“Despite that neither firm has yet moved to include tablets within their PC marketshare figures is particularly risible when you consider both firms concede the iPad has impacted broader PC sales, impacting netbooks in particular,” Evans reports. “It is ever so obvious that iPads can be used as productivity devices — that’s why Fortune 500 companies are adopting them; that is why corporations are considering them a viable and lightweight alternative to notebooks for business trips… When, oh when, [will] Gartner and IDC accept the error of their ways and choose to recognise tablet sales as PC sales?”
Evans reports, “If they do, then imagine if Apple had sold just 4.5 million iPads in the last quarter (which seems conservative, given news out of Apple’s component supply chains). Add those sales to its PC sales and Steve Jobs now leads what is arguably the biggest [U.S.] computer company… Apple shipped [a roughly estimated] 1.9 million PCs in the US, compared to HP’s 4.5 million and Dell’s 4.3 million.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: As anyone who owns one understands, iPad is a personal computer.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Dan K.” for the heads up.]
It will be a fine day when the majority of earthlings have experienced and owned an Apple computer and know this sweet joy. Onto a better Age!
It will be a fine day when the majority of earthlings have experienced and owned an Apple computer and know this sweet joy. Onto a better Age!
The estimation about 4.5 million sales of iPads is for the whole world, not for USA sales.
So whether Apple is actually #1 “PC” maker or not depends how much iPads were actually sold in USA. We will know just in few days.
The estimation about 4.5 million sales of iPads is for the whole world, not for USA sales.
So whether Apple is actually #1 “PC” maker or not depends how much iPads were actually sold in USA. We will know just in few days.
Early days yet…
iPad Changed everything and reset the tables.
Market share will double real soon.
Early days yet…
iPad Changed everything and reset the tables.
Market share will double real soon.
Since when is Apple a PC maker??? What did the “I’m a Mac, I’m a PC” ad mean then? “It should have been “I’m a PC, I’m a PC”
Since when is Apple a PC maker??? What did the “I’m a Mac, I’m a PC” ad mean then? “It should have been “I’m a PC, I’m a PC”
@RP3
“I’m a PC that works.”
“And I’m a PC that frustrates the hell out of users.”
@RP3
“I’m a PC that works.”
“And I’m a PC that frustrates the hell out of users.”
yeah, more market share seems like inevitable at least in US. but unfortunately, Apple is still struggle with world market share which is more important than only US in terms of profit. Apple products are still expensive even though ipod, ipad, mac are popular. in countries, apple is very expensive, and mac os x is not popular OS people use. windows is still dominated. there are lots of competitors for this market. excepting US, unfortunately Apple can’t share no more than 3-5% still. this number won’t be changed anytime soon. I don’t care US share by the way.
yeah, more market share seems like inevitable at least in US. but unfortunately, Apple is still struggle with world market share which is more important than only US in terms of profit. Apple products are still expensive even though ipod, ipad, mac are popular. in countries, apple is very expensive, and mac os x is not popular OS people use. windows is still dominated. there are lots of competitors for this market. excepting US, unfortunately Apple can’t share no more than 3-5% still. this number won’t be changed anytime soon. I don’t care US share by the way.
Thanks Jonny for teaching me a new word: “risible .”
Thanks Jonny for teaching me a new word: “risible .”
No, the ad should have been “I’m a Mac PC, and he’s a dork, aka PC.”
No, the ad should have been “I’m a Mac PC, and he’s a dork, aka PC.”
If Apple wants iPad sales included in their computer sales figures (which I doubt), then Steve will allude to that. We’ll know by the October 20th media event, where he’ll give his “State of the Apple” preamble that details the sales figures announced two days prior.
For now it seems Apple wants to keep Macs and iOS devices completely separate, so why not honor that. I think they’re better served using the iPad to demonstrate the rapid and seemingly never-ending iOS growth.
If Apple wants iPad sales included in their computer sales figures (which I doubt), then Steve will allude to that. We’ll know by the October 20th media event, where he’ll give his “State of the Apple” preamble that details the sales figures announced two days prior.
