Dell plunged 15% to $18.72 in pre-market Inet trading after saying it expected fiscal second-quarter earnings of 21 to 23 cents a share, below the average analyst estimate compiled by Thomson First Call of 32 cents a share, due primarily to aggressive pricing in a slowing commercial market.
The Round Rock, Texas-based Dell now sees earnings of 21 to 23 cents a share for the July period on revenue of about $14 billion.
Current market values:
• Apple – $51,064,500,320
• Dell – $44,447,732,640
MacDailyNews Take: If Dell ceased to exist today – say Michael Dell sold the company and gave the money back to the shareholders – nobody outside the company would care. Another Windows box assembler would simply slide into place and the mediocrity would continue unabated.
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People have a habit of not believing things which are not true.
Oh my. Not at all. We would be out of business by now if that was true.
People can be made to believe everything anytime. Even that Windows is the most secure OS in the world and the reference in trusted computing.
Sheeessh, the crap we make people believe. We always laugh all the way to the bank each time.
Heard of our last one? Windows Genuine Advantage. Oh my, that was great. They still believe it. We are the Spin Masters.
ROFLMAO – What’s that short for “Rolling on Feces Licking My Anal Orifice”
Since that’s about the intellectual level of your reply…
Get back in the cage with IPodder.
“BTW, what moronic comment… “clearly it suits…” “
Yep, 367 out of the top 500, I must be really MORONIC to think that Linux is being chosen in this market.
5 out of 500 Mac OS X, Yep, but you know, we just introduced the Intel Macs, market share will grow once all those supercomputer guys just realize what a Genius Steve Jobs is and start using Apple products. I tell you this puny Linux won’t stand a chance, Also IBM, I dismiss them. they are but makers of toy supercomputers compared to the Mighty Apple….
“Even that Windows is the most secure OS in the world and the reference in trusted computing.
Yeah, like people believe that. Perhaps you believe they do, but I don’t think that they do..
Fact is, for most people, set up with good antivirus, it’s secure enough.
Would you believe it: MDN word British!
There is nothing I can run on Dell that I cannot on any other PC. “
Thanks for restating where we got to about 150 posts back. The real controversy is whether Apple went away could you use non Apple products to do the same things and get on with life.
Then again the controversy is pointless. On the consumer side there are no areas where are covered only by applications run on a specific OS.
What kind of controversy is there? It all boils down to whether some tasks are easier and more efficiently to do with one application than another or few other combined. If you take that part away than anything resemble anything and there is absolutely nothing that allows you to choose a product versus another. If your only criteria to select a sw product is whether it says it does “video editing” then you are a poor buyer.
Of course one has to get ease of use, features and how efficiently, easy, effortlessly you get to one result.
To limit on “does or not the same thing”… then everything is as good as everything else if they do the same end result.
Do all DVD authoring product in the end allow you to get your movie on a DVD. Of course. Are there some where it is a pleasure to work with and others they make you’ll never touch again? Of course.
What is your point? That the market for consumers do not have uncharted areas? You just discovered hot water.
“Mac OS X installed on those supercomputers is the same that runs on all other products.”
Five of the top 500, all dropping in the rankings, few more likely to ever be built. I wouldn’t call that a big win for Mac OS X in that area.
ALL systems are dropping in the rankings every year. This is pretty common with every system with every release of Top500. Your point is?
Virginia Tech got in the Top500 at first place as cluster based at the time. Two years later 4 more systems are using OS X. Again, OS X is a BSD Unix variant, not a funny niche beast to be adapted to run supercomputers.
Hors Simon, one of the publishers of Top500 and Director of IT department of Lawrence Berkeley Lab called the entry of Apple in that arena pretty significative. I’ll call him to tell that you disagree with him.
cont.
“Intel based Xserves are the hot buzzword in academic world nowadays”
Comes back to price.
Concerning storage, Xserves are the cheapest of all in the market. If massive storage is needed Xserves are being chosen. That is one reason of those 5: they came cheaper.
