“If Jim Balsillie is concerned about the arrival of Apple Inc.’s much-hyped iPhone, he’s doing a good job of keeping it to himself,” Chris Sorensen reports for The Toronto Star.
“The co-CEO of Research In Motion Ltd., which makes the popular line of BlackBerry email devices, said in an interview at RIM’s Waterloo headquarters that he’s not losing sleep over Apple’s efforts to upend the wireless market in much the same way as its wildly popular iPod music devices changed the way people acquire and listen to music,” Sorensen reports.
“In fact, Balsillie said he couldn’t even confirm whether anyone at RIM’s sprawling campus has managed to get their hands on an iPhone, which went on sale in the United States a week ago amid a torrent of media coverage,” Sorensen reports.
“‘I haven’t seen one,’ he volunteered with a shrug of his shoulders and a bored expression. ‘It’s possible, I guess. I mean, you watch these things, but you really have to just focus and do your job.'”
Full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Steven” for the heads up.]
Doing your job, Mr. Balsillie, would be examining the very device that will exceed your firm’s entire current subscriber base (9 million) within 12 months and all of the RIM devices ever sold (20 million, took ’em 20 years) within 24 months – and we’re being conservative on both predictions. Ignoring the device that is singlehandedly tearing down and rebuilding the very industry is which you participate is not doing your job, Mr. Balsillie.
RIM shareholders should demand to know why co-CEO Balsillie has chosen to put his (and therefore his company’s) head in the sand as the Apple iPhone steamroller approaches. Mr. Basillie and RIM are in deep denial, not to mention deep —-.
Balsillie has been living in his Hobbit hole.
You know that he is worried. He can’t say things like “oh gee, I guess we are screwed” now can he?
Ouch, that is harsh MDN!
RIM is small in the consumer cellphone domain (the big market Apple was hoping to get 1% of), but important in the corporate domain (a small market in comparison).
iPhone, thus far, is not really competing with RIM’s Blackberry.
However, I think it will, and very soon. All the indications are that more complete support for Exchange and perhaps Lotus Notes.
So I would defer judgement until I see Jim Balsillie response to those expected developments. RIM has actually done a whole lot better than Palm and Windows CE drones would have liked. They were closer to the consumer’s experience, which is what I like about Apple.
They are obviously light years away from producing anything like the iPhone. But I really wouldn’t yet consider them an enemy of Apple. WinCE drones, on the other hand, deserve lynching.
Sorry,
I meant:
All the indications are that more complete support for Exchange and perhaps Lotus Notes is coming soon.
Enjoy your sleep while you can Mr. Balsillie, there is a storm brewing up in the horizon that will keep you awake many a night until you can bare it no more but ask for admission in your local Cuckoos nest!
When that happens please keep a note with you to ask for some camel’s Milk, it will help hasten your admission!
Note to self: The Balmy one combined with the Silly one = BalSillie?
Interesting CEO names.
Note to techstock shareholders:- Do not vote in names beginning with Bal, or the other side of the coin, please do so that AAPL can mop the market up!
Too Hot,
They may not deserve a lynching, but that’s what they’re going to get. Even without better Exchange support, the iPhone will take market share from RIM. When the iPhone adds Exchange and updates the software to fix few minor flaws it has, RIM is toast.
Balsillie is either lying when he says he hasn’t seen an iPhone, which is ok, because he’s just trying to put on a brave face, or he really hasn’t seen one, in which case he should be fired. Immediately.
@ Too Hot!
Your comment is logical, but keep your friends close and your enemies even closer! If he practiced that policy, he would be better forwarned and therefor forearmed.
Now if he drunk some Camel’s Milk…….
A co-worker of mine just got a new Curve. I placed my iPhone next to his curve on his desk. The Curve’s design just looks ancient to the iPhone.
Once a Blackberry client is made for the iPhone, it’ll be over for RIM from a handset standpoint. Maybe they can still push their servers though.
Superb example of MDN’s mock-anyone-who-isn’t-vocally-pro-Apple stance.
The CEO of a competitor is principally concerned with the effect any statements he may make might have on his share price.
Don’t be so damned naive. Of course they’re looking at the iPhone.
So what does anyone expect Balsillie to say? That they’re really worried about it; that if Apple adds corporate push e-mail like Blackberry has that RIM is doomed; that they have no real answer planned; that Apple has patented the iPhone up the wazoo so RIM can’t copy it very easily?
C’mon guys, Balsille is doing a much better job than the other players like Verizon or Nokia. Balsille has basically used Apple’s hype and marketing to get himself off the hook, essentially saying, “We can’t get them yet, so we can’t tear it down and can’t tell just how dangerous it may be.”
Disappointing MDN-take as others have suggested.
Rim deserves a lot of credit for evolving a device that has made the corporate world – at least the one I’m in – a lot more productive. Long before my favorite company – Apple – ever jumped into these waters. I’m glad Apple is now here, but don’t see the need to take away from what Rim has already accomplishedincluding nasty, merit-less patent lawsuits.
iPhone, will most certainly be cutting into their business, but they probably will make a client, as someone mentioned above, that will allow them to continue to co-exist. That’s my hope anyway.
