Like Google, Apple also deserves an EU fine for anticompetitive practices or something

“The European Commission had solid antitrust reasons for fining Google 4.3 billion euros ($5 billion) for violations including the bundling of certain apps with the Android operating system — and for not going after Apple for similar behavior,” Leonid Bershidsky writes for Bloomberg Opinion. “Yet, from a consumer’s point of view, Apple should get the same kind of attention.”

“The most important infraction by Google in the EU ruling is the ‘illegal tying’ of its search and browser apps to the Android operating system. The search giant, the ruling said, made Android phone manufacturers preinstall its search and browser applications if they wanted to provide access to the Google Play Store, where almost all Android users get their apps,” Bershidsky writes. “That, according to the European Commission, reduced the ability of other search providers and browser developers to compete because preinstallation creates a “status-quo bias”: Users are too lazy to research alternatives to apps that are already on their new phones.”

“If Google is at fault for its de facto monopoly in Android app stores, Apple should be held to account for a similar violation,” Bershidsky writes. ” Although an Android user can easily shop in a few alternative stores (though none is a match for the Google Play Store), an iPhone user cannot go outside Apple’s App Store without ‘jailbreaking’ the phone, a process that disables operating system updates. That makes Apple a monopoly in the truest sense of the word…”

Further stupidity here.

MacDailyNews Take: Moronic blather.

What the EC fined Google for, in particular, is that Google:

• has required manufacturers to pre-install the Google Search app and browser app (Chrome), as a condition for licensing Google’s app store (the Play Store);
• made payments to certain large manufacturers and mobile network operators on condition that they exclusively pre-installed the Google Search app on their devices; and
• has prevented manufacturers wishing to pre-install Google apps from selling even a single smart mobile device running on alternative versions of Android that were not approved by Google (so-called “Android forks”).

Google breached EU antitrust rules as follow:

• Illegal tying of Google’s search and browser apps
• Illegal payments conditional on exclusive pre-installation of Google Search
• Illegal obstruction of development and distribution of competing Android operating systems

Apple, of course, is not guilty of any such breaches.

Anyone who suggests “Apple needs to be fined, too” doesn’t understand the EC’s ruling, basic antitrust law, or even the yawning differences between Google’s and Apple’s smartphone business models.

On every iPhone, iPod touch, iPad, and iPad mini box, the potential buyer is informed of requirements, including “iTunes X.x or later required for some features” and also that an “iTunes Store account” is required. The plaintiffs were informed of the requirements prior to purchase. If the plaintiffs didn’t like the terms that came along with Apple devices, they should have opted for a pretend iPhone from any dime-a-dozen Android fork handset assembler. Then they could blissfully infest their fake iPhones with malware from a variety of fragmandroid app cesspools.

SEE ALSO:
Why Google owes the European Union $5 billion – July 18, 2018
EU hits Google with record €4.34 billion fine for abusing market dominance – July 18, 2018
US DOJ sides with Apple over App Store antitrust allegations in Supreme Court brief – May 10, 2018

91 Comments

  1. “Moronic Blather”

    A wise man, Curley Howard, once said… “I resemble that remark”!

    Definitely not a lawyer. Based on what we’ve been told over the years, there is no defense of Apple that does not also apply to MS or Google. I defend none of them, but whatever MS did anticompetively, Apple did worse. And MS should have IMO been busted up!

    Or did MS not code their own OS… they never dictated what would run, and were busted for private function calls. Applemforbids “duplicating functionality” which includes improving functionality.

    1. Go buy a Volvo and insist they fit a BMW engine. You can’t because they don’t have to, it’s their product.

      When Ford make a deal with Shell that only their petrol will work or pump nozzles will fit, then you can complain, because it’s illegal.

        1. Exactly. You don’t have to a lawyer to recognize facts. A classic old saw in farmer country: you don’t have to be a chicken to know when an egg is rotten …

    2. applecynic, it seems overwhelmingly likely that your sour attitude is permanent. But I will offer a consideration for you to ponder.

      Apple develops and installs its own operating system (iOS) on its own devices that it designs. All of this is tied together with the App Store, iCloud, etc. That is Apple’s iOS ecosystem, its so-called “Walled Garden.” Therefore, Apple is fundamentally different from Google/Android.