For now it seems Apple wants to keep Macs and iOS devices completely separate, so why not honor that. I think they’re better served using the iPad to demonstrate the rapid and seemingly never-ending iOS growth.
oh, by the way, ipad is not laptop, or even netbook. there are many things you can’t do with ipad. technically, ipad is not in the PC market because it’s not PC or mac anything. I don’t understand why article says PC market. totally wrong. plus, it doesn’t have USB port like PC or mac. so it’s not. just don’t exaggerate.
oh, by the way, ipad is not laptop, or even netbook. there are many things you can’t do with ipad. technically, ipad is not in the PC market because it’s not PC or mac anything. I don’t understand why article says PC market. totally wrong. plus, it doesn’t have USB port like PC or mac. so it’s not. just don’t exaggerate.
why is my canon rebel eos camera not a computer? it has software upgrades for the operating system, (replaceable!!) memory, i can read and write to that memory, i can edit pictures on it, i can create content on it, it has menus, graphical interfaces, i can print from it and, omigod, lots and lots of buttons. you can hardly touch it without putting your fingers on a button. i wish apple would get into the camera body business soon as possible.
why is my canon rebel eos camera not a computer? it has software upgrades for the operating system, (replaceable!!) memory, i can read and write to that memory, i can edit pictures on it, i can create content on it, it has menus, graphical interfaces, i can print from it and, omigod, lots and lots of buttons. you can hardly touch it without putting your fingers on a button. i wish apple would get into the camera body business soon as possible.
heck, why isn’t my home’s furnace not a computer? it creates content, has memory and i had to pay $600 a while ago to replace the motherboard.
heck, why isn’t my home’s furnace not a computer? it creates content, has memory and i had to pay $600 a while ago to replace the motherboard.
@Edward
I’ve been search my brain, and I can’t imagine more stupid ways to differentiate PCs than the reasons you offer. It doesn’t have a USB port???!!! WTF?
@Edward
I’ve been search my brain, and I can’t imagine more stupid ways to differentiate PCs than the reasons you offer. It doesn’t have a USB port???!!! WTF?
I’m such an asshole. I love Bill Gates.
I’m such an asshole. I love Bill Gates.
Yah, ha ha, you guys are right. EVERYTHING is a computer nowadays, to some degree or other.
This is why it’s ridiculous for people to compare the Windows model to the Mac model, or the iOS model to Android, and then claim that Android is more open and therefore more better because third party vendors can alter the OS and add crapware. Same as Windows.
But in reality, apart from the Windows and Android examples, ALL computing devices come with the hardware and software tightly integrated and safely installed by one single company.
You wouldn’t expect to swap your furnace OS with a Google version, would you? Or your car’s? Or your desk phone’s? Or your microwave? They all have computer chips and all have an OS and a user interface. And they all work.
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Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows because of unique market situations at the time. But it’s unlikely to ever create a better user experience or dominate any device or computer market, ever again!
Yah, ha ha, you guys are right. EVERYTHING is a computer nowadays, to some degree or other.
This is why it’s ridiculous for people to compare the Windows model to the Mac model, or the iOS model to Android, and then claim that Android is more open and therefore more better because third party vendors can alter the OS and add crapware. Same as Windows.
But in reality, apart from the Windows and Android examples, ALL computing devices come with the hardware and software tightly integrated and safely installed by one single company.
You wouldn’t expect to swap your furnace OS with a Google version, would you? Or your car’s? Or your desk phone’s? Or your microwave? They all have computer chips and all have an OS and a user interface. And they all work.
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Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows because of unique market situations at the time. But it’s unlikely to ever create a better user experience or dominate any device or computer market, ever again!
Just wait until the Windows Box makers like Dell and HP toss their iPad ripoffs into the market. They’ll be WHINING to have their pads counted as PCs.
Then there shall be justice!
And they will regret their whining for Apple shall dominate them all.
BWAHAHAHA!
Oh yeah, forgot to take my drugs this morning…
Just wait until the Windows Box makers like Dell and HP toss their iPad ripoffs into the market. They’ll be WHINING to have their pads counted as PCs.
Then there shall be justice!
And they will regret their whining for Apple shall dominate them all.
