“A few weeks ago we launched our tongue-in-cheek contest to dual boot Windows Vista on an Intel Mac… but little did we know Apple was planning on dropping the Boot Camp news a few days later,” OSx86 Project reports. “Nevertheless, Vista has proved a challenge even with Boot Camp, so we were fairly excited when AirmanPika let us know about his success with installing and booting Vista. Although several people have gotten the installer to work, AirmanPika is one of the first to get Vista up and running – and the first we’re aware of to give some screenshots. The installation isn’t without its glitches yet – and you have to delete your OS X partition – but it’s a start.”
Full article along with links to screenshots here.
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Move out of your parent’s basement!! Get a life!!!
You, there, you must be 30. Have you ever kissed a girl?!?!?
sheesh.
Cool!
Maybe after they get through beta…
1st post!
Dude! Check out this small block Chevy I put in my Carrera 4…
In related news, Airman Pika is also the first to put a piece of shit on top of his wonderful ice cream. He even has screen shots of this “hot sludge sundae” if you care. I don’t…
Pfft! Delete your OS X partition!?
Totally not shibby
Why does everyone seem so excited about running Windows on a Mac? I know it’s convenient to have both on one system, but this isn’t the greatest thing since sliced bread, it’s a load of cow dung that should be handled as such.
Listen, have you heard about the new boot camp thing from Apple? Just keep this crap off my Macs, i don’t need no ugly.
Thanks RS, I forgot about that. If you have to get rid of OS X to install Windows, than it’s not worth it
Delete OS X partition? For me that totally kills the fun. You could just buy some generic hardware similar to the imac and get it to run vista. I want to get them running on the same machine because I know that neither apple nor MS wants me to. The hacker movement is about getting what you want even if its not what the manufacturer had in mind.
Enter stage left MacDude:
“You will all be running Vista, OS X is dead, Bill Gates for President, Steve Ballmer for Defense, TCP will own everything blah blah blah…”
(gets booed off stage, then raptuous applause for Steve ‘Monkey Boy’ Ballmer and his sweaty palm routine).
Thanks RS, I forgot about that. If you have to get rid of OS X to install Windows, than it’s not worth it
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It’s been dual-booted.
No need to erase OS X.
Check digg.. this is old news.. Just to show that MS has been trying to ‘screw’ Apple (and WIn users) by not getting with EFI
And that didnt work..
Oh Good!
Now I can convert my 1500 Mac computer lab to the industry standard Windows Vista.
I’ll have job security for the rest of my life!
New staff, sexy new secretary, new car, bonuses…
OH THANK YOU APPLE!!
You know guys, you all critizied MacDude, but he’s been absolutely right.
“You will all be running Vista…”
is not a unreasonable assesment of the future situation, after all I find it incredibly hard to beleive that once a Mac user gets up to speed on OS X that he or she wouldn’t install Vista to get the advantage of all the software.
Eventually instead of booting OS X , people will be booting more and more into Vista. People will get used to it, it will be much more secure than before.
Maybe that’s why “Boot Camp” is called “Boot Camp”
It’s Apple’s way of telling us the end is near for OS X.
It’s going to be a brave new Vista world next year. Either be part of it, or be left behind.
Morty, you’re a short sighted dork!
I’ve been MS free for three years. Zero MS products here and I’m managing a half million dollars of AV installation projects just fine without any of that dog shit crapware on any of my Macs.
I don’t play games. I don’t do Office. I don’t NEED anything MS!
MS is the virus!
it will be much more secure than before
That wouldn’t take much.
Besides, have you seen the final, release-version Vista, or are just blowing out your ass?
Nobody knows what the final Vista will be like. Not even MS.
The MS faithful are like fanboys of a dying car company: “Yes the current product line stinks, but you just watch! The new models will be out hopefully soon and we just know everybody will want one!”. Yawn.
When your brave new world dawns and Vista ships, let us know. For the rest of us Mac OS X is here today. Talk about being left behind…
If I didn’t make my living on Autocad I think I could get by with just a Mac.
I bought a new iMac to experiment with dual booting. It’s working pretty darned good for an inexpensive all in one system.
Morty. Are you nuts? “or be left behind”??? At best most Mac users would only boot into XP+ just to check out a game or a specialty software. Most current Mac users and half of new users will not be using XP or Vista on a regular basis (or at all). OS X will always be superior to XP+ and people are realizing that.
Wow, such a violent crowd.
But just think. What does OS X have over XP right now?
