“Nokia‘s new superphones will offer a superior user interface and a better, cloud-enabled experience than its chief competitors, the company’s top U.S executive told [us],” Matt Marshall reports for VentureBeat. “The reliance by Apple and Android phones on the ‘app’ as the central metaphor is ‘outdated,’ he said.”
MacDailyNews Take: Apps are “outdated” for every company that has none to offer.
Marshall reports, “Until now, many people had hoped to see Nokia’s first U.S. smartphones based on Windows Phone 7 as early as this year. But under questioning, Chris Weber, President of Nokia, head of North America, would confirm only that the phones would first hit the U.S. ‘in volume’ in 2012. He said Nokia CEO Stephen Elop had committed only to releasing a Nokia Windows Phone device ”somewhere” this year, but would not say whether this would be in more than one market or whether or not the U.S. would be included.”
MacDailyNews Take: Where are these many hopeful people? And, forget about “when,” nobody cares if they’re released or not. The main hope for Windows Phone ’07 is that Android becomes so unattractive due to its infringement of Apple’s, Oracle’s, and Jobs-knows-whose-else’s, patents that phone assemblers like Motorola, Samsung, etc. all flock to Microsoft out of desperation.
Marshall reports, “Weber called Android and the iOS phone platforms ‘outdated.’ While Apple’s iPhone, and its underlying iOS operating system, set the standard for a modern user interface with “pinch and zoom,” Weber conceded, it also forces people to download multiple applications which they then have to navigate between. There’s a lot of touching involved as you press icons or buttons to activate application features.”
“Nokia, by contrast, will offer a more seamless and efficient interface with its ‘live tiles and hubs’ approach. It does this via Microsoft’s Windows Phone operating system, where applications will be integrated into everything you do,” Marshall reports. “Still, much of this ‘hubs and tiles’ approach has been a feature of Microsoft’s Windows Phone OS since its launch about a year ago. It has yet to demonstrate significant traction, though it’s also early days still.”
MacDailyNews Take: “Live tiles and hubs” is the kind of song and dance you do when you have no ecosystem, developer support, or apps of which to speak. “Live tiles and hubs” is a 4 sq. inch. patch trying to cover an entire world of missing apps. We can clearly see what you’re trying to hide Microkia.
“‘We’re way ahead of them [Apple and Google],’ Weber said, referring to exploiting cloud technology to offer things like cross-platform services in the enterprise,” Marshall reports.
Read more bullshit from a failing company’s marketing flack in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Nokia couldn’t do it themselves, so they desperately turned to Microsoft to not only provide them a CEO, but an operating system that’s not only woefully late, but also brings precious little that’s compelling, as sales figures attest. Still, Nokia continues to have delusional executives on board who have the gall to claim Apple’s iOS is outdated and that they’re “way ahead.”
The only place where Nokia’s “way ahead” of Apple is on the road to bankruptcy. Way, way, way ahead.
Dude’s gotta be shroomin’. This sort of deluded thinking is why Nokia has been and will continue to fail hard: A fish rots from the head down.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Readers “Fred Mertz” and “N8nNC” for the heads up.]
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They is like the primal sludge calling the Dinosaur primitive!
Flow back to your lowest point there Nokia!
It is amazing the scope of the blatant gaul and disingenuous (outright false) market-speak of desperate soon to be DOA companies can be. Reminds of a poster for the movie WILLOW which said “Forget All You Know…” (PLEASE?!?) Or “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain,” or, “Never mind what you see, listen to what I’m saying…” Nokia IS a river in denial. DCW.
Nokia IS a river in denial.
Wow, scrambled metaphor.
“Denial (the Nile) ain’t just a river in Egypt”
What I expect is a Nokia spinoff that will take most of Nokia’s knowhow and patent portefolio, and leave a small part of the company behind for the new CEO and for marketing Windows 7.5 phones.
“There’s a lot of touching involved as you press icons or buttons to activate application features.””