BWAHAHAHA!
Oh yeah, forgot to take my drugs this morning…
Trolls are out today.
Lets see:
– Create and read email
– Brows websites
– Chat
– Take notes
– Install thousands of software programs
– Read PDFs and other documents
– Play games
– Schedule meetings for myself or others in my company
– Install and use network utilities
I’m sure I forgot something.
No, not a computer at all, just some dumb terminal device.
The desperation of the PC loving nerds is getting very thick.
Trolls are out today.
Lets see:
– Create and read email
– Brows websites
– Chat
– Take notes
– Install thousands of software programs
– Read PDFs and other documents
– Play games
– Schedule meetings for myself or others in my company
– Install and use network utilities
I’m sure I forgot something.
No, not a computer at all, just some dumb terminal device.
The desperation of the PC loving nerds is getting very thick.
yes, it is interesting. i can’t stand all the buttons on my camera, but it works very well. one company put the whole thing together, and one company put my furnace together. my wife has completely stopped using her macbook pro – her ipad works much better for her and she uses it more than she did her laptop. as far as she, and my sister (a former windows user) and others i know an ipad is a computer. but it is hard to come up with a definition for a computer than doesn’t allow for a whole bunch of other things to be included that we weren’t even thinking about.
yes, it is interesting. i can’t stand all the buttons on my camera, but it works very well. one company put the whole thing together, and one company put my furnace together. my wife has completely stopped using her macbook pro – her ipad works much better for her and she uses it more than she did her laptop. as far as she, and my sister (a former windows user) and others i know an ipad is a computer. but it is hard to come up with a definition for a computer than doesn’t allow for a whole bunch of other things to be included that we weren’t even thinking about.
@ABQ Peter
heck, why isn’t my home’s furnace not a computer?
Asinine!
@ABQ Peter
heck, why isn’t my home’s furnace not a computer?
Asinine!
All you iPad naysayers listen up…..
If you don’t own an iPad you’ll probably never understand. I have a MacPro, MacBook, iPhone, and an iPad. I go to sleep reading books on the iPad, with the lights off in a dark room, and I wake up checking the weather, reading the news, checking and sending emails on it. I even have a ScottVest to carry it on me. I knew I was hooked when I started putting my fingers on my computer screens to make thing happen. It’s the best and most user friendly computer I have.
All you iPad naysayers listen up…..
If you don’t own an iPad you’ll probably never understand. I have a MacPro, MacBook, iPhone, and an iPad. I go to sleep reading books on the iPad, with the lights off in a dark room, and I wake up checking the weather, reading the news, checking and sending emails on it. I even have a ScottVest to carry it on me. I knew I was hooked when I started putting my fingers on my computer screens to make thing happen. It’s the best and most user friendly computer I have.
An ostrich can put it’s head in the sand but they still can get bit in their ass. When every where they look they see an Apple logo just keep telling themselves that Apple isn’t a real player in the market.
THIS IS GOING TO BE ALMOST ALL APPLE’S MARKET SOON IDIOTS!
An ostrich can put it’s head in the sand but they still can get bit in their ass. When every where they look they see an Apple logo just keep telling themselves that Apple isn’t a real player in the market.
THIS IS GOING TO BE ALMOST ALL APPLE’S MARKET SOON IDIOTS!
Dear @Everyting is a computer…
I like your POV, except for this:
“Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows…”
Be careful about your terminology. There is nothing actually ‘open’ about Windows. It is an almost entirely proprietary OS. On a relative basis, Mac OS X is FAR more ‘open’ than Windows. The vast majority of the underlying OS, called Darwin OS, relies on a wide variety of Open Source code and applications. Windows is almost entirely ‘closed’, using very little Open Source software.
Therefore, stick to applying the term ‘open’ to actual Open Source software that anyone can use and improve upon.
What you’re actually discussing is marketing. Windows is marketed for a variety of third party hardware configurations, generically called ‘PC’s. Whereas, Mac OS X is marketed only for first party PC hardware from Apple. You could apply the term ‘open’ if you used the defining modifier ‘market’. Therefore, Windows has an ‘open market’ whereas Mac OS X has a ‘closed market.’