Looks and security, right?
What does XP have over OS X?
“Developers, Developers, Developers” – MonkeyBoy
Now suppose M$ has gotten the message, it needs to dress up Windows and take care of the security issue.
So far the looks of VIsta is pretty good, foreign looking, but nice.
Also from what I read is Vista will be way more secure then present OS X is.
So that takes care of the advantages OS X had over Windows. So why would one need to buy a Mac for?
Nice looking hardware? Fine, because one will be able to chose if they want Mac OS X or Vista installed.
Listen carefully, listen to what I say.
Apple is a hardware company
2/3 rd’s of it’s income comes from HARDWARE.
Lot’s of Apple Stores need to move lots of product. Why doesn’t Dell have stores? Why did Gateway Stores die off?
These companies are selling the most popular OS on their equiptment and still Gateway Stores died.
Now how can Apple, with their small market share, expect to keep their high priced stores open without selling Mac’s with Vista?
IMPOSSIBLE!!
Once the iPod fad is over, Apple will be hurting and will need to sell anything to move hardware. including VistaMac’s.
Look how Apple is charging a whopping $99 for a cheap leather iPod case you can get online for $20.
How about the $200 overpriced iPod Hi Fi?
Why does Apple try to sell everything on it’s online store? Why is Apple muscling out the generic stores selling Apple products?
“Milk the Macintosh for all it’s worth and move on to the next big thing”
Is exactly what’s going on.
Wow another “Windows on a Mac” article! What a SHOCKER!
Slow news week huh fellas?
Enough already, it’ll be a flop anyway.
Morty, the reason Gateway had to close it stores is because of Dell’s cheaper methods of selling computers via phone call/online.
The cost of running those stores is quite high, how Apple will be able to continue to do it on such a paltry market share remains to be seen.
But people do like the “store” concept, a place they can physically deal with a company instead of online.
This is a good consumer approach, but business and IT can deal directly online and take advantage of cheaper prices.
Apple is morphing into a consumer products company, we should be seeing Apple branded TV’s, phones and other devices to support the huge cost of running all those stores.
Vista on Apple’s hardware is almost a given.
Needless to say we at Dell have been quite worried, the company came out with a line of better PC’s to compete with Apple. Also buying Alienware before Apple could.
Dell didn’t become the #1 PC vendor by lying on our backsides, we will compete with Apple because we can sell bulk computers to buisnesses and provide support to enterprise which they are unable or unwilling to do.
DellDude,
Nice and balanced reply to Morty, wouldn’t be so sure on the Vista-Apples.
What Morty forgets so easy is the one part of Job’s personality that is so very much critical for Apple’s current success.
Perfection
Repeat that a few times Morty, just like your developers. Even though Apple is getting closer to Microsoft, they also repeatedly showed the world that they want to control the whole widget, and will do so over and over again.
You can call me a zealot, or KoolAid-addict, but I know a few people that have the same drive for perfection and they would not let go of that for any money, for any reason.
Remains to be seen, but I’m confident on this one…
Why are any of you even bothering replying to Morty.. He’s just MACDUDE IN DISGUISE…
Don’t waste your time arguing with him… The guys a depressed lunatic and you won’t get anywhere with him..
He has no common sense whatsoever.
The best you can do is ignore him, he’ll go away..
Just on observation of the screenshots of Vista. Have you noticed MS has even gone so far as to copy the OS X appearance of the trash with their “recycle bin.” The had to go with the stainless steel wired bucket. If this isn’t indicative of their “innovative” methods, I don’t know what is. Can anyone help me out here?
I hadn’t heard about Apple even considering buying Alienware. No doubt they are fast boxes, but with SJ’s good taste, those butt-ugly cases would be the first thing he’d 86.
http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?s=7422177aa076de24a98c208f0bd1b71d&act=Attach&type=post&id=2211
Shane, welcome to your computer.
WTF? How dorky is that. Isn’t there one group of cool people in Microsoft that could write their dialogs? Seriously.
Who is this Macdude fellow you hate so much?
I’m not depressed nor a lunatic, I assure you.
Morty, maybe you aren’t; Macdude is.
Whether this is good or bad, I just hope developers don’t stop developing for the Mac.
My first Mac was IIcx and thought I was in Heaven.
Only a Windows user would clutter up the beautiful design of an iMac with a postage stamp and stickers.. etc..
They simply have no taste whatsoever.
Damian, Have no fear.. There are currently more Mac developers than there have ever been..
