“Despite that neither firm has yet moved to include tablets within their PC marketshare figures is particularly risible when you consider both firms concede the iPad has impacted broader PC sales, impacting netbooks in particular,” Evans reports. “It is ever so obvious that iPads can be used as productivity devices — that’s why Fortune 500 companies are adopting them; that is why corporations are considering them a viable and lightweight alternative to notebooks for business trips… When, oh when, [will] Gartner and IDC accept the error of their ways and choose to recognise tablet sales as PC sales?”
Evans reports, “If they do, then imagine if Apple had sold just 4.5 million iPads in the last quarter (which seems conservative, given news out of Apple’s component supply chains). Add those sales to its PC sales and Steve Jobs now leads what is arguably the biggest [U.S.] computer company… Apple shipped [a roughly estimated] 1.9 million PCs in the US, compared to HP’s 4.5 million and Dell’s 4.3 million.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: As anyone who owns one understands, iPad is a personal computer.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Dan K.” for the heads up.]
@Edward
I’ve been search my brain, and I can’t imagine more stupid ways to differentiate PCs than the reasons you offer. It doesn’t have a USB port???!!! WTF?
I’m such an asshole. I love Bill Gates.
I’m such an asshole. I love Bill Gates.
Yah, ha ha, you guys are right. EVERYTHING is a computer nowadays, to some degree or other.
This is why it’s ridiculous for people to compare the Windows model to the Mac model, or the iOS model to Android, and then claim that Android is more open and therefore more better because third party vendors can alter the OS and add crapware. Same as Windows.
But in reality, apart from the Windows and Android examples, ALL computing devices come with the hardware and software tightly integrated and safely installed by one single company.
You wouldn’t expect to swap your furnace OS with a Google version, would you? Or your car’s? Or your desk phone’s? Or your microwave? They all have computer chips and all have an OS and a user interface. And they all work.
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Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows because of unique market situations at the time. But it’s unlikely to ever create a better user experience or dominate any device or computer market, ever again!
Yah, ha ha, you guys are right. EVERYTHING is a computer nowadays, to some degree or other.
This is why it’s ridiculous for people to compare the Windows model to the Mac model, or the iOS model to Android, and then claim that Android is more open and therefore more better because third party vendors can alter the OS and add crapware. Same as Windows.
But in reality, apart from the Windows and Android examples, ALL computing devices come with the hardware and software tightly integrated and safely installed by one single company.
You wouldn’t expect to swap your furnace OS with a Google version, would you? Or your car’s? Or your desk phone’s? Or your microwave? They all have computer chips and all have an OS and a user interface. And they all work.
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Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows because of unique market situations at the time. But it’s unlikely to ever create a better user experience or dominate any device or computer market, ever again!
Just wait until the Windows Box makers like Dell and HP toss their iPad ripoffs into the market. They’ll be WHINING to have their pads counted as PCs.
Then there shall be justice!
And they will regret their whining for Apple shall dominate them all.
BWAHAHAHA!
Oh yeah, forgot to take my drugs this morning…
Just wait until the Windows Box makers like Dell and HP toss their iPad ripoffs into the market. They’ll be WHINING to have their pads counted as PCs.
Then there shall be justice!
And they will regret their whining for Apple shall dominate them all.
BWAHAHAHA!
Oh yeah, forgot to take my drugs this morning…
Trolls are out today.
Lets see:
– Create and read email
– Brows websites
– Chat
– Take notes
– Install thousands of software programs
– Read PDFs and other documents
– Play games
– Schedule meetings for myself or others in my company
– Install and use network utilities
I’m sure I forgot something.
No, not a computer at all, just some dumb terminal device.
The desperation of the PC loving nerds is getting very thick.
Trolls are out today.
Lets see:
– Create and read email
– Brows websites
– Chat
– Take notes
– Install thousands of software programs
– Read PDFs and other documents
– Play games
– Schedule meetings for myself or others in my company
– Install and use network utilities
I’m sure I forgot something.
No, not a computer at all, just some dumb terminal device.
The desperation of the PC loving nerds is getting very thick.
yes, it is interesting. i can’t stand all the buttons on my camera, but it works very well. one company put the whole thing together, and one company put my furnace together. my wife has completely stopped using her macbook pro – her ipad works much better for her and she uses it more than she did her laptop. as far as she, and my sister (a former windows user) and others i know an ipad is a computer. but it is hard to come up with a definition for a computer than doesn’t allow for a whole bunch of other things to be included that we weren’t even thinking about.
yes, it is interesting. i can’t stand all the buttons on my camera, but it works very well. one company put the whole thing together, and one company put my furnace together. my wife has completely stopped using her macbook pro – her ipad works much better for her and she uses it more than she did her laptop. as far as she, and my sister (a former windows user) and others i know an ipad is a computer. but it is hard to come up with a definition for a computer than doesn’t allow for a whole bunch of other things to be included that we weren’t even thinking about.
@ABQ Peter
heck, why isn’t my home’s furnace not a computer?
Asinine!
@ABQ Peter
heck, why isn’t my home’s furnace not a computer?
Asinine!
All you iPad naysayers listen up…..
If you don’t own an iPad you’ll probably never understand. I have a MacPro, MacBook, iPhone, and an iPad. I go to sleep reading books on the iPad, with the lights off in a dark room, and I wake up checking the weather, reading the news, checking and sending emails on it. I even have a ScottVest to carry it on me. I knew I was hooked when I started putting my fingers on my computer screens to make thing happen. It’s the best and most user friendly computer I have.
All you iPad naysayers listen up…..
