Will the 2019 Mac Pro be powered by an Apple ARM-based chip?

“Apple’s new Mac Pro won’t arrive until 2019, the company now confirms,” Carl Velasco writes for Tech Times.

“It’s possible the new Mac Pro could be the first Apple computer to come with an ARM-based processor,” Velasco writes, “Such a decision will confirm the company’s transition away from Intel chips for its Macs, as reported recently.”

“It’s pretty unlikely, though. Apple is trying to repair the Mac Pro’s reputation to its target audience, most of which have been disappointed at Apple’s lackluster support for serious Pro users,” Velasco writes. “Putting an ARM-based processor on what’s supposed to be a huge comeback is a risk, and Apple is too calculating and careful to take that, especially when the stakes are high.”

Read more in the full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Putting an ARM-based processor in a Mac Pro isn’t as big of a risk as not bothering to release a new Mac Pro since 2013.

How many Mac Pro customers will be left by 2019 (December 31, 2019, most likely, this being Tim Cook’s Apple) and what gives the remaining Mac Pro customers any hope that Apple won’t abandon whatever they release for another five years or longer?

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37 Comments

    1. Putting an ARM instruction set based chip in the next Mac Pro (assuming the next Mac Pro ever shows up) would the the second stupidest thing Apple could do. (Just killing the Mac Pro all together would be *THE* stupidest thing.) — Remember Apple’s A-series chips are based upon the ARM instruction set that they license from ARM. Apple does not license the ARM chip designs from ARM like several other ARM chip manufacturers do.

      IF (an absolutely HUGE IF) software developers that generate software for true professionals were to write all new software based around the ARM instruction set it would take an absolute minimum of a year (and in many cases two or more years) after they had actual hardware upon which to test their early software builds before they shipped actual, robust applications to end users. Thus, IF Apple shipped an ARM based Mac Pro in mid to late 2019, Professionals likely would not have usable professional software until mid 2020 or later. What’s a Mac based professional to do in the meantime? Keep using that 2012 Mac Pro? (And realize that by 2020 Apple’s latest macOS at that time will very likely have dropped support for all Mac Pros prior to the 2013 trash can model and maybe even that model.)

      1. First of all, if you think the debut of an ARM based Mac Pro would be a surprise to Apple’s main 3rd party developers, you don’t follow Apple much. Apple would notify 3rd party software houses long before the switch is ever made final AND they would offer those developers the tools to start the migration.

        Second, developers do not base software around a specific ISA unless they’re writing that software in assembly language, which just does not happen much anymore.

        And finally, moving from one architecture to another would NOT take a year to do. Remember developers used to be able to target both PowerPC and Intel at the same time with no change to their code. In fact this happens now with iOS apps, they are compiled for Intel when run in the iOS emulator and compiled for ARM when run “on device”.

        Yes, you will not immediately be able to copy an application from an Intel based Mac to and ARM based Mac. The developer will have to recompile their application to target both ISA’s, before that will be possible.

        1. Just because the software developers “aren’t surprised” by something like ARM – – doesn’t mean that they’re going to drop everything else that they’re doing and RUSH to go update their Mac software.

          Case in point: 2008 update of Adobe Photoshop: CS4 was 64 bit for Windows, but not for Mac. Remember? And it isn’t like Adobe is a small developer.

          Rewrites take money. Follow the money. No money = no rewrite.

          The historical reality is that for all of the pieces of an advanced workflow to be rewritten … and debugged … expect for it to take (at least) the better part of two (2) years before it is solid and resulting in positive value-added…

          …and for some workflows, the reality is “NEVER”, because some important cornerstone piece is no longer being actively updated by its developer, so the time frame until ARM conversion is “Never”. That’s why we sometimes will still see Macs running OS 9 (yes, pre-OS X) on a workfloor – – personally, I’m aware of one vendor of mine who, as of my last visit two years ago, still had it plugging away on an old G5 PowerMac. Can it be replaced? Not with OS X or Windows, and since it is the controller/interface hooked up to a piece of specialty equipment, every day that it keeps on running is another week that they don’t need to find $2M in their budget to replace that specialty equipment. Needless to say, they’ve bought up some old G5’s off of eBay/etc.

          1. You are talking about some VERY specific cases, that regardless of what happens, that software will remain as it is – stuck on the system it was designed to run on. Should Apple have stuck with PowerPC just so that one person could continue running his software on modern hardware? No. That’s ridiculous to expect and doesn’t have any point in this conversation.