      I could take this argument further and provide a decomposition and comparison/contrast of the various factors, but your should really do that thinking on your own. Because, if you can’t, then reading a logical argument from me (or anyone else) will do you no good at all. Some people truly seem to be incorrigible – you may be one of those along with Fwhatever, kent, and others on this forum.

      1. Starts out with a personal attack and ends with several personal attacks, how humane of you.

        “iOS ecosystem, its so-called “Walled Garden.” Therefore, Apple is fundamentally different from Google/Android.”

        Yes, they both have so called monopolies — it’s just that they operate them differently. That is it in a nutshell. If you are going to fine one it is only fair to fine the other.

        The EU is mostly cash strapped socialist liberal nations anyway going after big business bucks like their counterparts in the U.S.

        I have NO PROBLEM with the way Google and Apple does business if it works for them. This feels and seems like more of a money grab shakedown then anything. Doubt they are going to change the way they do business regardless of the outcome …

        1. “Yes, they both have so called monopolies — it’s just that they operate them differently. That is it in a nutshell. If you are going to fine one it is only fair to fine the other.”

          Don Adams voice…
          “The old double yardstick trick! He missed it by ‘that’ much!”

      2. Starts out with a personal attack and ends with several personal attacks, how humane of you.

        “iOS ecosystem, its so-called “Walled Garden.” Therefore, Apple is fundamentally different from Google/Android.”

        Yes, they both have so called monopolies — it’s just that they operate them differently. That is it in a nutshell. If you are going to fine one it is only fair to fine the other.

        The EU is mostly cash strapped socialist liberal nations anyway going after big business bucks like their counterparts in the U.S.

        I have NO PROBLEM with the way Google and Apple does business if it works for them. This feels and seems like more of a money grab shakedown than anything. Doubt they are going to change the way they do business regardless of the outcome …

      3. I reject the notion of the forced bundling. Mel, the Supreme Court is looking at this. Now, this is the same court that upheld Citizens United, so I don’t have very high hopes.

        The EU may actually feel differently.
        But don’t fret, should Apple ever lose such a case it will only slightly, if at all impact shareholders. Your life need not change, and mine, as a user, will improve.

        1. “the Supreme Court is looking at this”

          The Supreme Court is looking at whether there are even grounds for a case at all. You’re making it sound like the Supreme Court is going to decide the case. That is false.

          1. no it is a 100% accurate statement. it has everything to do with an extrapolation on your part jumping to the wrong conclusion and not taking it for what it is on face value

            facts matter: 0
            applecynic: 1

            1. In the context of applecynic’s response to KingMel it is clear applecynic was trying to make it sound as if this is a serious matter and the Supreme Court has to look at it gasp! That’s not true. The Supreme Court is looking at whether this should just be dismissed completely and agreed to do that after Apple asked for this.

            2. no for the second time you are misinterpreting what ac said and putting out as fact something else. we both know what the court is looking at sans the detail you provided and we did not

              your words: “The Supreme Court is looking at”

              applecynic: “the Supreme Court is looking at.”

              case closed but I don’t expect you to admit putting words in his mouth get your facts straight next time

            3. “we both know what the court is looking at sans the detail you provided”

              Good. Then we are all agreed that this is not a serious matter and all that is happening is that the Supreme Court has agreed to look at Apple’s request to dismiss the case. Yes?

            4. be glad to answer your deflection question when you admit rush to judgement misinterpretation and putting words in ac’s mouth. this is your third opportunity but I suspect hubris and ego is too strong in this one

            5. You should learn to write in a different voice. I pushed you far enough in the other direction that now you have no choice but to agree with me. That is why it is you who has deflected and won’t admit that what the Supreme Court is considering here is a simple dismissing of the case.

            6. “you should learn to admit several mistakes mr. hubris.”

              It was all done on purpose mr. you know who. It worked. You’re deflecting like crazy.

            7. more deflection. making several mistakes on your part was done on purpose. not admitting your mistakes was done on purpose. what worked was exposing your incapacity for accuracy and hubris and I did not have to push you did it on your own

            8. “more deflection. making several mistakes on your part was done on purpose. not admitting your mistakes was done on purpose.”

