“Apple will almost certainly wipe up Microsoft in smart phone operating system market share during third quarter [2008],” Joe Wilcox reports for eWeek’s Microsoft Watch. “That’s my conclusion after further reviewing Gartner’s smart phone OS shipment numbers for first and second quarters.”
“By even the most conservative of analyst estimates about third-quarter iPhone shipments, Apple’s OS almost certainly will push aside Windows Mobile in smart phone operating system market share. The smart phone is Windows Mobile’s core market,” Wilcox reports.
“Financial analyst estimates range anywhere from 4.4 million to 6 million iPhones shipped in third quarter. Either number would likely push Microsoft down a spot behind Apple,” Wilcox reports.
“The reversal of fortune would be perhaps a psychological blow to some Microsoft Windows Mobile product managers and one big smiley face for Apple’s iPhone team. More importantly, it’s news Apple could seize for competitive marketing purposes. Then there will be the jibes from the Apple fanboy bloggers,” Wilcox reports.
MacDailyNews Take: No need to come up with any jibes when Microsoft’s witless CEO constantly provides gems like this: “There’s no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance.” – Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, April 30, 2007
Microsoft CEO Ballmer laughs at Apple iPhone (January 17, 2007):
MacDailyNews Note: By the way, for the sake of factual information, according to the most recent numbers from NPD, July 2008, Apple iPod has 73.4%, “Other” has 15.4%, SanDisk has 8.6%, and Microsoft Zune has 2.6%.
MacDailyNews Take: Here’s another Microsoft doofus remarking about Apple’s iPhone: “We are not at all worried. We think we’ve got the one mobile platform you’ll use for the rest of your life… They are not going to catch up.”” – Scott Rockfeld, group product manager at Microsoft’s mobile communications business, April 01, 2008
Wilcox continues, “Microsoft executives harp on about choice. That’s fine if businesses or consumers choose your product. The local supermarket offers lots of choice, but I can walk to the pricier convenience store. The point: Choice is good but it’s not a market differentiator. People need good choices, and Windows Mobile doesn’t feel like one of them right now.”
Full article, which includes a chart of Gartner’s worldwide smartphone OS shipments for Q1 and Q2 2008, here.
But Microsoft is so cutting edge!
So innovative!
such good advertisers!
i am amazed monkey boy still has a job. he has been wrong and positioned M$ in the worst possible way the past 3-5 years. I am surprised there has not been any shareholder unrest and pressure to boot him.
May Ballmer serve as M$ CEO forever! Long live Monkey Boy!
cannot decide, after watching that clip again, if Ballmer is either a liar, or just clueless!
My vote is for a clueless liar.
your regular bias opinion from a Micro Soft Pro publication
Ah. Chaos amongst the 20th century tech companies. It is to be expected. That Apple though, they do have good design. There will be a place for them in the coming Cloud City.
We won’t rain on their parade, too much.
We’ll let them call their Android device and iPhone for old time’s sake.
The Goog
There Can be only one
@Webbyswim,
Let’s not stir the pot…. Perhaps Uncle Fester is doing fine just where he is.
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If M$ bought “other” and SanDisk they would have an amazing 26.6% of the of the media player market. Wow, they’d be kicking butt!!
MW: fire-as in leave Monkey Boy alone!
For as long as it takes!
Amazing what happens where MS doesn’t have deep entrenchment, and actually needs to compete on their merits.
Good times ahead, folks. Good times.
MW: spring. As in spring ahead, as in the Windows Winter is finally thawing….
If you think only Apple fans will rain on Microsoft’s when iPhone sales crush them, you’re dead wrong. I have been a Windows Mobile enthusiast for years (yes it has a lot to do with not having an alternative) and for years we’ve been told such & such improvement or feature is not worthy of a “corporate centric mobile OS”. Well, fsuck you Ballmer and snobs in the WinMo Team. Business users are no different than regular consumers, they want innovations, usability and above all simplicity.
Now that the iPhone has a vibrante developer echosystem and plenty of apps down the pipe, my next device will be an iPhone the second my contract is up for renewal.
Apple looks well positioned to not just be a player, but to completely dominate post-desktop computing. This is awesome, and historic.
“Choice” is certainly one of the more important aspects of any market. I’d hate to see the iPhone take over more than – oh – 75% of the total smartphone market? Need those others to insure choice.