Dear @Everyting is a computer…
I like your POV, except for this:
“Yet, the Fandroids still claim “openness” is better. Sure… It worked with Windows…”
Be careful about your terminology. There is nothing actually ‘open’ about Windows. It is an almost entirely proprietary OS. On a relative basis, Mac OS X is FAR more ‘open’ than Windows. The vast majority of the underlying OS, called Darwin OS, relies on a wide variety of Open Source code and applications. Windows is almost entirely ‘closed’, using very little Open Source software.
Therefore, stick to applying the term ‘open’ to actual Open Source software that anyone can use and improve upon.
What you’re actually discussing is marketing. Windows is marketed for a variety of third party hardware configurations, generically called ‘PC’s. Whereas, Mac OS X is marketed only for first party PC hardware from Apple. You could apply the term ‘open’ if you used the defining modifier ‘market’. Therefore, Windows has an ‘open market’ whereas Mac OS X has a ‘closed market.’
… is “a computer”. More precisely, my car contains several computers. And, while I am a “person” and I “own” them, I don’t consider any of them to be a “PC”, a “Personal Computer”. While I admit that a Canon EOS includes a pretty amazing computer, I don’t see IT as a “Personal Computer”, either. Many devices we use daily contain computers – cameras, cars, cash registers, ATMs, TVs, even radios – but they are not “Personal Computers”. They do one (set of?) tasks well and the others not at all.
RP3 … you are right, but they do better advertising.
… is “a computer”. More precisely, my car contains several computers. And, while I am a “person” and I “own” them, I don’t consider any of them to be a “PC”, a “Personal Computer”. While I admit that a Canon EOS includes a pretty amazing computer, I don’t see IT as a “Personal Computer”, either. Many devices we use daily contain computers – cameras, cars, cash registers, ATMs, TVs, even radios – but they are not “Personal Computers”. They do one (set of?) tasks well and the others not at all.
RP3 … you are right, but they do better advertising.
A computer is not a typewriter. When was the last time you saw someone typing something on a typewriter?
A computer is not a typewriter. When was the last time you saw someone typing something on a typewriter?
Please go stick your head up into your…
Dude, it’s part of a larger discussion he was having with me and others here… read the posts!
We are making the point that the iPad is a computer, which is the relevant discussion in the article… yet it’s not counted as a computer because by some definitions it’s not a PC or computer, just as by conventional definitions your furnace is not a computer.
Yet, by older standards, like from the 1960s, for example, we would have said there was a computer in your furnace, or your car, because it has computing capabilities.
Then I was making the point that all these “computing” devices have tightly integrated hard- and software, an OS, a user interface, etc, memory, all definitions of a computer, and each made by a single company — UNLIKE the Windows or Android model of “openness” whereby the hardware and software companies are separate and this pollutes and degrades their reliability and user experience…
All to say the Apple model is superior to the windows and Android model. AND the Windows and Android “openness” model is in fact an ABBERATION, even though most people think it’s a standard business / device model.
ABQ Peter was commenting within this context. UNLIKE YOU WHO HAVE CLUE!
Please go stick your head up into your…
Dude, it’s part of a larger discussion he was having with me and others here… read the posts!
We are making the point that the iPad is a computer, which is the relevant discussion in the article… yet it’s not counted as a computer because by some definitions it’s not a PC or computer, just as by conventional definitions your furnace is not a computer.
Yet, by older standards, like from the 1960s, for example, we would have said there was a computer in your furnace, or your car, because it has computing capabilities.
Then I was making the point that all these “computing” devices have tightly integrated hard- and software, an OS, a user interface, etc, memory, all definitions of a computer, and each made by a single company — UNLIKE the Windows or Android model of “openness” whereby the hardware and software companies are separate and this pollutes and degrades their reliability and user experience…
All to say the Apple model is superior to the windows and Android model. AND the Windows and Android “openness” model is in fact an ABBERATION, even though most people think it’s a standard business / device model.
ABQ Peter was commenting within this context. UNLIKE YOU WHO HAVE CLUE!