              Let me spell it out for you since you seem pretty dense.

              Step 1: Put forth my statement of what applecynic meant with his comment.

              Step 2: Explain in more detail what I think applecynic meant.

              Step 3: Wait for you bozos to disagree with me which means you DO NOT think this case is a serious matter and all the Supreme Court is doing is agreeing to Apple’s request to look at dismissing the case outright.

              Step 4: Laugh at both of you as you finally realize you now can’t do anything but deflect because you don’t want to agree with me but by continuing to disagree with me you’re admitting my point of view is the correct one.

              You are also wrong that made multiple mistakes. I only ever did one thing and that was put forth the notion that applecynic/you were saying this case was very serious and the Supreme Court gasp! had to look at it gasp!

              Swish! That’s the game folks!

            9. You know all about “dense.”

              earlier post your words: “The Supreme Court is looking at”
              applecynic: “the Supreme Court is looking at.”

              identical

              i took it on face value exactly how it was intended. but you went much further through misinterpretation and extrapolation giving it a whole new meaning that clearly does not exist except in your mind. I pointed it out three posts but you are still too dense to realize and you proved it twice below in step 1&2.

              “Step 1: Put forth my statement of what applecynic meant with his comment.
              Step 2: Explain in more detail what I think applecynic meant.”

              finally admitted your own guilt
              misinterpretation: guilty
              extrapolation: guilty
              adding false meaning to a comment: guilty
              putting thoughts in other peoples head: guilty
              putting words in other peoples mouth: guilty
              your honor because of my clients admission we ask for leniency

              game over man. now run along now sonny mama’s calling

            10. @Facts Matter

              1) What a douche!

              2) Like I said the Supreme Court is looking at it. I call that a BIG DEAL. They may actually sell out to the corporate interest, it’s still THE SUPREME COURT judging whether plaintiffs have basis to file suit, not even the merits of the case. This because Apple claims it’s not the direct seller, so consumers have no basis to sue.

              3) What a douche!

              4) Should this trial not go forward, over the technicality of whether plaintiffs have basis, it still does not prevent a future trial over the merits. If Apple is not the direct seller, they are still preventing other sellers, direct, or not!

              5) Still a douche.

              6) Anyway, this is about what the EU may do, and they don’t put up with corporate shenanigans in the same way as the US.

              So feel free to self proclaim victory. The douche is all on you!

            11. most excellent rebuttal on all counts. now FALSE MATTERS is claiming victory saying you agreed with him. admittedly dense poster incapable of telling the truth covering up for his mistakes post after post. obvious to all caught red handed petulant child screaming thats not hand in the cookie jar mummy. have to admit I have never seen anything like it that’s why i’m having fun

            12. “game over man. now run along now sonny mama’s calling”

              So sorry. You should read applecynic’s latest comment where he got so mad he admitted my very first comment was right.

              Night night loser.

            13. you don’t listen false facts matter. applecynic said no such thing. told you so several times and yet still LIE again and again to cover up. you were caught red handed and are way too immature to admit when you are wrong. you fool no one with the exception of yourself. snarky name calling is also very childish because that’s all you have in addition to deflection and lying. run home sonny and tell mummy what you did.

            14. “that’s all you have in addition to deflection and lying”

              You said over and over I was deflecting. Now you’ve changed your tune? Make up your mind. So sad all you can do is deflect. I didn’t deflect. I laid out in detail what went down and how I owned you. Now all you do is deflect deflect deflect. You are so worried about how you got owned that you can’t stop replying and trying to rewrite history. Sad deflecting contrarian is sad.

            15. you pushed me and now you own me??? LOL!!! now you have moved from misinterpreting ac’s posts to misinterpreting mine. knew it was only a matter of time for the arrogant clueless. btw not your slave and you own NOTHING certainly not me. if facts matter they you should not make up fairy tales and lie. keep it up sonny I push you to put your foot in your mouth post after post absolutely hilarious. you win the gold medal here for hubris. you need to look it up.

