New evidence suggests DNC hackers penetrated deeper than previously thought

“Just weeks after she started preparing opposition research files on Donald Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort last spring, Democratic National Committee consultant Alexandra Chalupa got an alarming message when she logged into her personal Yahoo email account,” Michael Isikoff reports for Yahoo News. “‘Important action required,’ read a pop-up box from a Yahoo security team that is informally known as ‘the Paranoids.’ ‘We strongly suspect that your account has been the target of state-sponsored actors.'”

“Chalupa’s message is among nearly 20,000 hacked internal DNC emails that were posted over the weekend by WikiLeaks as the Democratic Party gathered for its national convention in Philadelphia,” Isikoff reports. “Those emails have already provoked a convulsion in Democratic Party ranks, leading to the resignation of DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz in the wake of posted messages in which she and other top DNC officials privately derided Bernie Sanders and plotted to undercut his insurgent campaign against Hillary Clinton.”

“But Chalupa’s message, which had not been previously reported, stands out: It is the first indication that the reach of the hackers who penetrated the DNC has extended beyond the official email accounts of committee officials to include their private email and potentially the content on their smartphones,” Isikoff reports. “Two sources familiar with the breach said that the hackers’ reach was far more widespread than initially thought and includes personal data about big party contributors and internal “vetting” evaluations that include embarrassing comments about their business dealings (as well as gossipy internal emails about the private affairs of DNC staffers). One newly posted email discusses a prospective DNC donor’s offering to host a fundraiser with President Obama, noting that he had previously been convicted in a case involving allegations that he killed 50 horses, as part of an insurance fraud scheme. Party officials are bracing for more damaging document dumps after Labor Day.”

Read more in the full article here.

WikiLeaks founder and editor-in-chief Julian Assange
WikiLeaks founder and editor-in-chief Julian Assange
“Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange has threatened to release more Clinton e-mails he claims are so damaging that Clinton will almost certainly be arrested,” Staks Rosch writes for The Huffington Post.

“As I write this, the Democratic Convention is about to begin. The chair of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz just stepped down as the head of the DNC over the leaked e-mails showing that the DNC had apparently conspired against the Bernie Sanders campaign to hand the nomination over to Hillary Clinton,” Rosch writes. “Almost immediately after her resignation, Wasserman-Schultz was given a position within the Clinton campaign as an honorary chair. With cronyism, loyalty is rewarded even after a scandal.”

“The whole campaign will be about Clinton’s e-mail scandal, the DNC’s e-mail scandal, cronyism, and big money corruption in politics,” Rosch writes. “This was a tough primary battle and there is no doubt that Secretary Clinton won more pledge delegates but as these recent DNC e-mails have shown, the deck had been stacked against Sanders from the beginning and even with that, no SuperPAC, and little name recognition, he has prevented Clinton from getting enough pledge delegates to clinch the nomination. He would almost certainly have won the nomination if the DNC had played fair and the media had given him equal time.”

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118 Comments

  1. First 2014 √
    Then 2016 √

    Barring any black swan event from the corrupt Crooked Hillary Clinton Machine, all internal polling data to which I am privy points to: Trump-Pence in a LANDSLIDE!

      1. “Unless you have a lot of passion about this, you’re not going to survive. You’re going to give it up. So you’ve got to have an idea, or a problem or a wrong that you want to right that you’re passionate about; otherwise, you’re not going to have the perseverance to stick it through.” – Steve Jobs

        If in the very unlikely event that 2016 doesn’t work out, I’ll be “First 2018, Then 2020” and so on, if required, until the goal is achieved.

      1. This “leaking in waves” should be fun because it gives the conspirators (a party-neutral term, you pricks…) ample time to make excuses, spin away, lie, and subvert democracy even further…

        …then the next wave will bring us more leaks and convict the conspirators further.

        *gif of MJ eating popcorn in “Thriller”*

      2. I’ve been traveling all day, but I was unsurprised to log in tonight and see Comrade Botvinnik pushing the party line for Comrade Donald Fredovich Trump. Why should we be surprised that a nation run by billionaire plutocrats who hate individual rights and love squashing their critics like bugs has decided to aid the closest thing we have in America to a Russian oligarch?