Hey, I’m still waiting to see Monkey Boy ‘squirt’ his Zune in public. Any takers??
Ballmer is a salesman, not a computer geek. He will not admit to Apple beating them if at all possible.
M$ have been incredibly successful in controlling the PC market. The OS lock gave them a monopoly which is only now starting to fail. They have failed to do the same in the mobile and gaming markets and never stood a chance in the mp3 market.
The tide is turning for sure and Apple will make obscene profits as a result. Apple have over 20B in cash with a current market value of 135B. The stock market will soon realize that Apple are creating another ipod phenomenon with the iPhone AND the Mac. Time for the stock to take off again. Back in 2000 when the dotcom bubble burst Apple said they will innovate out of the recession and look what happened. We are in the same scenario now.
M$’s only option now is to milk their monopoly for as much as they can because it will not last for much longer.
Steve Balmer = the George W Bush of Tech.
Monkey Boy is an idiot. May he remain at Microsoft forever.
I think Microsoft will swalow Apple.
You know, people say us Mac users are pretentious. Watch that video. Ballmer is the epitome of it. I love that he is about to get his ass handed to him by Apple.
It’s all about market share with you MAC sheep—because you don’t have anything else. The I-Phone clearly lacks the quality, design and inviting user experience Microsoft has crafted in magnificent Windows Mobile. Now MAC is copying Microsoft with me-too applications for their dumpy phone.
Go ahead, spout off about “more software for I-Phone than WIndows Mobile” and “my I-Phone costs less than a Treo.” Whatever. Maybe in 10 years your crappy wannabe phone will be able to play games. Losers.
Your potential. Our passion.™
Ballmer pits the “Motorola Q” as an iPhone competitor?!
You’ve got to be kidding.
Reply to: Zune Tang®
LOL. It’s funny to watch the windows fanboys struggle to come up with ways that the “iPhone” (not I-Phone, lawl) is not as good as a Windows Mobile device.
“with you MAC sheep”
You start of by immediately insulting users of the Mac Computer, which has absolutely nothing to do with the iPhone vs. Windows Mobile debate. (Oh, and it’s not MAC, it’s just “Mac”. MAC is something quite different.)
“The I-Phone clearly lacks the quality, design and inviting user experience Microsoft has crafted in magnificent Windows Mobile.”
Now, let’s remove the biasism:
“The [iPhone] lacks the quality, design and inviting user experience Microsoft has crafted in Windows Mobile.”
Lacks quality, design and inviting user interface? I suppose that’s just an opinion, but I have no idea where you got it. The iPhone is gorgeous, and has a very nice UI.
Compare them:
I think the iPhone looks a lot sleeker then that Windows Mobile Device, but that’s just an opinion.
“Now MAC is copying Microsoft with me-too applications for their dumpy phone.”
Remove biasism and correct.
“Now Apple is copying Microsoft with applications for their phone.”
If you call ‘allowing users to write their own apps for the phone and share them with others’ copying, well, then it’s not just Apple that has that idea.
“Maybe in 10 years your crappy wannabe phone will be able to play games. Losers.”
Remove biasism.
“Maybe in 10 years the iPhone will be able to play games.”
Uhh, well you see, the iPhone DOES play games, and it plays very good games at that. I don’t see SPORE Origins on Windows Mobile.
“Losers.”
Actually, you just lost.
@Lomoco, ZT was being sarcastic.
w/e. I had fun writing it, so you can’t blame me for that.
@labcondave
“Steve Balmer = the George W Bush of Tech.”
Good one!
Ballmer’s words must really taste good… b/c he sure does enjoy eating them.
labcondave=the Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf of MDN feedback.
I am sorry, what is it exactly that Ballmer has done to stop terrisom on US soil again?
Did you all read the full article. The author starts out by dissing the iPod and iTunes.
“Some background: Yesterday, I couldn’t get to Nokia’s announcement about licensing Exchange ActiveSync for Symbian S60 handsets. I instead posted to Apple Watch on new iPod colors (the one new feature) and iTunes 8’s sales pushiness.”
