Twitter issues statement regarding world leaders on Twitter

Twitter Inc. on Friday posted the following statement to the official Twitter blog:

There’s been a lot of discussion about political figures and world leaders on Twitter, and we want to share our stance.

Twitter is here to serve and help advance the global, public conversation. Elected world leaders play a critical role in that conversation because of their outsized impact on our society.

Blocking a world leader from Twitter or removing their controversial Tweets would hide important information people should be able to see and debate. It would also not silence that leader, but it would certainly hamper necessary discussion around their words and actions.

We review Tweets by leaders within the political context that defines them, and enforce our rules accordingly. No one person’s account drives Twitter’s growth, or influences these decisions. We work hard to remain unbiased with the public interest in mind.

We are working to make Twitter the best place to see and freely discuss everything that matters. We believe that’s the best way to help our society make progress.

Source: Twitter Inc.

MacDailyNews Take: As Justice Brandeis said, “Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants.”

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. ― George Orwell

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ― Evelyn Beatrice Hall (S. G. Tallentyre)

If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. ― George Washington

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116 Comments

  1. If Trump left or was blocked on Twitter, he would simply move to gab.ai and Twitter would be a ghost town in three months.

    “if you mess with the bull, you get the horns.”

    1. If Twitter tried to block Trump I imagine the entire news media would sue them. Without the continuous stream of foolishness he spouts off, which they use to prop up their ratings and exposure, they’d have to resort to divulging actual news.

      1. …meanwhile, back in the deep, dark, dank, damp forests of Chappaqua, The Clot cracks open her third bottle of Chardonnay, mumbling, “I ain’t in no ways tard.”

        dolt.

    2. Botty, Twitter existed and grew to serve billions long before Trump became POTUS. And Twitter will exist after Trump is no longer POTUS or if Trump moves to another social platform. If you think that Teitter is focusing its business decisions around Trump, then you are as deluded as that pompous gasbag.

      1. Twitter is the last refuge of the narcissist. When the Trump presidency sputters to its inevitable end in an avalanche of lawsuits and staff indictments, we all hope Twitter will implode as well. What a waste both have turned out to be.

    1. dingus – I am with you as that Twitter platform is not my preference – but I think it does have a place for some folks and I see many people use it properly – with brief shares that can tap into various events in different ways. Sometimes very fun shares unfold and it does have a place – eh? but it is not the platform for everyone and it surely is not the ideal platform for “certain” types of sharing… hmmmm

        1. yes – fully agree – and it can be overdone – so habitual that it actually becomes sloppy – watered down sharing –
          but some – not all – seem to “twitter it right”
          (and thanks for the reply)

    2. Twitter is an extraordinary tool. You can use it to monitor nonsense if you like. Or you can monitor tweets from people you admire, news sources you trust, and so on. In doing so it becomes the greatest heads-up system on the Internet. People who go around bad mouthing twitter all the time are typically those who look for garbage. Seek and ye shall find.

      1. Electronic opinions and gossip. As soon as the twitter bird appeared in every chain store window and corporate website everyone knew it was just another one-way platform for PR dickwads to blast out their endless trickle of misdirection and FUD.

        You seek information? You need, and have always needed, at least three sources of information to triangulate about where the thurh lies. With twitter, reliable longform analysis has been killed in favor of a smokescreen claiming to be fast and direct truth. But it isn’t. It is not peer reviewed, it is not independently verified. Nothing on twitter is anything but slanted propaganda, idiots parroting rumors, and worse. Complete truth has never, ever been uttered on twitter. By anyone. Ever.

        Feel free to drink in the propaganda and marketing bull, look what a strong unified world it creates. Democracy is dying as the competition between independent professional investigative journalists dies under the weight of a lazy generation who is too lazy to read more than 240 characters at a time and to stupid to expose themselves to data that didn’t come from their self-selected team. Tribalism will be the death of powerful nations.

        1. “. Complete truth has never, ever been uttered on twitter. By anyone. Ever.”

          A) You have NOT read every comment on Twitter, EVER.

          B) I read “complete truth” all the time.

          Even some tweets from President Trump are 100% factual.

          I suggest you change the name of your avatar from Realist to Absolutist …

            1. Typical blowhard response, not able to back up your assertion. Why should I do ‘your’ homework dumbo, for something you said?
              Just like your Animal Farm gasbag mates here – no substance, just loudmouth worship of your pig-in-chief Napoleon.
              Is there a term for a dimwit worshipper of a plutocratic imbecile?…why yes… lickspittle

            2. “Typical blowhard response”

              “Blowhard” is “typical” CHILDISH name calling.

              “not able to back up your assertion.”

              Says you. I didn’t say it! How do you know? Answer: You DON’T KNOW and blowing smoke. Congrats, you are now disqualified for professions of Judge, Lawyer and Journalist. Those professions deal in FACTS, NOT ASSUMPTIONS as you do.

              “Why should I do ‘your’ homework dumbo,”

              Childish name calling, take TWO.

              “just loudmouth worship of your pig-in-chief Napoleon.”

              Show your mother the disrespect you have for our hard working President.

              “Is there a term for a dimwit worshipper of a plutocratic imbecile?…why yes… lickspittle”

              Libtard that voted for Obama TOPS the list …. 😆

        2. You do not have to follow PR websites. You can choose to, but do not have to.

          Plenty of experts on many subjects have Twitter accounts and post on their work and stuff they find interesting related to it. Everything from hobbies to highbrow science.

          I have found out that a thoughtful and respectful question- even in opposition- will earn a thoughtful reply. Even Tim Cook reads his Tweets (at least sometimes).