            16. “btw not your slave and you own NOTHING certainly not me”

              You prove otherwise by replying again and again and again. You have been owned. Keep on replying and proving it. Thanks.

            17. “You prove otherwise by replying again and again and again. You have been owned. Keep on replying and proving it.“

              you have it completely backwards I OWN YOU to keep replying. and the more you do the more ridiculous and unhinged you are becoming. did you look up hubris yet? probably not you are incapable of looking in the mirror

            18. “you have it completely backwards I OWN YOU to keep replying”

              Oh wow. Did you really just reply with the equivalent of ‘I know you are but what am I?’

              Keep it coming and keep on proving me right.

            19. “record time for a reply proves WOW DO I OWN YOU”

              No. I happen to be online right now. Once again you reply with ‘I know you are but what am I?’

              Don’t you have anything else? Don’t expect a quick reply this time though I have other things to do. I’ll check back tomorrow for your inevitable reply that proves me right yet again.

            20. I OWN YOU so it’s time to set a new record for you to reply to me in less than a minute. you can do it I know you have it in you

            21. “obvious you lied saying you would check back tomorrow.”

              Oh my. I got caught on a business call and didn’t leave the house until a bit later than expected. Simply killed some time on the call checking back and replying.

              You don’t seem to realize what it says about you that you are the one who kept checking back to see where and when I replied. Sad really. Proves how much you’ve been owned. You can’t stop checking and now you are grasping at straws desperately.

            22. “I OWN YOU so it’s time to set a new record for you to reply to me in less than a minute.”

              It’s quite funny that you don’t understand that by replying and saying over and over again that you own me you just keep proving the opposite. Let’s keep going. Keep on proving me right.

            23. “I OWN YOU so it’s time to set a new record for you to reply to me in less than a minute.”

              let’s keep going. keep on proving me right. You have a minute to break your previous record. So obvious I OWN YOU.

            24. “You have a minute to break your previous record. So obvious I OWN YOU.”

              The only thing that is obvious is how desperate you are to keep replying and saying that you own me as if you are trying to convince yourself it is true. Poor sad contrarian.

            25. “The only thing that is obvious is how desperate you are to keep replying”

              you keep saying that over and over. I have not said it ONCE. I have not discouraged you from replying ONCE. well known political tactic distract your opponent by accusing them of doing exactly what you are doing. so I read you are adding to your resume of dishonesty hey nice work.

              “and saying that you own me as if you are trying to convince yourself it is true.”

              no I know it is true and no convincing required. you on the other hand is more about deflection and denial of the obvious. prove it to you want you back here with a reply sonny pronto 😆

            26. “no I know it is true and no convincing required.”

              Tell yourself whatever you need to if that helps you sleep better. Here’s a fun fact. You were saying something about the time to reply to a comment proving you own me. Well little troll, the average time you’ve been taking to reply to me is about 90 minutes. The average time of my replies to you is about 7 hours. What was that about someone owning someone? Just using your own measure. I guess you didn’t think that one through ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

              Keep on replying. Better wait a while this time though. You don’t want to prove me right too soon.

        2. “Like I said the Supreme Court is looking at it. I call that a BIG DEAL.”

          Thank you for admitting my very first comment was correct. Now that really is the game folks!

          1. misinterpreting again what ac said has now changed into a terminal habit for FALSE FACTS. ac said NO such thing and because you are too dense for reading comprehension obvious you see only what you want to see and are incapable of admitting a mistake. ac properly ripped you as well for your false comments. congrats the depth of your stupidity just surpassed the depth of your hubris. it’s past your bedtime sonny.

            1. That’s quite the circle jerk of high fives and upvotes y’all got going on. Keep on keepin’ on. The three of you are peas in a pod. I owned your asses and now all you can do is deflect and insult. Bye!

          2. @Facts Matter

            Your idiotic first comment said it’s not a big deal.
            I later elaborated on YOUR point, something which you did not.

            All I originally said was that the Supreme Court was looking at this. You said I was overblowing it, I was not, I was stating fact. I didn’t elaborate at the time what soecifically they were looking at. It had to do with iOS App monopoly, and that is sufficient. They were looking at that.