Now, one might want to say a lot of things about the new Nanos, but colors is NOT the “one new feature”. Also, guy complains about the “clutter” on the new iTunes. I have to admit it takes some getting used to, but you can easily switch to the old style views. It’s not like you stuck using the new features. I also happen to like the Genius feature. It’s a great addition.
Am I the only one here with the impression that our Zune Tang is getting ready to abandon his nome du plume rather soon? There is this Google McCloud fellow, whose style sounds remarkably similar to Zune Tang’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a strategic move on the part of Mr. Tang, what with the imminent demise of the notorious Zune device itself, thus making the Zune Tang name rather, well, anachronistic. He seems to believe (correctly) that Google stands to outlive MS Zune by a long shot, thus he might be better off switching his satire in that direction.
Should this be the case, Welcome Mr. McCloud. Please make sure your wit remains at least at the same level of Mr. Tang’s, as it occasionally provided quite a lot of amusement for the regulars here.
BlackWolf:
Precisely as much as Mr. Bush. There’s the original point of the comparison!
Now all Apple needs to do now is somehow break the RIM monopoly in business. But that is also controlled by IT types also.
When does Bill G. joins the Apple-Google board of Directors ..?
I’m guessing there’s a lot of commenters on MDN that will just love Obama Waffles.
Especially TowerTone.
Just to state the obvious here – when Apple passes winmob market share, they will have done so by selling millions of DEVICES.
Not merely OS licenses, this is a far more impressive achievement.
@Predrag
I can list a few foiled attempts that were stopped in the last 7 years, please name a sucessful one?
Also, how has Ballmer brought freedom(slow and painful as it might be) to 50 million oppressed people, including but not limited to the general freedom to gripe and complain, the freedom of religion, the freedom of womens rights, the freedom to pursue education, the freedom of the press, the freedom to earn, keep, and spend ones own money.
We might not like it (or the people who had to step up afterwords)but 9-11 was a game changer. Everything before that was old school, it’s a whole new world out there.
To get back to the artical, (gosh I need to learn how to spell), those who keep doing what they always have will keep getting what they always have. ie; if Ballmer & crew keep playing catch up they will continue to loose market share. If Job & crew keep innovating they will keep growing.
It makes me wonder what young upstart will come along in 20 years and knock entrenched and old crusty Apple off?
Now if Apple will reach out to 3rd party Enterprise software vendors and work to make their software compatible with the iPhone and get off their butts and give the iPhone the ability to edit Word and Excel documents… Windows Mobile would officially die. This would allow mature business firms the ability to choose the iPhone. RIght now big business firms can’t choose the iPhone because it is not Enterprise friendly.
…with lots of syrup.
It’s hard to believe that some of us still don’t get ZuneTang.
I still think it’s time that Apple consider licensing their OS. One or 2 really good MFG’s out there would blanket the market and hasten the demise of M$. HP as a licensee in computers would burst open the enterprise market. A strong co-mfger in the phone base would be a boon to counter the moves of RIM. Apple likes a tight hardware lineup, but there’s lot’s of uncovered market in there that M$ and others are just cleaning up in and continues to hinder mindshare and market share for Apple software and hardware. No keyboard for the iPhone is another good example. Let another mfg offer one. Apple doesn’t have to change it’s design, but let’s face it, there’s a large pocket of users who want that. Why not let someone else go after it, and make some money off that effort to boot?
@ BlackWolf
Since when should we be bringing freedom to other people. Like anything else, you have to earn it to really appreciate it. Who brought freedom to the USA? We should support efforts, but I think it’s bullcrap, and hasten’s the demise of the USA to use our resources and american lives to earn someone else’s freedoms. The iraq people won’t even pay the bill out of their ill gotten oil profits to “PAY” for the freedom we are providing. I think somehow the oxygen to washington dc got cut off for an extended period. No other way to explain our current policies.
Sorry to go off on the political front, I can usually avoid the trap, but as I watch hurricane IKE devastate Texas, and I know our “friends” in iraq will never ever help us out in our hours of need, unless we kneel and pray to Mohammed.
Steve Ballmer = the Gore of Tech
Steve Ballmer = the Kerry of Tech
Steve Ballmer = the Obama of Tech
In other words, the big loser, the arrogant loser, the racist loser.