            Also, Adobe had a long history (and probably still do) of not using Apple’s developers tools, so they’ve always had problems migrating from one system to another – even from one version of the OS to another.

            Steve Jobs hated the fact that 3rd party software could keep Mac users from updating their systems. That was the main reason for originally pushing developers to move to Xcode.

            So, as I stated above… almost all Mac software written today will have absolutely no problem moving from Intel to ARM.

            1. “You are talking about some VERY specific cases,..”

              No, I’m merely relating one specific example anecdote: the point remains (as you point out) that software is a key factor that holds back updating of systems.

              Because no one buys a PC/Mac just to watch an OS run a screen saver.

              The value-added is the productivity enhancement from software applications working on data. And when Adobe (or any other”800lb Software Gorilla”) wants to do things their way, they do things their way.

              Finally, I do not dispute that “almost all” software will have no problem moving from Intel to ARM, if your definition of ‘problem’ is centered around the technology. However, that doesn’t pay for the conversion work, so the software which actually does get rewritten is a subset of that which *can* get rewritten, and the software that didn’t change anything at all (including all data formats) is a subset of that, and the software which then gets bought by customers is yet another subset of that, and so on.

              The net result is a lot of non-converting customers running on older legacy systems, resulting in customer market fragmentation risks, many of which will avert to Windows on their own schedule, rather than the ones being imposed on them by Apple & a plethora of 3rd Party software updating vendors.

              Overall, this is why a major conversion like this has to be carefully considered, with the primary objective being the question of what makes this change COMPELLING for the _customer_ to want it?

              And heed well that I said customer: changes like this need to be a “customer pull”, not a “Supplier push” (same as a “technology push”).

              To this end, just what is _compelling_ about an ARM conversion to a Mac Pro customer? Is it going to slash the cost of (hardware+software) by 33% per seat? No, it literally can’t. Is it going to result in 25% more productivity? No, not that either.

              Until there’s a good answer that, the customer has no reason to buy.

  1. I will never understand, why they did not simply take the old cheese grater Mac Pro case with new motherboard, processors, graphic cards. I am still running half a dozen of these fine machines from 2010 in my company, with updated graphic card, more RAM, and SSD. Still one of the best Macs ever, if not the best.

    1. Me too. I refused the trash can version and knew the design was a dead end. I am a pro user using a 2012 Cheese Grater Mac Pro upgraded to the max. The perfect design for a pro computer at its inception, it is still a viable design for now. It is slower than I need, but with PCI disks and SSD’s, the cheese grater performs admirably… especially for music.

  2. Apple needs to kill this rumour NOW, if they are in fact remaining with Intel for the next Mac Pro. After 5 years in the dark, that’s the *absolute least* they can do for the pros they claim to care about, yet still deny them new hardware for close to *2 years* after announcing they’d get a “modular” Mac Pro (announced early April 2017, earliest release Jan 2019 would be 20 months).

    Otherwise, I wouldn’t blame pros one bit for moving away from Apple. They deserve a lot better than the years of contempt and now bare scraps of info that are being tossed their way.

  3. That’s a point I also brought up. If we are in a transition period why would anyone spend upwards of $10,000 on a Mac Pro only to find themselves shortly thereafter left out in the cold by an architecture change and all that implies?

    It keeps coming back to a Windows/Linux solution that we know will be stable for some time to come. Pros love stable! Apple is really putting their pro users in a choice/expense quandary and it’s only going to be getting stickier.

  4. Dead on arrival if they do this. OBVIOUSLY they would start with the consumer products in the transition and leave the Pro apps and hardware for last. Pros are already scared of Apple commitment to them, the last thing they would want is a move to unproven chips and the wait and issues with the pro apps recompiling to a non-intel architecture. Not happening.

    1. I agree, Tom, that a Mac Pro based on ARM processors would be a big risk for Apple.

      The scenario that you outlined of introducing A-series SOCs on a lower-end consumer Mac as a pathfinder – perhaps the MacBook or the Mac mini – is consistent with Apple’s general approach on new technology introductions. I have been promoting that scenario for years, and I believe the the A11/A11X is the ideal starting point for that process. Based on the success of that effort combined with advancements in A-series performance in subsequent generations, Apple would then expand its ARM-based offerings upwards through the Mac lineup. The processing and graphics performance of Apple’s A-series processors has improved rapidly since 2007, and the A11 is the performance ballpark of mainstream Intel processors used in consumer-grade computers.