          If I thought Apple would not make it report to Eddie Cue, Twitter would be a good acquisition for Apple. Twitter could use the financial stability and Apple could use the Social Media expertise. Remember Ping?

      2. That’s the right way to look at it: it’s a tool, one with multiple useful functions. I, myself, seldom use my Twitter account but keep it active as a backchannel in case of disruptive world events, just like my survival kit and AARL buddies.

      3. Exactly,
        Follow organizations and people along lines of your interest and see the news before it gets filtered on TV or online by others.

        Then there are the ones who operate in a self selected bubble (echo chamber) where they tweet the same talking points to each other. This happens on the Left and Right, BTW.

        Others use it for celebrity stuff.

  2. “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. ― George Orwell”

    “If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. ― George Washington”

    This exactly is why Trump’s law suit against Michael Wolf’s new Book, and his attempt to stop its publication is so extraordinary. As is his repeated attempts to threaten the free press.

    1. Trump has not prosecuted one reporter.

      The Obama Administration prosecuted several. At worst the Trump Administration has mocked the media, and see’n as 95%(according to a Pew Study I believe) of the stories about Trump are negative, he is well within his rights to be nagative right back at them.

      1. Trump maybe boar-ish, but Mr Obama was subversive in cases with the media. The word used often is such cases is “weaponize.” Neither are desirable, but one is merely offensive and the other is fascist-like. (**not the Mr. Wolf that’s questioning facts in his own book).

          1. …in the year 2024:

            “Yes, Virginia, there was once a political party called the democrats.”

            “What happened to them, Grandpa?”

            “They tried to destroy our country, honey, so we knocked their dícks in the dirt.”

            “I love that story, Grandpa.”

            1. Okay that was funny! But finish the story…

              “Wasn’t there another party Grandpa?”

              Yeah they were stuck in the ’50s and never managed to escape. They never got past the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution and eventually, out of senility, shot themselves in the dick!

              “That’s even better Grandpa!”

      2. I don’t know about prosecution but the Obama administration conducted Orwellian surveillance activities on the press.

        http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/331554-media-bemoans-trump-but-didnt-mind-obamas-years-of-stomping-press

        The Obama administration’s Justice Department spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen. The DOJ, led by Eric Holder, somehow labeled Rosen an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal case, even went so far as to call him a flight risk. He thereby avoided the pesky need to inform him he was under surveillance. Of course, he was guilty of absolutely nothing. Holder would much later acknowledge regret over the Rosen subpoena. Thanks for playing.

        The same DOJ seized two months of phone records from the Associated Press. Close your eyes for a moment and picture the reaction if Attorney General Jeff Sessions had been found to order the same action against the New York Times. If anything but the apocalypse comes to mind, you’re in a small minority.

        The Obama administration rejected more Freedom of Information Act requests than any administration in history. That was after Obama promised the “most transparent” administration in history.

        New York Times reporter James Risen summed it up well when he called the Obama administration “the most anti-press administration since the Nixon administration.”

        “Over the past eight years, the [Obama] administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined,” Risen wrote for The Times in a Dec. 30, 2016 column. “It has repeatedly used the Espionage Act, a relic of World War I-era red-baiting, not to prosecute spies but to go after government officials who talked to journalists.”

        But for the previous eight years of outright giddiness at the White House Correspondents Dinner, no First Amendment pins were handed out. No speeches were given about threats to press freedom.

        1. Exactly. If this site is read by the “more technical” crowd, then I am at a total loss to understand how many of them don’t simply see the lying news media. It is really not that hard to do.

          Read a few of Trump’s tweets at the beginning of the day, then compare that to what CNN reports. 90% of the time, CNN distorts the truth or ignores facts.

          1. Goeb, did you even read your article?
            Blackwolf claimed, “Trump has not prosecuted one reporter. The Obama administration prosecuted several.”
            Several people challenged the truth of that claim. your article from a frustrated journalist doesn’t show anything other than federal prosecutors doing their jobs, preventing classified information from being leaked. Same as every administration before it. This NYT reporter’s frustration with getting stories about the CIA published shows that both the Bush administration and from the Obama administration were consistent. He was pressured and warned and challenged in court to reveal who was leaking to him classified CIA intelligence, but the reporter was not prosecuted. “Several” journalists were not prosecuted, they were prevented from leaking antiterrorist intelligence. Countersuits were filed against the administrations claiming freedom of information, which I personally wholeheartedly endorse. However, the courts in the end agreed with the administration and decided that top secret information could not be published on grounds of national security. This is how the system is supposed to work.

            Normally one would think an extreme right winger like Goeb would put national security and anti-terrorism intelligence above politics, but no, Goeb shows how low he can go, attempting to slander Obama, who in my opinion conducted two more terms of the Bush administration’s antiterrorism policy. Not one right winger here uttered a peep when Dubya talked tough on terrorism and overreached all over the place without checks and balances. Who knows what the CIA was doing under Cheney’s meddling interference? No republican wanted to know. Little has changed in that regard in a decade; to hear modern chicken hawks speak, they love military power managed under a single party, like China or Russia. Checks and balances and compromise and representation of the citizen above the party, that’s all inconvenience that the new right wing extremists refuse to allow. They will attack the free press, a right enshrined in the Constitution and essential to democracy, unless that press reveals anything about their party. People like Goeb will in one sentence demand that Wolff be sued for slander for writing a book of witness accounts of the White House to which he was granted access, and then in the next breath he will attempt to throw the other party under the bus for trying to keep the nation safe, which includes protecting classified intelligence. Party before country every time, eh Goeb?