Yes, that’s typically how you activate the program you want. How else would you do it? Mind control?
““Nokia, by contrast, will offer a more seamless and efficient interface with its ‘live tiles and hubs’ approach.”
And you DONT have to touch these things?
no, you press buttons on a tethered remote control…
Maybe use the Microsoft Indiotic Mouse that will have eight buttons, full size trackball, red clit button ala Thinkpad, slide out trackpad…
For it to be red, something is probably touching it.
They have no apps, therefore very little touching involved! They are way ahead.
In this case, FUD = Fantasy, Unreasonableness and Delusion.
Apparently Nokia has jumped from the burning platform on to the burning ship of fools.
Somehow, the name ‘Windows’ on anything makes me feel revulsive.
Revulsive? What the hell does that mean?
Color me revolted.
Control – Command – d = No entries found
“Dude’s gotta be shroomin’”
Dr. Pepper: meet LCD; LCD, Dr. Pepper.
Did you mean LSD?
“Back in the sixties he was part of the Free Speech movement at Berkeley. I think he had a little too much LDS.” —Kirk
Oh, never mind. I must have been shroomin’ too. I didn’t think you meant you spewed on your screen.
Dude? Geez! You sound like MDN?! Grow up dudes!!!
If they think the Apple iOS is outdated, why can’t they even keep up with the old technology? It will be a sad day for MS and Nokia when iOS5 comes out- they have a tough enough time trying to compete with the outdated iOS.
co-sign! 10,000%
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iOS outdated? lol how about is Symbian & MeeGo? Both DOA. Where’s YOUR OS Nokia? Oh, it’s WM7? Ok.
Is there something in the Perrier that these execs drink? What kind of bubble do they inhabit??
Those pinstripes are looking rather washed out…
Why are all the people in the companies that are loosing market share to Apple saying that what Apple is doing wont last? As I see it the key to succeeding in any business is knowing “who is your client”. After you analyze this then you know what they want even if they don’t know themselves. I think all of those who say Apple is a flash in the pan must be descendants of Emperor Nero.
loosing? what?
were they tight before?
Apostrophe please.
This reminds me of the old Abraham Lincoln quote, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.”
Mark Twain , actually!!
Solomon’s Proverbs.
Old chinese saying, “If you are going to speak, make sure it’s better then your silence”
Emil, you should have paid attention to the quote.
Maybe they have invented another paradigm and accompanying metaphors for mobile computing. But if this paradigm does not offer the same flexibility that the OS/App metaphor allows, Nokia will just have made a future addition to the Smithsonian…right next to the CP?M machine and the Commodore Amiga. People like choice in what their device does.
just my $0.02
You do have to seriously wonder if they just say this kind of thing for internal political reasons. Certainly they can’t believe this themselves or think that anyone is going to decide not to buy an iPhone because they proclaim that it is outdated.
That would just be ignorant.
”somewhere” would be Finland, I guess.
Sing along with Monty Python:
Finland, Finland, Finland, the country where I quite want to be….
How can you be “way ahead” of an “outdated iOS” but yours handset is not even out on the market? Do these CEO’s ever realize how stupid they sound and are?
And you would think Nokia should know a lot about being outdated !
So when you press a tile…. you…. wait for it…. start an app…. Isn’t that pretty much so smoke and mirrors for doing the same thing as the iOS? For example, You can enter use a physical key to enter door or you can enter a code but at the end of the day it’s doing the same thing only the interface is different. No matter what your phone does there has to be some underlying code whether it is an installed app or something in the cloud.
No dude.. this thing has “windows” in its name.. you click a “tile” and wait for an error message…. a cryptic one at that
Ok so yeah, iOS is pretty old. But the software is ageless. My three year old iPod still seems brand new, just because it has the best software.