@ TB2 >
You need to be aware that there is a mistake in that dialog that gets corrected in a later version…
It should read Shane, you are welcome to your new computer
yeah yeah Morty. XP was way more secure than Windows 2000/98 too, for about a month.
Selling hardware is their business. That’s where their revenue comes from, that’s where their profits come from, and revenue and profit is what defines a business. Everything else they do is in support of this core business. Apple is famous for its software — both the Mac OS and their own Mac applications — but they make way less money selling Mac software than they do selling Mac hardware. And the iTunes Music Store is just the equivalent of “software” for iPods.
John Gruber has some good insights on the matter.
http://daringfireball.net/
Hello!!!
With a Mac, OSX and Boot Camp – why would anyone upgrade to Vista?
Anyone who has existing Windows software, has an existing copy of Windows XP and buys a Mac- it seems to me this kills ANY reason to upgrade/buy Vista unless its a new Dell/HP PC.
Am I the only one who see this?
Boot Camp gives the window users the safety blanket to make the big switch, gets the switcher a reason to switch with new hardware and they can use the OLD hardware (keyboard, mouse, monitor) with the Mac Mini.
Seems like checkmate to me.
Ok Matrix3,
Try this on for size.
If Vista is as good looking as Mac OS X, even more secure, and most all programs are written for it, why would anyone buy a more expensive Mac just to run Mac OS X when there is little software for it?
That’s the checkmate Microsloth is working on right now. They are not going to give their monopoly away to Apple or anyone else.
All things being equal between the two OS’s, the availability of software and compatability will be the issue.
If Mac OS X can run Vista applications, then it’s a stalemate.
Morty:
You might have a point BUT Vista isn’t shipping this year.
So all those that might have picked up Vista with a new PC this year for the holidays’ can’t buy it.
Guess what, they go to a big box retailer, they have money to burn they see the new shiny Mac’s, they hear they can use their exsting software and the windows they know and feel comfortable with and they BUY now.
Oops, MS with Vista missed the boat…
Checkmate!
Whether this is good or bad, I just hope developers don’t stop developing for the Mac.
Mac game developers are watching this Windows on Mac thing with great interest.
You see, the ports of Windows games to the Mac has always taken time, improvements made.
Now Mac users can just buy the Windows version instead of waiting for the Mac version to be released.
Mac’s use OpenGl and Vista will use DirectX, so this is problem getting both to be released at the same time.
read MacWorld article here
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/06/07/gamedev/index.php
Cool program! Free!
http://grandperspectiv.sourceforge.net/
Morty… er. MacDude asks.. “If Vista is as good looking as Mac OS X, even more secure, and most all programs are written for it, why would anyone buy a more expensive Mac just to run Mac OS X when there is little software for it?”
BECAUSE VISTA IS NONE OF THOSE THINGS! VISTA DOES NOT EVEN EXIST YET! Come on man, get a clue… M$ has been working on the vaporware called Vista for over five years now and it has just been delayed again till 2007.
There is plenty of software available for the Mac… Over 16,000 titles to be exact…Developers are comitting to the platform in droves… Apple has been consistently selling more Macs and breaking records for the past ten quarters. Apple is set to deliver another brand new OS (Leopard) probably before Vista. Mac marketshare is growing three times faster than the PC industry.. Apple is strong and healthy with 9 billion dollars in the bank..
Things are good for Apple, lose the fatalistic spiel… I’m sick of hearing it…
If you want to run Windows and buy a Dell, THEN GO AHEAD.. What exactly is your point here? I just don’t get it..
So all those that might have picked up Vista with a new PC this year for the holidays’ can’t buy it.
Temporary delay, Vista for buisnesses will be released in November and for consumers early next year.
All people will do is buy a Vista capable PC for the holidays and wait for the Vista release to buy it.
Come on, use your head.
By the way a 64 bit Intel Core Duo will be released in November as well. So there will be powerful PC’s ready to be sold by the holidays.
PC vendors or Microsoft might even give a discount on Vista because of the delay.
Hey Mike,
If I’m this “macdude” your refering so much and are telling people to ignore, then why are you responding to me?
Really, I think your the depressed insane one.
macdude on the brain.
Hi Morty,
Sorry, the businesses that CAN buy Vista in November, won’t.
Think about it, first ru of a new operating system, you don’t want to migrate your users until all the bugs are worked out in the real world. The worst thing you can do to yourself is to install a buggy, untested version and they have all your users crying for help. You’ll test it first on a “small” group and after it is proven to run with your existing software – you roll it out.