            1. who was outraged at Bush’s overstepping pertaining to privacy and personal rights. It was Bush’s actions that was the turning point for my perception of govt. My only call to Pennsylvania Ave was to complain out Bush’s continued Big Brother moves. It was also the start of calling myself a conservative and not aligned presumptively with Repubs. GeoB does seem to wear his tunnel glasses 24/7.

            2. “Goeb, did you even read your article?”

              Three times. Best behind the Washington swamp scenes by a Pulitzer Prize reporter first-person account I ever read.

              “frustrated journalist”

              With the secretive swamp, yes indeed.

              “doesn’t show anything other than federal prosecutors doing their jobs, preventing classified information from being leaked.”

              Did you read the article? Risen mentions the swamp marketplace of ILLEGALLY leaked classified information, which BTW, set a record under President Trump.

              “This NYT reporter’s frustration with getting stories about the CIA published shows that both the Bush administration and from the Obama administration were consistent.”

              Agreed.

              “He was pressured and warned and challenged in court to reveal who was leaking to him classified CIA intelligence, but the reporter was not prosecuted.”

              Yeah, well “Deep Throat” also leaked FBI intelligence. Hell, he was so protected by the press and never uncovered or charged. Went on to become a pillar of cause célèbre investigative journalism and major motion picture. Both were not found guilty under different circumstances, seems fair.

              “Normally one would think an extreme right winger like Goeb”

              Facts are not extreme and not exclusive to either party. I’m a life long REGISTERED independent.

              “but no, Goeb shows how low he can go, attempting to slander Obama”

              Again sonny, FACTS are inconvenient truths and and not exclusive to either party. GoeB had nothing to do with Obama’s actions and court appointees. Unprecedented and the most egregious ruling against journalists in HISTORY. And another Obama fact you cannot defend and hopefully will not like — Obama’s record going after journalists is unprecedented. Again, I had NOTHING to do with it.

              “They People like Goeb will in one sentence demand that Wolff be sued for slander for writing a book of witness accounts of the White House to which he was granted access, and then in the next breath he will attempt to throw the other party under the bus for trying to keep the nation safe”

              Show me MY QUOTES where I said: Sue Wolff for anything.

              You LIE!

              I presented an insightful article that stands on its own and questions both parties. And all you got is make this about me and put motives in my head?

              You TOTALLY MISSED the WHOLE POINT so called Outside Observer.

              Pity …

      3. @Blackwolf: Obama’s AG, Eric Holder, was too incompetent to impede the press. Google and other deep pocketed Silicon Valley donors ran the White House for all practical purposes just as Breibart operatives do today.

        Traditional newspapers can bitch and moan all they want, the digital mobile revolution arrived and catered to the American 30 second attention span. But it would be wrong to give Obama any credit or blame for the implosion of the magazine and traditional publishing industries. Steve Jobs and the Silicon Valley IT companies did that. Can you post a link to substantiate your claims to the contrary?

        The Trump administration, which is in constant turmoil, has proven inadequate to bring forth any case against anyone. It is barely able to defend the many poorly thought out federal mandates and bans it attempted to ram through in exactly the same manner that Trump complained his predecessor did. Ironically, as Trump has a hard on for 19th century industries, and every day creates enough bullshit to restore the newspaper industry singlehanded.

  3. What a load of self importance, looks like that classic cover up, people from Apple’s home nation are above the law.

    “Blocking a world leader from Twitter or removing their controversial Tweets would hide important information people should be able to see and debate.”

    Looks like the chump has a free ticket to twitter and he can ignore the short comings of free speech for his nation, things like fraud, illegal conduct (although that’s never stopped anyone from Apple’s home nation before), inciting lawless action, the use of untruths to harm others (slander, almost a national past time).

    Way to go, the twat at twitter has free reign to do what he wants, and we all know what he loves to do, bully others.

    1. So when Obama was in office and someone (not a public official) tweeted that s/he didn’t agree with Obama’s handling of the budget deficit (or ANYTHING ELSE), tens of thousands would threaten and harass the poster that s/he is a racist. Then the angry mob of liberals & SJWs would try to determine the poster’s place of employment with the goal of getting the poster fired.

      If that’s not bullying, I don’t know what is. And I’m sure that you, Road Warrior, fully support this kind of behavior when it emanates from those who share your political views.

      What a worthless hypocrite you and your kind are.

      1. You talk about libtards as if they are scum and you are correct. Those tens of thousands harassing people through twitter should have had their accounts suspended if the principles of free speech limits were to be applied. Of course that is speculation, I’d love to have a link, reference to that, and would love for you to provide me with a concrete scenario. It would not surprise me. The Obummer’s claim to fame is that he is the first president to sustain a war during the entirety of his presidency and he failed to close that Guantanamo on the Bay resort that has made your nation what it is today, a fifth rate torturer and betrayer of humanity.

        When I talk about a bully nation like Apple’s home nation, I’m talking about any and every political party that has governed since the shrub. There is so much hate coming from your nation on both sides of that political spectrum. Twitter certainly doesn’t want to stop that, fear and hatred, it’s what that nation embraces. Typical of a nation that has lost any sense of morality and is bereft of ethics.

          1. And don’t forget your nation is a NATO deadbeat. When are you going to get in line and pay what you should be paying. That would save your so precious tax payers tons of money.

            1. You understanding of the US, its politics and laws is next to nonexistent. No laws have been broken. Most of your European types don’t have or understand what real free speech is. Without the US NATO could not do very much. The US spends so much on its defense budget so you guys can put all your money into socialist programs. The US puts in money and material that any other NATO country. Also the US isn’t about taking 40% of a citizens income for socialist programs like in many EU countries. Without the tech innovations from US companies like Apple where would the EU be? What innovations have come out of the EU recently?