And to think they’re not looking at it, I’m sure they are….
“However, I think it will, and very soon. All the indications are that more complete support for Exchange and perhaps Lotus Notes.”
Possibly even by Blackberry Connect for iPhone. Perhaps he doesn’t have to worry because he knows all corporate iPhone customers will be his too.
“looks ancient to the iPhone.”
Yet it works better for email etc. In that corporate market, Apple=form, Blackberry=substance.
Guys, I’m in agreement that when iPhone supports corporate push email, RIM’s fortunes will be in jeopardy. But until then, iPhone is not much of a threat to them.
By the way, RIM is in over 130 countries, which also means that when they start loosing market share in the US, their global market shares could continue to grow until the iPhone makes it to those markets. That will also be temporary, unless Apple decides not to expand globally, which is unlikely.
I also agree that he’s just a CEO who has to be careful when making public statements. He probably has already assigned teams of people to “be concerned” about the iPhone.
I would love nothing less than corporate support on the iPhone, it would make my life easier. Hurry up Apple!
Grow up, kids. There’s room for everybody. RIM isn’t going anywhere, and right now the iPhone, as good as it is, is not competing with the Blackberry. That may change, it may not, but right now they aren’t competing devices.
@ Alternatively:
Possibly even by Blackberry Connect for iPhone. Perhaps he doesn’t have to worry because he knows all corporate iPhone customers will be his too.
Point well taken.
“Superb example of MDN’s mock-anyone-who-isn’t-vocally-pro-Apple stance.”
First of all, mocking and making fun is part of the shtick of MDN. If you don’t like that, there are plenty of other bland, no-fun Mac sites out there.
Secondly, they aren’t mocking that he isn’t pro-Apple, they are mocking the dismissive nature of his response. Almost as if this guy has no idea what’s going on in his own industry, which he sure as hell better.
He’s in Canada. He was interviewed by a Toronto newspaper. iPhones aren’t sold in Canada. I’d be more surprised if he had seen one. His companies are corporations. iPhones can’t be purchased for a commercial account. If he said, “Wow! The iPhone is great,” after the next board meeting, he’d be reading the want ads. His job is to retain and grow business, and he can’t do it by rooting for the competition. What do you guys expect? The pope to join the Presbyterian church?
Okay point taken all, but what happens when Apple ask for a share in their profits as a result of a new crop of customers who are not in the corporate business, then what?
That is the sticking point with last centuries business model that Apple inc. is in the process of dimantling brick by solid brick.
As for the rest of the Globe, I wonder where the over One Hundred Million ipods sales have taken place? in the USA alone? If the USA is buying the iphone because of the ipod Halo, will not the rest of the World follow suit as soon as the iphone is available to them?
Send me your mail addresses, I will put some Camel’s Milk in the post to you!
Rim is a good company, its Windows Mobile and Palm that are going to be taking most of the punch. In the next 2 years.
All I can say is when I tried to fix the email settings on two different BlackBerries for customers, it was a pain in the rarse. That little scroll wheel on the side, was not very comfortable to use, and pressing it to click felt awkward.
I hope Balsillie isn’t representative of a general complacency at RIM. That will just land them in trouble.
Even if Apple / AT&T don’t provide exchange support, it’s should be possible for a web based system to mimic exchange access. Or even have emails forwarded to another account that you can access by IMAP.
I doubt that the iPhone will be locked out of exchange forever. If RIM can do it so can anyone else.
The trouble is Danox, when the steam roller begins to run away, it doesn’t matter how good the copmpany is, if it doesn’t get out of the way simply because they did not see it coming, they will get levelled!
Example 1:- Creative and its market leading mp3 player that nearly killed off the recording industry, who came to the recording industries rescue?
Creative and the market never gave the ipod a chance, did they? & yet what has history taught us?
Example 2:- Napster had virtually 100% of the download market, legal and illegal, where is Napster now?
Example 3:- Napster was bought by a major label in attempt to stave off itunes dominance, where is Napster now?
I am not trying to diss off RIM and its Blackberry, all I am trying to say is that Mr. Balsillie may have made a mistake in saying what he said, because it shows that his market intelligence is non existent, that cannot be good for RIM can it?
The competition have in the most bought an iphone and are in the process of not just deconstructing it, but trying to learn from it. Some enterprising CEO is even offering to unlock it for the global market. That is what RIM should be saying in order to instill confidence in its products potential and satisfy its share holders.
He hasn’t seen the product that’s about to sink his company?
What a bloody incompetent prat.
-jcr
This is what I call a balls up Mr. Balsillie!! Send me an address I can send some…no….alot of camel’s Milk to. Drink it, release a whopping great big fart! you will find no need to tell whoppers after that!
There is no need for a “blackberry connect” for the iPhone. . The iPhone works with ordinary mail servers using either the POP3 or IMAP protocols. “Blackberry connect” is a workaround for a bug, it is not a feature.
-jcr
it’s just not him, it’s the entire board of directors. they all should have had their hands on one by now. and that goes for all other companys that have anything to do with the cell phone industry…including the actual cell phone service providers that didn’t get the iPhone. the stockholders of these companies should be calling in every hour inquiring why their phone companys didn’t work with Apple.
