Apple condemns President Trump’s decision to rescind federal transgender bathroom guidelines

Apple Inc. issued a statement to Axios on Wednesday night, regarding the Trump Administration’s decison to rescind Obama-era federal guidance to schools on transgender rights.

Apple believes everyone deserves a chance to thrive in an environment free from stigma and discrimination. We support efforts toward greater acceptance, not less, and we strongly believe that transgender students should be treated as equals. We disagree with any effort to limit or rescind their rights and protections. — Apple Inc.

“Obama had instructed public schools last May to let transgender students use the bathrooms matching their chosen gender identity, threatening to withhold funding for schools that did not comply,” Daniel Trotta reports for Reuters. “Trump, a Republican who took office last month, rescinded those guidelines, even though they had been put on hold by a federal judge, arguing that states and public schools should have the authority to make their own decisions without federal interference.”

“‘We all know that Donald Trump is a bully, but his attack on transgender children today is a new low,’ said Rachel Tiven, chief executive of Lambda Legal, which advocates for LGBT people,” Trotta reports. “‘Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who spearheaded the lawsuit challenging the Obama guidance, hailed the Trump administration action. ‘Our fight over the bathroom directive has always been about former President Obama’s attempt to bypass Congress and rewrite the laws to fit his political agenda for radical social change,'” said Paxton, a Republican.”

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“Individual schools will remain free to let transgender students use the bathrooms with which they are most comfortable,” The New York Times reports. “And the effect of the administration’s decision will not be immediate because a federal court had already issued a nationwide injunction barring enforcement of the Obama order.”

NYT reports, “While Wednesday’s order significantly rolls back transgender protections, it does include language stating that schools must protect transgender students from bullying, a provision [Education Secretary Betsy] DeVos asked for, one person with direct knowledge of the process said.”

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    1. The biggest problem is Apple’s insistence on speaking to dumb people who know nothing about the Constitution – or they simply don’t care about it.

      When anything is not specifically called out in the Constitution, The federal government has no say in the matter. It’s called federalism. Or another way to look at it is limited federal government.

      The matter is then deferred to the states and each one of our 50 states get to decide what they want to do with any of these particular issues. That’s the beauty of our country 50 states not one massive government lording over all with a King.

      It’s called the 10th amendment people, look into it. Especially you Tim Cook, because you look pretty dumb at this point.

      Tim Cook needs to quote using his position at Apple as his social media outlet.

      1. The 14th amendment places some limits upon the states. It adds a level of citizen protection which states may add to but from which they may not take away.

        ” No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

        There is a tension here, and therein lies the issue. It’s possible that the Supreme Court will weigh in on this matter during the upcoming term. It will be interesting to see what SCOTUS says about this matter.

        1. Sparkles, i think you proved Duh’s point. The 14th Amendment does not contracdict what Duh is saying. The context is the state, and it is hard to make the case that allowing a cosmetically changed member of one sex be allowed to share a bathroom with the opposite sex is not a violation of decency laws, in contrast to a “restriction of their liberty, etc…”

      2. Doesn’t the First Amendment say he can look as dumb as he wants, though? If he wants to use Apple as his outlet, it’s completely within his right to do so even if you don’t like it.

    2. Apple is the world’s largest and leading model corporate entity/company that has earned this crown over many uearsby caring about its customers, rights and prioriteis and global ethics. Apple has always been the people’s champion and its standing today today as a beacon of leadership demands that it lead by example.

      The unequivocal fanfare and support of Apple by consumers, professionals and shareholders validate that and support its moral high road and causes. It’s the Company’s DNA stupid.

      1. Keep calling us stupid. Keep being sore losers. Keep “protesting,” taking your marching orders from crotchety old socialist George Soros. Keep it up, snowflakes!

        Soon, your kind won’t be able to get elected dog catcher.

        States’ rights.

          1. Asra Nomani, a Trump supporter, whose New York Times opinion piece was distorted into the big George Soros lie, has said:

            “I definitely do not conclude that most of the people marching were paid to do so,” Nomani said. “I believe that most of the people were motivated by sincere political and ideological beliefs. I do believe that most of the participants in the march had genuine concerns. It is not factual that they were paid to march.”

