President Trump’s comments regarding U.S. factories ratchets up the pressure on Apple

“Pressed by President Donald Trump, Apple Inc. suddenly faces new pressure to build factories in the U.S., something it hasn’t done for years and has shown no signs of wanting to do,” Tripp Mickle reports for The Wall Street Journal. “Mr. Trump’s statement that Apple plans to build three big plants in the U.S. has rekindled scrutiny of the company’s policy of outsourcing of almost all of its manufacturing to contractor factories overseas—mainly in China. Mr. Trump had needled the iPhone maker over that issue during the 2016 presidential campaign. He had said little about it publicly since taking office, however, until an interview Tuesday with The Wall Street Journal, in which he said Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook had told him the company planned to build the plants in the U.S.”

“The pressure threatened to grow on Apple with the announcement Wednesday by the head of Foxconn Technology Group, Apple’s largest contract manufacturer, that it plans to invest $10 billion in a display-panel factory in Wisconsin. Foxconn made the announcement at a White House ceremony with Mr. Trump. A senior White House official told reporters the plant wasn’t among the three potential Apple facilities to which the president had referred,” Mickle reports. “The episode is the latest example of the complex relations between the White House, which is pushing to rebuild U.S. manufacturing, and corporate America, which for years has been adding more jobs overseas.”

“Apple today has only one plant of its own—in Cork, Ireland,” Mickle reports. “Its contract manufacturers operate two small U.S. plants, in Austin, Texas and Fremont, Calif. Those facilities have never grown beyond their narrow role making Apple’s Mac Pro computer, a niche product that sells for $3,000 or more.”

MacDailyNews Take: And which, at this point, sells in the tens of units per week. There’s a lot of free time for whoever’s left at the Austin Mac Pro factory, let’s just say.

“Mr. Cook, who is as reserved and tight-lipped as the president is freewheeling and outspoken, has sought to engage the administration on manufacturing and other issues. He met privately with Mr. Trump in December and dined in January with administration advisers Ivanka Trump the president’s daughter, and Jared Kushner, his son-in-law,” Mickle reports. “Apple announced a $1 billion fund in May to put money into advanced manufacturing in the U.S. It later invested $200 million in a Corning Inc. glass-making plant in Harrodsburg, Ky. ”

Read more in the full article here.

MacDailyNews Take:

Pressure pushing down on me
Pressing down on you, no man ask for
Under pressure that burns a building down
Splits a family in two
Puts people on streets

It’s the terror of knowing
What this world is about
Watching some good friends
Screaming, “Let me out!”
Tomorrow gets me higher
Pressure on people – people on streets

Chippin’ around, kick my brains ’round the floor
These are the days – it never rains but it pours
People on streets – people on streets

It’s the terror of knowing
What this world is about
Watching some good friends
Screaming, “Let me out!”
Tomorrow gets me higher, higher, higher…
Pressure on people – people on streets

Turned away from it all like a blind man
Sat on a fence but it don’t work
Keep coming up with love but it’s so slashed and torn
Why, why, why?

Love

Insanity laughs under pressure we’re cracking
Can’t we give ourselves one more chance?
Why can’t we give love that one more chance?
Why can’t we give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love, give love?..

‘Cause love’s such an old-fashioned word
And love dares you to care for
The people on the edge of the night
And love dares you to change our way of
Caring about ourselves
This is our last dance
This is our last dance
This is ourselves
Under pressure
Under pressure
Pressure

— David Bowie, Frederick Mercury, Roger Meddows Taylor, Brian Harold May, and John Richard Deacon