Mr. Basillie and RIM are in deep denial, not to mention deep —-.
The world you’re looking for is “Zune,” RIM is in deep Zune with a moron like Basillie running the company.
Ballsille, that statement is silly.
I guarantee you saw an iPhone as early as last Saturday, especially since AT&T is your carrier also.
If you don’t know about your competition, you can’t compete at all.
Shrugging your shoulders is a true complement to Apple’s iPhone…it says it all. When you can’t knock it, you try to ignore it. Let’s keep in mind that for a long time M$ also ignored the fact that Apple existed. Now that they are fixing to surpass HP in market cap, how will they all act now??
It’s the old Ronald Reagan ploy.
“Haven’t seen it yet” “Never heard of it”
It worked for Reagan because he was President of the United States.
When Balsillie says it, it’s just sad.
@ Camel-
I’m not a big camel fan. I don’t like their milk or their jockeys.
However, a tastefully done camel toe is okay with me.
BlackBerry doesn’t really compete at all in the consumer space, does it? I just don’t think Apple cares much about RIM’s part or the market right now – they have their sights set sqaurely on people who A. Already have an iPod, and B. Don’t already have a smart phone (or have a dumb smart phone).
RIM is fine for now, but they have no hope of ever entering the consumer space, if they wanted to.
-c
Since the RIM shareholders know more than Balsillie says he knows about the iPhone…their next question should be
to him is “Why don’t you know about the iPhone?” and “What are you going to do to compete with the iPhone when it’s interface is software upgradable?”
How can any company ignore a million sales in one week?
How can the Verizon shareholders not ask questions to their CEO. That was the pridebased brainfart decision of all decisions and he should have an answer to it.
Don’t all these 3rd party computer hardware conglomerates and now cellphone makers and carriers get a little tired of Apple making them look stupid?? After getting enough spankings from my dad, I eventually started listening, but these companies just can’t seem to do it, even though they were given a six month head start.
Blackberry has found a very successful niche but it reminds me of Apple in the mid 90s. They also had a very successful niche but a very dangerous niche because business uptake of Windows was so huge and Apple management was so clueless. Apple didn’t figure out that if upwards of 95% of businesses use Windows, then eventually Apple would start to lose market-share in schools and homes too.
20 million subscribers could disappear pretty quickly if a couple of CEOs decide they like the iPhone. I would imagine that swapping out phones will be a lot easier than swapping out a new OS. Adding new businesses will almost become impossible.
Since the Waterloo mentioned in the article is Waterloo, Ontario and RIM only has one location in the US (Irving, Texas where they do something called Licensing and Standards), it is a possibility that Mr. Balsillie or any of his colleagues in the corporate office simply haven’t been anywhere near an Apple Store that has stocks of an iPhone and that – even if they did – they wouldn’t be able to activate it because they’re not US residents with US credit cards.
Of course, that wouldn’t stop MDN from writing its poorly-researched take. Because smug hubris is what this site seems to like wearing nowadays.
Ball Silly …
(hee hee)
You don’t even know what Blackberry Connect is, do you?
MDN….calm down. you guys are such tools. What, you want him to say, “yeah, we have them and have decided to shut down our business”? Of course they have them and are studying them. And of course the CEO of RIM will downplay the iPhone.
Blackberrys and iPhones are two completely different animals. When an iPhone can do real push email, you can have my Blackberry and then RIM should worry. Until then, those two markets will co-exist. The people who need to worry are the ones selling Windows Mobile Pocket PC type machines.
MW: “moral”…as in doesn’t MDN have a moral obligation to not always be a bunch of blind tools? No, I guess not.
Mr. Balsillie is a cunning co-CEO …amazing how clever he fashions his response. I was obsessed by the phrasing, “I haven’t seen one” …coupled with a shoulder shrug that conveyed the intrigue of the mans painful and poetic soul. The bored expression was way, way beyond my grasp. I didn’t even bother reaching for it …but at that very moment … an utterance …strangely sweet tones ..possessing an almost melancholy, “It’s possible, I guess.” Wow, Mr Balsillie …a very breathy wow.
‘It’s possible, I guess. I mean, you watch these things, but you really have to just focus and do your job.
RIM has serious fans as does Apple and they make a compelling product. Steve (The Tongue) Ballmer and Microsoft are the big losers with their bug ridden software and lame hardware partners. I think you will see Apple killing Windows CE market share, Palm will die and RIM will continue to do well.
Don’t kid yourself, Jim Balsillie is watching Apple closely and will drive his people hard to compete with iPhone but he is not going to publicly admit it.
I’m quite proud of myself…
…I recognized the iPhone wasn’t for me and effectively resisted the urge to buy one.
Will I consider one? Certainly.
It was hard though.