            2. Thank you for your feedback. My understanding of the US, its politics and laws is thankfully next to nonexistent. That’s probably why I picked up a paragraph from wikipedia. Really should have referenced it. I also understand very little about the mechanics of cars, but I know enough to drive one. Similarly while I may know very little, I do know that there are limitations to free speech. That quality of information can sometimes be more relevant then the quantity of information one has.

              So my point is that there are limits of free speech, a limit that Twitter has decided does not apply to world leaders. Your comment about how little I know about the law is spot on yet I still believe my point is accurate, there are limits to free speech and it appears that Twitter will ignore that for world leaders.

              I’m not saying that any laws have been broken and I’m not a fan when comes to censorship. If the chump wants to talk about the size of his functional button go ahead, I’m sure there are those that want to know if it is an innie our outie, and will be astonished at how much better he can press it than some guy with glasses, but when he is the only one that has that ability, it becomes a special privilege, an inequality.

              I’ll give you the thumbs up on NATO, heck you put in so much, take it out, use it for that infrastructure project. Then it will do even less. Everyone should pay an equal share, the deadbeat should pay up and the hyped up should slow down.

              Funny you should mention that EU innovation stuff. Yes Europe lags behind others in innovation but there are some like Skype and Spotify that may be worthy to note. Oh that’s just Sweden, you are talking about the EU. As it so happens in 2012 the European Union (EU) won the Nobel Peace Prize. That’s a pretty good innovation, it would be a great innovation for your nation, after all when was the last time your country was at peace?

              No, I don’t know much, but I do know what war mongering bullies are with or without the glasses.

            3. when referencing the Nobel Peace Prize as “a pretty good innovation” per the EU’s 2012 receipt. Wasn’t the “Prize” soiled in your mind after awarding it to someone on mere Hope a couple of years prior? As I’ve said before, what an presumptuous attitude you have obsessively airing hatred on a tech site. Square peg, round hole causes weariness for all. And what did Albert say about doing the same thing over/over and expecting different results?

            4. It’s a common practice to attack the reference to a question as you have with the Nobel Peace Prize. No the prize was not soiled in my mind after it was awarded as you said a couple of years prior to human rights activist Liu Xiabo in 2010.

              Funny that you focused on the prize and who got it when instead of the actual concept of peace being a good innovation for Apple’s home nation but that’s not a surprising result.

              I’m not airing out hatred, I’m pointing out one of the places where the hatred comes from, perhaps one day you will be able to discern the difference. If that makes you weary though don’t read it. I’m definitely repeating but I’m not expecting different results, at least not yet.

            5. ” Wasn’t the “Prize” soiled in your mind after awarding it to someone on mere Hope a couple of years prior?”

              The reference is to Obama who won the prize just a couple months into his presidency. What did he do for peace, besides being elected? So yes, FOREVER SOILED IMHO …

            6. How do you know that his reference is to oh bummer, are you speaking for You Bombed Your Entire Augument? That’s pretty amazingly arrogant, congratulations, you’ve done your patriotic duty for the week.

              At any rate if he was talking about Ohbummer, he should learn to tell time.

              You have no clue as to what he did for peace except be elected? That’s so incredibly narrow minded, and lazy. He won the prize for the promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a “new climate” in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world.

              And you think that being elected was something that was done for peace. Wow, you really are so full of yourself there ain’t no room for nothing else. His election resulted in the continued search for that weapons of mass destruction program, Bin Laden was taken on his watch, he kept Guantanamo on the Bay open, he’s kept your war mongering nation at war for the entirety of his mandate. No other president can boast of that war record.

              So he’s done pretty good promoting peace and war.

              Past that though, it wasn’t about the Nobel prize, it wasn’t about who won it, it was about the concept of peace and a question, when was the last time Apple’s home country was at peace?

              No one has answered, How do you know that the reference is to oh bummer? You speaking for You Bombed Your Entire Augument? That’s pretty amazingly arrogant, congratulations, you’ve done your patriotic duty for the week.

              At any rate if he was talking about Ohbummer, he should learn to tell time.

              You have no clue as to what he did for peace except be elected? That’s so incredibly narrow minded, and lazy. He won the prize for the promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a “new climate” in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world.

              And you think that being elected was something that was done for peace. Wow, you really are so full of yourself there ain’t no room for nothing else. His election resulted in the continued search for that weapons of mass destruction program, Bin Laden was taken on his watch, he kept Guantanamo on the Bay open, he’s kept your war mongering nation at war for the entirety of his mandate. No other president can boast of that war record.

              So he’s done pretty good promoting peace and war.

              Past that though, it wasn’t about the Nobel prize, it wasn’t about who won it, it was about the concept of peace and a question, when was the last time Apple’s home country was at peace?

              No one has answered, I guess you just don’t have what it takes to count that far back.

            7. My guess to what the poster was referring to.

              Obvious you seized upon it and wrote a DULL OF YOURSELF, no surprise there, VOLUME of fiction.

              Obama won the Noble Peace Prize a couple months into his presidency? Feel good statements not backed by ACTION and TANGIBLE RESULTS. Liberal award from a liberal nation, gee what a surprise.