@chaz,
Iraqis don’t have safe drinking water or reliable supplies of electricity. They are far worse off than folks in Ike’s path. Why in the world would we expect them to come to our aid when they have been living with bombings, assassinations, etc., for five-and-a-half years?
@Arnold.
exactly. thats like asking guatemala to help you guys with your homeless.
@who ever said the bush thing about preventing terrorism.
i have been handing out anti-terrorism rocks for five years. it has proved effective and thus i will take credit for the lack of terrorism in north america. just like homer simpson’s stealth fighter bear patrol help fend off wild bears in springfield.
Yes, sadly, must be a real moron.
So, when you have nothing to counter with, resort to name-calling.
Other facts you might not be aware of: 2 million Iraqis have left Iraq because of the violence and another 2 million have been displaced within their country. That would be the equivalent of 50 million Americans losing their homes.
Number of Iraqis involved in the attacks of 9/11: 0 (zero)
Administration in charge when 9/11 attacks occurred: Bush
Amount spent by US in Iraq War per Iraqi: ~$22,000
Number of Iraqi civilians killed in July/August ’08:
6,600 (equivalent to losing 79,000 Americans)
Bring it on, name callers!
Damn, and I thought the cup was half full.
But then again, I’m an optimist….
@Arnold
I’ll tell you one thing at which the Bush Administration has been very successful: Brainwashing millions of people like BlackWolf into thinking somehow the loss of lives and loss of economic stability is worth whatever the hell we are doing in Iraq. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
@ chaz
My my what wonderfully dumb comments you made. Talk about bitting the hand that freed you. Let’s have a look see.
“Since when should we be bringing freedom to other people.” My reply would be when they are ready for it and frankly the Iraqi people under Saddam were far from ready for it. So while don’t you haul your sorry ass out of there? Because simply put you are now a terrorist alliance known as AENUS (Australian, England ‘N United States). So you are not bringing freedom to anyone, rather you are bullying and oppressing the free world.
Now for your second question “Who brought freedom to the USA?” Certainly the American people did, but you had substantial help from France. One of the founding fathers Benjamin Franklin went there and acquired a lot of resources that made the revolution possible.
Here is a good read.
http://www.publicbookshelf.com/public_html/The_Great_Republic_By_the_Master_Historians_Vol_II/benjaminf_hc.html
Maybe you should take a hard look at who made a substantial payment to your freedom before expecting someone else pay for the so called freedom you think you are providing. The recognized government of Saddam Hussein never asked you over, you went there because, what were the lies you told the world again? Oh yeah, weapons of mass destruction and association with 9/11 (the one with the buildings, not the other terrorist support of Pinochet).
Some of us will especially remember those lies and the damage you have inflicted upon the free world.
Still time to change though, maybe reread those brilliant ideas of the constitution and act upon them. After all you have the right to bear arms and defend yourself against the tyrant government that is leading you.
AENUS (Australian, England ‘N United States). So you are not bringing freedom to anyone, rather you are bullying and oppressing the free world.
As a seasoned world traveler…
I kiss the ground every time I land home in the USA.
I have been to many countries where…
1: Your life isn’t worth a dam.
2: You eat what ever they happen to sell this week or starve.
3: You walk or ride a bicycle if your rich.
4: You take cold baths in a pot.
5: You wipe your ass with your hand.
6: The doctor tells you don’t need any attention as gangreen advances up your leg.
7: Your cook washes your dishes with cow dung.
8: Women have little or no rights.
9: Children are bought and sold as sex slaves.
America is a very great country, it oppresses no one, unlike Hitlers Germany or Stalin’s Russia.
America champions the value of human life throughout the world, it does what it can, but it can’t do everything.
When some good country needs help, even some bad ones, America is the first to respond with aid.
America helps secure the world against those who want nothing but destruction and chaos.
It’s very easy to knock America, but it usually come from those who either hate the level of freedom we enjoy, or just never have things really really bad and can appreciate everything America offers.
America, Russia and China all want world stability. Islamic terrorists want death and destruction. And it seems a lot of clueless, Bush bashing Liberal idealists want that too.
Well this is what I got to say.
Stand behind your country or get on the front lines and stand in front of it as it to make it easier for the rest of us to shoot your backstabbing ass.
Amen and God Bless America!!
unlike “God Dam America” like Obama’s 20 year pastor Rev. Wright likes to say.