SEE ALSO:
President Trump announces Apple supplier Foxconn’s $10 billion investment in Wisconsin and up to 13,000 jobs – July 27, 2017
President Trump to announce Apple-supplier Foxconn manufacturing plant in Wisconsin today at 5pm EDT – July 26, 2017
Apple supplier Foxconn nearing decision to build plant in Wisconsin to produce display panels – July 25, 2017
Made in America iPhones, after all? Apple supplier Foxconn considering iPhone plant in Wisconsin – June 15, 2017
China Premier Li visits Apple supplier Foxconn after CEO’s meeting with President Trump – May 10, 2017
Apple’s top manufacturing partner to meet with U.S. President Trump today – April 27, 2017
Apple could help Westinghouse in completing new nuclear plants – April 17, 2017
Apple may bid for big stake in Toshiba – April 17, 2017
Apple supplier Sharp may begin building $7 billion U.S. plant in within months as Japan PM meets President Trump – February 8, 2017
Foxconn-Sharp considering LCD plant in USA, plans in response to President-elect Trump’s ‘Make in America’ call – January 13, 2017
With President Trump soon to take office, Apple looks to boost its ‘Made in America’ credentials – January 10, 2017
Make America Insanely Great Again: Apple seeks to expand Made in USA manufacturing – January 9, 2017
Apple invests $1 billion in SoftBank’s massive tech fund; may help company get in President Trump’s good graces – January 4, 2017
Apple in talks to invest $1 billion in SoftBank tech fund – December 13, 2016
Softbank to invest $50 billion in the U.S., create 50,000 new tech jobs after meeting with President-elect Trump – and Apple supplier Foxconn is in on the deal – December 6, 2016
President-elect Trump invites tech leaders to roundtable in Manhattan next week – December 6, 2016
President-elect Trump tells Apple CEO Tim Cook that he’d like to see Apple make products in the U.S. – November 23, 2016
President-elect Trump says Apple CEO Tim Cook called him after election victory – November 22, 2016
Apple could make iPhones in the U.S.A. under President Trump, sources say – November 17, 2016
Japan’s Softbank just became one of Apple’s most important suppliers – July 18, 2016

78 Comments

    1. Drumpf the subsidizer.

      FoxConn is getting $3 Billion in subsidies that would be $231,000 per Scott Walker, Paul Ryan and Donald J Trump private sector manufacturing job that pays a fraction of that. That would be crony capitalism or corporate welfare or both.

      https://9to5mac.com/2017/07/28/wisconsins-3b-in-subsidies-for-foxconn-plant-will-cost-at-least-231k-per-job/?pushup=1

      It would be cheaper to just hand out the money and keep importing FoxConn stuff from China.

      This must be that winning that Trump keeps talking about.

      1. So, in other words: The jobs would be paid for in year five. Beyond 60 months, it’s gravy. Also figure in income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, local business growth (restaurants, stores, etc.) which also pay taxes, etc., etc., etc.

        Anyone with a brain, who can think beyond the next ten seconds, understands that this is a smart deal by the master of The Art of the Deal.

        1. Only on the assumption that subsidies would not continue.
          I’m also very interested in what the employment situation is going to be like. The Chinese are famous for importing their own workers who are essentially slave labor (research the issues in Nassau Bahamas with the Baha Mar hotel).

      2. The hypothesis being tossed around the news today is that IF Foxconn actually does put a plant in Paul Ryan’s constituency, it would be considerably AUTOMATED, IOW robots. The 15,000, or is it 13,000 jobs quote was pulled out of the usual Trumpian orifice.

        And meanwhile, this headline from this past week:
        Foxconn: Not ready to announce US expansion

        But The Trump announced it anyway.

    1. Theoretically, robots could be cheaper than Chinese after the initial investment. That’s what I’m afraid we’re going to see. And how are the various Tea/Alt/Neo/Trumpian Republicans going to respond to cheap labor inside the USA in the form of automation? A Ne0-LuDDite Revolt?

      Yes kid, that story of robots making our lives easier where they do all the work and we laze around eating skinless grapes was a HOAX. Think about who’ll really be racking in the cash. It won’t be the unemployed. A new dilemma for our modern age.

      1. Respected social scientists are advocating a guaranteed income for workers displaced by robots, financed by corporations who will wind up with most of the money. (Conservative bare-bones governments won’t have any to spare.) It’s either that or seek a way to dispose of a billion useless citizens before they revolt, studies say. We’ve previewed all the consequences in a generation’s worth of dystopian movies and books. Now it’s no longer science fiction, but social policy in the making, or non-making, as our elected representatives dither in the face of existential threats.

        1. It’s either that or seek a way to dispose of a billion useless citizens before they revolt

          The day the robots are programmed to kill off the pointless peasantry. Who needs them. The new peasants are programmed machinery. As long as their ‘AI’ is limited, they never revolt. – Oh except darn, there’s that code we used to make them kill the meat peasantry. Better destroy and outlaw that!