I think that Nokia feels threat for market share of smartphone lately. that’s why they made a comment which makes no sense at all. apple’s iOS is the fastest development pace in mobile phone industry. Apple updates very quickly unlikely other shitty companies. it’s very responsible, intuitive, simple. the most important thing is that it works very well without any problem. don’t call it ‘outdated’. are they got drunken or something?
oh man, that is rich. Outdated? How about to make something in-date for once Nokia, you guys had the late 90’s early ’00s. I would say Nokia was a low cost candybar phone manufacturer that was outdated then. Then Apple drops the iPhone and every phone out there becomes out-dated in April 2007. Apple showed all the companies specializing in making phones, how to make a proper phone.
Every smart phone since than has been chasing AAPL’s phone and stock price. What they do not get, are phones are now longer fashion accessories. They have gone beyond a simple phone. Part of that is the itunes/cloud/mac ecosystem. Without that Nokia, your phone is just a fashion accessory or the anti-iPhone. No one will proudly pull their Nokia out with iPhones out. No one will buy your phone and you will be forced you give them away with BOGOs. Like all those phone companies that can not even give their phones away.
This is the biggest group of contented bodies and discontented minds
Honestly, these CEO’s are ridiculous. It’s like a drowning man pointing his finger at an olympic swimmer and telling the world the olympic swimmer doesn’t know how to swim.
How in the hell is the iOS platform outdated when practically every smartphone company in the world has been trying to copy it for the last few years. I don’t doubt that there can be other mobile OSes that have good usability for consumers, but to call iOS outdated is just plain stupid. The Live Tiles metaphor in theory seems interesting and useful but there’s no guarantee that most consumers will take to it. I thought even Stephen Elop had already said that he wanted Nokia to do a better job bring their smartphones to iPhone standards. I’m rather certain a company knows when their devices have become outdated when consumers stop buying them. Why didn’t Nokia realize that its own Symbian platform had become outdated before the major loss of market share started.
Of course it’s outdated! Any shipping system is obsolete. I’m living on the iOS 5 developer builds, and I can’t wait to see what Apple comes up with for iOS 6.
-jcr
You beat me to the punch; of course, the fact that it came from Nokia is amusing to say the least…
[i]The reliance by Apple and Android phones on the “app” as the central metaphor is “outdated,” he said.[/i]
Nokia has made a tremendous breakthrough. Every app ever conceived or ever will be conceived will run simultaneously, not only redefining the term “smart phone” but destroying the concept of infinity by squeezing everything into the confines of a small rectangle that’s thin, too. And snappy.
Or maybe the phone will call the cloud, where more servers than the universe has electrons will exist. The phone will be named Gaia.
well, this Nokia guy has to hype something, since what he has to sell now is all turing to sh*t. so here comes the Superphone! well, next year anyway. and it will be the Latest and Greatest! you won’t even need apps.
when you boil this all down, he’s talking about a new generation of smart feature phones, some very cheap. actually there could be a market for that. everyone doesn’t need all the power of a smartphone. Nokia is looking for a niche where it can at least survive.
and at least he didn’t say “magical.”
that “live tile” is useless to me if i have 10 emails to read – don’t i then need to press a button and go into an app to read all of the emails – what is the difference? i fail to see how much information a small tile can give that is useful.
Nokia is abandoning their burning platform because Stephen Elop held a high level meeting and looked at all the existing options including Nokia’s own mobile OS including Meamo, Meego and Symbian and found that the development trajectory needed to overtake or draw level with iOS would take too long. A decision was made to form an alliance with Microsoft and focus development efforts on Windows Phone 7.
Nokia then dropped the N8 model lineup from the U.S. market because the reception would be tepid at best. So they knew even before they released the N8 that they would be flattened by the Apple juggernaut. The same N8 which by the way runs on Meego that has icons displayed in a grid array similar to iOS.
The new marketing focus is to bring out a WP7 version in early 2012 by which time any argument whether WP7 is ‘more up to date’ than iOS may be moot because Nokia may not remain as a viable entity by then as they are hemorrhaging maker share and profitability faster than you can flush the remains of the night down a toilet.
