Apple TV: iFlop?

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  1. @ Eric

    “I just need to invest in that USB encoder thing to rip more of my Movies to AppleTV format….”

    Handbrake is great for converting content for iPhone, Apple TV, iPods and more…. no USB encoder required.

  2. AppleTV for me was a great purchase. I was, however, a bit bummed at the time I bought it because they upped the storage capacity a couple weeks later. It’s ok though, I have been pleasantly surprised by its capabilities, and I thoroughly enjoy the Handbrake => AppleTV process. I love not having to search through my disks when I want to watch a movie. My father-in-law was extremely impressed when photos from his trips to other countries were displayed directly to my big screen tv – it made for a much more enjoyable experience than when he showed them to us at his house with the projector and his Dull… 3 Cheers for AppleTV Yay!!!

    Magic Word: move – um, move your library to your AppleTV with ease? .`)

  3. The reason there is no DVR in the AppleTV is because the idea is to shift users away from TV as we know it (cable or satellite) and use the Internet as our TV provider instead. If you are downloading the shows on demand, you don’t need a DVR. If the content moves to the Internet, DVRs aren’t necessary. By placing a DVR in the AppleTV, you’re essentially telling users to not buy the content from iTunes Store, but rather ‘steal it’ from broadcast TV. I find it amusing that the networks have no problem with VCRs and Tivo which take the content for FREE and make it on demand, yet they are so against ‘raising the price’ of TV shows from free to $0.99 as Apple wants and instead insist on $4.99ish shows?

    If the argument is advertising, make the TV shows in widescreen and place ads at the bottom in the unused black space, have them run down there concurrent with the show so the commercials don’t chop the show up like they do on TV and people will download them like crazy AND the network would have 23 minutes of commercials during a show rather than 7 minutes, but they don’t think far enough ahead to see that TV is dying, the Internet is the future medium for all entertainment and that people aren’t stupid and it’s WAY easier to just pirate the shows for free than to go through the hoops they are trying to make people go through to get content.

    AppleTV isn’t a flop, the networks are a flop and as long as they remain in the stone age, their power will continue to decrease.

  4. Funny that they are saying the AppleTV is a failure because it has only sold 250,000 units, then goes on later to mention TiVo and the fact that they now have 4.3 million customers – it took TiVo 5 YEARS to even to 1 million, and he’s going to throw out TiVo’s number as if it is some sort of comparison? At the rate AppleTV is going, it will be on a better performance trend than TiVo, so what’s the point? Granted, I personally don’t have much desire for an AppleTV right now, but I don’t think it is a flop. The minute they have movie rentals on iTunes, I will run out and purchase an AppleTV. I have TiVos, and I have rented a few things from Amazon Unbox via the TiVo, and it’s pretty neat, but the additional things the AppleTV will allow me to do (play my iTunes library without having to burn all my purchased songs and import them again for one) will make me a customer.

  5. A great product. Long live “handbrake” I think the Apple TV is a sleeper. They’ve only sold 250K because they haven’t really marketed it- everyone who sees what ours does is, well, amazed. OK to make it better? A movie rental service, an iTunes screen saver when playing music (instead of my photos), allow me to plug in an external drive, blend the mac mini & the Apple TV into one product. Allow the Apple TV to be a personal media server, so I can clear all the bulk out of my desktop.. It likely has a processor that is capable of the task presently- I mean, I have an old cube that serves the function reasonably well.

  6. whuddeveh ….

    the only reason i haven’t bought one yet, is that i’m waiting til spring to get the hdtv.

    i don’t want a dvr, or timeshifting, or download rentals, or youtube, or dvd ripper, or whatever else.

    all i want is to be able to stream my 600+ gigs of content from my computer 9or external hd) to my tv.

    that’s all, and that’s what iTV does.

    so if its a flop, then i just hope they keep it on the market until ’08 and i’ll snatch one up. because if they do pull these things, i’d expect the ebay re-sale value to go through the roof.

  7. Only 250 000 units? Well that is more than Microsoft has sold its Zune player?

    We don´t know yet how well the Apple TV sells because it has not seen the first xMas sales yet.

    Tivo has sold only what 4300 000 boxes. How long has that taken? How many years?

    Anal is always fun before they ad that yst thing at the (rear)end. They are like hemorrhoids or something.

  8. This guy’s lack of objectivity and logic is so apparent it makes my head spin. He obviously has a HUGE axe to grind and picked on Apple-TV to do so. Was it because Steve wouldn’t agree to an interview (after reading this I wouldn’t either)? Is it because he doesn’t like Apple and can’t stand the recent good press its been receiving? I’m not sure but the whole article is like some childish rant. I imagine hes in a corner now sucking his thumb and consoling himself with a blankly.