Must resist….ahhhh
Ummm yeah, guys, might want to check out some of the upcoming features in Leopard Server. Like hmm… iCal server (for centralized iCal sharing), Directory Server (share central contact information between staff and say your Desktop, remote connected laptop and iPhone???, and not to mention the addition of IMAP IDLE support in the email server portion of OS X Server providing IMAP connected clients to instantly be notified of new mail… and things like the already existing iChat server (likely to be optimized for an iPhone update) the new central PodCast Producer portion of OS X server for fast, central creation, storage and delivery of videos within a business? Can you say in basic terms a form of “push” email using a IMAP standards addition, iCal syncing, central contacts list, and the list goes on. I am surprised no one has seen the connection between the number of additions of “corporate” feature sets for desktop and mobile corporate types. Go read up a bit more at http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/
“The iPhone works with ordinary mail servers using either the POP3 or IMAP protocols.”
Except that 99% of corporations don’t expose their internal mail servers on the Internet, so you can’t connect to them using POP or IMAP. Even if they did, you loose push email, calendaring and contact synchronization. Sorry, nice try but you really don’t understand what makes a Blackberry different.
“Except that 99% of corporations don’t expose their internal mail servers on the Internet”
Well that likely might be why the iPhone supports VPN over IPSEC now wouldn’t it?
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Encrypted emails?
Visited Redmond today.
Surprise, there is a hospital located next to the main M$ campus.
I hear they have the worlds only chair thrown victims trama unit.
Settle down MDN, a few statistics:
3 billion mobile phone users (and growing)
1 billion phones sold annually (and growing)
about 120 million smartphones will be sold in 2007 (and growing at 30% per year)
There is plenty of business for more than one company. BOTH RIM and Apple will do VERY well in this nascent industry. Balsillie is a hardcore exec – do not underestimate him. Apple has done RIM a huge favor by bringing a spotlight on the converged media/communications device.
Just remember that RIM has over 300 carriers in 100 countries, adding 20 new carriers last quarter alone. Now Apple has 1 carrier in 1 country, and will probably have 1 carrier in each country. What are the 70% plus non-AT&T US cellular subscribers going to buy if they want a smartphone? You guessed it, Blackberries. RIM still has the best secure data delivery platform around.
So an emerging duopoly where both Apple and RIM dominate is the future. That’s why I have been and will continue to own large positions in each of their stocks.
A little balance, MDN would be nice, then it would make you more credible. And all you idiots calling for the end of RIM and saying they are toast are simply wrong – you don’t understand what is going on at the ground level with blackberry adoption. The enterprise is NOT adopting iPhones anytime soon – look at the RIM infrastructure and you will see why. I love my iPhone and I love my Blackberry. Both will succeed!
While i love my iPhone, i will say that if Apple and is “single” carriers throughout the world are able to out sell all that RIM has ever sold in less then 3 years then RIM might as give up and shut its doors.
Looking for RIM job? Call silly balls.
Oye… I couldn’t resist.
Basillie is not Gates or Dell. He’s one of the good guys! Relax!
@ You guys don’t read much do you?
I knew about the additions to Leopard server. The thing is, it is a server OS that currently operates in 0 corporations world wide, with one probable exception: Apple.
It will also need a substantial amount of time to make a dent in the server market. For Leopard server to have a major impact on the mobile industry, you would have to wait a few years (an eternity in this business).
What a laugh this guy must be having. I mean every Canadian knows the best way to get the yank’s panties in a knot is to ignore them.
Signed, the other Road Warrior, you know the original one, not the uncreative yank who could not come up with their own handle, but had to be a copy cat.
Rim will be OK,
Also ideas again:
$299 for iphone no camera
$499 for 8 GB ipod-phone no phone.
And License OS X to specialist PC manufactures
Anyone agree ?
He’s in for a surprise when he DOES see one. I saw one in the wild today and there’s a huge difference between seeing pictures and specs and seeing it for real. It is startlingy thin and unphone like.
Now the right move for RIM of course IS to keep focused on what they’re doing, and making sure their users are happy. Still… they also have designs on the consumer market and… he is in for a surprise.
Anthony…
Almost, except in my version of the world Apple licenses the n-1 version of OS X to PC manufacturers who are willing to conform to Apple’s reference mobo and develop markets in which Apple is weak as we don’t want to relive the cannibalisation of the market that occurred back the Power Computing/Daystar days.
In other words, about six months after Apple ships Leopard, it would make Tiger available to a select band of PC manufacturers each of whom would have a business plan to develop one or more specific vertical markets in a geographic territory where Apple doesn’t necessarily have established distribution channels or marketing.
For instance, New Zealand: licence Tiger to a manufacturer who is willing to aggressively build the MacOS share of Kiwi K-12 marketplace. Given that Tiger is still a better OS than Vista and way better than XP, the customer benefits from having a stable, fully-featured OS; the manufacturer gets to write proposals based on an OS that has a low total cost of ownership and with a lower level of risk than Windows; and Apple benefits from MacOS penetration in a marketplace where they wouldn’t normally get sales.
MCCFR
Very smart, It went bad last time but then, Steve was not at the company.
Also: Systems such as panasonic science laptops, and boat navigation systems, Could run on OS 10.4 kernal and Subsystem,
Also:I have been working on another logic gate for a computer so we can use base5 coding, (Binary) effectively instead of 0,1 voltages , 0 ,1, 2 ,3 4,
The transistor would control up-to 3 gates and in series would allow for massive speed increase.