Every vendor will have a Woodcrest server which perfoms just about the same. Supercomputer builders won’t be running Mac OS X or Windows on it.
Cannot agree more for Windows. Would be stupid. For Mac OS X it is just another BSD Unix system. Pretty capable to run on supercomputers. Leopard (next OS X) is supposed to become fully 64-bit supporting and, again, will be the only one supporting EFI. Cannot predict the future about choosing to run OS X more on supercomputers but certainly it is not to be excluded that easily.
Concerning “just about the same” is not a good criteria for choosing one system/OS combo versus another. You choose the best. OS X will certainly be for certain uses the best choice. Hardly can be said of a Windows (any edition) that a consumer can buy today. And I would not hold my breath for Vista, errr, Windows XP SP3.
People will choose the cheaper hardware. Even if Apple may be closer than the’ve ever been that still won’t be Apple.
Again, consumer mentality. People will choose the hardware that will give them the best specmarks and TeraFlops with their budget, not the cheapest one.
“Could not find any poster saying Linux is unsuitable. “
Read iPodder’s posts again, he specifically dismisses Linux for that application.
You need to point me to the specific statement where he dismisses Linux for use in supercomputers. Cannot find it.
“If you need full hardware access virtual machine is a no-go”, “The above just shows you know only buzz word”
Hence the comment, choose whichever one you’d prefer to run natively and host the other, if you even need both in the first place. If I wasn’t aware of the limitiations why would I suggest you might chose to run either as the main OS and the other as the hosted OS depending on your needs. (Or taking it all the way, set up a dual boot system each running the other in a virtual machine). For some stuff you need full access to “real” hardware, for other stuff you don’t and for that the virtual machine is just fine.
So you assume to be in a world where requirements never change? Choose the one you need full access as main and the other as host. Bingo, solved.
Never thought that both could need hardware access? Pretty common. Again, since virtual machine is there since ever, why do you think people have been dual booting since ever? All stupid? C’mon, think of something else. Even you should be able to come with a better retort.
Again, virtuality is not the panacea or the silver bullet for all possible needs.
” I see, hence shit is good and junk Big Mac: can’t eat better than that.”
That’s a leap of logic unsupported by the basic facts. I doubt anyone goes to McDonald’s and says to themselves this will be like a really nice meal at a good restaurant.
Not in those terms but there are people who go to McDonald’s and say they will never spend 300$ on a meal at a good restaurant because meat is meat is meat. Where do you live? On Mars? Never heard of people saying haute cuisine is overpriced? Champagne is overpriced, caviar is overpriced, etc and food for silly rich people who do not know how to burn money faster? Hellooo? Are you theeeheree?
It happens the same and all the time. The analogy is not on fast foods (ie junk food) but food providers. Windows users say: food is food is food.
Champagne and pee are the same: both yellowish, with bubbles and a funny taste. One is much cheaper.
I’ll stick to champagne, thank you.
You may prefer one vendor’s product, and be prepared to argue passionately why a double black Angus burger makes a big double classic with cheese look just like yesterday’s burger (look at the exquisite detail in the printing on the wrapper, it’s just GOT to be a better burger, why can’t you SEE that…), but the reality is that they’re more the same than different.
Nope, the analogy is on meat. Either from a Big Mac (wow, a fuuuuul pound of meat) and a Cordon Bleu. Hey, it’s meat, they both weight the same, and it is meat. Meat is meat, right?
It is your point: Apple applications that do things that other applications elsewhere do (as final product). Meat is meat is meat?
As Windows users, I couldn’t doubt that for you it is all fastfood quality.
Or pee and champagne. Again, if your criteria for selection is: bubbles, yellowish and funny taste, then you are right: pee and champagne are just the same.
Anyway, I could not care less of all the arguments above. To me the most important thing is that I can run concurrently, on the same OS, with the same file system my Unix applications and desktop publishing applications and drag&drop; histograms from my X11 graphic output directly on my slides or my paper.