              Get a grip, and hope you get help for your hate toward the U.S. …

            8. I love how these dimwitted Democrat/socialists downvote anything that actually makes sense and rings of true freedom of speech. It seems that they want to be like the Europeans, socialist/progressives who are like DUMB sheep being led to their slaughter by allowing and giving the government as much power and freedom they can take away from us. Truly western democracy is going to hell in a hand basket because we think it is ok for government agencies to freely spy on us and they want to become a global village. Such a sad state of affairs. Freedom is having the right to say what I want to say when and to whom I want to say it. George Orwell’s 1984 is here but one generation lter then he predicted ( around ) 40 years. So sad.

            9. I think you are missing out on the dimwitted repukekkkans as well, like the ones that like dumb sheep actually believed the shrub and company’s wah wah whine about Iraq having a weapons of mass destruction program, and proceeded to embrace torture, a totally unethical war and a general betrayal of humanity.

              Western democracy is doing fine and dandy, but certainly not in Apple’s home nation, which essentially is not a terrorist war mongering state.

              I’m certainly into freedom of speech but I also believe in freedom of listening, i.e. if you don’t want to listen to someone you should not be forced to have to. Being forced to listen to what someone wishes to say to me is not freedom. That being said, I do try to listen to as many points of view as possible.

              It’s always darkest before the dawn, and it’s still getting darker, but eventually the light of humanity will shine brighter and guide us forward.

            10. Iraq’s leader did attack villages of Kurds with nerve gas of some kind, wiping out many, so he did have access to biological weapons and proved he wasn’t beyond using them. And U.S.’s versions of “torture” don’t hold a candle to the style of torture handed out by those in the Middle East.

            11. Hey Mac Raven, are you talking about the Halabja chemical attack? That was in 1988, the second Iraq invasion was in 2003, that’s like 15 year prior. The weapons used in 1988 were probably the ones designed by Apple’s home nation.

              I would hope that the version of torture used by Apple’s home nation doesn’t hold a candle to yours, after all that country is an upstarts when it comes to tortures, got to give the newest traitor to humanity a little slack.

            12. together…that’s how he not-presumptuously knew that “Hope” and “a couple of years prior” pointed to the winner that was Apple’s home nation’s president at that time.
              Per awarding because of a perceived intention is laughable. I bet you think all Little League players should win a prize just for showing up? If there were peace efforts in the works with locomotion, ok, it’s could be reasonable. In that case you’d expect the locomotion to bring more peace to fruition…for the respect of the award to be maintained? This wasn’t the case at all. The King O went to Egypt and shouted wide/far to the people that He was there to save them. The Arab Spring soon followed. Not only that, but Iraq got muckier than ever, Lybia spiraled downward, Turkey’s strongman decided less freedom was better and then there’s Iran and that’s The King O’s most crowning “achievement” . The Peace-Man? Hardly. Worth the Prize? Not in my estimation. The Prize? Defrauded. Such a prize is to be given out because of an achievement, not as a Hope. Since it was given out as a Hope for change, it smells pretty political to me. Therefore, yes…soiled.

            13. There have been some comments/questions from others:

              – Wasn’t the “Prize” soiled in your mind after awarding it to someone on mere Hope a couple of years prior?

              No, the prize was not awarded to someone on mere hope.

              – The reference is to Obama who won the prize just a couple months into his presidency. What did he do for peace, besides being elected?

              There is a wikipedia article on that peace prize and it states: “The 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to United States President Barack Obama for his “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples”. The Norwegian Nobel Committee announced the award on October 9, 2009, citing Obama’s promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a “new climate” in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world.

              That’s what he did for world peace, prior to his becoming president (he was nominated less than two weeks after being in office). He did not win it because of a perceived intention that I know of, he did not win it just for showing up, at least not from the references I have read though certainly that there was a sentiment of hope that he would continue peaceful moves and I did come across one article where there was regret on behalf of the Nobel Secretary, Geir Lundestad.

              Now I’m keeping an open mind so if you have a reference where he was awarded the prize based on mere hope, bring it on. Otherwise, well it looks like you are speculating, distracting and failing to see what he actually won the prize for. What I’m reading is that he won it based on prior work and efforts.

              All that aside, it still does not answer the question I’ve been asking, when was the last time Apple’s home nation was at peace? Now you might view the Nobel Peace Prize as soiled, that’s fine, but what about the innovation of peace itself? I know Apple’s home nation has had very few years of peace, the majority of its history has been at war, that’s easily referenced and that’s very telling. So is peace soiled? Gauging from the actions of the nation, it prefers war over peace. That looks pretty darn clear and any country that is that obsessed with war and acts against humanity the way it has is soiled.

          2. Exactly. “NATO” is nothing more than an acronym for “Protected by the United States.” When are the members of NATO going to stop priding themselves on their public services and start building their up their own militaries to protect themselves?

            It’s time for the U.S. to leave NATO, as well as eject the United Nations.

        1. The problem is, you take the actions of tens of thousands out of tens on millions and paint a massive group of people with your “libtsrd” brush. You do the very things that you rant against but, somehow, it is OK when *you* do it. That is called hypocrisy and it stinks.

          The far right and alt-right are just as screwed up as the far left. Extremists are almost always full of crap and impossible to reason with. Moderation is the path to sane and responsible governance.

          1. A fine post and yes, moderation and tolerance are beautiful humane values that I appreciate.

            That being said, I certainly don’t take the actions that those from your terrorist nation do. I don’t come from a nation that invades others on false premises nor one that runs torture gulags at the Guanatanamo on the Bay resort or using the Coast Guard to operate like pirates in international waters.

            Also my comments are directed to those in government, not the mainstream people of Apple’s home nation, which for the most part are as fine people as can be found anywhere.

            Part of the solution perhaps is to figure out the mystery of the name calling. Sometimes it’s just to reflect to see if people can dish out what they can, take but more importantly it’s to show where one has gone and where one can go.