“Well that likely might be why the iPhone supports VPN over IPSEC now wouldn’t it?”
Tell me how well that works out for you, keeping a VPN connection up to your corporate network alive 24/7, connecting to the IMAP/POP services (which any corporation worth it’s salt will have disabled internally too for security concerns), missing meetings because your calendar is not updated, compared to a push email solution.
Really you’re clutching at straws. The iPhone isn’t designed to be a good corporate email device. That’s why it’s not a good corporate email device.
“Except that 99% of corporations don’t expose their internal mail servers on the Internet, so you can’t connect to them using POP or IMAP. “
Ever heard of VPN?
Oh, and BTW: pulling a 99% figure out of your ass like that doesn’t make your FUD any more credible.
-jcr
“Except that 99% of corporations don’t expose their internal mail servers on the Internet, so you can’t connect to them using POP or IMAP. “
Ever heard of VPN?
Oh, and BTW: pulling a 99% figure out of your ass like that doesn’t make your FUD any more credible.
-jcr
“Except that 99% of corporations don’t expose their internal mail servers on the Internet, so you can’t connect to them using POP or IMAP. “
Ever heard of VPN?
Oh, and BTW: pulling a 99% figure out of your ass like that doesn’t make your FUD any more credible.
-jcr
“Except that 99% of corporations don’t expose their internal mail servers on the Internet, so you can’t connect to them using POP or IMAP. “
Ever heard of VPN?
Oh, and BTW: pulling a 99% figure out of your ass like that doesn’t make your FUD any more credible.
-jcr
“Really you’re clutching at straws.”
Funny, that’s exactly what I would say about you.
The Blackberry is heading the same way as the Diamond Rio. Get used to it.
-jcr
“Really you’re clutching at straws.”
Funny, that’s exactly what I would say about you.
The Blackberry is heading the same way as the Diamond Rio. Get used to it.
-jcr
“Really you’re clutching at straws.”
Funny, that’s exactly what I would say about you.
The Blackberry is heading the same way as the Diamond Rio. Get used to it.
-jcr
“Really you’re clutching at straws.”
Funny, that’s exactly what I would say about you.
The Blackberry is heading the same way as the Diamond Rio. Get used to it.
-jcr
And so it continue’s…who is right?….who is playing a tactical game of chess?……How many moves ahead are they?……
RIM = Ultra successful business solution.
RIM = Well crafted email push soution.
RIM = Enterprise employing a BES administrator/s to manage push email 24/7
RIM = Multiple solutions involving a variety of handsets and BES licencing packages.
RIM = Closed platform using closed systems like M$’s Exchange, Lotus Domino & Novell groupWise.
iphone = Successful smart phone solution for every one.
iphone = Well crafted phone, internet browser, music & video player, phone, voice mail and email solution.
iphone = Yahoo employing administrators to manage push email and not the enterprise or individual incurring that cost.
iphone = One handset, two licencing plans (individual & family), automatic upgrades that will increase exponentially the potential of the iphone as third party developers are already able to write applications for it via Safari.
iphone = Opensource OSX, Safari supported by Yahoo, Google & AT&T.
The Blackberry reminds me of a reptile, it will shed its skin in order to grow and renew itself, while the iphone reminds me of a Butterfly, a beautifull creature you cannot imagine was once a Caterpillar!
So do people use their RIM device for keeping sync with Exchange?
Well I’m sure it will not be hard for a system for the iphone. ie webased even a web-VPN always connected that you connect to through.
I believe Mac OS X server will become allot more dominant in Business, MS server has been working well, but there needs to be be more choice.
We run a big network, many macs and PCs, we could do with a mac server that was faster, and easier. At the end of the day the best products will win.
@ Too Hot!
What is a Leopard server? Does Apple inc. make a Leopard server? You are however right when you say that Leopard server operates in 0 corporations! IT DOESN’T BLOODY EXIST YOU BLEEDING MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only server that Apple inc. make are the Xserve and Xserve Raid.
As for the second paragraph of your mucus inducing thoughts, the Xserve’s & Xserve Raid’s are to be found not only in corporations but in research parks where the highest levels of computing muscle and reliability are required! eg the phamaceutical industry.
I will send you some Camel’s Milk so that you have good reason to wipe your arse before making such ill advised comments!
Danno,
He may be one of the ‘good guys’ but he’s unprepared for what’s coming. The fact is that as a CEO he needs to show that he has a plan to deal with any significant threat to his business. If the iPhone were just another phone, his response would be fine, but it isn’t. Apple isn’t targeting his segment of the market yet, but in a few weeks or months at most, they will be, and he should know that.
Waterloo, how appropriate.
mmm need orange, carrot, celery juice,
Final idea before I go to bed,
Someone could I hope make a magazine like a comic book, based on Apple etc, I would buy it
PS: Camel be nice, X-raid is this a server? does it not need a server attached to it?
I would say 22 percent Corps have a X server in them, but only one.
@ Too Hot!
I have cooled down suffiecently to look at the web page supplied by so & so!
If you look at the heading above Leopard server, you will realise that what Apple inc. are describing is the new software that will run on their Xserve’s. Leopard Sneek Peek!