Cannot do that, and so easily, with ANY other SINGLE OS. Even on virtual machines you have to maintain multiple OSes, and for what when you can avoid that so easily with OS X?
The only reason would be the need to run a specific application that does NOT exist nor provide similar/same results but in that specific additional OS. But this is an hypothesis that you the first believe untrue.
Strangely enough, such case though does exist: Windows.
I cannot run Linux applications on it. I can on OS X. So indeed there is something I can only do on Linux and OS X but not on Windows.
There are things I can do only on Windows and OS X but not on Linux. So today while OS X could be an exhaustive solution, the same cannot be said for other major OSes. They need to be shouldered (no matter for how little %) by other applications on other OSes.
And the above it is one of the major reasons Apple is growing by more than 30% in academics and research to the point to make even Apple bewildered.
And if there is still one that insists to say that does not really matter in that I could have one, two, more computers and OSes that will do what I can on a single OS X platform than there is really nothing one could add at this point.
Looking at the recent Q2 results it is an opinion that very few share.
“Even that Windows is the most secure OS in the world and the reference in trusted computing.
Yeah, like people believe that. Perhaps you believe they do, but I don’t think that they do..
Fact is, for most people, set up with good antivirus, it’s secure enough.
Indeed, and that Windows is as secure as all others. Gates, my master, even said at shareholders that Windows is bound to be the most secure because it is the more under attack. At each attack that gets patched Windows becomes more secure. Other OSes that are not attacked do not have the chance to have their fault exposed, hence potentially more at risk than Windows. AND THEY APPLAUDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Windows users keep saying that if OS X or Linux were as popular as Windows then their users would be in ever worst situation. So indeed they do believe Windows is at least as secure if not more than others. Ever heard of the silly “security by obscurity”. It is just the same concept rephrased.
Fact is, most people, set up with good antivirus, have PCs riddled with malware and spyware and do not even updated their antivirus. BTW, one is not enough.
1) All this talk of burgers has made me very hungry.
2) SJIOSC – you keep missing out on the whole picture: iMovie HD and iDVD are capable of delivering a complete ‘creative’ HDV to HD disc solution. Sony’s solution either offers you a tragically anaemic way of transferring HDV content to a BluRay disk without any real creative control on a par with iMovie/iDVD, or you have the option of creative control (over the editing part anyway) using Premiere Elements in SD DV at which point you’re going to be a bit annoyed about buying that HDV camcorder.
I don’t want to pay Adobe or Ulead $100 just to be able do the things I can do on my Mac today, especially as Sony would like $3499 of my hard-earned cash. They would also seemingly wish me to go and get a surgical truss because the behemoth weighs 8 pounds (putting two 100GB hard drives in was inspired, presumably one 160GB drive wasn’t an elegant enough solution!)
Actually the truss will come in useful, because Sony – for reasons passing understanding – haven’t provided a TOSLink optical out for Dolby/DTS audio, presumably because someone like you said at a product development meeting “Don’t worry, everyone will have to go out and buy an HDMI-equipped cinema receiver”, so I may have to go and blow another $1500 or so if I want cinema quality audio.
As if all of this wasn’t bad enough, I don’t even get Windows XP Professional: no, instead I get the Media Center edition – in other words, XP Home after some particularly unappealing plastic surgery.
3) I’m going to offer you a compromise: I’ll concede that Microsoft and Dell are driving the PC industry, if you concede that they’re asleep at the wheel and are possibly under the influence of narcotics.
I know I’ve experienced Windows reboots when network details have changed, although I can’t remember which details have to change for a reboot to be invoked.
It used to be practically everything, then changes to DNS settings seemed to become fairly benign and I’m not certain where we are on this saga now.
In some ways, the more hilarious symptom of Windows’ constant need to be rebooted is when you go into the Display settings and swap from large fonts to small fonts and back again. Why this would need a reboot is a total mystery, but then what’s new.
“Then again the controversy is pointless. On the consumer side there are no areas where are covered only by applications run on a specific OS.”