If you don’t own an iPad you’ll probably never understand. I have a MacPro, MacBook, iPhone, and an iPad. I go to sleep reading books on the iPad, with the lights off in a dark room, and I wake up checking the weather, reading the news, checking and sending emails on it. I even have a ScottVest to carry it on me. I knew I was hooked when I started putting my fingers on my computer screens to make thing happen. It’s the best and most user friendly computer I have.
An ostrich can put it’s head in the sand but they still can get bit in their ass. When every where they look they see an Apple logo just keep telling themselves that Apple isn’t a real player in the market.
THIS IS GOING TO BE ALMOST ALL APPLE’S MARKET SOON IDIOTS!
An ostrich can put it’s head in the sand but they still can get bit in their ass. When every where they look they see an Apple logo just keep telling themselves that Apple isn’t a real player in the market.
THIS IS GOING TO BE ALMOST ALL APPLE’S MARKET SOON IDIOTS!
Dear @Everyting is a computer…
I like your POV, except for this:
“Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows…”
Be careful about your terminology. There is nothing actually ‘open’ about Windows. It is an almost entirely proprietary OS. On a relative basis, Mac OS X is FAR more ‘open’ than Windows. The vast majority of the underlying OS, called Darwin OS, relies on a wide variety of Open Source code and applications. Windows is almost entirely ‘closed’, using very little Open Source software.
Therefore, stick to applying the term ‘open’ to actual Open Source software that anyone can use and improve upon.
What you’re actually discussing is marketing. Windows is marketed for a variety of third party hardware configurations, generically called ‘PC’s. Whereas, Mac OS X is marketed only for first party PC hardware from Apple. You could apply the term ‘open’ if you used the defining modifier ‘market’. Therefore, Windows has an ‘open market’ whereas Mac OS X has a ‘closed market.’
Dear @Everyting is a computer…
I like your POV, except for this:
“Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows…”
Be careful about your terminology. There is nothing actually ‘open’ about Windows. It is an almost entirely proprietary OS. On a relative basis, Mac OS X is FAR more ‘open’ than Windows. The vast majority of the underlying OS, called Darwin OS, relies on a wide variety of Open Source code and applications. Windows is almost entirely ‘closed’, using very little Open Source software.
Therefore, stick to applying the term ‘open’ to actual Open Source software that anyone can use and improve upon.
What you’re actually discussing is marketing. Windows is marketed for a variety of third party hardware configurations, generically called ‘PC’s. Whereas, Mac OS X is marketed only for first party PC hardware from Apple. You could apply the term ‘open’ if you used the defining modifier ‘market’. Therefore, Windows has an ‘open market’ whereas Mac OS X has a ‘closed market.’
… is “a computer”. More precisely, my car contains several computers. And, while I am a “person” and I “own” them, I don’t consider any of them to be a “PC”, a “Personal Computer”. While I admit that a Canon EOS includes a pretty amazing computer, I don’t see IT as a “Personal Computer”, either. Many devices we use daily contain computers – cameras, cars, cash registers, ATMs, TVs, even radios – but they are not “Personal Computers”. They do one (set of?) tasks well and the others not at all.
RP3 … you are right, but they do better advertising.
… is “a computer”. More precisely, my car contains several computers. And, while I am a “person” and I “own” them, I don’t consider any of them to be a “PC”, a “Personal Computer”. While I admit that a Canon EOS includes a pretty amazing computer, I don’t see IT as a “Personal Computer”, either. Many devices we use daily contain computers – cameras, cars, cash registers, ATMs, TVs, even radios – but they are not “Personal Computers”. They do one (set of?) tasks well and the others not at all.
RP3 … you are right, but they do better advertising.
A computer is not a typewriter. When was the last time you saw someone typing something on a typewriter?
A computer is not a typewriter. When was the last time you saw someone typing something on a typewriter?
Please go stick your head up into your…
Dude, it’s part of a larger discussion he was having with me and others here… read the posts!
We are making the point that the iPad is a computer, which is the relevant discussion in the article… yet it’s not counted as a computer because by some definitions it’s not a PC or computer, just as by conventional definitions your furnace is not a computer.
Yet, by older standards, like from the 1960s, for example, we would have said there was a computer in your furnace, or your car, because it has computing capabilities.
Then I was making the point that all these “computing” devices have tightly integrated hard- and software, an OS, a user interface, etc, memory, all definitions of a computer, and each made by a single company — UNLIKE the Windows or Android model of “openness” whereby the hardware and software companies are separate and this pollutes and degrades their reliability and user experience…
All to say the Apple model is superior to the windows and Android model. AND the Windows and Android “openness” model is in fact an ABBERATION, even though most people think it’s a standard business / device model.
ABQ Peter was commenting within this context. UNLIKE YOU WHO HAVE CLUE!
Please go stick your head up into your…
Dude, it’s part of a larger discussion he was having with me and others here… read the posts!
We are making the point that the iPad is a computer, which is the relevant discussion in the article… yet it’s not counted as a computer because by some definitions it’s not a PC or computer, just as by conventional definitions your furnace is not a computer.
Yet, by older standards, like from the 1960s, for example, we would have said there was a computer in your furnace, or your car, because it has computing capabilities.
Then I was making the point that all these “computing” devices have tightly integrated hard- and software, an OS, a user interface, etc, memory, all definitions of a computer, and each made by a single company — UNLIKE the Windows or Android model of “openness” whereby the hardware and software companies are separate and this pollutes and degrades their reliability and user experience…
All to say the Apple model is superior to the windows and Android model. AND the Windows and Android “openness” model is in fact an ABBERATION, even though most people think it’s a standard business / device model.
ABQ Peter was commenting within this context. UNLIKE YOU WHO HAVE CLUE!