Ah, yes… the good old days of ignoring UN “mandates.” The US and everyone else was invited 18 times.
The US is a little quirky. It’s always a little awkward being the first to arrive at a party… even when you’re invited.
MDN “ran” as in “I.”
@Raving Machead,
Of course, “standing by [our] country” means agreeing with your points of view.
By the way, ‘dam’ is the word used to describe those thingys that hold back water to form ponds and lakes. ‘Damn’ I believe is the word I believe you are looking for.
Oh, and have you heard about Sarah Palin’s husband belonging to the Alaskan Independence Party, which is dedicated to having Alaska secede from the US?!
Folks,
Other than an earlier inflammatory comparison, WITF does Bush or the US government have to do with MS? Other than the eventual bailout and takeover?
Crazy? Think again:
• We just bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (IOW, as both a homeowner and taxpayer, this means I just bought my own mortgage back, with interest. Sweet!
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• We WILL be bailing out Detroit within a year, if not before the elections. Welcome to Federal Motor Company.
• Next stop: Redmond. MS will be peanuts compared to the above. And a fitting addition to the Federal bureaucracy.
@confused,
The US has been bailing out companies for decades. Lockheed was bailed out in the early ’70s because their L-1011 airliner was engineless at the time because Rolls Royce had to redesign the engine that was powering it.
We bailed out the airlines after 9/11. We’s always bailing out somebody.
Methinks the Obamaniacs are getting very nervous. And rightfully so. The empty suit and hairplugs are going down bigtime in November.
To an earlier poster, yes, 9/11 happened during the Bush administration. But it was Clinton’s turning a blind eye and ignoring numerous terrorist acts that emboldened them. And they miscalculated that Bush would be as weak as Clinton.
@everyone.
all things aside in politics, but can we all agree that MS are fools? if so, lets unite under this one common belief and sing cumbaya
LoL, Amen.
It’s all about market share with you PC sheep—because you don’t have anything else. Windows Mobile clearly lacks the quality, design and inviting user experience Apple has crafted in magnificent iPhone. Now PC is copying Apple with me-too applications for their dumpy phone.
Go ahead, spout off about “more software for Windows Mobile than iPhone” and “my Windows Mobile costs less than a iPhone.” Whatever. Maybe in 10 years your crappy wannabe phones will be able to play games like my iPhone. Losers.
Your potential. Our Blunder.™
What’s all this talk?
Noodles Noodleman, you are aptly named.
Didn’t you read Arnold Ziffel’s post?
“…Number of Iraqis involved in the attacks of 9/11: 0 (zero)…”.
What the FOCK are we doing in Iraq?
Is Osama Bin Laden there?
Who knocked the towers down?
Osama Bin Laden.
Is that clear now?
If not, let me know.
Watching the video of Uncle Fester laugh at the iPhone is hilarious. One can hear the panic in his voice. Wonder if he’d be willing to be videotaped today laughing at this amazing product.
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@Noodles Noodleman,
Yes, you are indeed correct–the attacks of 9/11 happened on George Bush’s watch…after he received numerous warnings that something big was going to happen (see PDB of August 6, 2001).
And Bush sat in the school classroom for 7 minutes (doing absolutely nothing!) after being informed the 2nd tower had been hit.
Later that day, McCain began talking about Iraq being one of the countries that ought to be retaliated against (even though it had nothing to do with the attacks!). Then, after the anthrax attacks in October of that same year, McCain told us Saddam Hussein was responsible for the attacks. He wasn’t.
So, McBush had a hard-on about going to war with Iraq from the very beginning.
In March 2003, McBush had his dreams of war with Iraq realized, and now, $550 billion dollars and 4,157 dead American soldiers later, American forces are still in Iraq in numbers greater than prior to “the surge;” Baghdad is walled off into ethnically cleansed neighborhoods by 12′ blast walls; and thousands of Iraqis are being killed every month by suicide bombings, aerial bombings by American forces, and assassinations.
Meanwhile, unemployment in Iraq is staggering; supplies of electricity and potable water are poor and unreliable; and Gen. Patraeus now says he doesn’t foresee being able to use the word ‘victory’ to describe Iraq at any point in the future.
Our choice is clear–want more of Bush/Cheney and endless war? Vote for John McBush/Sarah Strangelove.