          …as our elected representatives dither in the face of existential threats

          Bravo! You beat me to it.

          I call this currently developing period in human history the Age of Trivia. We might as well call it the Age of Dithering.

          We’ve killed off the world’s coral reefs already! Hello in there humanity! Anybody home?! Take notice! The future generations already hate us for the damage we’ve done! How about we grow up and solve our REAL problems! Hello?!!!

  1. Apple should just start building more solar power plants around the U.S. They might be able use the energy plants to help power their own needs and sell the rest. It won’t be a money maker but it might help states meet their needs. Ohio, for example, is getting ready to build three solar power plants, why not make them Apple sites? (This idea may make no economic sense, so take it for what it is worth.) However, building three large manufacturing plants in the U.S. may not make good economic sense either.

    Build something – anything shiny – to distract the idiot king. Maybe it will distract him long enough he won’t interfere too much with Apple’s long range plans.

    The president is dangerous and, for its own good, Apple needs to stay far away from him.

    1. You are correct.

      History making U.S. president is dangerous to liberal dogma, political correctness, government waste, social spending minus accountability, outsourcing, globalism, terrorists, illegal aliens, MS 13 gangs, et al. …

      1. It’s true. Trump upset apple-carts that have been in place illegally, or annoyingly, or improperly, for a long time. The Washington establishment seems incapable of accommodating him, even when they share his party label. The establishment are still beholden to their constituents and special interest groups more than to party affiliation, or to grand noble aspirations. Ronald Reagan himself ran afoul of this accursed American political system, God bless it.

        1. Agree with your post.

          This stood out:

          “The establishment are still beholden to their constituents and special interest groups more than to party affiliation, or to grand noble aspirations.”

          Yes, they are beholden first and foremost to where the money is. And the people our elected representatives are hired to represent, sadly, fall by the wayside …

        2. GoeB, I think you may have missed a major point in civics class (and in Herself’s ironic post): we elect representatives to Congress precisely to represent their constituents. We do not send them there to support The Party or some abstract ideology. They are supposed to be “beholden to their constituents.” Those are the people who elected them, pay their salaries, and expect service in return for their votes.

          Elected officials who forget constituent service in favor of supporting the party line get ahead in dictatorships, but they rightfully get run out of office in America. Similarly with officials who do not respect the pattern of checks and balances established by the US Constitution because they are more concerned with furthering a personal ideology of “grand noble aspirations.”

          President Reagan was at his best when he was serving the aspirations of his constituents and at his worst when he let ideological notions like “voodoo economics” get in the way of sound public policy.

          1. I’m GoeB and not you. I don’t appreciate the false masquerade.

            Civics was one of the my strongest subjects. Know full well the way it is supposed to work and as I point out, the way it has been corrupted where the voice of the people take a back seat to special interests ..,

  2. Drumpf lost big time last night with his Repeal and Replace TrumpCare. It is finished and America has seen Trump, McConnell and Ryan for the frauds that they are. I am sure knowledge of that has the Apple Board quaking in their boots.

    Trump’s go to is a Samsung Galaxy- his staff tweets from a government iPhone. That is verified. So why anyone at Apple would give a flying fuck at a rolling donut what Agent Orange thinks is beyond comprehension.

    If the little GOP Snowflakes haven’t melted now that TrumpCare is now a burning heap of dog shit, tell them they are free to go buy a Samsung Galaxy like their leader. That is the truth of the matter.

    1. “It ain’t over till it’s over.” – Yogi Berra

      Traitor John McCain will not stop the will of the people and it damned sure won’t stop Donald J. Trump…he will get ‘er done.

          1. What kind of simpleton doesn’t realize that every president since the inception of the country has been elected through the Electoral College? …hmm, well, I guess that simpleton would be, uh…wait for it….here it comes…

            YOU.

            1. Why isn’t Trump satisfied with that??

              Trump’s bizarre claims that he somehow won the popular vote if you discount “five million votes” from unqualified voters is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is his egomaniac nature that compels him to make such stupid assertions and “fake news” claims.