Leopard has yet to be released for the consumer, (that is you & I) Leopard Server has yet to be releasde for the Pro-sumer, (that is the IT consultant and institutions like Schools, Colleges and Univerties that have Xserve’s installed.
As the release says, those institutions will be able to close down their IT departments once they install Leopard Server on their Xserve’s because it will be as intuitive as an iphone? read inot it what you will, but it certainly does not decribe it as a server (Hardware).
@ anthony,
An Xraid Server is a storage device, check this out.
http://www.apple.com/xserve/raid/
The reason why the industry I mentioned above would more than one is because the results of the researches they do are so numerous that they require a massive reliable piece of hardware like the Xraid to store the results in. Not only have they got to be stored, but they have to be available on hand at any given minute in order to present the results of the research to either the industry peers or the FDA.
@ anthony, Good point in that question!
I guess I was busy farting with indignation at whatchumacallit up there to actually take note of the subtle or not so subtle difference in the two hardware formats!
Ta! taa!! all for now!!!
Ta cool,
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Wo so heaps of busines have the huh, like science labs .
awesome, camel
See ya,
Any Nice girls send us an email,
good night Camel
<… Even if they did, you loose push email, calendaring and contact synchronization. Sorry, nice try but you really don’t understand what makes a Blackberry different. >
I have a BB but bought an iPhone. Right now- IMAP does the trick- and I know- not too far down the path- calendaring & contacts will be there… You really don’t understand what makes the iPhone different do you?
RIM is not going away any time soon! If anything,
iPhone mania will create interest in competitive products.
Competition is good. Competition drive others to be better. Besides, everyone won’t buy an iPhone, and Blackberry has loyal customers as well.
What is it on this board with the socialist view that everybody must have the same thing.
I love Apple products but it “ain’t” the only company I love.
@ Camel;
It is obvious that I was talking about the sever version of OS X Leopard (which Apple likes to call Leopard Server). I was responding to someone who made a comment about the sever version of the OS. I was not talking about hardware.
Leapard is not a server, but a version of it is a server OS. It has not been released, so there are no corporations using it.
I was not talking about the server version of Tiger. So currently implemented systems with Xserves (or any mac with the server version of Tiger) would not count until they are upgraded to the yet-to-be-released Leopard Server.
There is really no reason to be abusive.
To: MDN
Read crazylegs comments above. He makes a lot of sense!
Although iPhone is ground-breaking, and competitors should have a good look at it to determine in what direction the future of the industry may move, it is also very true that it is only a very small drop in a huge market.
“Also: Systems such as panasonic science laptops, and boat navigation systems, Could run on OS 10.4 kernal and Subsystem,”
They already can. Darwin is open source.
Kinda a moot point at this stage since AT&T is not allowing business accounts to buy the iPhone – I would love to have one to replace my BlackBerry but no go as of yet. My guess is Apple is going to use this first generation iPhone to work the kinks out before opening the iPhone up for business users.
“So do people use their RIM device for keeping sync with Exchange?”
Why else does anybody buy a Blackberry?
“Well I’m sure it will not be hard for a system for the iphone. ie webased even a web-VPN always connected that you connect to through.”
Which is why you don’t understand what makes a Blackberry different from smartphones that only do POP/IMAP email.
Face facts, iPhone today is pitched at consumers, not the corporate market. One day it might get those corporate features. Or it may never get them.
Either way the cellphone market is huge. Apple has it’s niche today of combined iPod/Cellphone, Rim has it’s niche of sophisticated email, calendar and contact integration with Exchange and other corporate email systems.
Both will continue to sell tiny numbers of phones compared to the big players in the industry.
Windows Mobile with it’s relatively recent support for Exchange push email and full suite of mobile Microsoft apps is more of a threat to RIM than Apple is.
The astroturfers have nothing else to do on a Sunday, do they? The FUD is so thick in here you could cut it with a knife. Let’s just get one thing straight — there is precious little difference between “corporate” gadgets and “consumer” gadgets. The PDA history will tell you how artificial and retarded such a distinction is, as well the history of flash drives, USB drives, mice, keyboards, and on and on and on.
Apple is going to buy RIM! Settle the argument with $.
“there is precious little difference between “corporate” gadgets and “consumer” gadgets. “
That’s kind of like saying there’s not much difference between an M1A2 Abrams tank and a Toyota Prius.
Sure you can drive both to Baghdad, but one’s more suited to the job.
Until the iPhone synchronizes seamlessly OVER THE AIR with Exchange email, calendar and contacts, it’s not even a contender to be a Blackberry replacement.
“”I haven’t seen one,” he volunteered with a shrug of his shoulders and a bored expression.”
I think it makes him sound weak.
Jobs can get away with making gibes at Microsoft products now and then – bringing iTunes to Windows is like giving “ice water to people in hell”, etc. – but, in general it’s not a good move.
You look stronger if you’re confident enough in what you have to spare a compliment for someone else’s company or product. That’s doubly true when you’ve been asked about something that obviously is pretty good. You look evasive otherwise. Of course, you don’t say anything too nice, and you divert the conversation back to what _you_ can offer as soon as possible.