Ok, so we’re done with discussing then, since that affirms the original position exactly?
“To limit on “does or not the same thing”… then everything is as good as everything else if they do the same end result.”
No, I’m saying does the same thing with similar ease.
“Mac OS X installed on those supercomputers is the same that runs on all other products.”
As is the Windows 2003 server that runs on one of the Windows supercomputers. But who cares? we can see that Linux owns most of this field now.
“ALL systems are dropping in the rankings every year. This is pretty common with every system with every release of Top500. Your point is?”
Yes but new Linux systems are coming in at the top, not a lot of new Mac OS X systems.
“Hors Simon, one of the publishers of Top500 and Director of IT department of Lawrence Berkeley Lab called the entry of Apple in that arena pretty significative. I’ll call him to tell that you disagree with him.”
The same group said Microsoft entering the arena was a significant development. Make of that what you will…
“”just about the same” is not a good criteria for choosing one system/OS combo versus another. You choose the best.” “People will choose the hardware that will give them the best specmarks and TeraFlops with their budget, not the cheapest one.”
Yes, but I struggle to believe that Apple will produce the fastest Woodcrest server on the planet. I tend to believe that they’ll all perform about the same, i.e. that for the main difference will not be performance or features but price.
Anyway, remember what you’re needing to argue here is “The Supercomputer world would miss Apple because…” Not “Apple XServes would make good building blocks for a supercomputer because…”
So all the above is really moot.
And here’s it’s pretty clear that they already predominantly use hardware from other people, and Apple’s hardware is now just clone of that hardware, And even if they purchased Apple hardware, they would probably use operating systems other than Mac OS X, so they wouldn’t miss Apple at all.
“Again, since virtual machine is there since ever, why do you think people have been dual booting since ever? All stupid? C’mon, think of something else. Even you should be able to come with a better retort.”
What are you even saying? Learn English or post in your native language.
Virtual machines do some things well, other things badly, not disputing that.
“Nope, the analogy is on meat. Either from a Big Mac (wow, a fuuuuul pound of meat) and a Cordon Bleu. Hey, it’s meat, they both weight the same, and it is meat. Meat is meat, right?” “Never heard of people saying haute cuisine is overpriced? Champagne is overpriced, caviar is overpriced, etc and food for silly rich people who do not know how to burn money faster? Hellooo? Are you theeeheree?”
No, the analogy is one kind of burger and another kind of burger. The products are sufficiently the same that to pretend to compare them as if a much superior product is stupid.
“funny taste, then you are right: pee and champagne are just the same.”
How would you know that they taste the same? Where I’m from we don’t roll around in our shit, OR drink our pee. Please take a shower and brush your teeth.
“The only reason would be the need to run a specific application that does NOT exist nor provide similar/same results but in that specific additional OS. But this is an hypothesis that you the first believe untrue.
“
No, you’re extending MDN’s hypothesis that Dell is replaceable (clearly true) to that the whole Windows universe is replaceable. Clearly the second is not true. There are some things you can only do on Windows today.
“Fact is, most people, set up with good antivirus, have PCs riddled with malware and spyware and do not even updated their antivirus. BTW, one is not enough.”
In your mind maybe, not in the real world.
“I don’t want to pay Adobe or Ulead $100 just to be able do the things I can do on my Mac today,”
Excuse me, which Mac notebook has an internal Blu-Ray option? I know, you Expect that product soon, and soon expect to be able to do the things with the Sony today on your Mac at some point in the future. And guess what, you’re probably right. Sooner or later Apple will catch up.
“haven’t provided a TOSLink optical out for Dolby/DTS audio”
The unit has an S/PDIF output. Who wouldn’t prefer the S/PDIF coaxial audio output to toslink? Given the choice between the two, don’t use toslink, unless you know for a fact that the units on both ends have very good transceivers and the cable is extremely high quality. .
“may have to go and blow another $1500 or so if I want cinema quality audio.”
C’mon, almost every receiver has an S/PDIF coaxial input. Why would you want to spend $1500 to solve a non existent problem?