            So when I call Apple’s home nation a terrorist nation, there are reasons for it, facts. I also see it as a temporary situation. Apple’s home nation was once a grand happy place, and it could be again one day. Get out of Iraq, you had no reason to be there, acknowledge it. Close down the torture gulags, adhere to the principles of the Declaration of Human Rights, bring those responsible for betraying humanity to justice. It’s not just about name calling, it’s about charting a course for the future, a sustainable course, a humane course.

            That’s why your insight is appreciated, you are spot on, the extremes are screwed up, on both sides but unfortunately that is what is running your country now and has been for some time. It leads to sore losers and poor winners. The name calling can go on, but to me it boils down to this concept, tolerance.

            The government of Apple’s home nation lacks tolerance and as such you are now a threat to the humane race. The opportunity for change is still upon you but time is running short. Embrace integrity, ethics and morality, discard them at your own risk, for I’m on the humane side, sustainable and enduring.

            1. My family in BC and NWT keep begging me to join them. I told them firmly that I preferred to remain in the US as an agent for change. My great-uncle suggested I could make a killing in Ireland as a consultant, but I told him there are more important things in life than money. Not many, but there are a few.

            2. That’s courageous, staying. I can appreciate that. It’s a big challenge, after all your nation was born in war, and your history is one of war.

              Fortunately you are a young nation, so it might be able to learn another trick, though I have to admit peace is a huge threat to your nation as it is to most war mongering nations.

            3. Let me tell you something. In my youth I met an interesting young man, a Hungarian intellectual. His aristocrat family had lost their status and holdings in the Communist takeover, and he had become cynical about politics. He related how the democratic yearnings of the fiercely independent Magyars had been crushed by political opportunism and violence, and he foresaw the same ominous conditions in the United States. Thus, he fled to Canada, taking my younger sister along with him, and started a new clan.

              My Hungarian friend had been uncannily prescient about US mendacity and hypocrisy, possibly because of his European experience, but those of us who’d been raised here never saw it coming: America’s spectacular fall from grace, its rebranding as a warmonger in the service of corporate interests even after after having won World Wars I and II. The good guys turned out to be the villains.

              When I look back at my own clan, who may have had a hand in the Irish Republican Army and the Troubles, I can only open my hands to a mercy of judgment. I know of no other clan free of ambition, or of blood.

            4. Thank you for that lovely and insightful story. There are a lot of posts here with people changing names and doing a poor job at nit picking me and not taking responsibility. You on the other hand, you have what it takes, the courage to say it “The good guys turned out to be the villains.” Acknowledging that there is an issue is often the first step with dealing it. You are one, there are others. That gives me hope and brightens my day. I hope more wake up so that they can leave that war path of hatred your nation is so obsessed with. There are better things to do, supporting humanity is one of them.

        2. “Apple’s home nation?” Does that some how permit/justify bringing your wearying US hatred to a tech site? Or, just superstitious…referring to the US in 3rd person protects you from the imagined US demons? Watch out for that crack in the sidewalk…they’re very scary.

          1. “Apple’s home nation?” Does that some how permit/justify bringing your wearying US hatred to a tech site? Or, just superstitious…referring to the US in 3rd person protects you from the imagined US demons? Watch out for that crack in the sidewalk…they’re very scary.

            Excellent point about mentioning Apple’s home nation in the 3rd person and there is a reason behind all that.

            You may have noticed on this site you’ll see lots of derogatory and colorful comments made towards others. Here are a couple of recent ones:

            -botvinnik Saturday, January 6, 2018 – 1:56 am · fúck Mohammed…The Prophet Of Pedophila….that clearer, jackass?

            -King Khan Tuesday, December 5, 2017 – 3:49 am · Reply You presume Apple is pressing the Chicoms behind the scenes. How do you know this is true? It is more likely Apple is being pressed by the Chicoms.

            I don’t have an issue with that, if people want to call others names, that’s fine, heck I might even join them. So I started off with a couple of my own terms, directed at Apple’s home nation. It got my posts removed and for a while I was banned. When I inquired about the reason why I was given that there were complaints. Those poor folks from Apple’s home nation can sure dish out the insults oh but they go crying when they get them, classic bully reaction, they can’t take what they dish out.

            At any rate I’ve agreed to and no longer use those terms. In fact, I don’t even mention Apple’s home nation by name, unless of course I’m quoting someone.

            Great question, hope this takes care of it.

            Oh and watch out for people who stand up to bullies, they can be very scary to bullies.

            1. It just fortifies my conclusion. You’re obscuring a reality with a figure of speech in order to voice your obsessive, wearying and misplaced hatred for the US. In essence, you are ok with being deceitful to fulfill your obsession. I’ll just call that straight-up hypocrisy. The heart of man is prone to all kinds of junk…and that includes mine, “the US’s” and your own. Please, it’s time to step down off your high horse and take your pitch to your own closet, only. The story you incessantly bring here is a mismatch and is even counterproductive to your own aims/wishes. Like I’ve commented before, diverting your energy into a UN org, a community org, or some group with shared passion and hatred, would serve you, me and most others on this site (don’t want to presume “all”). To continue would show/shows your own depravity as you are unwilling, unmovable, total resistant to people’s voices. What do we call people that don’t respect, consider or modify themselves per well-meaning recommendations? Not with positive adjectives and it’s again so contrary and hypocritical as it comes from one proclaiming the malevolence of another. Different scale? Of course. Related flavor? How ironic, yes.

