“Microsoft’s Windows Vista “will launch today with fanfare, parties, hypocrisy, hollow promises and tame reviews. For me, it is something different, it makes me sad. MS will tell you that Vista is the next great thing in every way, it took billions of dollars to develop, millions of man-hours, and undoubtedly will be the best selling OS ever launched. The problem is that Vista brings almost nothing to the table that can’t be described by as three year old as ‘shiny,'” Charlie Demerjian writes for The Inquirer.
Demerjian writes, “Let’s look at it this way, ask yourself what good new features Vista brings to the table. Most will respond that it has Aero Glass, a really pretty UI. How may other things does it bring that are positives? I can’t honestly think of one, and I’ll bet if you ask the next ten people you run into, they won’t be able to tell you any either. Repeat the same exercise in the negative, what bad new things does Vista bring? Massive crushing DRM infections, unacceptable licence terms, bloated hardware requirements, and a list of cut features long enough to paper your bathroom. To be fair, the next ten people you ask probably won’t know that part either.”
MacDailyNews Take: Why do Apple’s Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger’s Aqua GUI features work just fine here on a dusty old 400MHz Blueberry iMac G3 with 192MB of RAM on an ATI Rage 128 graphics card with just 8MB VRAM with a 10GB hard drive with only 400MB free (okay, so Widgets don’t ripple when dropped on the Dashboard, but everything important works), but to run Vista’s Aero GUI it takes at least a 1GHz CPU with a minimum of 1GB RAM with a 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB free and a minimum of 128 MB of graphics memory? To run the inefficient and derivative “Flip3D” feature from Vista, it takes that much hardware, but an over 7-year-old iMac G3 we have sitting around can use the superior Mac OS X Exposé with no problem? Just how inefficient is Microsoft’s spaghetti code? Related article: Microsoft botches another copy job: Windows Vista Flip3D vs. Apple Mac OS X Exposé – June 26, 2006
Demerjian continues, “If this is all the billions, man-hours and years brought, what was the point? We get a bloated, DRM infected rights removal tool that advances the state of the art to where Apple was the better part of a decade ago, and we are supposed to call this progress? Puh-leeze.”
“MS is in a rut. The firm has cowered, co-opted or bought all the critics, and any message coming out of the press will be well scripted. Possibly the last big OS ever made is going to be a chrome plated turd, no one has the guts to say it, everyone will pretend it is great because everyone pretends it is great,” Demerjian writes.
Full article, “Vista makes me sad; Five years for a chrome-plated turd,” here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Stoo” for the heads up.]
MacDailyNews Take: Microsoft should be embarrassed and they probably are, but we likely won’t hear about it until the internal emails are released in some court of law 5-10 years down the road.
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Turd.
Served on a silver platter….a chrome-plated turd for Zune Tang!
I don’t know why he feels sad. What did he expect from Microsoft?
Now is the time for jaws to drop. Bring on Leopard….
Tell it brother! Amen and Haleluja!
Time for the Cupertino Cat to take a bite out of the Redmond Cow.
Where’s the fanfare? The long lines and the front door sleep-overs? I have yet to see a single television commercial promoting the “greatest” OS ever developed!
Where is the Microsoft marketing (RDF) machine?
i have it running now
it is a turd
actually it is more of a yawn
thank god i didn’t actually buy it
Lets look at the bright side…today Allchin can go and buy a Mac…don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
Saw Gates on CNN,
Miles was pretty good, said it looks alot like OS10,
Gates went on about the inovation that is far ahead of Apple,
like
” the first OS to have Parental controls”
“Most advanced OS ever”
ppplllleeeeaaaasssssseeeeeeee
This whole situation is weird. It’s like a true, real life version of The Emperor’s New Clothes!
Everyone who’s knowledgeable about computers knows Vista is a pile of shit, but the masses are still gonna buy it.
“Possibly the last big OS ever made is going to be a chrome plated turd”
Yeah baby!!! Thanks for being gentle. . .
Zune Tang is not here…he is out buying a gig of RAM and a new graphics card with 128Vram. This is why you have to BUILD a pc, folks. cha-ching cha-ching…The Mac just got less expensive.
Mac user switches to Vista and then back to Mac
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16873608/
I think MDN should put together a retirement fund for Allchin
I pledge $10.00 ,
we could all chip in and buy the man a Mac
Maybe get him to do a new Mac add!! a before and after , I’m a PC, and now I am a MAC
Vista is giving turds a bad name.
What is it with that giant, ugly clock in Vista? Please tell me that can be changed or eliminated!