Oh, and the 64 bit Intel Cores, guess who might have that up on their new systems for holiday? Here’s a hint – it will be called the replacement for the PowerMac’s. You’ve given people another reason to buy a Mac for the holidays!
I think it’s checkmate!
And by the way, a regular PC with a coupon for Vista when it comes out- most people want immediate gratification.
The MD word: Nuclear – as that’s what Apple dropped on MS
Matrix3,
If you beleive a simple delay of a OS that’s 95% market share is all of a sudden going to kill them off, you got rocks in your head.
Vista could be the most bug ridden, insecure piece of garbage and still most everyone will use it.
Just like they do XP now.
Actually I hope Vista fails really, really bad. Apple will make out like gangbusters.
But Apple is betting Vista will copy a lot of OS X features “Redmond start your copiers” so they are planning a counter to that, which M$ is just playing a waiting game because Apple isn’t going after M$ big market, enterprise.
M$ is waiting for Lepoard, then will add those features to Vista and release it with a big media frenzy that will make Apple simply disappear in comparison.
I wish Apple would get back to it’s innovative roots, Mac OS X is still too complicated for most.
Hi Morty,
Yes, I agree with you that this won’t kill MS off in a month.
I hope I didn’t come across with that time frame.
BUT… Checkmate in the sense that this will be the beginning of the slide of MS, this will give people the reason to try OSX, this will give people the reason (with MS help) not to upgrade to Vista and by default keep people on XP long enough for them to switch. Checkmate as in stoping the momenteum that MS had by defauland giving everyone the option to use a different operating system. We’re at a nexus which was created by MS with a new(copy) operating system called Vista and the delay of releasing it by their own timetable.
Apple taking advantage of this window(no pun intended) with the switch to Intel and Apple’s better Operating System. No one can really say that Apple copied Longhorn/Vista since it’s still not out.
MD word: leaders, as in that’s what Apple is.
MacDude asks “then why are you responding to me?”
Because I seriously want to know what you get out of jacking this forum.. For months, I’ve been watching you and your fatalisitic attitude about everything…
Absolutely everything that you write is about how Apple has wronged the world… Never and I mean NEVER have I seen you write anything positive at all about Apple..
I really don’t get it… Is it really fun for you… Is this a form of entertainment for you? Please explain..
And don’t try your I’m Morty, who’s MacDude line… I can see your spots from a mile away..
Mike,
I believe that you are on the correct path.
Maybe you’ll find ‘Morty’, or ‘The Poster formerly known as MacDude’, here >
http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/
MDN/MW: I’d bet ‘money’ that you will.
PS. Nothing like a disgruntled, former-employee, pissant – to post excretive nonsense, in an attempt to rattle the chains of those who are mostly happy with the products of your former employer.
“Only a Windows user would clutter up the beautiful design of an iMac with a postage stamp and stickers.”
I have stickers all over my iBook. It helps me keep track of it when going through security at airports.
Definitely a “Pyrrrhic Victory”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
MW= bed
as in, these guys are obviously in bed with M$!
Thanks Bloke!
It all makes sense now!! MacDude used to work at Apple and was FIRED! That’s where all his pent up anger comes from… MacDude loses his job at Apple and spends all his time badmouthing and trying to spread FUD and rumors..
Wow! Talk about a HEAD-CASE!
i heart macdude wrote:
“Move out of your parent’s basement!! Get a life!!!
How do you know the guy has not his parents tied in the basement , huh?
All 30 years old people you know are doing similar
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All 30 year old guys you know are doing similar things?
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You seem to know pretty much about that lifestyle
Oh no! OSX has finally caught the Vista virus. It is the first bona fide virus for OSX and its payload is really bad, it results in the total destruction of your OSX partition making every Apple application totally unusable. The only way to remove it is to low level format the drive and perform a clean install, then keep the computer away from open windows cos bugs fly in through open windows.
Cheers
BTW, all you guys keep forgetting Apple has a much larger slice of the market than most people think.
Statistics have determined that the average Apple user keeps his hardware twice as long as the average PC user. That means he installed base is at least twice as large as most people think, around 10% installed base.
Also IDG ranked Apple the 4th largest hardware manuafacturer by sales in the US for 2005. That makes them bigger than all except three manufacturers. If you start looking at Apple as hardware they are not small and insignificant, they are one of the biggest. It is only when you rank them against ALL the other manufacturers that they look small, but then so do any of them if you do the same thing.