          2. Im not a partisan person or dogmatized in the slightest way…..
            But got to hand it to u….. dems have to wakeup and smell the coffree and take severel chill pills while at it. …. they lost this time… their turn will come up in four years ..kapish?
            In the meanwhile stop being these anal , asinine, cray baby sore losers…while hypocritically pushing your pretentious moral high ground through violance, vandalism, bullshit, lies and negative spins that only “divide” the country furtur… the biggest problem any sane individusl would worry about first !

            Again …Im not partisan or indoctrinated in the slightes way… but this ‘liberal dogmatized radical bullshit” is getting dangerous…. win at any cost.. even if the cost is destroying what was once a civil unified Country.

            The fact that this is a tech forum (where technology and its relevant business issues are to be discussed)…….yet politicaly infused articles get the most posts ….posts which reflect this Massive, emotionally charged division should worry everyone.

            Bring on the unity… … everyone gets their turn.

            1. Can u at least post some counter that is relevant…sigh

              One of the worst/ most dengerouse thing in life is a brainwashed dogmatized individual… very dangerous… ..remember 911…

            2. I remember 911. It is one of Porsche’s finest cars.

              All joking aside, What does the Sept 11, 2001 incident have to do with Elephants & Donkeys and sexuality?

      2. The misanthropy and supremacist bullshit is strong in this thread. What price live-and-let-live? tolerance?
        I never thought I would live to see the day when the US sleep_walked into an abomination of a social experiment.

          1. Ahaa!…just as we all knew, to disagree and air my rights to free speech is a “treasonous…post”. You are so transparently fascist, I bet you kiss your mirror every day.
            kakistocracy —a state of things, which to the honor of our nature, has seldom obtained amongst men, and which perhaps was only fully exemplified during the worst times of the French revolution, when that horrid hell burnt with its most horrid flame. In such a state of things, to be accused is to be condemned—to protect the innocent is to be guilty; and what perhaps is the worst effect, even men of better nature, to whom their own deeds are abhorrent, are goaded by terror to be forward and emulous in deeds of guilt and violence. Thomas Love Peacock 1829.

          2. botvinnik✓ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ- fuck you. It’s America. I have every right to say whatever the fuck I please. You should die, you worthless piece of shit.

      3. “Apple has always been the people’s champion ”

        Horse shit. Tim Cook is a far left social justice warrior, only carrying about the people on his side of the political divide. Women have a right to have their bathrooms without fear of men being in them.

        1. Steve Jobs was always for equal rights and equality. tough if people don’t like it. and we do have freedom a speech in this country when idiots try to take rights away . This is a big deal for a lot of parents

            1. Another trademark insult by Mr. Botvinnik.

              What is stopping a man who wants to harm women from entering a women’s washroom, regardless of the rules? This is no different than the arguments around gun control. People who will break the law don’t care about the rules.

            2. The overwhelming majority of violence against women is perpetrated by heterosexual men. This is not valid justification for further oppression of marginalized groups of alt-sex individuals.

      4. “The unequivocal fanfare and support of Apple by consumers, professionals and shareholders validate that and support its moral high road and causes. It’s the Company’s DNA stupid.”

        More horse shit. People buy Apple’s products for the products, not for Tim Cook’s SJW grandstanding, and virtue signaling.

        1. Well, if you buy Apple’s products and keep them in business, you’re kinda supporting Apple’s ability to continue making statements of this sort.

          Vote with your dollars, show Apple that speaking out like this has repercussions! Take away Apple’s money stream and you take away their soapbox.

      5. Apple is standing today as a beacon for rapists and child molesters and a tireless advocate of the mentally insane who can’t deal with their sexual equipment. Apple has now fully renounced consumer technology as its business. Apple is now a full time advocate for sexual deviants and pervs, under the amazing leadership of Chief Perv Tim Cook.

      6. Steve Jobs kept this shit away by a 100 foot pole…..
        He knew better…. his job was selling products to as many people he could…. not polorize customers and piss them off and lose potential customers over political views.
        Any good ceo of a public company knows this.

        Apple is not a church or a charity organization … its An F-ing Business !