It reminds me of watching the school clock waiting for recess or better yet, the end of the day. In other words, it reminds me of the interminable hours and minutes waiting for the fun to start. Hmmmm…
I can’t wait until our IT monkey comes in with Vista under his arm expecting to install it on my HP Inferion (Pavilion).
The man is such a pompous dork, I think I’ll let him install it, then call him five times a day to fix it.
In the meantime, I’ll just continue to use my Mac G4 with Tiger under the hood. With a smile on my face I might add.
Maybe Allchin will have a cameo role in the next “I’m a Mac. I’m a PC.” ads. What a hoot. Imagine the possibilities.
All together now:
“It’s a turd, it’s a turd,
it’s a big fat turd!”
P.S. Don’t you wish somebody would forward these discussions to Bill Gates’ mailbox?
The real question is will Vista be vulnerable to malware? Yes, Macheads can sneer at the steep hardware requirements, crippling DRM and half assed rip offs of Mac OSX, but most people will accept it when they buy their new Dell PC’s from Best Buy on sale next year.
The real test will be if Vista is still easily infected by viruses, adware and spyware like XP is. This morning, spybot found 13 items of spyware on my fiancee’s system after one week of browsing three or four ‘trusted’ web sites using Firefox 2.0! (Don’t worry, her next system will be a Mac.)
If average consumers find out that they can’t browse their favorite websites or read their e-mails without letting the Russian mob own their computers part time, things may change. Likewise, the same will happen when evening news anchors talk about the new computer virus that affected millions of computers, including those with Windows Vista.
They need to have a new apple commercial where the PC comes on stage dressed in the Mac’s hoodie, t-shirt and jeans, announcing that he has just upgraded to Vista. Turning around, he asks the Mac how he likes his ‘new look’.
Mac looks at PC puzzledly and explains that he has had the same look for five years now, and PC denies that he copied him.
PC starts sneezing, and states that despite his new look, he just caught a virus.
A hollywood type with slicked back hair and sharkskin suit then steps on screen and takes pcs glasses off of him, puts them on the floor and stomps on them. He then explains that he has determined PC’s glasses aren’t secure enough to watch high def movies, so he gets to disable them. PC protests that he wasn’t using the glasses to watch movies, but the Hollywood guy explains that Vista allows him to do that, read the contract. PC sighs, and states that he can’t read the contract now, since his glasses just got broken.
On the verge of crying, and still sneezing, PC dejectedly says that he is still hurting from the upgrade surgery, and doesn’t even like the new look. Mac puts his hand on PC’s shoulder and tries to comfort him. Mac then makes Hollywood guy leave the commercial. [end]
I just switched another friend to Mac. I’m almost up to 15 switchers. I think Apple owes me a laptop, or Beatle iPod or something.
They had to get a used one, but at least they are on their way, and the grandmother is thinking of switching next after seeing the grandson’s Mac. The old DP G4 is faster than their infected PC.
I notice that Vista is being sold as an “update’. UPDATE to what? To Vista? But, this is Vista’s first release!! Ah! It must be an update to XP!! So, we really have Windows XP Vista!!
clyde Dell doesn’t sell through Best Buy. OTOH Apple does.
I’m not embarrassed to say it’s a chrome plated TURD!
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I totally agree!
@Tommy Boy
Mea culpa. Edit last post to read “most people will accept it when they buy their new dull PC’s from Best Buy on sale next year.”
Work fer ya?
@IT2
you gotta get up early in the morning to beat me bro. I’m at 27 switchers and counting since the release of Bootcamp. I’ve got 10 more coming this next month – my credit union board of trustees. They were actually paying about $400 a month to set up an audio conference call between 8 people. I was in doing a deposit last Oct, sat down at the table to balance my checkbook on the ibook, and my daughter video chatted me on iChat. The manager saw this, came over, FREAKED OUT at the technology and that started the ball rolling. Once he learned about boot camp and parallels, he got weak at the knees! lol.
Vista isn’t winning any prizes for security. It misses 84% of viruses made for XP Ms will be
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This may need its own page MDN:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/25/HNdefenderattack_1.html
Flip3D is a seriously poor copy of CoverFlow!
same turd, different polish!!!
Err, careful now. You sound like those Windows crackheads who can only slander in return and shout “Macs suck”.
Wow, what an article. I hadn’t heard the term “DRM Infected.” He had an interesting link to a tech article that lists Vistas DRM limitations. UNBELIEVABLE! If you have the time and are a bit of a tech junkie, it’s an amazing read.
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
Balmer! ROTFLMAO! Balmer! LOL! WAaaaaaHAHAHAHA!
Balmer! Oh stop, please! LOL! !!!! ROTFLMAO,,,,BALMER!!!! WAAAAAA!!!!!