@ Derrek Currie,
Thanks, totally agree. I was using the term “openness” as it’s used by the Fandroids and Google… You are correct, it’s not open in reality, even compared to the Mac.
Good points!
Everyone, read that post!
@ Derrek Currie,
Thanks, totally agree. I was using the term “openness” as it’s used by the Fandroids and Google… You are correct, it’s not open in reality, even compared to the Mac.
Good points!
Everyone, read that post!
According to Dictionary.com: Computer
–noun
1.
Also called processor. an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations. Compare analog computer, digital computer.
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Sounds like an iPad.
According to Dictionary.com: Computer
–noun
1.
Also called processor. an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations. Compare analog computer, digital computer.
___
Sounds like an iPad.
i personally think an ipad is a computer and should be counted as one. my camera is not a computer. this seems obvious to me. yet, i still wish apple would make a camera body. i am not kidding about all the buttons on it! we are going thru a period of huge transition, a lot of people don’t or won’t admit to this. there are a lot of people in denial about what is going on. and a lot of businesses on the brink of extinction.
i personally think an ipad is a computer and should be counted as one. my camera is not a computer. this seems obvious to me. yet, i still wish apple would make a camera body. i am not kidding about all the buttons on it! we are going thru a period of huge transition, a lot of people don’t or won’t admit to this. there are a lot of people in denial about what is going on. and a lot of businesses on the brink of extinction.
I love my iPad, but I still hook it up to my MacBook Pro to update its operating system, to add music to it that I’ve added to iTunes, to add new iPhoto albums to it, etc.
When the day comes that my iPad is independent of another computer to do these things because they can be done OTA (Over The Air), that’s a good day to starting counting it as a PC.
ps. I have MobileMe as well, so I know photo albums can be published, but that’s not copying it to my iPad; that’s a webpage like Flickr or Picasa.
I love my iPad, but I still hook it up to my MacBook Pro to update its operating system, to add music to it that I’ve added to iTunes, to add new iPhoto albums to it, etc.
When the day comes that my iPad is independent of another computer to do these things because they can be done OTA (Over The Air), that’s a good day to starting counting it as a PC.
ps. I have MobileMe as well, so I know photo albums can be published, but that’s not copying it to my iPad; that’s a webpage like Flickr or Picasa.
According to Dictionary.com:
personal computer
–noun
a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games. Abbreviation: PC
Does THIS also sound like an iPad? To me, it kind of does.
According to Dictionary.com:
personal computer
–noun
a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games. Abbreviation: PC
Does THIS also sound like an iPad? To me, it kind of does.
boyweho,
Well, theoretically, the only practical reason (other than backing up) for the need of a tethered Mac (or Windows) to an iPad is to update its OS. Otherwise, you can buy your music (and movies, and TV shows, and Apps) directly on the device; you can also get the camera adapter and transfer your pictures directly onto the iPad. Since vast majority of people who own an ordinary desktop computer (or a laptop) DON’T have any backup, an untethered iPad would be no different. When an update becomes available, you could presumably take the iPad to an Apple Store (or to someone with an internet-connected computer with iTunes installed), get the update, disconnect and go about your merry way.
boyweho,
Well, theoretically, the only practical reason (other than backing up) for the need of a tethered Mac (or Windows) to an iPad is to update its OS. Otherwise, you can buy your music (and movies, and TV shows, and Apps) directly on the device; you can also get the camera adapter and transfer your pictures directly onto the iPad. Since vast majority of people who own an ordinary desktop computer (or a laptop) DON’T have any backup, an untethered iPad would be no different. When an update becomes available, you could presumably take the iPad to an Apple Store (or to someone with an internet-connected computer with iTunes installed), get the update, disconnect and go about your merry way.
this dependence upon another computer is bothersome to me when i try to justify an ipad as a computer. personally i think it is a marketing tactic of apple’s and this will change soon enough when the time is right. but, this dependence could easily be used as justification to say that an ipad is nothing more than a computer peripheral and not a computer so we aren’t going to count it in the statistics. an ipod touch should be counted too, i think. it would have been counted as a computer, certainly, 15 years ago.
this dependence upon another computer is bothersome to me when i try to justify an ipad as a computer. personally i think it is a marketing tactic of apple’s and this will change soon enough when the time is right. but, this dependence could easily be used as justification to say that an ipad is nothing more than a computer peripheral and not a computer so we aren’t going to count it in the statistics. an ipod touch should be counted too, i think. it would have been counted as a computer, certainly, 15 years ago.
iOS devices are in fact PC’s, just in a non-traditional form. They do allow you to consume information, create content, entertain yourself, allow you to connect with others, etc… They are however limited in utility due to their form, but what they are capable of is enough for the mass majority of people who use a traditional PC.