        “The unequivocal fanfare and support of Apple by consumers, professionals and shareholders validate that and support its moral high road and causes. It’s the Company’s DNA stupid”

        Which planet are u from …?
        Im a shareholder… and im pissed at all these distractions…. i did not buy Apple shares to make a statment about any moral value… i bought shares to increase their monetary value…….. and that is what the duty of the corporation is… not who takes a crap where.

        For the rest of this moral high-ground stuff Go join a church or join a political orginization… (if you believe politics and morality are not oxymoronic )

        1. Apple TV is the best selling set top box. Apple is the most valuable company in the world.

          If Mr Cook spent 90% of his time working on humanity, perhaps you would die for being a fuck head.

    3. What’s so wrong about this is Tim Cook uses Apple as his platform to spit out his agenda. Of all worldly issues that need attention, he seems to be fond of speaking gender issue. Gender issue is important but there are other politically hot issues but he is largely silent about them. The moment “toilet issue” was raised, I knew Tim Cook would show up. I admire Apple’s stance in various social issues but don’t you think there have been too many gender criticisms coming out of Apple? Mr. Cook, talking about the gender issue is absolutely fine, but please do not make it look like it’s Apple’s interest. Instead, we believe it’s largely your personal issue. There are other important issues and pay equal attention to them too, to be balanced. Thank you.

          1. That’s right.

            Majority of Americans do NOT support the current president and didn’t vote for him. So, no, breeze is clearly not only NOT alone, he represents majority.

            And that apparently doesn’t have anything to do with losing house, senate, whatever else. As botvinnik will be the first to tell everyone, America is NOT a democracy; it is a republic. Whatever the proper dictionary definitions of these words, bottom line is that some Americans (rural, less educated) are politically worth more than others (urban, more educated).

            1. My understanding is that in an election, you look at the share of total votes cast, not share of the eligible voting population (or of total population).

              Plurality would be when no candidate got more than 50% of the votes, but the one that got more than any other would have received plurality.

              In the last US presidential election, Clinton won the majority of the vote by a comfortable margin of around 3 million votes (out of some 129 million votes cast, it was around 66m vs. 63m).

              As for those opposing Trump, that is a majority among those surveyed. Technically nothing to do with the election (but in effect, validating the election result where majority of the population voted against him).

            2. Okay, just for completeness, as far as math goes, it’s semantics anyway…

              Of all votes cast (Wikipedia):

              Clinton 48.0%
              Trump 45.9%

              Clinton carried a plurality, but did not win the election.
              Of all votes cast 54.1% did not vote for Trump. The majority rejected Trump.

              In the EC Trump carried the requisite number of votes to be elected. That’s due to most states “all or nothing” EC rules.

            3. That explains it. I didn’t realise that high a percentage went the third way. So, yes, plurality, but no majority for anyone. And yes, majority DID reject Trump.

              You seem to know exactly what you’re talking about. Thanks for clarifying everything.

      1. …meanwhile, back in the lonely woods of east Long Island, The Clot stumbles over wet leaves and shattered dreams dragging her best friend, that pint of Chivas. She stops and asked each and every squirrel, “Why aren’t I fifty points ahead, you might ask?”

        The squirrels chirp back in commiseration because they know a nut when they see one.

    4. Massivly so…. hey Tim get off this political crap.. whipe your butt and focus on Apple products… ‘as MDN says. ” who is in market for new mac desktops'”. ….. and i add pro level devices.! ……
      Thats what u should think About Tim…. not who takes a crap where .

  1. All that Trump has done is return control of this issue to the states, getting the Federal government out of an issue it’s got no business being in in the first place.

    So if you want to have biological boys in the girls’ locker room, go make the case to your state legislature. The ball is in their court, as it should be.

    1. absolutely. their are duties given to municipal governments, country seats as well as state government with their own executive, judicial and legislative branches. the federal government was neither defined nor designed for this social constructionist minutia. get out of my fkn underwear drawer you washinton DC monopoly board fascists.

  2. “…His attack on transgender children today is a new low,” said Rachel Tiven, chief executive of Lambda Legal.

    Tiven is a typical deceitful and hyperbolic Dem/Lib/Prog liar.

  3. Policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention. This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken—it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.

    The transgendered suffer a disorder of “assumption” like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one’s maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight.