“”Don’t worry, everyone will have to go out and buy an HDMI-equipped cinema receiver”,”
Or not, as we see above.
“I know I’ve experienced Windows reboots when network details have changed, although I can’t remember which details have to change for a reboot to be invoked.”
Probably you’re thinking about Win2k and earlier.
What are you even saying? Learn English or post in your native language.
We always said here that making such remarks is idiotic.
I am sure you would understand shit if he was to post in his native language. One more proof you are a real lobster.
MDN “water”. How appropriate for a lobster.
Chuck you, Farley.
“I am sure you would understand shit if he was to post in his native language. One more proof you are a real lobster.”
No, it’s a real problem, and I feel that I’d have a better understanding if he just posted coherently in his native language, if it’s one I coherently read then we’d probably enhance communication.
feel that I’d have a better understanding if he just posted coherently in his native language, if it’s one I coherently read then we’d probably enhance communication.
Great, so which other language you coherently read and write better than this poster showed with English?
If not better I can’t see how you could have a better communication.
“native speaker” You’re either retarded or not a native speaker.
As I suspected. You are just an single-language lobster: tail full of meat and head full of shit.
As usual when you have no answers to provide you either change topics or start calling names.
Just a troll. Thanks for confirming that dicklick.
Answer correctly in less than 5 minutes, you’ll get another cookie and you’ll be the first troll to be allowed to lament of poor english here, retard.
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MDN “horse” like in you’re the southend of a northbound horse
that SteveJackIsOnSpaceCookies is an ignorant xenophobe – curious for someone who laughs at George W Bush, but maybe he’s from the far right of the Republican party – so the fact that he picks on people with English as a second language is hardly a surprise.
His approach to any argument is that “want” is almost irrelevant to the consumer or the customer; any aspiration to deliver a superior product, such as a Keynote presentation when compared to Powerpoint or to create a home HD/BluRay DVD with HD content that has some creative flair is merely an affectation – PowerPoint is good enough and using Ulead for DVGate (with its limited “straight-cut” functionaility) should be good enough.
If you disagree with his point of view, you are ridiculed or bullied; if you have any evidence that absolutely counters his point of view, he changes the argument.
So far his idea of mainstream has been flexible enough to embrace CNC manufacturing, but not flexible enough to include DVD production. His antipathy to the MacOS is such that he will even recommend running Windows as a guest within Linux, rather than admit that the MacOS has some level of unique appeal.
I believe this guy has been here before: I remember arguing with someone -under a different name – who had a similar Windows/Linux fetish some while ago where his view was that optical audio input/output, DVI output FireWire 800 and various other PowerBook features were nothing more than fripperies; if this is the same poster, it’s ironic that he’s now touting a Sony laptop with optical audio and the consumer version of DVI (HDMI).
This poster’s antipathy and prejudice is further confirmed by the fact that he believes that Apple shipping a digital hub suite included in all new Macs that would arguably cost $300-500 and possibly more to add to Windows XP at a similar level of capability does not in and of itself constitute a unique product.
Furthermore, elements like AppleScript (no equivalent in Windows), Automator (no equivalent), Expose (a half-hearted knock-off coming in Vista), the included Development Tools (a commercial option with Windows), the availability of BSD Unix, the programmer-extensible desktop search of Spotlight (no direct equivalent in Windows), integrated text-to-speech and VoiceOver for visually impaired users are not sufficient evidence of a unique product, because – in his view – these are just nice to have features, rather than ‘life-changing’.
His world view appears to be that Windows XP is more than capable of acting as a homogeneous solution to all desktop computing requirements. The fact that so many corporates continue to shun Windows XP in favour of maintaining a Windows 2000 environment appears to have passed him by and he never seems to have questioned why that would be the case.
His lack of empathy with the needs of real users is stunning, his intolerance of those with opposing viewpoints is unbelievably aggressive and shows a lack of maturity or flexibility.