Hey Nokia dude, stop hogging the chronic, you’re already way too stoned!
Nokia’s platform is so extremely advanced, they don’t even know what it is yet.
U all guys Apple pumpers…. icrap will always be an icrap… Check the technologies on the N9 and the beauty of the deice then come and talk icrap… No wonder why Apple is paying nokia 100 of millions for stealing Nokia technologies! 90% of Apps on the appstore are usless apps…Who needs farting apps? i am sure steve job does! Apple prodcuts are nothing but hyped products! craps build in china!
walid = loser.
asphinctersayswhat?
The Balmer effect. Delusional out of touch with reality has taken over Nokia. Apple didn’t take away the number 1 spot from Nokia by being “out of date”. Nokia needs to reflect on all of its “out of date” products and falling like a rock market share.
Walid is delusional as well. Apple didn’t steal anything from Nokia. There was nothing to steal. Apple did something which most companies can’t do. They innovate and actually make new products that people can use.
Single best word ever in a MDN Take “Microkia”
So, that’s the new subcompact auto from Kia, right?
hmmm… So why apple is paying Nokia 125 millions $ in royalites ever Q? I give credit for apple marketing and hyping their products…. But the Nokia N9 and upcoming WM7 based on the N9 build and techonologies will be much superior then the iphone 5! we will see when these phones are out… lets the judges (people) judge on them… I really do not care about apps and I do believe WM7 apps will increase 10 folds by mid 2012… All what i care id flexibilties in a phone, multi tasking,beauty of design, reception, quality of build, and a good browser… and Nokia has all of theat but apple…. hmmm what should i say! My friend just been complaining that she has poor receptiion on her icrap 4… Antena gate anyone?
Hey walid everyone in the mobile industry pays Nokia, and look at the facts, the agreement was due to the overpriced markup that Nokia was forcing Apple to pay.
Also it’s not every quarter. It’s a one time fee of 600 million, the rest is sealed, understand it’s no 125 million every quarter, this is something you pulled out of you tin foil hat chief.
It’s is close to thousands and not millions every quarter by the breakdowns that had been published after the 600 million payout.
And the 600 million was for back costs due to Apple not paying during the case, if they would have paid, it would have should the court they agreed to the terms.
Also remember that this case was over 2 years old, so break it down, you math fails with your pull it out of the sky fake numbers.
Nokia is the one who agreed to a set fee to stop the lawsuit the court system during its preliminary hearing had shown by Apples lawyers that Nokia was indeed unfair by charging Apple higher fees then others, Nokia wanted some of Apples patents also in the mix, Apple refused.
Apple won, Nokia only got what the fair value of the licenses are worth just like they charged everyone else also they got NONE of Apple patents.
If you would read the whole transcript of the court released transcribe you would see that Nokia agreed to a license fee that was reasonable, the only thing Apple did was pay back fees while the court case was proceeding, the documents had been sealed by the court system.
Facts are and have been reoprted that Apple made out in the deal, Nokia didn’t get a thing they wanted and was forced to grant terms to the license as they have done with all of the others.
So you have failed in whatever you are wanting to get across, other then making yourself look like a complete and utter idiot.
But that’s what you Apple haters do, make fools of yourself.
“But that’s what you Apple haters do, make fools of yourself.”
…Just a little something we learned from Apple fanboys; now go back to drinking your kool-aid…
Well you’re obviously an apple-hater as you’d rather remain an ignorant fool then do a little fact checking (a.k.a. research).
Apple is paying Nokia licensing fees, just as every other mobile phone maker that uses a GSM radio does. Apple had to force Nokia to sue them rather than deal with Nokia’s extortion in private. Apple got what they wanted. Nokia did not.
If you don’t care about apps and want to argue Nokia’s side, why would you even bother prophesying exponential gains in WP7’s app count!?
