Dell plunged 15% to $18.72 in pre-market Inet trading after saying it expected fiscal second-quarter earnings of 21 to 23 cents a share, below the average analyst estimate compiled by Thomson First Call of 32 cents a share, due primarily to aggressive pricing in a slowing commercial market.
The Round Rock, Texas-based Dell now sees earnings of 21 to 23 cents a share for the July period on revenue of about $14 billion.
Current market values:
• Apple – $51,064,500,320
• Dell – $44,447,732,640
MacDailyNews Take: If Dell ceased to exist today – say Michael Dell sold the company and gave the money back to the shareholders – nobody outside the company would care. Another Windows box assembler would simply slide into place and the mediocrity would continue unabated.
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Really. It hurts.
At least my friend Enderle, hasn’t left me. HE respects me. You guys are all just STUPID.
That’s right, Gil! BF4EVER!
Zune: And don’t forget me! I wuv you Gil.
Oh, I could never forget YOU little Zuney!!!
Let’s go play outside together.
NFS with it’s stateless protocol has been able to do this kind of thing forever. Windows has too. More likely your App is not responding appropriately to suspend/resume messages to know what to do. Sounds like an App problem not an OS problem.
NFS is not an issue. Not everything is an NFS networked volume. Ever heard of GRID computing?
App? You mean “application” ?
ROFLMAO, he said application. Who told you the problem happens with *an* application. You truly think in a limited way.
Let’s say more tasks sent on distributed computing, some on NorduGRID, some on EGEE, others on GRID networks in the US, distributed compilation and concurrent multi-applications environment.
Oh my, “an application”.
Thanks Stevie, it truly shows this thread is a waste of time. Go back to play with your FPS game. We’ll stay on OS X. It is a change of life wrt Windows and Linux.
“Do you need to do tasks that cannot be done elsewhere? No”
FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY. That’s my point.
Nope, your point is that people could to those tasks elsewhere without regretting the change. Which IS the point other people tried to make.
Who cares if you could do the same tasks in other OS as in OS X when in those other OSes it is a pain to achieve the same results while on OS X it is a breeze?
The problem with your point is that IT IS IRRELEVANT you could achieve the same tasks elsewhere. The issue is how flawlessly, easily, painlessly and efficiently you get those tasks.
You do not NEED an hammer to stick a nail into a wall. You could use your head.
You do not NEED an chainsaw to cut a tree, you could use a knife.
You do not NEED Mac OS X, you could use Windows.
This is your point and frankly it is simplistic and risible as the first two, which are both true by the way.
Maybe on Planet Mac these features don’t exist in Windows or Linux. In the real world, they do.
Nope, they don’t and you must know it. Hence, either you are a liar or plain ignorant. What? Only used a desktop connected to the network that never needed reconfiguration?
Nor Windows nor Linux are able to stand an abrupt disconnection off the network and reconnection on different LAN/WAN configuration without suffering big time disruptions.
In particular, when you change network configuration on Windows needs a reboot every time.
Your reply, at least for me, ends the discussion. You do not know what you are talking about.
Adios
iPodder, given that your post was barely literate and not in proper English, it’s hard to understand exactly what you were getting at (or in fact are getting at).
Can you try to explain a little better?
“In particular, when you change network configuration on Windows needs a reboot every time.”
What version are you using? Windows 3.1? You’ve just got to be kidding, Right?
“Who cares if you could do the same tasks in other OS as in OS X when in those other OSes it is a pain to achieve the same results while on OS X it is a breeze?
“
The point is that that’s not actually a real statement of the way it is. It may be your perception, but your perception does not match reality. The difference is insignificant.
“You do not NEED an hammer to stick a nail into a wall. You could use your head.
You do not NEED an chainsaw to cut a tree, you could use a knife.
“
So if the Hammer is Photoshop for Mac, is your head Photoshop for Windows?
If the Chainsaw is Office for Mac, is the Knife Office for Windows?
Your analogies just don’t add up.
“In particular, when you change network configuration on Windows needs a reboot every time.”