Want a chance at a decent future? Vote Obama/Biden.
Ballmer needs to get a new crystal ball if he wants to have any chance of making any correct prediction.
Keep the guy on as CEO of M$ … we need a daily good laugh.
To raving mac head:
As a seasoned world traveler…
I kiss the ground wherever I am because I call planet earth my home. I know about your top 9, as I have been to the United States. Sounds like you have missed some parts of Gaia where
1: Life is blessed.
2: You eat for free and are blessed by the worms in the dirt.
3: You walk because it is enriching and humbling at the same time.
4: It’s so freaking cold you take a bath in the snow.
5: You can wipe your ass with your hand, and you can choose the right or left one and on top of that you have the pleasure of not having someone telling you to eat it.
6: People know how to buy shoes the right size.
7: You can learn the advanced skill of washing your own dishes.
8: Humans realize that there are only two inalienable rights, one of them is to die.
9: Adults retain the child like inner light.
I don’t disagree with your top 9 though, there are places like that and I will go on to say “America was a very great country. No more. America oppressed Vietnam, America subterfuged South America’s oldest democracy, ironically enough on 9-11 (if that isn’t kharma I don’t know what is) and duh, find any weapons of mass destruction in the country you are currently oppressing?
“America champions the value of human life throughout the world”: Yeah right, America’s finest have shown us that.
“When some good country needs help, even some bad ones, America is the first to respond with aid.” Of course you are the first to respond, it’s a light trip for you. On a per capita basis you are the stingiest of the top 22 most developed countries. You might want to check your own back yard as to which country was first to help you during Katrina. Hint: It wasn’t the United States.
America is currently a threat to world security. Your country is born of wat destruction and chaos. Ever sum up the # of years you have been at war vs. the # of years you have been at peace? Now that is a scary figure. Thanks to your current administration it is getting higher. Last time at least there were enough of you with a backbone to get rid of your last tyrant leader.
Actually it is quite hard to knock America because you are so good at spewing your hatred for others over the news. Speaking of which, here is a news flash for you by the way, you cannot obtain freedom by removing it from someone else. American terrorist don’t want democracy of stability, heck if that was your goal, you would have caught Bin Ladin a long time ago. Yeah, you sure say a lot, but there are some Americans whom I greatly respect that say something else: “white man speak with forked tongue.”
And of course here it comes, your threat of violence, the cry of the bully terrorist. You are making a death threat to me on the net for expressing my opinion and standing up for my country? Yup you are a proud american all right. Nice try but frankly, you are the small schemed backstabbers. We will especially remember that.
God Bless Gaia and the free world.
TO MDN:
Could you please get rid of all the political dirt swinging comments that have been posted here.
This is a Mac computer forum, not an election campaign forum.
To those of you who can’t get away from the politics, pick a newspaper article in one of the major papers and voice your opinion there. Those of us who want to talk computers would really appreciate your cooperation. Thanks!
RIM and Symbian sales unaffected.
http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/09/smartphone-mark.html
@labcondave
Ballmer is more akin to Obama-mana from Heaven than GW, any day of the week.
Ballmer not a poor public speaker, he’s long winded and full of promises he can’t possibly keep.
“1: Your life isn’t worth a dam.
2: You eat what ever they happen to sell this week or starve.
3: You walk or ride a bicycle if your rich.
4: You take cold baths in a pot.
5: You wipe your ass with your hand.
6: The doctor tells you don’t need any attention as gangreen advances up your leg.
7: Your cook washes your dishes with cow dung.
8: Women have little or no rights.
9: Children are bought and sold as sex slaves.”
Everyone one of those things has happened and will happen in the United States. You left out censorship, torture, murder, pedophilia and adultery and that’s just the upper levels of the U.S. government.
@XMPP
Yes, that is exactly the point I was trying to make all that crap from the list and more happens in the US but the way it is put you think their crap don’t stink.
Not to mention the other ludicrous statements “it [the US] oppresses no one. Whoa must take a huge shovel to dig up that one.
But don’t get me wrong, there are many excellent people in the states that fits the bill he is describing, generous, non oppressive and peaceful. I do hope that the country can figure out how to bring itself to it’s former glory, do a Jobs so to speak. Otherwise, their empire will come tumbling down.