        Let’s look at some to the inconsistencies exhibited in the discussion of this article:

        1. Everyone is justifiably offended because the DNC was not impartial during the primaries; the party establishment disfavored the anti-establishment candidate. The posters no longer seem bothered that the RNC did exactly the same thing. They seem similarly unbothered that the Russian Federation is actively assisting one major candidate against the other in the general election. The leak to Assange is just one symptom of that; look at the election coverage on RT News, the Russian English-language media outlet.

        2. Secretary Clinton (who, I will admit, is a deeply flawed human being) is being pilloried as a “rapist enabler” while Julian Assange is literally being nominated for a Nobel Prize. Mr. Clinton has never been charged with any criminal offense, while Mr. Assange is currently under indictment for two counts of rape in Sweden and is a fugitive evading an Interpol warrant.

        3. Secretary Clinton is being criticized for supporting an unfaithful husband who publicly humiliated her and her child by a series of notorious affairs. Meanwhile, Ivana Trump seems to be getting a pass on that. In my opinion, both women acted like most women in an abusive relationship act. The guilty parties, in both cases, are the men concerned. Only one of them is getting a pass here.

        4. Secretary Clinton is being threatened with jail for trusting her professional IT guy to create a secure server that was never provably hacked (if it had been, don’t you think her embarrassing emails would be out there with the DNC’s?). According to the FBI, out of perhaps 30,000 communications on said server, perhaps a hundred or so contained content that was classified at the time, though far fewer confidential communications were labeled as such. Mr. Snowden is being nominated here for a Medal of Freedom because—as a professional IT guy himself who had sworn to preserve official secrets—he stole tens of thousands of emails clearly marked as classified from his employer and deliberately put them on the Internet for all our national enemies to read.

        5. A lot of the posters here pose as Fourth Amendment absolutists who uphold the unbounded right to privacy of every person, even if the privacy facilitates a criminal enterprise. They are mortally offended at the notion that anyone would try to defeat the encryption on their private messages and data, even after obtaining a lawful warrant from a judge. Meanwhile, they celebrate hackers who represent at least as great a threat to privacy as the American government. I am not aware that the NSA has used any of its unlawfully acquired communications to attempt the public humiliation and ruination of any ordinary American citizen. Hackers like the DNC thieves do that as a matter of course. Mr. Assange himself states that he is dribbling out the DNC emails for maximum effect on US electoral politics. American election campaigns should be managed by Americans, not foreigners with an ax to grind.

        6. Most of our posters think that Apple is doing God’s Work by insisting on strong encryption without back doors for government snoops. Meanwhile, the same posters support a candidate who has threatened Apple with massive sanctions both for its stance on encryption and for doing exactly what he has done by relying on offshore manufacturing.

        7. Some posters here pose as conservatives. Ronald Reagan wrote “Government is not the solution, it is the problem,” and ‘’Trust me’ government asks that we concentrate our hopes and dreams on one man; that we trust him to do what’s best for us… My view of government places trust not in one person or one party, but in those values that transcend persons and parties. The trust is where it belongs — in the people.’” Meanwhile, these posters support somebody who says “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it… I have a message to every last person threatening the peace on our streets and the safety of our police: When I take the oath of office next year, I will restore law and order to our country. Believe me. Believe me.” In the entire history of America, we have never had a candidate (not even FDR) so focused on creating a strong central government under essentially one-man control. For Trump, a strong leader IS the solution, not a problem.

        To anyone who impartially reads this discussion, Comrade Botvinnik is a big-government Libtard.

            1. “America owes Julian Assange as great a debt of gratitude as it owed Lafayette.” Does this mean you think Assange is french? Think it does and definitely puts you in the low information column… or maybe you think Lafayette was Australian, either way you’re f-d.

        1. You’re singing and dancing a lot on your point number four in particular but you make a lot of good points generally.

          Thanks for taking the time.

      3. Let’s see Cheetohead’s tax returns before we get all twisted up in the “Crooked Hillary” business. Any of her violations will be minor compared the the fat boy in the ugly tower.

    1. I wonder if people are learning to write every E-mail as if everyone is reading it and you’re Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King.

      No jokes, no name calling, etc. Write your email as if the last person you want reading it is first on the distribution list.