That’s pretty juvenile,
I thought about swearing back at you in each language (lets face it the first thing you learn in any language are a few swear words), but why bother.
That would just coming down to your level.
Thanks for really lowering the tone of the postings.
You’re either retarded or not a native speaker — SJIOSC
lets face it the first thing you learn in any language are a few swear words — SJIOSC
Well, since you are a native speaker you must thence be retarded:
lets wants an apostrophe: let’s
first thing…. are ? ARE? The first thing you learn IS. The verb goes with ‘The first thing’ not with ‘swear words’ RETARD!
That would just coming down to your level — SJIOSC
That would what? As a retarded native you should be congratulated: you scored errors on 50% of the statements you wrote.
What a moron bozo
“AppleScript (no equivalent in Windows), Automator (no equivalent),”
Appescript? Automator? You’re not seriously saying that hundreds of batch and automation tools don’t exist for non Apple systems and for Windows, including WSH? Take your pick.
“expose”
3rd party equivalents exist for non Apple systems. In fact I think I saw the software which inspired this feature first in some of the PC expanded desktop products of 10-15 years back.
“flexible enough to embrace CNC manufacturing, but not flexible enough to include DVD production”
Putting words in my mouth, never defined these as mainstream or not, you were the one who asked for several examples of what Windows was good at and Mac OS X couldn’t do. That was but one of them, and as far as I can see you haven’t contradicted that, your best argument is it’s not “mainstream”, not that I’m right.
And we went along way down the DVD production discussion, and concluded that you can create a DVD on Windows or the Mac, but the only notebook today with a built in Blu-Ray drive to create the HD movies you want is a Sony, yet for some reason a Macbook is apparently still a better notebook platform for producing Blu-Ray Disks. You then got confused and went down a tangent as to whether it had digital audio output in a common format, which it does, and still seem to think that a Blu-ray MacBook exists, which it doesn’t.
“optical audio input/output, DVI output FireWire 800 and various other PowerBook features were nothing more than fripperies;”
All available for non Apple systems, what’s your point, that some OTHER guy once claimed they were worthless?
“does not in and of itself constitute a unique product. “
Because it doesn’t. The same can all be done on non Apple systems. It may be your “favorite” product for the job, but “unique” – no way.
If you say that “I want to achieve job X and the only way I want to do it is with a product that looks and works exactly like Product Y” then I guess you could claim product Y is “unique” and “irreplaceable” but only because of how narrowly you defined things.
“a commercial option with Windows”
Or free tools exist for Non Apple systems including Windows.
“Sony laptop with optical audio and the consumer version of DVI (HDMI).”
That only came up correcting your misunderstandings about that particular machine’s capability. You chose to dive into it’s feature set. I chose to help you understand where you were wrong about it. Can’t have it both ways, claim I brush over things in one instance, and then get detailed the next…
“Consumer version of DVI”,
That implies it’s more than just a different, more compact connector with audio added. HDMI to DVI “conversion” is just a matter of an adapter plug. You clearly ran right off the end of your knowledge with the Sony discussion. Kinda like watching the Coyote with his feet spinning in air.
“text-to-speech”
In Windows since the 90’s. Available in DOS/Windows forever, heck even available on an Apple II (very crude of course).
“corporates continue to shun Windows XP in favour of maintaining a Windows 2000 “
Corporates move slowly. You’d know that if you had really run IT projects to the degree that you say you have.
To counter, for the non migrators, it’d be an indication of just how well Win2k is suiting their needs that they don’t feel big pressure to update to anything newer. What it seems is that you’re putting forward evidence that even the previous version of Windows works just fine for them too.
“intolerance of those with opposing viewpoints is unbelievably aggressive and shows a lack of maturity or flexibility.”
I think if we went back and counted who had agreed with the other posters most, you’d find it was me. And if you counted who threw the first insult in any exchange, most of the time, the other person. Generally I assume if they can dish it out, they can take it.
Finally if you think there’s any topics I’ve missed, I’ll be happy to go back over them. list them out.