I mean that’s so funny, could you be more ignorant?
“In particular, when you change network configuration on Windows needs a reboot every time.”
Sorry, still can’t get over it. It’s still really funny that you think that.
“In particular, when you change network configuration on Windows needs a reboot every time.”
laughing at you still…
Stevie, again, you do not know what you are talking about.
Ask anyone if they are using Windows for GRID applications. Then just hear the laughs.
So long silly buddy. Keep laughing. By the way, how many Windows supercomputers do run Windows on the Top500?
Ahh. you guessed. They can’t stand an OS that needs to reboot so often it is laughable.
“In particular, when you change network configuration on Windows needs a reboot every time.”
Oh geez it’s still just too funny. Still laughing. Make it Stop, please please stop posting.
Windows runs on 2 supercomputers in the top 500.
Mac OS X runs on 5 supercomputers in the top 500.
Dell Has 22 in the top 500
There are 367 Linux supercomputers in the top 500.
I think the Win goes to x86 hardware running Linux (which I noted you can pick if it’s right for your application), what do you think?
Still laughing…
“In particular, when you change network configuration on Windows needs a reboot every time.”
It’s STILL Funny, oh iPodder you expert you. Get back in your cage, try not to fling dung at the tourists.
The funny thing is that – as with all trolls – you never even tried what you spout about.
And with all trolls it is a waste of time to discuss with you. Why don’t you try it for yourself simpleton. The issue is NOT just changing network configuration while doing nothing, but while the machine is fully working, lobster.
And not with single silly applications: Office! Plleeeeeeaaassse. Are you that stupid or you just troll it?
Windows cannot recover the work, period. And it is not me saying it, it is the Windows users who switched, and it is a multi-million dollars enterprise, not Photoshop or, ROFLMAO, Office tasks. What a moronic reply: talking about GRID and he comes with what? OFFICE.
ROFLMAO. Must sux BIG time to be so friggin stupid.
Again, you live in your little world of what? Clerks? Janitors?
Oh my… Office. Why not Quake, silly?
Sheeeees, single applications: is this your little $1500 job in a cubicle?
Concerning Top500: again, are you stupid or what? It is not your regular Windows that run on those. It is Microsoft Windows Compute Cluster Server. Ever tried to install that on your laptop? What an idiot.
Whatever. Keep laughing, you are just revealing how silly you are.
Wake up bimbo, the world does more than Photoshop and Office. Can’t even laugh at you: too pitiful.
Just to add something, if NFS is supposed to be part of this new architecture for Mac switchers to Windows, someone is going to have to acquire NFS client/server software. As far as I’m aware there is no ‘good’ freeware to achieve this and the commercial alternatives cost around $150.
Presumably this is just another ‘tax’ that the Macintosh users would have to pay on top of the tax to protect us from viruses, spam, adware, etc.
Wow, this Windows computing thing sure is expensive.
Yes you get DVGate, Ulead and Premiere bundled and of course the Infamous Windows Movie Maker. Take your pick. If they’re not good enough for your needs, perhaps you do need to be spending money on semi-pro software.
Are you lying or did you not simply not read the specs…
You don’t get Premiere bundled in, you get Premiere Element which – unlike iMove HD – doesn’t support HDV.
HDV isn’t a semi-pro thing, it’s now a consumer option. Or is something only good for consumer when you say it is.
Don’t tell me: you may want high-definition, but you don’t really need it (well, until Microsoft or one of their ISVs say so at which point you’ll agree).
As for expecting Apple to implement Blu-Ray first, I’m betting that you may well see options for Blu-Ray in the new Mac towers as well as the 2G MacBook Pro units when they move to Merom. Not that anybody needs a Merom-powered laptop, but they may just want one.
I wondered why this thread on Dell was so popular. How could anything about Dell be popular. LOL, Now I see why:
“Do you need to do tasks that cannot be done elsewhere? No”
FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY. That’s my point.
And you are wrong. Of course there are. Why do you think people have been doing dual-booting Linux/Windows forever? For fun?