What should you say? How about, “I obviously hate Apple and LOVE Nokia, therefor my bias favoring Nokia’s devices should be outright apparent and everything they build is a gazillion times better than anything Apple EVER WILL!”
Antenna-gate. Wow! Where’d you get THAT from? You’re ONE and only (most likely) friend who has an iPhone 4. I find it hard to believe anyone YOU would be friends with would own an Apple product.
Here’s a new one you can pass around; Nokia’s Where-did-our-profit-go-gate or We-can-not-design-a-modern-operating-system-gate
FRAND ever heard of it? No, didn’t think so. Apple and Nokia fought over royalties for the technology that Nokia contributed to the 3G standard. Nokia wanted royalties up to 3x more than what other companies were paying. I think since Apple is selling 30+M devices, with probably 25M or so of the 3G variety, a quarter, if they pay Nokia $125M, then the royalty rate is $5 a device, which is what was predicted as the FRAND rate. Sounds to me that Apple won the case, and Nokia didn’t get their 3x extortion rate.
It’s simple really, Chris Weber has been hanging around Steve Ballmer too much, talk about a reality distortion field.
It just shows that the sales guys are running both companies.
iOS on the surface may appear with less EYE CANDY… but this is a simple device and most of the innovation from competitors USING ANDROID have indeed added features and ideas BUT their candy floss CONFUSES the consumers on the OVER ALL USABILITY – the eco-system to the device and the os is lost in each model and each manufacture. THEY are not innovating but GRAPHICALLY sprucing appearances more then making things SIMPLE to use and work well.
Oh hey thanks….I’m sorry…who are you again?……..ohhhh Nokia……….nokia?, nokia?……..Oh yeah! You used to be a player in the mobile handset game, riiiigghht.
So how’s that goin? AND WHAT MAKES ANY OPINION YOU HAVE ON THE MOBILE HANDSET MARKET YOU WERE SO UNCEREMONIOUSLY HANDED YOUR ASS IN!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
*worthwhile?
Be kind folks. It has to hurt when you’re a tech exec and your product is having its A$$ handed to it by an out of date, obsolete system like iOS.
Nokiaspeak…
Touching app icons is outdated, our solution is touching app tiles.
We are talking some serious innovation here
Don’t laugh. The expert in outdated technology has spoken.
@Ubermac: the tiles are a major innovation, because they reduce the need for precision on the touch screen interface, saving production costs while deceiving users into thinking they have an iPhone interface.
Whoops. I think I need medical help. I can’t stop laughing.
“Apps are outdated.” And the sales figures for Windows Phone 7 phones will demonstrate the truth of this statement!
Oh wait…
This is called projection in psychology terms. Very common to display of ones own issues onto someone else. Sad but common.
Yeah! and… and… it’s overused too!
Blimey, who is outdated? Apple or Nokia. The emperor with no clothes was finally exposed by a new kid on the block.
“Live hubs and tiles.” Getting sexy there, fella! But how you gonna rub the hubs and pile the tiles without touching, dude? Are you just gonna …er, blow at the display?
Why bother? It’ll blow all by itself.
He’s the new Captain Clueless!
iso is out dated – in terms of it looks and feels the same as it was designed since apple started. The rest have merely skinned with eye candy the android shell with confusing changes to each model and upgrade. This doesn’t set well in the long run fun users. Apples iso is strong and well suited for the long term. Maybe in ios7 apple will introduce candy for appeal.
It is Deeds… Not words.. that win the fight.
I see in my crystal balls a catastrophic car wreck in Nokia’s near future. I for one will be an ecstatic rubber necker as the BLOODBATH begins. I’ll be wearing my rain coat and goggles. 😉
Seriously, is dumbass hyperbole the best Nokia has to offer?
They got talk, they just don’t have any worthwhile products.
Why would anyone want an OS with Pit Stains.
That’s great coming from an ex-Microshaft guy…. We may be out-of-date but at least we exist !!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!
They’re “way ahead” of iOS just like Vista was “way ahead” of OSX.
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