Compare what Nokia’s Keith Pardy said when asked about the iPhone:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/may#thu-10-nokia
But, of course, Nokia has nothing to worry about immediately since they serve a far larger market, including, as well as high-end phones, people who don’t want to spend as much as an iPhone + contract currently costs.
RIM have much more to worry about. However, I think there are reasons why some people might still prefer a RIM device over an iPhone. It really comes down to whether someone would like a multi-function device or a dedicated emailing device. The iPhone is very tempting – audio/video iPod, mobile Safari (not the “baby web”), and withal that fabulous multi-touch interface. However, if someone just want a dedicated email device, a Blackberry might still win. I’m not just thinking about “pushed” email here, which is what made RIM such a roaring success in the first place. That _can_ be done over IMAP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-IMAP
Moreover, third-parties will be offering Exchange integration for the iPhone. But “push” for mail is a issue.
There are, apparently, also other issues with the iPhone’s email. Engadget notes:
* The POP mail you read on your iPhone does not show up as read in Mail.app after sync.
* Sent messages on your iPhone are not synced to Mail.app’s sent folder (you can automatically CC, but not BCC, yourself on every outgoing iPhone message, though).
* Filters in Mail.app are not applied to incoming mail on the iPhone.
* The iPhone keeps its own set of non-contact addresses you manually enter — these are not copied over from Mail.app.
* There is no BCC.
* Messages on IMAP cannot even be marked as read.
* No ability “mark all / selected” as read.
* No empty trash option.
* There is a save to draft, but there is no spellcheck. (We suppose that’s because Apple thinks spellcheck should be inline with auto-correction as you type.)
* Users can only download and view the latest 200 messages from their server — there is no “retrieve all” messages option. This is a very bad thing when you just got off a trans-continental flight and it’s time to triage some serious email.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/03/iphone-review-part-2-phone-mail-safari-ipod/
Those are some pretty serious drawbacks (though I daresay some will be dealt with software updates – which are, in and of themselves, an important benefit of the iPhone.)
The iPhone is a superb device, no doubt about it. More than that it is revolutionary and completely overturns the status quo. But right now it’s not necessarily better than a RIM device if it is specifically a mobile-email device that a customer wants.
@ Stefano Jobso
I wonder if the iPhone Mail is even related to the Mail.app on the Mac desktop. It would seem to me that if iPhone was running OS X and able to run a ‘nearly’ complete version of Safari, there shouldn’t be that many obstacles to running a ‘nearly’ complete version of Mail.app. That would certainly take care of most of those oddly missing features, don’t you think?
Basically, what I’m saying is that Apple could at anytime update the iPhone with a more complete version of Mail.app
He’s seen it. He knows what it is but is too stupid to come up with a better response than the non-chalant blither he uttered. RIMM is on the way out.
OMFG, RIM IS GOING TO DIE!!!1! LOLZ!!!11!
Until you guys figure out what a Blackberry is, what a BES is, what Blackberry Connect is and what makes it all different than what the iPhone does, please STFU.
The iPhone is worthless to me as a communication device because it does not sync mail, calendar and contacts with my Exchange server. IMAP is not an issue. New Apple servers are not an issue. The iPhone does not work for corporations. Period. This is not to say that it won’t, but if it ever does it’s entirely likely that it will do so because RIM makes it happen. The best thing that could ever happen to the iPhone would be for RIM to write a version of Blackberry Connect for it because then millions of corporate users could use the thing.
RIM isn’t a threat, morons. RIM could be the reason a hell of a lot of iPhones get sold.
Thousands years ago, Sun Tzu said : ” know your enemy better than yourself, and the outcome of the war is already decided. “
Apple applies Sun Tzu’ s Art of War’ rules per the book. Its rivals – Microsoft, RIM, Sony, etc. – still don’t get it.
What a load of hogwash. RIM sells their latest Blackbery through AT&T for $200. Until Apple has a phone closer to that price range, RIM’s market share is safe. I don’t know too many companies that would spend more than double the price on a product just because it has a great interface. Rumors notwithstanding, the iPhone *has* to support Exchange and/or Lotus before it’s much of a threat to any corporate device.
It’s been said before- the iPhone does very little that can’t be done on other devices. It just does it with a much improved interface. I just don’t understand all the hype. It’s a cool product, but sheesh- it’s a PHONE! It’s not going to change the world.
burying your head whilst still standing leaves your backside just in the right position for getting rodgered
everyone who has a .mac address a complete idiot?
@shiva105,
What you corporate IT types never seem to understand is that the UI is more important than a killer app, which all that Blackberry connect is. The iPhone can easily add that killer app, but the Blackberry and Windows mobile phones are stuck with an outdated user interface that the average user hates.
Killer apps are of no use if nobody wants to use the device they run on.
I love my Blackberry. It just works. It syncs perfectly with my Exchange Server at work, I have all my mail, contacts and calendar, it’s simple to use, there’s nothing there I don’t need.
The iPhone has a slick interface that doesn’t do anything I need.
What’s more important?
Dunno,
That’s fine for you, and maybe even a few million other Blackberry users. For the other 6 billion people on the planet, spending the time and effort to get where you are with a Blackberry just isn’t worth it.
