Ming-Chi Kuo: Apple A-series Macs coming in 2020 or 2021, Apple Car in 2023-2025

“In a note to investors seen by AppleInsider, Ming-Chi Kuo of TF Securities expects that TSMC will continue to be the sole supplier for both the ‘A13’ in 2019 and ‘A14’ in 2020,” Mike Wuerthele reports for AppleInsider. “Kuo also predicts that Mac models will adopt Apple’s A-series processor in some form starting 2020 or 2021.”

“The shift to ARM in the Mac has been predicted for some time,” Wuerthele reports. “The shift won’t be immediate, and will likely start on Apple’s low-end, like the MacBook and possibly a Mac mini migration.”

Wuerthele reports, “Kuo also believes that Apple’s advanced driver assistance systems in a still-evolving Apple Car project will get a TSMC chip at launch at some point between 2023 and 2025, with it supporting either high automation of driver’s tasks, or complete automation, including navigation and driving.”

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MacDailyNews Take: Hopefully, we’ll see Macs powered by Apple A-series processors sooner than later!

As we wrote back in January 2015:

There is no reason why Apple could not offer both A-series-powered Macs and Intel-based Macs. The two are not mutually exclusive…

iOS devices and OS X Macs inevitably are going to grow closer over time, not just in hardware, but in software, too:

Think code convergence (more so than today) with UI modifications per device. A unified underlying codebase for Intel, Apple A-series, and, in Apple’s labs, likely other chips, too (just in case). This would allow for a single App Store for Mac, iPhone, and iPad users that features a mix of apps: Some that are touch-only, some that are Mac-only, and some that are universal (can run on both traditional notebooks and desktops as well as on multi-touch computers like iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, and – pretty please, Apple – Apple TV). Don’t be surprised to see Apple A-series-powered Macs, either.MacDailyNews Take, January 9, 2014

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  1. How will that work with software written for Intel CPU’s? Apple software will be automatic. But will 3rd party software companies need to be talked into it again? I still remember Adobe kicking and screaming . . . for years!
    I’m not against the move, I’d just like to know how it will work.

    1. Yes and developers will love having to support both ARM and Intel versions of their software. Then there’s always an emulator approach like Rosetta to slow things down for you waiting years for stuff to port over to native ARM code.

    2. Well, Adobe, IS the company that just announced the “Full” Photoshop was coming to the iPad, an ARM architecture, next year. AND we know that there’s a lot of effort to release tools that allow developers to port easily to macOS. It’s almost the sort of thing you’d EXPECT a developer to announce.

      1. Point to me one “Full” iOS app that can do all the things that the previous generation(s) Mac or Windows app cannot do faster and more efficiently. We’ll wait.

        I will concede that finger painting is cheaper on an iPad than on a Wacom. Too bad you need to rely on iCloud or 3rd party kludges to share or collaborate with the files you create in iOS, and are locked into a single app to open those files.

        1. “We’ll wait.”
          Yes. Until 2019. For the company that says they’re going to do it, to do it. 🙂

          “Locked to a single app”
          Not sure what you’re getting at, any app that can open images on iOS can open all the images shared by any app to Photos. If you use Pixelmator, though, and save a Pixelmator file, then, yes, you’ll have to have Pixelmator to open it. But that’s true regardless of what file system you use.

    3. I would expect Xcode to take care of it. You choose the appropriate processor target and tell it to compile. Or, as in the past, Apple will likely provide a fat binary option that contains both x86 and A-series code.

      Based on what I have read and heard, I do not think that this is necessarily a big deal.

  2. Who gives a flying fudge about ARM chips in a Mac? How is that an exciting feature to get all that hot and bothered over? Seems more like a move that’s more to Apple’s advantage not being beholden to Intel and not so much consumers except maybe a little more battery life.

    How about decent made current desktop pro Macs with current powerful Intel chips instead? You know like in a Mac Mini or Mac Pro? Show us you’re not just all talk but little to no action Apple.

    1. I care. I happen to think that the transition of Macs to A-series SoCs is very important to Apple long term. Power efficiency. Performance. Control over the core technologies – both processor and graphics.

      Just because you don’t think that it is important doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Intel multi-core processors, such as employed in the iMac Pro, are not all that exciting right now – lot of power, lot of heat, and the processing power is not extraordinary. What if Apple could substitute 64 or 128 A-series SoCs for the same or less power as the 22-core Xeon and kick its butt in terms of performance? Would you give a “flying fudge” about that?

      This forum is pretty worthless nowadays…

      1. That’s all well and good but how soon will it take for all of that to happen? On top of that using ARM chips precludes the ability to run Windows for pros and problem of waiting for software to be natively written for the new hardware. So sorry if I’m not as excited by this development as you might be. I need a kickass machine and right now that’s decidedly not an ARM machine. Nor will it be for years to come. I’m a realist and have work to get done NOW.

        I don’t see any flying fudge from Apple anytime soon that doesn’t actually come oozing out from their backsides.

  3. I’m not looking forward to an Arm powered Mac. I would have preferred if they made a play to acquire AMD. They could have gained control of the entire widget that way…

    1. I read that AMD is super beholden to Intel for its IP so, if true, Apple will simply become beholden to Intel just like AMD. I think that Apple wants ownership rather than mere control.

  4. On the car Apple is waiting just like Toyota for the tech to be good enough. Solid state batteries could offer five times the range of current electric cars. EVs are also likely to come in smaller and more varied form factors. The smart money won’t go all in on EVs for at least another five years. Watch Toyota. They’re very very smart.

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