              And then you jump in with the same “phony down votes” claim that you have made a number of times. Honestly, why do you even care enough to keep responding? You claim that the rest of us are beneath your almighty notice, but you sure do care a lot.

              Indeed, you and Trump are birds of a mentally diseased feather.

            2. The Trump is a bone fide narcissist. His mirrored brain can’t accept not winning at everything. If a convenient lie solves his internal cognitive dissonance, then easily concocted.

              Yes kids, narcissism is a form of mental illness. It’s not a useful trait for a leader, certainly IMHO. It’s a trait of totalitarians. Not good.

            3. Elections are not pure as the driven snow.

              Every year illegals vote. Dead people vote. People vote more than once. That’s a fact.

              How many exactly is unknown because voting is not monitored as tightly as income taxes …

            4. The feds don’t monitor voting as the entire process is run by individual states. According to more than a few states, they do tightly monitor voting.

              We know the current scrutiny is due to The Trump attempting to change facts to alternative ‘facts’. But it can’t hurt to legally scrutinize how well each state monitors its voting.

              Meanwhile, attempting to dig up 3 million illegal votes is, I dare say, HiLLaRiouS! Not gonna happen. Gonna end in embarrassment. The Trump ain’t gonna be happy. Time for another diversionary tactic…

            5. “The feds don’t monitor voting as the entire process is run by individual states.”

              Exactly right! And that is the problem. Our most sacred duty as citizens every November is left wide open to varying laws state by state, antiquated voting machines, voting methods from numyber 2 pencils, to punching chads to touchscreen computers. Hand counts, computer counts — it is all a COLOSSAL mess.

              As much as I disdain the IRS, the voting in the U.S. should require the same national intensive scrutiny as your tax return.

              “We know the current scrutiny is due to The Trump attempting to change facts to alternative ‘facts’. But it can’t hurt to legally scrutinize how well each state monitors its voting.”

              A resounding NO! President Trump is trying to find the facts to ILLEGAL VOTING, sheesh.

              “Meanwhile, attempting to dig up 3 million illegal votes is, I dare say, HiLLaRiouS!”

              Maybe that is his motivation, maybe not. He won for chrissake. That said, I see it as an attempt to uncover ILLEGAL VOTING METHODS that have allowed dead people, illegals, and multiple votes from the same person to vote across state lines. ALL illegal and goes against the core of the republic.

              Funny how the Democratic Party NEVER has a problem with it … 🤔

            6. We know The Trump’s motivation. The guy’s narcissism dictates his behavior.

              As for state’s rights, such as voting, have fun changing them. Remember the Civil War?

              I remember in some detail the mess many states made of voting in recent decades. Chads! What a joke. Diebolt voting machines any granny could rig within a minute. Catastrophic shite tech! Russia digging around trying find more methods of rigging votes! Ongoing. I read last week about some state falling into a techno-pit of voting device insecurity which they have to clean up by November. (Not motivated to look it up). So yes, potential messes have been very real. Did they happen? It’s worth knowing.

              But have the FEDS dictate how voting is carried out? No way! If they f*ck it up, the entire nation suffers. Pull a Putin! Dictated voting results. No thanks. States will kill to stop that crap.

              As for the DemoCraps, they want MORE people to vote. ReTardlicans want LESS people to vote. Note the consistent behavior through US history. In this situation it’s consistently ReTardlicans attempting to CHEAT the system because they LOSE if they don’t cheat. The old treachery motivation.

              And no one attempt to throw 1 dimensional politics at me please. I have no respect for the Democrats OR Republicans. Both are stinking corrupt and NOT representative of We The People. IOW: Two FAIL parties.

              Look to third parties for actual representation, those that don’t merely represent $MONEY$.

            7. Oh, and Obama grande narcissism did not dictate his motives? And the sycophant Hollywood stars and media fawned over every minute detail along with the magazine covers for eight years. But that’s not what I’m talking about.

              As for state’s rights, I guess that all depends on the issue. When western states would not lower the no speed limits, or was it the alcohol limits, the Feds threatened to withhold highway funding. It worked.

              I respect state rights. But there should be a way to construct the best uniform voting methods using technology and apply nationwide. Voting for President is a federal responsibility, not a state responsibility.