There are tasks that are difficult or not easily accomplished on Linux (although OpenOffice is coming more and more as a solution) so that people needed to re-boot on Windows for some task, then back to Linux for their work, then back to Windows, etc. A pain in the arse.
Could they only work on Linux. Not really. Could they only work on Windows, not at all.
You are looking at the question purely from the consumer point of view.
Windows is no Unix. There are tasks, jobs, libraries, applications that are Unix only (and variants, Linux include which is not exactly Unix but from practical point of view it is very close).
Linux/Unix lacks Windows publishing applications hence difficult to work 100% on a Unix/Linux environment.
Then comes Mac OS X. Dual booters notice that they can do the primarily Windows tasks on the consumer side of OS X and, oh my, IT IS UNIX, so they can do the primary Unix/Linux only tasks on OS X as well, on its BSD Unix side.
Hence the switch. They can do all their tasks on one single OS without pampering and maintaining two OSes, storing results in a portable format so that the other OS could access them and reboot and do this many times a day sometimes.
Do they need to do that on Mac OS X? Nope. They stay on one OS, perform all the tasks there, do not need to store results elsewhere because they can even drag&drop; their stuff all over the place.
Could they do all that just on Windows? Nope.
Could they do all that just on Linux/Unix? Nope.
They do it all that on Mac OS X. They would not be able to reproduce the flexibility of a Unix OS that runs most popular consumer and desktop publishing applications concurrently and sharing the same file system in other OSes.
Today only Mac OS X allows to do that: it has accomplished what Linux has tried to be for years but never got there.
As an ex-dualbooter I could not care less if Dell was to sink and disappear. I could suffer my dual-booting on an HP, Lenovo, Acer, you name it.
Would I notice Apple disappear? You bet, I would need to go back to dual-booting time waste that have nothing to do with the job at hand.
Funny that iPodder mentions GRID and then says “No” to the question “Do you need to do tasks that cannot be done elsewhere?” when thinking about moving from OS X to Windows. You might say ‘No’ just on consumer products alone.
Of course YES. Why do you thing people in academic, research and educational world dual boot? Why do you think Apple is entering these fields like crazy and MacBooks do sell there like hot cakes?
On the consumer side the adoption of Mac OS X from Windows users is more difficult because people simply do not believe that the same tasks can be so much easier and less intrusive on the consumer side of OS X. So as Stevie said – here, have another cookie – I can do those things of Windows, why do I NEED OS X?
Apple BootCamp is there to put OS X right under the nose of these category of people. Compare for yourself then decide.
For all other category of people the issue is just evident: there are tasks that I cannot do on Windows and I do need Linux (again, Windows is no Unix), there are tasks that I cannot accomplish on Linux and I need Windows (but OpenOffice is coming to rescue).
Or I could just use Mac OS X and forget all the hassle.
Peace.
PS
Amazing, MDN word “children”. Now, that’s scary.
To all: The original premise was “Dell” vs “Not Dell” and “Apple vs Not Apple”, You’re the ones trying to limit it to Windows, Microsoft etc.
“Concerning Top500: again, are you stupid or what? It is not your regular Windows that run on those. It is Microsoft Windows Compute Cluster Server. Ever tried to install that on your laptop? What an idiot.”
Did I ever even claim Windows was a good supercomuter OS?
No, but every tried to run a 6000 node cluster built out of Mac Book Pros or iMacs?
How do you explain the really low usage of Mac OS X for an OS which in your view is so “Suitable” and the really high use of Linux, and OS which you say is completely “unsuitable”?
Either all those supercomputer builders are wrong, or you are. I don’t think it takes too much brainpower to work out which.
Now Apple is Intel based, it’s days of being a vendor of components used in supercomputers are over, it just can’t compete.
Gee, firstly the original premise was “Dell” vs “Not Dell” and “Apple vs Not Apple”, You’re the one trying to limit it to Windows.
“no ‘good’ freeware to achieve this “
HA HA HA HA That was the example for Linux. I didn’t think THAT needed to be explained, but then you’re British, so lets start again. No Free NFS in Linux? HA HA HA.