    With body dysmorphic disorder, an often socially crippling condition, the individual is consumed by the assumption “I’m ugly.” These disorders occur in subjects who have come to believe that some of their psycho-social conflicts or problems will be resolved if they can change the way that they appear to others. Such ideas work like ruling passions in their subjects’ minds and tend to be accompanied by a solipsistic argument.

    For the transgendered, this argument holds that one’s feeling of “gender” is a conscious, subjective sense that, being in one’s mind, cannot be questioned by others. The individual often seeks not just society’s tolerance of this “personal truth” but affirmation of it. Here rests the support for “transgender equality,” the demands for government payment for medical and surgical treatments, and for access to all sex-based public roles and privileges.

    With this argument, advocates for the transgendered have persuaded several states—including California, New Jersey and Massachusetts—to pass laws barring psychiatrists, even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor. That government can intrude into parents’ rights to seek help in guiding their children indicates how powerful these advocates have become.

    How to respond? Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry’s domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field. Many will recall how, in the 1990s, an accusation of parental sex abuse of children was deemed unquestionable by the solipsists of the “recovered memory” craze.

    You won’t hear it from those championing transgender equality, but controlled and follow-up studies reveal fundamental problems with this movement. When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned.

    We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into “sex-reassignment surgery”—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as “satisfied” by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a “satisfied” but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.

    It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

    There are subgroups of the transgendered, and for none does “reassignment” seem apt. One group includes male prisoners like Pvt. Bradley Manning, the convicted national-security leaker who now wishes to be called Chelsea. Facing long sentences and the rigors of a men’s prison, they have an obvious motive for wanting to change their sex and hence their prison. Given that they committed their crimes as males, they should be punished as such; after serving their time, they will be free to reconsider their gender.

    Another subgroup consists of young men and women susceptible to suggestion from “everything is normal” sex education, amplified by Internet chat groups. These are the transgender subjects most like anorexia nervosa patients: They become persuaded that seeking a drastic physical change will banish their psycho-social problems. “Diversity” counselors in their schools, rather like cult leaders, may encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery. Treatments here must begin with removing the young person from the suggestive environment and offering a counter-message in family therapy.

    Then there is the subgroup of very young, often prepubescent children who notice distinct sex roles in the culture and, exploring how they fit in, begin imitating the opposite sex. Misguided doctors at medical centers including Boston’s Children’s Hospital have begun trying to treat this behavior by administering puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous—even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility. Given that close to 80% of such children would abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated, these medical interventions come close to child abuse. A better way to help these children: with devoted parenting.

    At the heart of the problem is confusion over the nature of the transgendered. “Sex change” is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.

    —— Dr. Paul McHugh, former Psychiatrist in Chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital

    1. I guess this expert of yours who claims that ” “Sex change” is biologically impossible.” is not aware of sequential hermaphroditism.

      Taken from wiki but there are lots more references and examples out there for people who are interested.

      Clownfish, wrasses, moray eels, gobies and other fish species are known to change sex, including reproductive functions. A school of clownfish is always built into a hierarchy with a female fish at the top. When she dies, the most dominant male changes sex and takes her place. In the wrasses, sex change is from female to male, with the largest female of the harem changing into a male and taking over the harem upon the disappearance of the previous dominant male.

      Sex change is a natural biological function that has been around long before humans walked on the planet.

  4. When it comes to civil liberties, we are all the same US citizens.

    What’s this states’ rights bullcrap when it comes to civil liberties. Have the death penlaty or do not (my preference) but be equitable, it’s same US citizen. Or are we not…?

    Now, when it comes to the bathroom, there should be much less drama. The least expensive solution is what was proposed by Obama. Seems like conservative US-Sharia is indeed powerful.

    States rights is about picking up the garbage and local public services.

    1. “What’s this states’ rights bullcrap when it comes to civil liberties.”

      The civil rights that matter here is the civil rights of women to be left alone with their bathrooms and not have them occupied by men.

      1. I just call it alternative sexuality or alt-sex for short. That is my term for anything outside of the traditionally and culturally supported heterosexual attitude and behaviour.

        Here’s a thought: If they are not forcing their beliefs on you, then why force yours on them? Can’t we all just get along?

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