              “But have the FEDS dictate how voting is carried out? No way!”

              No way? How is the Affordable cough, cough, Care Act working out?

              “As for the DemoCraps, they want MORE people to vote.” And if they are dead, illegal or vote several times in several states (common double dipping welfare practice), that’s OK with you?

              “ReTardlicans want LESS people to vote.” ABSOLUTE 🐂💩!!!

              it’s consistently DemoCraps attempting to CHEAT the system because they LOSE if they don’t cheat. There, I fixed it for you! 😆

              I’ve seen money given to bums and illegals (sanctuary Democratic cities) and printed instructions outside the polls to pull the All Democrat lever. You have it completely backwards which is astonishing. Also, if I remember correctly, when Obama ran for a second term was it six or eight precincts in the city of Philadelphia, a dominant Democratic town in a blue state (Democrat national convention 2016), voted 100% for Obama. Where was CNN’s Tapper or Wolfie with their 24/7 coverage? Oh forgive me, no bother CNN we are not talking about a Republican big city, so I understand the crickets.

              Ok, so we don’t see eye to eye on this issue, that’s fine DC. But if the Feds can mandate healthcare regs, voting should be a walk in the park …

            8. Hollyweird. √ Point taken.

              How is the Affordable cough, cough, Care Act working out?

              I’m not gonna defend that mess. It attempted to offer state’s rights but with fines and incentives, blahblahbarf.

              it’s consistently DemoCraps attempting to CHEAT the system because they LOSE if they don’t cheat.

              On some issues, total agreement! Two corrupt and worthless parties. But regarding voting, you still have it backwards. There remains no evidence of DemoCraps rigging elections in their favor, whereas all of the attempted state restrictions on voting have been ReTardlican. All. Keep out the poor voters. Keep out the blacks. Keep out the hispanics. Ad nauseam. Why? The vote Democrat by a wide margin. This is easy stuff to comprehend with piles of affirming data. So I see no point of arguing the subject.

              ’ve seen money given to bums and illegals (sanctuary Democratic cities) and printed instructions outside the polls to pull the All Democrat lever.

              YOU saw that? It’s not just yet-another-propaganda-talking-point pulled out of some dark orifice? If this is for realz, I can see your point. Throwing that kind of crap out of voting is fine with me!

              Where was CNN’s…

              Ask them. I don’t watch their news if I can help it. Neither do I, I note, watch FoxNews.

              The healthcare thing is a tough one. I have relatives in the UK and in Canada who have plenty of complaints about their systems. My MD uncle in the UK was particularly contentious about their system and preferred the quality of care in the USA. This was decades ago.

              The core problem that prompted the ACA (‘Obamacare’) was the onslaught of poor and indigent people flooding hospital emergency rooms, causing hundreds of hospitals to go bankrupt and close down. I recall actual crimes on the part of some hospitals to divert said people out of town to other hospitals, an inexplicable last resort.

              Did the Republicans even remotely address that core, prompting issue over the last several months and years? NOT AT ALL. That’s irresponsible. They want hospitals to fail? That’s stupid. I have no respect for their so-called ‘healthcare’ bills. I call Paul Ryan an outright psychopath for his loving words and damning actions of hatred toward the poor and indigent and therefore hospital emergency services. Sick stuff.

            9. Lion share of your detailed response, thanks, I agree. Just a couple of exceptions:

              “There remains no evidence of DemoCraps rigging elections in their favor, whereas all of the attempted state restrictions on voting have been ReTardlican. All. Keep out the poor voters. Keep out the blacks. Keep out the hispanics. Ad nauseam.”

              Well, where is your evidence that Republicans are denying the vote to all the Democrat identity groups? I’ll save you the trouble — NONE.

              Quite the opposite. Trump during the campaign made extra efforts to reach out to these groups. Guessed you missed his famous campaign line courting minority voters, “what have you got to lose?” And I recall some of these groups he improved voting numbers over several previous Republican candidates.

              But if you are referring to voter ID laws which I support 1000% along with enforcing immigration laws, as a means to deny people the right to vote is simply, UNTRUE. A total canard manufactured by the Democratic Party and irresponsibly reported in the media to favor the same.