ATM’s, cash registers, et al., are computing devices, but they are single purpose devices, not intended for general purpose use.
@ edward: “plus, it doesn’t have USB port like PC or mac”
Being a PC has nothing to do with being able to connect to peripherals. However, if that’s YOUR definition then you have to take into account that iOS devices can in fact have external peripherals connected over USB through the dock connector or over BlueTooth. Simplest example, I’m able to use my bluetooth keyboard with my iPad and iPhone.
iOS devices are in fact PC’s, just in a non-traditional form. They do allow you to consume information, create content, entertain yourself, allow you to connect with others, etc… They are however limited in utility due to their form, but what they are capable of is enough for the mass majority of people who use a traditional PC.
ATM’s, cash registers, et al., are computing devices, but they are single purpose devices, not intended for general purpose use.
@ edward: “plus, it doesn’t have USB port like PC or mac”
Being a PC has nothing to do with being able to connect to peripherals. However, if that’s YOUR definition then you have to take into account that iOS devices can in fact have external peripherals connected over USB through the dock connector or over BlueTooth. Simplest example, I’m able to use my bluetooth keyboard with my iPad and iPhone.
For those still claiming the iPad isn’t a personal computer…
It’s true, there are currently things that you can do on a traditional laptop that you can’t do on an iPad. You can run the Windows OS and most Windows desktop applications on any laptop (via emulation on a Mac), likewise, you can run the Adobe Creative Suite. You can multitask with simultaneous overlapping windows, and drag-and-drop data between these windows in the mode we’ve become accustomed to in the window-based desktop model.
These things are currently not possible on the the iPad.
But when iOS was first born on the iPhone, there was no multitasking, no copy/paste, no push notification system, not even an App Store.
These factors were added over time as they came to maturity, with simple software updates.
Few would argue that the ipad hardware isn’t capable of doing the things I outline above. And as the platform matures, more of these conventional workflow elements will be introduced, or perhaps re-imagined in a manner more appropriate to a touch-based system. Complex applications like those in the Adobe CS will be updated or written to take advantage of multi-touch, and new applications will be written to accomplish things we haven’t even thought of yet.
When that happens, then all these devices that you currently declare are not PCs suddenly will indeed be such. Millions of Apple computers will materialize in an instant.
Do you really think that’s not going to happen?
For those still claiming the iPad isn’t a personal computer…
It’s true, there are currently things that you can do on a traditional laptop that you can’t do on an iPad. You can run the Windows OS and most Windows desktop applications on any laptop (via emulation on a Mac), likewise, you can run the Adobe Creative Suite. You can multitask with simultaneous overlapping windows, and drag-and-drop data between these windows in the mode we’ve become accustomed to in the window-based desktop model.
These things are currently not possible on the the iPad.
But when iOS was first born on the iPhone, there was no multitasking, no copy/paste, no push notification system, not even an App Store.
These factors were added over time as they came to maturity, with simple software updates.
Few would argue that the ipad hardware isn’t capable of doing the things I outline above. And as the platform matures, more of these conventional workflow elements will be introduced, or perhaps re-imagined in a manner more appropriate to a touch-based system. Complex applications like those in the Adobe CS will be updated or written to take advantage of multi-touch, and new applications will be written to accomplish things we haven’t even thought of yet.
When that happens, then all these devices that you currently declare are not PCs suddenly will indeed be such. Millions of Apple computers will materialize in an instant.
Do you really think that’s not going to happen?
I think that neither IDC or Gartner count direct sales from Apple. They only count resale distribution channels.