If the iPhone ever becomes a Blackberry killer, we are all going to be very happy campers.
The iPhone is not there yet. The Blackberry just works too.
What time and effort do I have to spend on a Blackberry? I don’t have to do anything to make my Blackberry work. It just does. It’s actually a splendid little machine, elegant in its simplicity and enormously powerful.
Like Big Al, I’d love it if the iPhone acquired the power of my Blackberry, but right now it simply doesn’t have it. It’ll play the hell out of some MP3s and videos, but it doesn’t sync with Exchange. That’s what I NEED. The iPhone is cool, but it doesn’t help me do my job and make money.
“The CEO of a competitor is principally concerned with the effect any statements he may make might have on his share price.”
Yeah and maybe the response should be “Yes we have managed to obtain one and are examining it. That’s all I can say at this point in time.”
His response is just amateurish.
MW: Social. Welcome to!
Its like standing on the tracks and looking the other way as the train is coming, thinking, if I ignore it it won’t run me over.
Gotta love evolution, how it sorts out the retards.
Leave my nick alone copycats.
There is only one road warrior and I’m it.
http://web.mac.com/traveler19/iWeb/Site/About Me.html
By the way, iWeb doesn’t handle large sites well. I’m having to fix things all the time, so bear with me.
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When will the editors of MDN stop masturbating to videos of Steve Jobs holding an iPhone?
It’s a mobile phone, MDN. It hasn’t ended world hunger and it hasn’t lifted mankind to some higher plane of existence.
This MDN site has become an hysterical parody of fanboy hero worship.
Sure glad I’m not you, MDN editorial staff.
Now guys, there is one other reason to keep Basille around, at least for a while. He’s one of the few people out there with the balls, brains and cash to get one of the lame NHL franchises out of the American south (where NASCAR rules) and back into the loving fold of the Great White North (where hockey rules). It might not be Phoenix, it may be Florida, or Tampa, or Nashville, but trust me, we need Basille around for a while, just to make sure that this does happen. It will only make the NHL stronger, and that’s a good thing.
MDN Word: shown – as in “Basille has shown he’s the real deal.
Now let him make his play. Give him a couple more years.
“There is only one road warrior and I’m it.”
Mel Gibson’s going to kick your ass, fake Road Warrior.
Mel Gibson’s going to kick your ass, fake Road Warrior.
He will need to sober up quite a bit first. Haha.
Mad Max was a road warrior.
My nick is Road Warrior.
I’m the real deal, Mel Gibson is a fake.
This is what I did to Mel Gibson, this is why he driinks like a fish now.
It’s the same answer given by iPhone rival e.g. HTC boss at BBC interview said “I haven’t seen one”. It’s a tactic to avoid answering the question on what they think of their products compared to iPhone (which is making them look nastier)
@ Too Hot,
If only you had clarified that earlier!! How different things would have been!
What crazylegs said. One of the few lucid comments on the entire page.
I have to agree with “Informed”. MDN always had that Apple slant to its editorial takes– understandably. But nowadays you can almost hear the orgasms coming from MDN staff whenever the words “iPod” or “iPhone” are mentioned. See? Just heard it two more times. Let’s male sure. “iPhone”. (MDN: NNnuuuhhhaaahhhh!!! Ooohh…..) Yep… MDN is just a lllllittle too in love with all things Apple.
Interesting observations from “informed” and “Hemorrhoid Rage.”
It’s always interesting that people who don’t like the quantifiable facts always go straight to personal attacks.
The mobile game has changed radically because Apple is on the field. The hardware and software package that is iPhone is unmatched in any device.
Disliking reality, and lacking facts to formulate a cogent rebuttal usually indicates a good time to shut up. Or announce to the world that you can’t get beyond ninth grade wee-wee jokes.
RIM, have I got a deal for you.
Apple buys RIM & creates the ultimate WinFartFone killer…
Apple-Berry iPhone!
iPhone + Multi-touch + MacOSX + iTunes + Blackberry “push mail” interfacing with Big Business Enterprise Exchange all in a way cool design…
iPhone-AppleBerry : 1
MSZunieTunesFone : 0
“iPhone + Multi-touch + MacOSX + iTunes + Blackberry “push mail” interfacing with Big Business Enterprise Exchange all in a way cool design…”
Add, +keyboard+pocket versions of Microsoft apps+ability to write 3rd party software+gps+real mapping app.
The iPhone and Blackberry are two very different devices that perform only superficially similar tasks. They appeal to two different markets. People buying iPhones probably wouldn’t have bought a smartphone if the iPhone didn’t exist. People buying Blackberries are buying them as a business tool and probably wouldn’t consider an iPhone.
Anyone who works at a medium-large corporation that walks up to IT asking them to install iTunes on their work PC in order to sync with an iPhone is going to be laughed out of the room.
RIM need not lose any sleep over the iPhone – Windows Mobile devices are a different story.
“I haven’t seen one”….there are only two options here: either he’s lying, or he’s telling the truth – and the sad thing is, the stockholders of RIM have to hope he’s lying, because if he’s not, he’s fatally negligent.