            2. Oh that’s so rich, picking on the style I use to post while nary a word on the obsession held by your nation for war, notably that war in Iraq. No comment there, I guess your country isn’t weary of killing all those innocent civilians to the point of genocide numbers. No comment on the torturing of your nation, nope it’s all about how I express myself.

              I don’t hate your country, those that do hate tend to do stuff like torture, abuse, disregard for sovereignty. I’m not on a high horse, Apple’s home country is in a pit. It’s a question of perspective.

              I remember someone commenting before about diverting my energy, nice try to stop someone saying that the empire has no clothes. That won’t work. I’ll tell you what will work though, your nation pulling out of Iraq, your nation closing down Guantanamo Bay. Icing on the cake would be to bring those responsible for acts against humanity to justice. That would really shut me up on the topic. Happily so.

              Your war and torture show that nation’s depravity, and their betrayal to humanity.

              I’ll continue, but by all means please continue to voice your opposition and attack my writing style and whatever you can to distract from that fact that it’s that nation that is hateful war mongering, unmovable, and totally resistant to other’s people’s voices, especially when they try to stifle saying what is so blatantly obvious.

              A little housekeeping item. It makes it easier to converse when one maintains a constant handle.

            3. You LIE. You are the number one hypoctrite on MDN. Pretending in one sentence to be so calm, understanding, open minded and caring.

              Then doing an immediate and complete 180 launching into tirades spewing hatred, stereotyping and denigrating the great United States of America.

              As Alabama once told off Neil Young in a hit song, “we don’t need your kind around here anyhow” …

            4. Alabama?

              With every utterance you prove yourself a kook with “alternate facts”.

              http://lynyrdskynyrd.wikia.com/wiki/Sweet_Home_Alabama

              Not only was the Jacksonville, FL band Lynrd Skynard writing the song as a joke, they used it in support of Jimmy Carter for president and against segregationist gov Wallace of GA. The whole song walks an ambiguous line, pretending to knock Neil Young while in live performances van Zandt made it clear that the band supported racial integration. They recorded at the famous Muscle Shoals, a mecca of expert musicians of all races, and toured with integrated forward thinking bands like the Allman Brothers. Yet Apparently they did a great job retaining their core southern fan bases, which sadly to this day includes overt and inadertent racism ingrained in many areas.

            5. Yes you are correct, sloppy me.

              Well, if the band historically as you post, wanted it BOTH WAYS, fine. I couldn’t care less about the back story.

              My usage was directed specifically on FACE VALUE to the anti-American bigot …

            6. I lie about what?

              Your nation is is the one doing tirades, that you can’t defend very well. Newsflash GoeB, great nations don’t torture others, great nations don’t invade others on totally imaginary premises, great countries take responsibility for their actions and admit mistakes.

              Your country was once a great nation, I hope it will be again, but right now, it’s a fifth rate terrorist nation, by your very own actions.

              You can deny it as long as you want, you can attack those who point out the obvious as long as you want, you can be in denial about being a war mongering terrorist nation as long as you want.

              Still don’t change the facts, and the facts are that today representatives from your nation are going to kill, murder innocent civilians in Iraq. You’ve been doing that pretty well every day for over a decade and the numbers are adding up.

            7. “I lie about what?”

              You have a reading comprehension problem? Here is the KEY excerpt, AGAIN:

              “You are the number one hypoctrite on MDN. Pretending in one sentence to be so calm, understanding, open minded and caring (added: to the human race). Then doing an immediate and complete 180 launching into tirades spewing hatred, stereotyping and denigrating the GREAT United States of America.”

              You LIE about WHO YOU ARE. A conflicting personality hypocrite. Got it?

              “Newsflash GoeB, great nations don’t torture others, great nations don’t invade others on totally imaginary premises, great countries take responsibility for their actions and admit mistakes.”

              Nice try, but NO Newsflash Road Warrior. You have been repeatedly lecturing the same pompous drivel over and over ad nauseam for years. You have been called on it dozens of times by countless people. How convenient of you to FORGET.

              Eliminate the evil enemy is the purpose of war. Sorry you can’t handle it, Snowflake. The PC war handling WEAKNESS new low under Obama proved it doesn’t work and gave rise to ISIS and GLOBAL terrorism.

              Come to think of it, unless I missed it, have never read where you speak out against the NUMBER ONE TERRORISTS in the world (ISIS).

              ISIS lining up Christians in orange jumpsuits on a beautiful beach and shooting them dead execution style just for different religious beliefs. RW: No comment. ISIS putting Christians in cages and burning them ALIVE on video. RW: No comment. ISIS using knives to cut off heads of live Christians on video. RW: No comment. Your OBSESSION with mild water torture over the BRUTAL taking of human lives dying horrible deaths is not even close to being in the same league. Obvious you don’t understand.

              “Your country was once a great nation, I hope it will be again, but right now, it’s a fifth rate terrorist nation.”

              Listen you broken record POS, our nation is the GREATEST HELPING and CARING NATION and NOTHING you post over and over and over — as well as your SELECTIVE OUTRAGE –will change the FACTS!

              We pay NATO more to carry your deadbeat nation and THE REST OF THE WORLD and you think you have the right to lecture us after you abandon your fiscal and military responsibility? How hypocritical of you, but then again, that is your middle name.

              “you can be in denial about being a war mongering terrorist nation as long as you want.”

              Only a Libtard without deductive fair and balanced reasoning can SLANDER an entire nation and its people, that have suffered the loss of thousands of military lives defending the freedoms of nations around the world, for over a hundred years.

              Only a CLUELESS and PETULANT Libtard is incapable of fair play and only concerned about a NARROW and HATEFUL personal agenda. That would be YOU.