              “YOU saw that? It’s not just yet-another-propaganda-talking-point pulled out of some dark orifice? If this is for realz, I can see your point. Throwing that kind of crap out of voting is fine with me!”

              Good to see you agree. But I’ve seen more. Like busing people to show up at polls after a WAM stipend (walking around money). That would be cash.

              Another example is Hispanic activists at the entrance to my polling place in the middle of the city handing out slick glossy instruction cards on how to vote STRAIGHT DEMOCRAT on Election Day during Obama’s first run.

              The slick design was complete with pictures of Democrat candidates, names, etc. and an offer of assistance if you did not understand. Printed in Spanish on one side and English on the flip side and laminated in full color. I scanned the card, still retained it in my personal files, and sent it to my local newspaper editor and nothing came of it. In my area where the voting registration is 3-1 Dems, gee, what a surprise.

              Lastly, the most egregious example I have personally witnessed was 10 minutes before closing the county voting office where I live on the last day of accepting new voter registration forms.

              This giant slob of a guy with ripped clothes, smelled like a sewer, unkept mangled long grey hair comes into the office and from his dirty backpack pulls out a stack of new voter registration forms over a foot thick. I overheard the liberal voting drive group he belonged to when asked by officials, but no need to mention it here.

              So you can probably guess I was standing behind him within earshot of the counter. Just so happens the director of the office is a good friend and I was there to take him out for beers after the office closed in mere minutes.

              I should not have to mention this PC identity crap 🐂💩, but for my liberal friends, he just happens to be a gay, white male lifelong registered Democrat. And a professional friend.

              To finish my long winded story, sorry, the slob asks the director for a pen. He says something like I need to fill in some things missing on these forms.

              Immediately, the director said “NO” and just leave the forms. Found out later well over 50% were invalidated.

              First person account true stories. What’s yours?

              Bottom line: I support President Trump’s efforts to examine voting irregularities and comfortable leaving the chips fall as they may … 🇺🇸

            10. Yikes, nightmare stories indeed. I entirely get your point and resent that 🐂💩.

              I’ll probably get walloped for this, but I liked what I heard yesterday about the RAISE 2 bill, supported by The Trump. It sorts out the importance of bringing talented, contributing immigrants into the USA. It’s been cringeworthy listening to arguments against it and I wonder what’s holding the bill back from succeeding in the Congress. As per usual, I’m not sticking to any stupid 1 dimensional political scale. I’m glad The Trump is supporting it.

            11. botvinnik posts:

              What kind of simpleton doesn’t realize that every president since the inception of the country has been elected through the Electoral College?

              Well, Gerald Ford comes to mind. Ford was appointed to the role of Vice President by Nixon to replace Spiro Agnew after he resigned. Then Nixon resigned and Ford became President.

              Hmmm…no Electoral College vote for Ford. Who is the simpleton now?!

              …hmm, well, I guess that simpleton would be, uh…wait for it….here it comes…

              YOU.

            12. Gerald Ford is the only person to have served as both Vice President and President of the United States without being elected to executive office.

            13. Besides Gerald Ford, eight other Vice Presidents took the office of President without being elected to that office. One could argue that they were part of the ticket that was chosen by the Electoral College, but they were not elected to the office of President.

              John Tyler (William Henry Harrison, died)
              Millard Filmore (Zachary Taylor, died)
              Andrew Johnson (Abraham Lincoln, assasinated)
              Chester Arthur (James Garfield, assasinated)
              Theodore Rosevelt (William McKinley, assasinated)
              Calvin Coolidge (Warren Harding, died)
              Harry Truman (FDR, died)
              Lyndon Johnson (JFK, asssasinated)

              You can hide hind that little twist of logic if you want. But you cannot explain Gerald Ford without lying. You lose (again).

            14. How does the congressionally-approved appointment of Ford as Agnew VP replacement conflict with the Electoral College process?

              nevermind, do not bother answering, I am finished teaching American Civics 101 to traitors.

            15. “What kind of simpleton doesn’t realize that every president since the inception of the country has been ELECTED through the Electoral College?”

              see the capitalized ELECTED, moron?…it doesn’t say appointed, or succession due to death, it says FUCKiNG ELECTED.

              goddamned idiots.