            Then I clarified what you said over what specifically what they were looking at. The outcome of the Supreme Court decision would allow the actual trial to move forward. That’s a BIG DEAL in its own right, and impacts internet commerce in general, not just Apple. Or it will impact anti-trust law in the US. Either way, it’s a BIG DEAL.

            I stand by everything I said, especially the douche parts.

            1. you have exposed false facts matter post after post and again well done. same you have posted in the past “you can’t fix stupid.

            2. “It had to do with iOS App monopoly, and that is sufficient. They were looking at that.”

              No. That’s not what the Supreme Court is looking at. Thanks though for confirming again that I have been right all along. You DO think this is a BIG DEAL. That’s all I’ve ever said and you tried to deny it for a long time. Nice to see you telling the truth finally.

            3. “The delusion is strong with you.”

              So you don’t think this is a big deal? Make up your mind. Either you think this is a BIG DEAL all caps your words just as I originally stated meaning I was right all along or you don’t think this is a big deal and I would have been wrong to say you thought this was a big deal.

            4. congrats applecynic! I read you also OWN False Facts Matter and get him to respond again and again. it is just two easy to bait a delusional ego the size of his. and the best part is he does not realized he is being played 😆

            5. obvious you lied saying you would check back tomorrow. what a selective snide person you are. cherry pick the point that mocks your opponent for telling it like it is. here is the most important point you conveniently ignored: “but with you I feel I’m arguing down….” so true and obvious your ego can’t handle it. keep em coming pointing out someone consistently wrong for me is a summer treat

            6. That was a half truth, the o ther half is that when I argue with you I’m arguing down. That’s like beating on a toddler, so I’m gonna stop. Didn’t realize the extent of your delusion until now. Though you do remind me of a certain jackass.

            7. “Though you do remind me of a certain jackass.”

              You’re getting warmer maybe. You could say my real name involves a certain X factor and a brand of sunglasses? Are you getting it?

            8. “You could teach me everything you know, but that would require removing 90% of my brain.”

              We agree on something. If I taught you everything I know the knowledge couldn’t fit in your brain and it would explode and 90 percent of it would leak out of your ears. Glad that we found some common ground. Courageous of you to admit how small your brain capacity is.

            9. “You failed at applied math concepts too…”

              Don’t be so hard on yourself. I know it’s easy for you to get confused. Why don’t we back it up to the beginning. To sum up I said the Supreme Court looking at the Apple case was no big deal. You didn’t want to admit that because that would mean agreeing with someone. Then I made you mad and you finally admitted it was a big deal IN ALL CAPS. I was right all along about what you really thought about the issue. I understand why you don’t get that though what with losing 90 percent of your brain and all.

            10. “Take your meds. You are all over the place.”

              You mad bro? You’re taking your insults to a new low. Man, I’m inside your head big time. Keep it coming. I can do this for years.

            11. “I can do this for years.”

              Of course you can. You lied, you are self righteous stupid and you take no responsibility for your errors. You somehow think that having the last response wipes all that away and makes you RIGHT?

              How self deluded and WRONG you are …

            12. “You’ve probably been an imbecile all your life….”

              Another great insult. You are at the top of your game.

              “You somehow think that having the last response wipes all that away and makes you RIGHT?”

              I’m not the one who can’t stop replying boys.

            13. “I’m not the one who can’t stop replying boys.”

              What, that’s not a REPLY!?!?!

              OBVIOUS LYING little boy has just crossed over from reality to DENIAL derangement syndrome. You fool no ONE …

    1. It’s not a monopoly if the customer exercises free choice. It’s not even illegal to have a 100% market share. It is illegal to use that monopoly to unfairly restrict the market for your competitors. Apple can have 100% authority over their own product, and only allow one App Store on their device. Similarly, Google could only allow the installation for the Google store on their phones, that’s not a monopoly. What Google did was use their market share to require and enforce exclusive deals with other manufacturers. That’s the difference between here’s the product we sell, take it or leave it, and all your phone belong to us. Google didn’t sell the user anything, their customer is the manufacturer, and they restricted their customer from exercising free choice when it came to search, apps, and OS.