SMB will also reconnect volumes.
“HDV isn’t a semi-pro thing, it’s now a consumer option. Or is something only good for consumer when you say it is”
So use ulead, fact is HDV burning to Blu-Ray on the Sony is reality today, and a future possibility for Mac notebooks. Just exactly what Apple HDV hardware/software combo are you using on your Mac to generate either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs? Or is it exactly what you say, A theoretical “coming real soon now” “Option” not a “reality” for you.
“may well see options for Blu-Ray “
Following not leading.
As an Apple customer because Apple is on the committee I just assume Apple invented Blu-Ray. Why would they let Sony get in first with their invention. Unless Apple did’t invent it no, gaaah, can’t be true. Goes against the basic premise that Apple Invents Everything. My little Apple World is crumbling, must ignore contradictory facts, must ignore contradictory facts la la la la.
“dual-booting Linux/Windows forever?”
If just one doesn’t suit your needs, you can run Windows under Linux, or Linux under Windows – and have been able to do so – Forever. Pick the one you care to run natively as the “host” and run the other in a virtual machine..
Oh I forgot, you probably think virtual machine operating systems were invented by the Parallels guys. That honor goes to IBM and other researchers four decades ago.
“Linux/Unix lacks Windows publishing applications hence difficult to work 100% on a Unix/Linux environment.
“
Hence the qualification, “if it suits your needs” Clearly it suits the needs of people building supercomputers.
“simply do not believe that the same tasks can be so much easier and less intrusive on the consumer side of OS X. “
That’s because it’s simply not true. People have a habit of not believing things which are not true.
To all: The original premise was “Dell” vs “Not Dell” and “Apple vs Not Apple”, You’re the ones trying to limit it to Windows, Microsoft etc.
Then the thread should be closed. “Dell” vs “Not Dell” is a who-cares really? There is nothing I can run on Dell that I cannot on any other PC. So if Dell goes, who cares really? Get another PC
For Apple, if Apple goes, you cannot get another PC and run OS X or Apple-only applications.
“Concerning Top500: again, are you stupid or what? It is not your regular Windows that run on those. It is Microsoft Windows Compute Cluster Server. Ever tried to install that on your laptop? What an idiot.”
Did I ever even claim Windows was a good supercomuter OS?
I think you missed the point of the original poster. The issue is Linux as installed on those supercomputers can be installed on a laptop. Mac OS X installed on those supercomputers is the same that runs on all other products.
No, but every tried to run a 6000 node cluster built out of Mac Book Pros or iMacs?
Not on laptops but on regular towers that any consumer could buy. And since today MacBook Pros run faster than old G5 towers then the original System X of Virginia Tech if built on MacBook Pros would be faster than its predecessor.
Again, the issue implied here is that the OS is the same, not a special version that run adapted only on supercomputers.
How do you explain the really low usage of Mac OS X for an OS which in your view is so “Suitable” and the really high use of Linux, and OS which you say is completely “unsuitable”?
Could not find any poster saying Linux is unsuitable. OS X is a BSD variant so it is as suitable as all others. Linux is free, quite nice when you have to have a couple thousands installations. A saving already of what, some 100,000$ ? Not bad for a University on tight budget.
OS X is very young on the market. The fact that already 5 supercomputer installations are using it in by itself a statement. And yes, you can drive the supercomputer from a laptop, and run/check the very same applications there before sending the task to the cluster. Go read Virginia Tech reports on their system.
Either all those supercomputer builders are wrong, or you are. I don’t think it takes too much brainpower to work out which.
I guess it is clear you are wrong. No one said here Linux is unsuitable, unless proved wrong everyone said Windows is unsuitable.
Now Apple is Intel based, it’s days of being a vendor of components used in supercomputers are over, it just can’t compete.
ON the contrary. Apple is the only Intel based system supporting fully EFI. As soon as they deliver intel (Xeon Woodcrest) based Xserve others will not be able to complete. Their days as vendor of components used in supercomputers are yet to start big time. Intel based Xserves are the hot buzzword in academic world nowadays.