      1. Hey Botty, your boy got it shoved up his tukus. All your sarcasm and snarky crap lobbed at the fools who try to go toe to toe with you can’t change that. It was pure unadulterated humiliation and defeat. Trump better get used to it.

          1. you bet it is Ronnie, everyday that The Muslim Usurper is no longer president is wonderful! AND doubly wonderful that Felonia von Pantsuit is in the Chappaqua woods cracking open her second bottle of Chardonnay for the Day!

            good times.

    2. DavG: yep, the Repubs have aimlessly wandered to make progress with the repeal/replace. Personally, I’m not bothered by time spent if a truly good end is wrought. (From my conservative viewpoint, it’s not going to happen b/c our country now sees the Govt as the teat). But, all of this time, expense, and societal disruption is being caused by the ACA albatross, which is free of the R’s hand.

      1. This is the real world, not a game. Trump cannot seek and attain authority and then deny responsibility just because you fail to get something done.

        Besides, Trump and the GOP bear responsibility. First, they failed to help craft a better law seven years ago. Unlike the recent GOP secretive theatrics in which the Democrats (and most of the Republicans) were walled off from the action, the GOP was engaged seven years ago. But Republicans decided that attempting to poison and defund the ACA was preferable to helping to craft a better law.

        Furthermore, Trump has intentionally taken steps to weaken and destabilize the ACA – not enforcing the mandate, leaving insurers in the dark about subsidies and such. Clearly, Trump and the Congressional Republicans bear responsibility.

        Finally, Trump and the Republicans ranted for seven years about “Obamacare.” How many times did Trump and other Republicans view to “repeal and replace” with something better. After seven years, we discovered that the GOP did not have a plan! Not only that, but they are unable to create a plan that they can pass after months of effort and a majority in both the House and the Senate and a “Republican” President. And, even if the GOP had passed a plan, it would not have been better.

        Stop trying to “repeal and replace” so that you can enact massive tax cuts for the wealthy. Instead, work in a bipartisan manner to improve the ACA for the citizens of this country. This has become *your* health care albatross, GOP, and you seem incapable of dealing with it.

        1. Yes, the GOP is in charge NOW and the GOP IS RESPONSIBLE, but for WHAT?

          History reminder: After 22 months the ACA was passed by a veto proof Democrat majority WITHOUT a single Republican vote. DEMOCRATS OWN THE ACA MESS.

          “This has become *your* health care albatross, GOP, and you seem incapable of dealing with it.”

          I repeat, DEMOCRATS OWN THIS ALBATROSS MESS. Not the GOP. It is not working and the GOP has been elected to clean up this mess the Democrats started. Even smuck Schumer said several times on the Senate floor the bill he voted for has REAL problems.

          GOP: 0

          WASHINGTON SWAMP: 1

          It’s not over …

    3. The ONE Washington swamp Republican won this round.

      If you think for a nano second the president will shrink like a violet and melt like a snowflake in August, you don’t know jacksh*t …

      1. The political landscape of the last 18 months is riddled with corpses that underestimated Donald J. Trump and the will of the American people.

  3. Some pressure, LOL!

    I don’t reckon Tim Cook and his team really give a wet fart about what the silly Trump in the White House thinks or says.

    He only went there out of courtesy and curiosity because he was invited.

    One suspects Tim sees what goes on there is ‘topsy-turvey land’ — completely removed from the realities of Apples’ global business practicalities.

    Zero ‘pressure’ whatsoever.

  4. By the way, MDN, that song was terrible then — and it’s *still* terrible now.

    Printing the lyrics just shows us how bad it really was. Like how lame the WSJs’ asskisser hacks’ crappy article was.

    Forgive me if I don’t thank you this time.

  5. Mr. Trump’s statement that Apple plans to build three big plants in the U.S. . . .

    . . . Was as believable as anything else The Trump says. Apple will do what it thinks best, despite rhetorical fantasy mongering. I’d call the situation something entirely different from ‘pressure’. Perhaps a psychology therapist could explain.