      1. You know a lot about complete idiots.

        Like Hilliary and her denizens are NOT UNDER the spell of celebrities, academia and the media?

        If you are a thinking person, it is obvious the Dumbocrats are experts at doing everything they blame on the other side.

        They are SHAMELESS AND CLUELESS. Please pay attention!!!

        1. “You know a lot about complete idiots.”

          Indeed, I do. Unfortunately, I work in an environment that includes many who identify as a “conservative” Republican. They are typically low-information voters driven only by what their interpretation of religious doctrine tells them to think or intellectual laziness or, as appears to be the case most of the time, both.

          1. You did not disagree with anything in my post — because you know it’s true.

            Now to address your pivot to paint with the same brush ALL conservatives are low information.

            Nothing could be further from the truth.

            The LIBTARDS that I know CANNOT RATIONALLY DISCUSS ANY ISSUE. Got that?

            All I get and all they got is memorized and repeated empty dogma over and over. Ask an intelligent question and their eyes glaze over. Critical thinking is NOT a strong suit in the liberal universe.

            So, I take it back — you know NOTHING about idiots!

    2. First of all, Fwhatever, it ain’t gonna happen. You will have to change your name once again. Second, you had better hope that the hackers don’t get into Trump’s emails because that would undoubted cause a major uproar. Given what he says in public hole on camera, I cringe to think of what he has stated in emails that he though we’re private communications.

      I am no fan of Hillary Clinton and I certainly wish there were a viable option. But Trump isn’t it. I grew up watching that slimy guy and I would not vote for him ever. The GOP picked just about the crappiest candidate possible next to Cruz.

      1. First of all, KingSmell, it’s GOING TO HAPPEN IN A LANDSLIDE.

        CLINTON CORRUPTION will LOSE!

        And spare us the fantasy wishes of hacking Trump e-mail for the same level of corruption.

        And tell us again how you dislike Hilliary in a transparent attempt to PRETEND to act fair. You are fooling NO ONE.

        You have NO CREDIBILITY, nuff said.

      2. Agree Mel. Cruz would have actually been a worse choice than Trump. Scraping the bottom of the barrel instead of the cream at the top. I’m not a God fearing man but, “God help us all in this whacky political year!”

    1. This kind of thing weighs heavily on Democrats as it exposed the deep level of hypocrisy built into their rhetoric. It also shows the world who they really are, which is anything but the “inclusive” and “tolerant” people they pretend to be. The party is a scam and wherever it goes, pieces of America die.

      While it should be surprising that they would plant people to act as disrupters at Trump events or look for ways to use anti-semitism against Sanders, it is not. They have been and always will be the single most racist institution in this country, and without a doubt the least moral.

      They are the body of people who most desire that I be judged by the color of my skin, or my gender, or my religion over the content of my character. It’s who they are.

      So when these kinds of stones get thrown, they have much more to lose. Without the bodies of lies they construct their image on, they are nothing.

      1. If only they could be more like the noble Trump… batshit crazy Bachmann… let’s set up a theocracy (any number of them)… the thoroughly ethical and not at all hypocritical Chris Christie and many more examples of fine human beings.

        1. I guess KM you have not been paying attention to the administration in charge of Washington the last eight years. Hmm?!?

          Yeah, Hilliary will continue another four years of the current course, and after 12 years of the same old, same old lofty empty platitude rhetoric BS — you KNOW IT — NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

  2. I suspect Debbie Wasserman-Schultz resigned so quickly because she knew that if they had all the emails there were some huge bombs yet to come. I expect huge bombs to come, including a whopper or two very close to the election.

    I feel like we’re watching two gorillas hurling shit at each other; winner gets to be leader of the free world.

    1. Bro, she resigned because she was paid to. That’s what whores do.

      Who would hire a public figure mired in corruption related an email scandal?

      Hillary Clinton.

      They can relate to each other.

      1. Ahem. You obviously don’t know how dangerous a friend is when they are “kicked out of the club.”

        They can turn on you; send out the thugs, the leaks, the reporters, the Feds.

        You keep your members of the mob real close; unless of course they die.

  3. “Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange has threatened to release more Clinton e-mails he claims are so damaging that Clinton will almost certainly be arrested,” Staks Rosch writes for The Huffington Post.”