      1. Don’t bore me with facts and logic! I am applepsycho! All knowing! All seeing! Did I mention all knowing? Apple baaaaaaaad! Me no like Apple! Applemforbids!

          1. applecynic, you are the expert in alternative facts. The App Store has 100% of the iOS market for selling iOS apps. Sideloading has 100% of the iOS market for side loaded apps. Jailbreaking has 100% of the iOS market for jailbroken apps. Sideloading and jailbreaking share 100% of the iOS market for pirate apps.

            Applecynic is just one giant alternative fat. No law degree required. Fact. And you are fuct.

            1. There is no side loading that’s not permitted by Apple. They can revoke it at any time. Jailbreaking is something Apple keeps removing with every update.

              Now stop speaking through your alternate orifice.

      2. you can also choose to go in or opt out for google no difference there although there is a difference how they conduct business, apple to apple and google to partners, both offer exclusive software to their platform both chose search both prefer or restrict apps that will make them stronger. both are monopolies in their own right

  2. Apple sells the customer a product. Buy it or don’t.

    Google goes to every other phone manufacturer and:
    1. Requires unrelated preloaded software to enter their store.
    2. Paid them to only preload unnecessary Google software.
    3. Forbid them from using using an alternative to their software on any other phones.

    Google gave their OS away for free, making it impossible for manufacturers to compete on price if they were spending money to develop their own OS. Once everyone is using Android, google pays them to preload google search, generating ad revenue fuel for their web search monopoly, while making it impossible for search competitors to compete on mobile. Once manufacturers are dependent on Android software to compete, they forbid them from using alternatives on new phones, making it impossible for competitors to market their own OS. Once manufacturers are dependent on their OS, and there is no market for competing OS, they can require their own apps to be installed, before they allow access to a store to buy alternatives, making it impossible for app developers to sell their apps unless google apps are already there.

    Follow the trail and you can see exactly how google formed a monopoly, not through competition but by giving Android away for free, and then exploited that monopoly to further entrench that monopoly. Apple has never gone to a manufacturer and paid them to pre-install Apple Music, forbid them from pre-installing Spotify, or require them to pre-install Calculator in order to have access to Apple Music.

  3. Porsche, BMW. and Apple, have a monopoly on their product. And why is Apple doing any business with Google, Amazon or Samsung use that wasted 100 billion dollar buyback money to get free, make them pay the true cost of claiming they equal to you in the tech business.

    1. No, automakers do not have a monopoly over their products. They have tried and, because of strong competition, have failed to make their products as constrained as Apple does.

      – spare parts and repairs can come from independent sources. Apple has intentionally tried, more successfully than automakers, to kill off non-Apple repairs and parts
      -auto design is made for at least 5-10 years usable life, and therefore maintenance items are accessible to people without specific company-granted access. Apple pushes 2.5 year products with AppleCare, trying to railroad the user into expensive Apple service, thanks to glued screens and soldered commodity parts
      – for most cars you don’t have to pay a subscription to keep it running (you can opt out of the overpriced navigation and satellite radio). With iOS, it’s mandatory and Apple is overpricing memory in Macs to force icloud there too
      – a typical car it isn’t tracked (again, say no to nav). Every Mac and iOS gadget phones home constantly
      – a car doesn’t need an internet connection to run. the fuel and oil or electric charge can come from anywhere, not just the company store. Data is the iOS fuel and Apple’s store/services, now with tricks like in-app purchasing and everything via subscription, is an attempt to monopolize all transactions an ios device makes. Jailbreaking is the only way for a power user to control all communications an iOS device makes when you’re not logged looking.
      – automakers have almost no control over auto resale. Apple can disable any iOS device remotely if it chose to do so.
      – automakers must comply to thousands more regulations, testing, certification, etc. a lot of these protect the consumer. Apple has much less regulation and has taken great leverage to extract insane costs from the consumer — most expensive RAM on the planet. Most expensive cloud storage. Most expensive movie rental. At or near the most expensive songs for purchase.

      So yes, Apple is also abusing its market position as a duopoly and monopoly market gorilla for all of its iOS stuff. Macs less so, but of course that’s why Cook doesn’t spend a dime to make the Mac great. He wants to shake down his iOS guinea pigs for all they have

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