But remember the topic to stay focused on is “if Apple were to go away, I would be unable to do the same thing on a non Apple system because…”
And “It’s just so fricking hard for me to use the software to get the job done” would be a valid point of view, except as you can see, I just don’t buy that argument for any of the tasks mentioned thus far.
“What a moron bozo”
Either add something useful to the discussion or get back in your cage and at least go amuse the tourists.
And we went along way down the DVD production discussion, and concluded that you can create a DVD on Windows or the Mac, but the only notebook today with a built in Blu-Ray drive to create the HD movies you want is a Sony, yet for some reason a Macbook is apparently still a better notebook platform for producing Blu-Ray Disks. You then got confused and went down a tangent as to whether it had digital audio output in a common format, which it does, and still seem to think that a Blu-ray MacBook exists, which it doesn’t.
And once again the arrogance comes to the fore:
SteveJackIsOnSpaceCookies has spoken, therefore it has been agreed and concluded. No voting is necessary for he is all-knowing and all-powerful.
You can create a BluRay project on a Mac now and save it until the burners are available for a Mac. You can also create an HD-DVD project now and save it until the burners are available. Not only that, but your projects may actually appeal to someone because you’ll have access to a range of effects and edits that actually exhibit some creativity. But if you want to go and blow $3500 on your Sony brick and then blow another $500 to bring your software up to scratch, be my guest – but you should be aware that they’re actually only shipping in Japan and the USA. Europe is on a pre-order basis, and the last time that was the case, Sony EOLed the machine before it even got here – something about Apple taking all the Core Duo chips. Of course, that probably won’t happen this time – Apple are probably about to move the MacBook Pro to Merom, so Sony can have all the Core Duos they need.
If you seriously believe that a similar product to Expose existed in 1990 – the era of Windows 3.0 – then I suspect you’re tripping on something Windows 3.0 could barely handle PageMaker without exploding, and After Dark often required endless fiddling with WIN.INI, SYSTEM.INI, and CONFIG.SYS – curiously on a Macintosh, it just worked. Also, if you think that Windows Scripting Host even remotely comes close to AppleScript, you are again tripping – a scripting environment that most administrators prefer to have disabled because of security issues (what was that about security not being much of a problem) is not actually much use.
But do me a favour here: give me an idea of the percentage of Windows apps that provide a structured scriptable API to WSH out of the bo (it doesn’t count as easy to emulate if a user – who may not have your vast level of sophistication – has to go and find the functionality, assuming it exists). For instance, does the Windows version of Google Earth have the same scripting capability as it does on the Mac OUT OF THE BOX. Does Adobe Photoshop? Does iTunes?
AppleScript provides a single structured method for an application to present an API. Because it isn’t based on Visual Basic or whatever fucked-up version of Java Microsoft created, it isn’t disabled by system administrators. Of course, we then get to Automator – if you have a product that provides that functionality, show me the money. BTW, there are currently 167 contributed sets of Actions on Apple’s website alone – presumably the product you can point me to has that same level of take-up and presumably all of the applications which have an interface to Windows Scripting Host also have the capability to have Automator-like actions created for them.
As for corporates moving slowly, how come they didn’t move slowly to Windows 2000 which got adopted at a pretty prolific rate by companies desperate to move away from Windows 95, but who couldn’t use NT4 because its ability to handle docked/undocked profiles was useless.
Face it, Windows XP hasn’t been successful in the corporate marketplace because – until SP2 – it was a festering pile of shit, and after SP2 (when it was just a pile of shit) most corporates have chosen to wait on the never-ending promise that is Vista (probably not realising that it wouldn’t be ready for primetime until the start of 2008.
One of the things I enjoy about your debating style is that when you want to drag up an example of something that Windows allegedly had as a concept fifteen years ago, it was a genuine innovation (even if it didn’t work). Whereas if Apple had a concept fifteen years ago, it doesn’t matter until it’s a shipping product.
I would say ‘feel free to ignore any of these points’, but I know that would be redundant.