      1. ARM chips are not equal to Intel’s x86 chips in total performance.

        When you talk about pro computing, chip energy efficiency takes a backseat to many other factors. A chips aren’t the answer even if the changeover OS costs were ignored.

    2. One of the questions that I have had some time is, “Is the A-series SOC designed to enable interconnection of an array of SOCs for massively parallel computing?”

      The A11 is a hex-core SOC – two high-performance cores and four high-efficiency cores. But can you place multiple A11 SOCs on a motherboard and have them work together to form a more powerful parallel computing platform? I ask this because my recollection is that the old PPC G4 processor was designed for that type of application, while the PPC G3 was not. So, the question arises – can you gang together an array of A11 SOCs, or will Apple need to evolve its A-series SOC architecture to enable a massively parallel configuration. The performance expected in a Mac Pro would require an array of A11 SOCs.

  5. Lets look at some known factors –

    1) Apple now has a bunch of top quality professionals ( musicians, video editors and artists ) working in their Pro Workflows Group.

    2) The Pro Workflow Group are liaising closely with Apple’s hardware and software designers.

    3) Most users of FCP or Logic use it on pretty high powered Macs, such as the Mac Pro.

    4) The next Mac Pro is known to be at least a year away.

    My hunch is that Apple is planning to come up with a tightly integrated solution which is so compelling that it will leave everything else in the dust. If they decide that these systems are principally to be used with software written for Macs, then the argument for using Apple designed ARM processors becomes much stronger – especially if they adopt a blade approach where users can plug in as many boards as they feel are appropriate.

    Not much has been written about the Pro Workflow Group so far, but I’d love to know if any PixelMator developers are involved. A seriously beefed up PixelMator Pro, designed solely for ARM Macs could shake things up even more than doing it for Logic and FCP.

    I’ve yet to see any hint about graphics development, but it’s no secret that Apple is not impressed with the way that Adobe currently operates and generally speaking, when Apple doesn’t like something, they come up with an alternative.

    Apple is clearly taking time to produce the next Mac Pro. I hope that they are going to make it worth the wait and there are some hints suggesting that something amazing could be on the way.

    1. I fear you are right. In Apple’s close-knit world the only “professional” work they envision is producing graphics for the next album cover or post-production of the latest rap video.

      Apple seems content to ignore the other 98% of professional applications.

    2. An interesting take….

      But … isn’t a “tightly integrated solution” pretty much the definition of the 2013 Trash Can?

      After all, it was reported to have been great for FCPX … but where that all fell apart was that it wasn’t necessarily all that great for any other Pro’s workflow/needs.

      Similarly, while its good to hear that they’ve pulled in Video & Music – – there are other Pro venues that are going unmentioned.

  6. If they are going this direction there better be an announcement at WWDC in June. Otherwise, every professional app, except maybe Apple’s own, will not be able to run natively on this machine. You would be taking huge performance losses running a Rosetta style emulation layer on an ARM Mac Pro until everything is written to run natively. Apple better have really good developer tools ready to hand out if they want the machine to be a success.

    1. Because Apple knows that the new MacPro better be perfect on all levels, I strongly suspect that it brought on its development board the CEOs of all of the pro software so that the MacPro, when it’s released, would already have the updated software that real pros want and need. A boondoggle follows should it not have this in development already.

      1. Apple’s recent history says it will deliver a less than perfect product (assuming it will actually deliver).
        Mark my words: If and when Apple actually delivers a new Mac Pro, it will use a processor that has been available in Dell and HP machines for nine months. Apple is so far behind the ball, it isn’t even funny.

  7. If they are going this direction there better be an announcement at WWDC in June. Otherwise, every professional app, except maybe Apple’s own, will not be able to run natively on this machine. You would be taking huge performance losses running a Rosetta style emulation layer on an ARM Mac Pro until everything is written to run natively. Apple better have really good developer tools ready to hand out if they want the machine to be a success.

  8. I still think they should make it the most upgradeable thing on the market. Make a beautiful box (even a good sized cube (in honor of Steve Jobs), that not only will hold expansion cards, but also allow for the swapping out of the motherboard with processor, etc. Then, it won’t matter if there is no new box design for a while, and the Pros will be able to upgrade to their heart’s content. I am sure this would require some engineering prowess, but nothing beyond Apple’s reach.

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