Whew,oh the HUMANITY……
No WOW in San Francisco:
http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2007/01/windows-vista-launch-san-francisco.html
I think the 15 GB install footprint of Shitsa says it all!
“Saw Gates on CNN,
Miles was pretty good, said it looks alot like OS10,
Gates went on about the inovation that is far ahead of Apple,
like
” the first OS to have Parental controls”
“Most advanced OS ever” “
How can he get away with such bold-faced lies on national TV??? Can’t some one challenge him?
No wow in raleigh, either:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/sns-ap-microsoft-vista-launch,0,3264679.story?coll=chi-bizfront-hed
What do you make of the manner in which Microsoft has ushered in the release of Vista? Excerpt taken from PC World article:
But the event was short on corporate substance and long on glitz. And Office 2007, which was released to consumers alongside Vista today, was scarcely mentioned, as entertainment was more of a focus of the event than software.
The event they’re referring to, was the superficial New York launch on Monday, whereby ballmer and gates compared the impact of Vista’s release to Windows 95. In comparison, the ’95 release was a huge mega-attraction and the PC world rejoiced.
Windows 95 had also been five years in development since the introduction of Windows 3.0 and by comparison there was much reason to celebrate, given the advancements of ’95 over 3.0.
Also interesting is Microsoft used a secondary marketing firm rather than their main or primary PR firm to promote the Vista event which to me implies Vista wasn’t worth the effort.
A mediocre celebration for a mediocre product. No offense to Edleman.
Not even any Wow on stage at Microsoft’s roll-out, see 2nd photo on left:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/30/technology/30soft.html?_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin
Seems to me that Flip3D is an “intended copy” of Time Machine. Funny thing is that M$ didn’t quite understand what they were copying. Right Idea, wrong function.
WHAT A JOKE. LMAO
Apple makes software with purpose. Simplicity drives the user interface.
The even bigger joke is the system requirements of this turd. Not to mention the 14 (if you count 64 bit) different versions of the software. Check it out here.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919183
Notice that Vista Basic has different requirements. That is because its the default OS that comes with your new PC or you buy in the store for under $100 as Bill put it and is crippled (less features than XP for the same price) and designed to bait and switch you to downloading the better features from their web site that your system probably can’t support.
As an IT Professional, I am both laughing at M$ and sad that this POS is such a HUGE dissapointment.
And Yes. I have Used Vista (Ultimate Edition NOT BETA) since they released to businesses. All I can say is this…. IT BLOWS.
no wow with Miles O’Brian of CNN,
http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/30/technology/gates/index.htm?cnn=yes
wow 14 versions? 14 versions? jesus christ, why can apple make ONE version of their software that runs on macines that are 7years old and modern ones and MS can’t get this right?
why do they need to confuse people so much, keep it simple stupid. i guess their philosophy is that with so many versions it gives people the illusion that they are gettiung a piece of software specifically designed for their hardware, and to then point them in the direction of upgrading.
greedy pricks, dirty, slimy, lying, assholes. sorry to not elevate the discourse, but jesus!
i’m glad i run a mac… have since 90. Hate windows.
that said, it’s unfair to say: ” Why do Apple’s Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger’s Aqua GUI features work just fine here on a dusty old 400MHz Blueberry iMac G3 with 192MB of RAM on an ATI Rage 128 graphics card with just 8MB VRAM with a 10GB hard drive with only 400MB free (okay, so Widgets don’t ripple when dropped on the Dashboard, but everything important works), but to run Vista’s Aero GUI it takes at least a 1GHz CPU with a minimum of 1GB RAM with a 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB free and a minimum of 128 MB of graphics memory?”
quartz extreme doesn’t run on that. and more over. just cause you can run OS X on that computer, doesn’t mean that it’s the most engaging computer experience.
OS X is better than vista. we get it. no need to be unclassy by splitting hairs.
part of the fun of being a mac user is having the class. don’t ruin that with half truths and partial lies.
“everyone will pretend it is great because everyone pretends it is great,”
Perfect! And oh-so true!
Balmer **does** look like uncle fester, doesn’t he?
Does anyone see that Steve Ballmer is starting to look more and more like Peter Boyle in “Young Frankenstein”?
Coincidence? I really don’t think so.
Mac90, Flip 3D was demoed before Time Machine was revealed. It’s definitely a copy of Expose, but not as useful as MS had to work around Apple’s patents.
When you view your customers as just so many dung beetles, this is what you give them.
It looks he is very sad. I do not know whats his expectation ?
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But as far as I knew Windows Vista is not that reliable compared to Windows XP. Everyone who installed vista feels that it’s not that good as it appealed.
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