    1. Magisteria is the art of bringing into being something by proclamation. In the age of Trump, that art is actively engaged as in no other since the middle ages, that being a time when one’s social prominence lent greater weight to one’s pronouncements. (Back in the middle ages, truth was understood very differently than it is by science and logic today; truth was conferred from on high.) In other words, truth is not absolute; it evolves according to the powers that be. And today, science and logic are being unranked in favour of conservative business principles.

      I make no moral judgments; it is what it is, another chapter in the adventures of humankind, the never-ending saga Magisteria Sapiens — a science-fiction series in which the winners write the history, and alternative truth is stamped out. Unless.. some book collector saved a banned volume of, say, Lucretius, which got unearthed and eventually undermined the world order by force of its disturbingly persuasive arguments… leading to the Enlightenment, and to the overthrow of European monarchy…

      1. In other words, truth is not absolute; it evolves according to the powers that be.

        That power can emanate from one’s Inner World or from some source in the Outer World. My usual self-quote: We never know everything about anything. IOW: Treat ‘truth’ with humbleness and skepticism.

        Meme time!

        it is what it is <- That's a modern meme.

        Another is the use of 'True' or 'Tru' in marketing jargon, as if the word 'true' signifies actual 'truth' at this time in western civilization. Nope. It's only marketing jargon!

        I continue to believe that mankind's worst enemy, that of course being an aspect of self, is what I call 'Deceptive Truth'. Beware anything calling itself 'absolute truth.' For we humans, there is no such thing. Count on it. There's always more to know.

        1. Absolute truth is not absolute?

          1 + 1 = 2. Water is made of three atoms: two hydrogen (H) atoms and one oxygen (O) atom. The sun rises in the East and sets in the West.

          Not sure what you mean …

          1. You misunderstand. I’ll attempt to illustrate.

            “1” is a symbol. It’s used in a symbolic system we humans created called ‘mathematics’. All language is symbolic. The word, the symbol, is not the thing. What is a “1” outside of our math language? If aliens land on Earth and we show them “1 + 1 = 2”, it will be entirely meaningless to them. They no doubt have their own math system, but what are the chances that it’s Base 10? We only use Base 10 because we have 10 fingers.

            Getting into what we call ‘matter’ is a huge black box of unknowns. What’s an atom? What’s a proton? We don’t know all about it. But we can play with what we simplistically call a ‘proton’ and see particular particulate behaviors.

            What is what I call ‘source’ energy? What is it? Why can’t it be created or destroyed? Is there a limit of how much there is in our universe? Is it still being emitted from whatever its source is? Why do we say only matter is susceptible to gravity when we know that photons are drawn into black holes? IOW: All energy has the property of gravity, but how many people will agree with that statement. Their ‘truth’ may remain that free energy has no gravity properties.

            IOW: Perception of the observer alters the outer world as it enters the inner world of our minds. Perspective, and interpretation, is everything.

            I like to use the word ‘fact’ to delineate what we find to be reliable, unfaltering (in our experience) information.

            I consider the word ‘truth’ to be too abstract to the point of being meaningless to we poor perceiver humans. We strive to know it. But there is always more going on than we can perceive. My self-quote: We never know everything about anything.

            Rely on what we ‘know’ to be factual. But expect there to be more. From my own point of view and experience, this keeps us humble and stops us from using nebulous ‘truth’ as an excuse to fight fellow humans who believe ‘truth’ to be something different from us.

            The core problem: We humans easily, readily, consistently kill one another over what we call ‘truth’ when in fact we don’t know ‘truth’ and can’t know ‘truth’. Killing one another over religious beliefs? Ultra-abstract meets ultra-abstract and uses its ultra-extract as an excuse for murder.

            Crazy apes we are.

            I could chatter for hours on this subject as it is at the core of my comprehension of humanity. But the above is my semantic smash splat for today. 😉

            1. Correct. Yes science and particularly Astronomy constantly evolve with new discoveries.

              But irrefutable facts do not change. My checking account has X amount of dollars. Donald J. Trump is president. Well, you get the drift …

            2. Yes. Thank you. I’ve ranted my points enough on this subject. We rely on what we know to be ‘true’ and use these things for our investigations and inventiveness. But count on their being more of which we have no understanding.

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