  9. Yes, what this guy fails to mention, is that none of the other options has been a market-engulfing success either. Outside of the DVR capability everyone is limited by the same things:

    Content providers’ greed
    Cable companies’ greed
    Low bandwidth/Huge Hi-Def files
    Lack of HiDef content in general
    Lack of HiDef TVs in people’s homes (two or three more years for that)
    Hard disk needs to be bigger. This is one area I don’t thing the small notebook drives are worth it. As long as the device isn’t any bigger than a standard DVD player, it will be fine.

  10. I love my Apple TV. I use Elgato Eye TV on my iMac with a USB Tuner and an to record TV shows and encode them for the Apple TV (using Elgato’s H264 encoder accelerator) they are saved to iTunes and synced to my Apple TV. I even have bought some Classic Music Videos from iTunes store and a few movies and TV Shows I missed.
    I watch what I want when I want and were I want.

  11. He’s also ignoring the fact that a LOT of people have purchased Mac Minis to accomplish what the AppleTV does. It’s impossible to break those out, but they are surely significant in terms of the AppleTV numbers. I bought a Mac Mini before the AppleTV came out to do exactly what the AppleTV does.

    And 250,000 sales with little promotion and the networks holding them back is pretty big. Remember, TiVO didn’t get much uptake until they got the deal with the satellite company. Right now the only thing really keeping them afloat is the Comcast deal. TiVo is also a totally different product – they’re working within an existing (crappy) system, so naturally they’re going to sell a lot more. AppleTV is trying to change the game, the barrier to entry is perceived to be higher since it doesn’t fit right in with the existing system.

  12. Tell the man to kiss Steve’s butt.

    Hey, remember, the iPhone is a failure cause it did not sell a million in the first day/week/month. What ever.

    And the iPod is a failure cause it did not sell a million in —- ahhh to poop with it.

    I just get a kick with all these people saying that Apple cannot do this or that, then when Apple does it in fine style, they say, well, they did not do more and more and more.

    Why does an iPod not have a phone, dvd recorder, tv, home movie theater and a spray painter in each 2in by 2 inch player?????

    Hey, I guess iPod is a flop too!!!! Cheeeeeezzzzzzeeee.

    Enough already. I am going home, have a drink and catch some good sci fi. Have a good weekend. ” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”grin” style=”border:0;” />

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  13. A startup named Vudu in Santa Clara, Calif. has deals with all six Hollywood heavyweights and a score of international distributors, in part because it doesn’t try to dictate wholesale prices. (A download of Syriana from Warner Bros. goes for $20.) The studios also let Vudu users rent movies for 24 hours, not an option on Apple TV.

    Well hooray for Vudu! You can buy Syriana on DVD for less than ten bucks, or you can download it from Vudu for $20. Let me think a minute…

    It’s no big surprise that the movie studios, even more than the music distributors, want to maintain their strangle-hold on the gravy train; but the whole thing is unraveling faster than they can stitch it back together again. None of this really has a whole lot to do with Apple TV directly. My guess is that Apple TV will be waiting patiently in the wings to beam premium content from computer to tv screen whenever all this useless struggling on the part of the big media companies finally comes to an end.

    And you can’t rent movies from Apple TV because Apple TV is not a content provider. It’s a bridge, not a car company! When the iTunes Store starts renting movies, Apple TV will be there to handle the transfer from computer to big screen.

  14. Hi, I guess my site, http://appletvsource.com, is the last of a dying breed. I remember there were so many Apple TV-related blogs when Apple TV first came out. Now, my site is the ONLY one I know of that updates its content daily. I sure hope Apple “resurrects” the product soon.

    I have to disagree with you that the success of the Apple TV is dependent on the content provider. Apple is as much to blame as they are. Apple TV is capable of so much more and yet Apple refuses to put more relevant features on it. If only Apple offers some kind of a development kit for it, Apple TV would be a great platform for Internet-based TV and content.

    As for HD content, I have compiled a list of HD podcasts and published it on my site. The list gets updated quite frequently. It is located at http://hd.appletvsource.com.

  15. Lack of HiDef TVs in people’s homes (two or three more years for that)

    Agreed.

    One of Steve’s greater faults is he can be TOO far ahead of the curve.

    Non-HD TV’s are like Windows PC’s: lousy, cheap, and everywhere. AppleTV 1.0 should have supported both formats. HD-only would’ve made for a nice future upgrade…

    Apple, if you want AppleTV to be a real hit, give it a fast DVD & a huge internal drive for storing movies. Do for the video shelf what the iPod did for the CD rack.

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