              Stuff it, pal …🖕🖕

          1. I never said you can’t express your opinion…as I reco’d better places for you to do so.
            I never claimed the US is w/o fault…as I included “The heart of man is prone to all kinds of junk” and it’s individuals that form/drive a nation’s presence/actions.
            What difference doesn’t it make if I have a changing handle, or not? Responding to the words/meaning is the essence. There are enough people on this board that can’t see/read the msg, because they see the name and blindly respond on auto-down vote. I have remarked a number of times when this has happened with generic, Apple-positive comment from the board’s favorite whipping boy. No need to ID this person.

            1. I never said nor implied that you were preventing me from expressing myself and I have no qualms about your suggestions. I also never said nor implied that you claimed that Apple’s home nation is perfect, I recognize that lovely statement being prone to all kinds of junk, keeping an open mind is important.

              I did tell you that keeping a same handle makes the conversation, at least for me easier. That’s the difference. If you want to change handles that is once again fine with me, I’ll try to deal with it as best I can. Your reasons are your own, if you want to explain it to me, I’ll take your word for it as I do here. On top of that I don’t expect that situation to be returned. You laid in on me by the way I post, how I refer to Apple’s home nation in the third person. You used that to insinuate that I’m bringing hatred to the site, which I am not. Do you see me torturing, invading countries on a whim? No you don’t. Even when I explain the circumstances as to why I choose to express myself that way, you still lay in on me and run off on some presumptuous diatribe that I find irrelevant to my intent. So be it.

              I love humanity and peace, as opposed to torture and war. Now you can lay in on how I express it, you can make suggestions for me to go somewhere else, but what you and so many others have failed to do is justify your torture and pointless war. There is someone on this thread who does though, and I’ll point you to some posts that Herself made: “America’s spectacular fall from grace, its rebranding as a warmonger in the service of corporate interests even after after having won World Wars I and II. The good guys turned out to be the villains.”

              She gets it, no personal attacks, no pedantic analysis on how I expressed myself, no presumptions on my intent, she looked right at the issue and addressed what should be so obvious, Apple’s home nation is now a villain, a terrorist state. The facts are there, and Herself gets it. That’s one aware person who is not blinded by war mongering obsession. More to come I hope.

  4. Blocking a world leader from Twitter or removing their “informative” Tweets would hide important “truthful” information people should be able to see and debate that other fake news outlets block, ignore or lie about.

    Fixed that for ya Twitter.

    1. That didn’t fix anything. Twitter’s whole point is that they will not hide lying tweets from world leaders that contain assertions contrary to verifiable fact. Their lies should be right out in public where we can debate and refute them.

    1. Do you not understand how and why the electoral college system works?

      Your whining one year later confirms yet another case of ABS (adult baby syndrome). Get over it.

      1. I’m well aware, and I’m reminded of it whenever Orange Mussolini starts another Twitter tirade. But that doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to acknowledge other facts surrounding the election, including the one I cited which might suggest that the Electoral College is a flawed relic.

        1. A flawed relic that didn’t let two or three sanctuary cities with questionable rules at the polls dictate to the rest of the country that we needed an unrepentant criminal running the executive branch. Whenever the liberals lose the presidential election we hear the Electoral College is the problem. It’s not.

          1. The problem as I see it is that Trump, pathetically, keeps bringing up the popular vote issue himself. He likes to boast of his Twitter followers and his TV ratings, his magazine covers, and every other index of popularity— He wants to be liked. Most men do, but some of them are more subtle.

        2. The Electoral College is neither flawed nor a relic. It did exactly what it was indented to in a time that it was sorely needed. It proved once again tgat the founding fathers were wise beyond their time.

          The EC is the reason that this country is not called the United States of California

        3. w/o the so called relic and your ABS will experience some reasons for more tantrums. Peaceful exchange of leadership has been a part of the system since inception. Sorry, I can’t do anything about you not getting what you wanted. Nap time.

      1. Awww, you still waiting for the Trump commission report botty?

        Maybe a tech company like apple would get off their fat lazy behinds and create a secure auditable online voting system. But they are more interested in renting music and playing tax shell games.

        1. The only existing evidence that President Trump is “crazy” is that he was willing to give up an amazing, fantastic life in order for him and his family to be bombarded 24/7 by vile ássholes like you who aren’t fit to even lick his boots.

          He loves our country THAT much.

          1. No. He enjoys being the big dog. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it isn’t the same thing as loving his country. He may love his country, but he loves winning even more. Don’t try to deify him. As for being crazy, he’s crazy like a fox who won an election despite an army of pundits and a political system arrayed against him. Which is to say, he isn’t crazy at all, but somehow got politically blessed by God (who we all know has zero tolerance for liberal schmucks.). His shtick might not work as well in a 2020 reelection bid, because there are far more grumbling, downtrodden voters than satisfied ones, but we’ll see. The Satanic forces of progessivism retain their powers and can never be dismissed: the party of Democrats may well vanish, as you predict, but their ideas can’t be erased from the collective consciousness. Another group will take their place. History proved that autocracy is intolerable and unsustainable.

          2. “He loves our country THAT much.”

            You can say that again!

            It is simply stunning to see him on a daily basis and his stamina is absolutely remarkable.

            He declined a salary and puts up with the most negative media coverage in history every second of every day.

            I remember the first time I saw Trump on Fox & Friends morning show around 2002 and for many years he appeared on the same program.

            Thought to myself, this guy makes a ton of common sense and could be president someday.

            Damn, if I could have only gotten a bet down … 🃏

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