There are multiple analysts predicting sales of over 4 million Macs for the latest quarter. While IDC and Gartner presumably miss direct shipments from Dell and HP, many of those are on the enterprise side.
With that in mind, Apple could already be the largest “consumer” PC supplier in the US, even without the iPad.
I think that neither IDC or Gartner count direct sales from Apple. They only count resale distribution channels.
There are multiple analysts predicting sales of over 4 million Macs for the latest quarter. While IDC and Gartner presumably miss direct shipments from Dell and HP, many of those are on the enterprise side.
With that in mind, Apple could already be the largest “consumer” PC supplier in the US, even without the iPad.
Let me correct something-
“(via emulation on a Mac)”
That should really have been “either natively or via virtualization on the Mac”
Let me correct something-
“(via emulation on a Mac)”
That should really have been “either natively or via virtualization on the Mac”
chrissy, you are right. and when that day happens it is going to be the kind of shock to a lot of people that would happen when aliens landed and then gave cnn an interview.
chrissy, you are right. and when that day happens it is going to be the kind of shock to a lot of people that would happen when aliens landed and then gave cnn an interview.
@ABQ Peter
The shock would be that the aliens would pick CNN for their interview.
@ABQ Peter
The shock would be that the aliens would pick CNN for their interview.
@ Think
If they picked Fox everyone would just laugh at them.
@ Think
If they picked Fox everyone would just laugh at them.
I love this one…
@ edward: “plus, it doesn’t have USB port like PC or mac”
So, by edward’s definition, PCs did not exist before September of 1998. Before that, these USB-less ‘devices’ were bereft of any kind of data transfer bus. How on earth did we live?!?!
I love this one…
@ edward: “plus, it doesn’t have USB port like PC or mac”
So, by edward’s definition, PCs did not exist before September of 1998. Before that, these USB-less ‘devices’ were bereft of any kind of data transfer bus. How on earth did we live?!?!
i like these kinds of discussions, like talking to old friends.
i like these kinds of discussions, like talking to old friends.
@ ABQ Peter
I’m with you on the camera thing. I want my EOS to work like my iPhone does – with a big, multitouch screen, touch-to-focus, network connectivity, and a Canon interchangeable lens mount. (dreams)
@ ABQ Peter
I’m with you on the camera thing. I want my EOS to work like my iPhone does – with a big, multitouch screen, touch-to-focus, network connectivity, and a Canon interchangeable lens mount. (dreams)
Can i install photo editing software? No? Ain’t a pc then. It’s just a cool book reader, browser, game player.
Can i install photo editing software? No? Ain’t a pc then. It’s just a cool book reader, browser, game player.
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2011 = $401period!
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Zero debt
$48 Billion Cash
Hot high demand products
Record Profits $$$$ $$$$
Global Expansion and hiring
China market
Apple Stores packed as in sardines
Great Management
New products
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… Buy AAPL stocks … make $$$$
2011 = $401period!
Apple has:
Zero debt
$48 Billion Cash
Hot high demand products
Record Profits $$$$ $$$$
Global Expansion and hiring
China market
Apple Stores packed as in sardines
Great Management
New products
A Lot of growth to come still
And lastly Fans like U:-)
C1
Edward was probably not alive in 1998.
C1
Edward was probably not alive in 1998.
Steve Ballmer recently claimed that “the iPad is a PC”, so it must be true.
Steve Ballmer recently claimed that “the iPad is a PC”, so it must be true.
My iPad and iPhone4 were made in China.
How is Apple now “the biggest U.S. PC maker”?
My iPad and iPhone4 were made in China.
How is Apple now “the biggest U.S. PC maker”?
No USB port?
Hell, it doesn’t even have a floppy disk drive.
No USB port?
Hell, it doesn’t even have a floppy disk drive.
@ daugav369pils
If companies that ship their manufacturing overseas don’t count as American companies, then there are almost no American companies.
@ daugav369pils
If companies that ship their manufacturing overseas don’t count as American companies, then there are almost no American companies.
@ Qman
No vacuum tubes, no sale.
@ Qman
No vacuum tubes, no sale.