    I hope that’s true. The Clintons are both crooks with Bill being a sexual deviant while with Lewinski. ANYBODY BUT HILLARY.

      1. Married U.S President vs. 22 year old intern who worked for him. No power imbalance there.

        Bill always chose someone other than Hillary. Shouldn’t you?

  4. The media coverage of the Republican primaries also spelled doom for anyone not Donald Trump. It’s hard to get traction when the press gives 90% of its airtime to one candidate who happens to be your competitor.

    1. With 99% of the mainstream media for Hilary, are you delusional to think that it’s the other way around?

      The German shooter over the weekend had Iranian parents and he shot white people and planned it for a year. But the press downplayed it as just a disturbed nut.

      Then a Syrian asylum seeker gets rejected and blows himself up at the entrance of a concert hall and it’s downplayed by the liberal media because that would support Donald Trump’s position and hurt Hillary. The press downplayed it again as just a single nut. Sorry, you don’t get suicide vests at Walmart, you get them from terrorist cells.

      Obama was about to downplay the Orlando killer as just a nut against gays when at the last moment he had to cancel and delay his press conference because the terrorist was smart enough to call 911 to make it clear it was a terrorist attack.

      Obama, the Democrats and Hillary are pressuring the narrative against terrorist attacks because if offends Muslims. How many more time do we have to hear Obama defend Islam even though the entire Middle East is destroyed because of this crazy ideology and religion gone astray and his policies defending the Muslim Brotherhood and the Arab Spring?

      If you think that 90% of the media is for Trump, you’re a lost cause, Spark. Or did I misunderstand your position?

      1. The media is pushing Trump right now because they MUST have something really bad that they are holding and will hit the headlines at the most opportune moment to take down Trump.
        By doing this, they ignore any real 3rd party choices, general public don’t hear about other choices and assume it’s only Trump or Clinton.

        Don’t overestimate the lying news media to control this election.
        Very sad, but most likely true.

      2. You misunderstood my position. The last sentence in the story above reads, “He would almost certainly have won the nomination if the DNC had played fair and the media had given him equal time.”

        The author was asserting that the media cover balance played a part in Sander’s losing to Hillary. I was trying to note that in the Republican primaries all the candidates who were not Trump also had trouble because of media coverage imbalance. My point being that the media’s decisions on how to cover elections plays an inordinately powerful roll. So, while we obsess over the roll played by party bosses in the DNC and RNC, the press quietly trumps (no pun) them all in having the power to affect what voters do.

        1. Thanks for clarifying your position, Spark.

          I’ve always thought that if the press wants to enjoy the freedoms they do, there should be standards adhered to and a legal type bar that reporters could be called to the carpet and having to prove their positions as “news” instead of opinion.

          There should be a panel like a legal Bar where journalists could lose their job for misleading the public with wild unproven allegations and if a press organization persisted in presenting opinions as news that they could lose their license. They get away with murder today.

          I was for the Democrats for over 40 years. I listed to Trump, once, twice and then ongoing. The so-called press lied and lied and lied about his positions over and over again. There’s no doubt that Trump isn’t a career politician, stumbles and speaks his mind too much, but his general messages are right for this time in many ways.

          But I never knew how screwed up the mainstream press really was until I lived on the other side for a few months. The liberal media is so one-sided that I can’t even listen to Hillary speak. Times most certainly change, even for me who though could never disagree with Republicans on anything. .

          1. The press is NOT liberal… unless your standard for “in the middle” is Fox. The owners of the media are members of the ultra-rich, with heavy conservative leanings.

            E.g. if the media were liberal, they would have been giving Bernie waaaay more coverage than they did.

            1. You are delusional. Over 90% of the big media are Democrats. They have been working overtime covering for HIllary, the “anointed one.” The released emails show the collusion between media and the DNC clearly. It is an alliance of corruption.

          2. I spent spent 30 years actively involved in politics. It’s become so irrational that I can’t can no longer get invested. Willful ignorance and complete refusal to follow a logical argument by so many have worn my patience down. The media no longer make an attempt at impartiality. As a news consumer you have to now basically join a team and get fed the storylines that don’t make you feel like blowing your brains out.