Gee, firstly the original premise was “Dell” vs “Not Dell” and “Apple vs Not Apple”, You’re the one trying to limit it to Windows.
Maybe because it is evident that Dell vs Not Dell is not an issue? Who cares, many other brands do provide the very same.
SMB will also reconnect volumes.
AFS (Andrew File System) would not on Windows.
“dual-booting Linux/Windows forever?”
If just one doesn’t suit your needs, you can run Windows under Linux, or Linux under Windows – and have been able to do so – Forever. Pick the one you care to run natively as the “host” and run the other in a virtual machine..
Limited on little world? That’s is just silly: If you need full hardware access virtual machine is a no-go. You need rebooting. Never read anything above first grade level?
Oh I forgot, you probably think virtual machine operating systems were invented by the Parallels guys. That honor goes to IBM and other researchers four decades ago.
The above just shows you know only buzz word. You cannot do every task on a virtual machine. Period. Hence dual-booting.
“Linux/Unix lacks Windows publishing applications hence difficult to work 100% on a Unix/Linux environment.
“
Hence the qualification, “if it suits your needs” Clearly it suits the needs of people building supercomputers.
I do not think Linux was ever a problem. You are just making this up.
“simply do not believe that the same tasks can be so much easier and less intrusive on the consumer side of OS X. “
That’s because it’s simply not true. People have a habit of not believing things which are not true.
Nope, that’s because people have the habit of believing the majority is always right. “Everybody is doing Windows, they can’t all be wrong, right?”. WRONG.
Flies really do like shit, and most of people in the US eat at fastfood. I see, hence shit is good and junk Big Mac: can’t eat better than that.
Enjoy.
Hence the qualification, “if it suits your needs” Clearly it suits the needs of people building supercomputers.
I do not think Linux was ever a problem. You are just making this up.
Hahahahah, Stevie must think then the researchers run Windows on the supercomputer on virtual machine to have the fastest Word or Excell in the world.
Here Stevie, get another cookie. BTW, what moronic comment… “clearly it suits…” blah blah blah. Is that all you are capable to say?
Yawn, what a troll.
“There is nothing I can run on Dell that I cannot on any other PC. “
Thanks for restating where we got to about 150 posts back. The real controversy is whether Apple went away could you use non Apple products to do the same things and get on with life.
“Mac OS X installed on those supercomputers is the same that runs on all other products.”
Five of the top 500, all dropping in the rankings, few more likely to ever be built. I wouldn’t call that a big win for Mac OS X in that area.
“Intel based Xserves are the hot buzzword in academic world nowadays”
Comes back to price. Every vendor will have a Woodcrest server which perfoms just about the same. Supercomputer builders won’t be running Mac OS X or Windows on it. People will choose the cheaper hardware. Even if Apple may be closer than the’ve ever been that still won’t be Apple.
“Could not find any poster saying Linux is unsuitable. “
Read iPodder’s posts again, he specifically dismisses Linux for that application.
“If you need full hardware access virtual machine is a no-go”, “The above just shows you know only buzz word”
Hence the comment, choose whichever one you’d prefer to run natively and host the other, if you even need both in the first place. If I wasn’t aware of the limitiations why would I suggest you might chose to run either as the main OS and the other as the hosted OS depending on your needs. (Or taking it all the way, set up a dual boot system each running the other in a virtual machine). For some stuff you need full access to “real” hardware, for other stuff you don’t and for that the virtual machine is just fine.
” I see, hence shit is good and junk Big Mac: can’t eat better than that.”
That’s a leap of logic unsupported by the basic facts. I doubt anyone goes to McDonald’s and says to themselves this will be like a really nice meal at a good restaurant. The analogy is McDonalds vs Burger King vs Wendy’s. You may prefer one vendor’s product, and be prepared to argue passionately why a double black Angus burger makes a big double classic with cheese look just like yesterday’s burger (look at the exquisite detail in the printing on the wrapper, it’s just GOT to be a better burger, why can’t you SEE that…), but the reality is that they’re more the same than different.