  5. Hillary Clinton believes having an insecure private email server to keep her personal secrets secret is fine, the problem was getting caught. Similarly, the DNC believes it was fine to stack the political deck against Bernie Sanders, the problem is getting caught.

    It’s really sad that “hackers” are exposing corruption, not the so-called “free press”…

  6. Won’t make any difference.

    Libs will vote Hillary because they think she is wonderful and no one can ever prove her wrong and Republicans will hold their nose and vote Trump because they don’t like Hillary.

    You can’t change people’s minds. Facts, logic mean nothing anymore. It’s all about emotions and feelings.

      1. I do find it ironic and entertaining that a guy with a Republican elephant avatar is voting for a former Democrat. Trump is a RINO. And you know it’s true.

        Having said that, I admit he’s going to change the Republican party profoundly.

            1. Yeah, KingSmell. All knowing tell us the truth about the Democrat Party today. Your fantasies and inaccuracies about the Republican Party are already well known. 🐂💩

  7. The Russians hacking the US election system and then leaking documents is an act of war. This is Watergate times 1000 percent because, in this case, a foreign government has been caught stealing sensitive documents, which can sway the outcome of a US election. And even though US elections are a messy affair, they are sacred ground. For me, this is no different than the Russian military deficating on the graves at Arlington. No matter Democrat or Republican, white or black, European or American, this is an attack on our freedoms. Something must be done. This should not stand.

    I think a measured response is fully justified, but should not lead to WW 3. Some ideas could include hurling a very large Rod of God or asteroid weapon and destroying Russian ports in Crimea, knocking out the electricity in Moscow using an EMP, closing the Bosporus Straights, expelling all Russian born citizens out of North America and Europe, etc.

    The Russians wish to take away any remaining freedom we have left, and as a people we have to unite and thwart their aggression.

    1. You sound silly blaming the messenger because you don’t like what’s in the messages. The problem isn’t Russian hackers. They didn’t write the emails, they only exposed them.

      Crooked Hillary, indeed.

      1. Fwhatever, let’s see the same response from you after the RNC mail servers are hacked, or after Trump’s emails are exposed. There are many sordid secrets lurking in the Republican side of the aisle, too. I would love to see Cheney’s emails, Dubya’s too. If you believe that hypocrisy and corruption exist only in the Demoncratic party, then you are a sad, deluded little man. Of course, that was already clear to most people.

    2. Are you for real?

      All it proves is that Hillary’s email server was likely hacked if the DNC’s was. It just makes the case that she shouldn’t be the President because of her poor judgment and illegal behavior.

      I hope that the Russians, or whoever is behind the hack, releases some mind bending emails from Hillary’s server in September or October and take her out of contention.

      Destroying Crimea ports? Seriously, some Democrats have lost their way with hysteria.

      1. I’m an Independent, not a Democrat. I supported Reagan, but not Bush. I voted for Perot, but not Clinton. Branches of my lineage go back to the very founders of America. I care deeply about freedom, and take great offense to ANY foreign entity meddling in our sovereign rights of self-determination.

        1. The fact is, the Democrats made these statement that you don’t want to hear. And, there’s absolutely no “proof” it was Russians. It makes for a nice rant, but it’s one the Democrats want repeated for sympathy. It’s time for the US. to outsmart hackers.

          Until such time, the DNC is rotten to the core even mentioning Sanders religion or lack thereof. Shame on them.

        2. Then it means that you LOVE THE FACT that the Clinton Foundation entities receive giant bribes from Wahhabi/Salafist terrorist nests such the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Qatar?

          The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that coordinated with the State Department in use of Wahhabi/Salafist terrorists in Libya to destroy that peaceful secular non-sectarian country (with the highest standard of living in Africa at the time).

          And they continue to do so in Syria, so Hillary already said she would try to install a no fly zone over there to bring us all closer the WWIII, to ensure the safety of “moderate rebels” that once in a while praise Osama Bin Laden, vow to commit genocide against minorities, cage women and chop off heads of 11 year old boys — all along with the goal to install a tyrannical theocracy there for the sake of breaking “the axis of Shia evil” that is Lebanon-Syria-Iran.

          1. I’m trying to ignore most of the foolishness here, but the notion that the Khadaffi regime was running a peaceful secular non-sectarian country is somewhere far beyond delusional. It was a brutal dictatorship that exported terror wholesale, including the bombing of US-registered airliners. The state was driven by its leader’s strongly religious, if somewhat unorthodox, pan-Islamist ideology. The collapse of the country is due to his singular failure to create any national institutions apart from a cult of personality centered on himself. Once he was gone, there was nothing but anarchy to replace him.

            Much the same thing is going on in Syria and Iraq—the Assads and Saddam Hussain created nations unable to govern themselves without their brutal dictatorial control. As in Libya, the local democratic traditions and movements are simply too weak to withstand the vying religious extremists (some of whom are really just Saudi or Iranian proxies), who are themselves unable to maintain control without the use of terror.

            States that are centered on one-man rule are inherently unstable, because no man is immortal. Ancient monarchies survived through succession crises because their continuing institutions were recognized as legitimate by the governed. Republican governments require a separation of powers between autonomous institutions that can maintain the checks and balances necessary to prevent a decline into one-man rule. That is why we should be afraid of anyone who attacks judicial and legislative independence and offers himself as the personal solution to all our problems.

            1. Yes, by 2011 Qaddafi’s regime was peaceful, there were no mass executions or any atrocious acts like that happening, and yes, Libya was a secular non-sectarian country.

              And the ideology of Qaddafi was not pan-Islamist, it was pan-African. He has proposed to create a single currency for the continent, similar to Euro for Europe.

  8. All you righties just calm down. Trump is a certifiable lunatic! I’ll take Hillary any day. So many investigations, tens of millions of taxpayer dollars wasted FBI investigations and not a single actual arrest or even anything close to an arrest. Obviously you righties have been trying to destroy Hillary since before Bill was President. It has not worked and all signs point to a Democratic landslide. You cannot seriously think Trump is going to win. He is the biggest fraud on the planet. Had you righties gone with someone sane and sensible like Bush or Katich it would have been an easy win. Instead you went further off the rails and picked a Putin puppet.

        1. Hillary has not had a press conference since December 15, 2015. She has been lying so much, she refuses to entertain any questions that may force her to explain her lies.
          She has been lying about her server and the government secrets that she compromised for months now. These are bold-faced, certifiable lies; not just hyperbole.

          1. Indeed. But of course the hypocrisy is that the Republican alternative, Mr. Trump, is also a liar. He pulls ‘facts’ out of this, that and the other orifice and they turn out to be lies.

            So who to choose?

            NEITHER.

            #NoOneToVoteFor

            IOW: No fair pretending both candidates aren’t outright liars.

    1. What’s funny about this is that many key Republican leaders openly tried to thwart Trump’s nomination. But now that’s it’s come out that the DNC leadership also tried the same with Bernie, under the table, they’re being crucified. I find the whole thing rather amusing.

      Personally, I think the Trump and Bernie supporters deserve each other. Though they’d be loath to admit it, they’re made from the same cloth.

  9. FBI have everything there for an arrest (lying to the FBI put a lowly TV star in prison) but head honcho didn’t want to suddenly swim with the fishes, so he suggests doing nothing.
    Right.
    The media don’t jump on this and raise hell like they should or like they did for a repub that was just tapping his foot in a bathroom stall?
    See the hypocrisy yet? No you probably won’t.

    1. Just imagine how the corrupt mainstream media would have treated the story if it was a Republican Sec. of State who did half of what Crooked Hillary did. It would make Watergate look like kumbaya around the campfire.

      Until the problem with the U.S. mainstream media is corrected – clear, irrefutable liberal bias – this country deserves exactly what it gets.

  10. Are they going to release hacked RNC information, to keep things fair? It seems suspect to me that an “unbiased” third party is helping the Republicans when Assange isn’t even a U.S. citizen.

  11. Between Julian and Russia I really don’t see anyone to have faith in. Did Russia simply hack the emails and pass them on without “modifications”. What modifications are the Russians working on for the next round of releases? The Russians seem too close to Trump for my comfort and I have no doubt that Putin has people working on building more hits for Deadbeat Donald.

    The biggest lesson I see here is the need to assume that all emails and texts will be public knowledge in the future. If there is anything to embarrass the writer or recipient then CALL in order to ensure there is no record.

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