As for Vista being more secure – don’t believe it. It has been re-written to remove .NET from its internals. It still has support for .NET applications but does not use it itself – and this has been proved by independent analysis. That means all the good security gubbins of .NET is gone replaced instead by last minute mickey mouse code by our big brother MickeySoft.
Sheesh !
Gimme OSX and virtualised Win/Lin/Solaris and I can assist any client while still using what I prefer.
Cheers
MDN:- for our sanity please block out the poster MacDude, or as he’s now calling himself, Morty. He fills these pages with such crap.
Leopard will be shown to developers in August. When that will happen everybody will understand why Microsoft OS are dead. Vista? LOL
Leopard does things that makes jaw drop to the other side of the planet.
Game Over
vista is basically the same architechture as xp, its going to be just as fallible as xp to viruses, its a pig with lipstick.
its got legacy code from 20 years still coming out it ass.
vista is going to be the dog that xp is right now, not only is it ugly, its slow to the finish line.
apple just have to keep at doing what theyre doing, just like firefox is doing to internet explorer, slowly take market share away from the slow, stagnant, short-sighted microsoft.
vista is no threat.
The only reason they held off releasing vista is because they wanted to see what Leopard had in store, microsoft simply cant develop anything original or innovative.
and by holding back their release date, theyre letting more and more people see the benefits of mac os X, and once people go mac, they dont go back.
Leopard does things that makes jaw drop to the other side of the planet.
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Cool.. you’ve seen it?… We keep hearing gimmicky stuff like ‘multiple docks’ and ‘we finally fixed the Finder’
Having said that.. as usual.. what Apple comes out with will be TOTALLY different than what we ‘think’ they’ll do…
… once again reminding all of us on here why WE don’t work at Apple.
1. Apple sells more Macs to Windows users who want to run Windows only.
2. Apple sells Leopard to OS X users who want to run OS X only.
3. Apple sells Macs and Leopard to persons who want the option of running both Windows and OS X.
Apple is offering Mac users options. The number one rule in business is giving the customer what they want. You know, there are people content using Jaguar and Panther. I would not be alarmed by Windows on a Mac, some folks actually prefer a second rate operating system. Do you really think that Apple will abandon its historical consumer base for a red headed stepchild named Bill? If you really believe that OS X is the preeminent OS, why worry? Hey, Darwine, you got an opinion?
as I said
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http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore/
what do you all think about that? Macbooks maybe?
I’m certain it’s a G5 Powerbook.
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Store closed, new products coming…
iPod?
MacBook?
My bets are on the iBook-replacement…
Cheers
Unless there is some unknown reason that I need to use windows for (not possible) then i’m sticking with Mac OS.
I cannot see ANY possible reason why I would want to install any version of windows on my mac.
Sorry M$ et al – i’m sticking with Apple and the Mac OS until i’m put in a box.
I can’t stand M$, never liked their OS or any of their products – even the x box was rushed out and not tested just to get the product to market.
No sale here i’m afraid.
Now i’m gonna order my Mac Intel Powerbook…
Morty: By the end of this year, I predict Apple will have gained at least another 2 percentage points in market share assuming it’s now about 4.5% in the US (although it’s quoted as anywhere between 2.3% and 5%). Regardless, I think Apple Mac sales will reach at least 6.5% by end of December 2006.
Why?
1. Because Mac OS X is better.
2. Because iLife is better.
3. Because Macs look-and-feel better.
4. Because Intel Mac pricing is in the ballpark with same-size Core Duo based PCs.
5. Because previous PC peripherals can continue to be used with a Mac mini and soon-to-come Mac Pro.
6. Because Windows OS and application investments can continue to be used on a Mac.
7. Because Vista is not available to boost PC sales, and since a most of the business cycle PC replacements has already occurred and is coming to an end. The Y2K scare in 1999 shifted many companies into a 2002-2003 buy and a 2005-2006 buy.
8. Because Mac owners can get in-person customer service at an Apple Store.
9. Because the Leopard preview in August will show that Mac OS X is even further ahead of Vista than currently believed.
10. Because the soon-to-come Front Row improvements and new iPods will show that the Mac is the best home/on-the-go entertainment solution.
Stop the insanity!
First we try to shoehorn a piece of crap OS onto a mac, then Apple blesses the whole venture, now we are putting Beta crap on our macs.
Is it not enough to slather on the crap that we can’t wait to put more crap that isn’t even fully birthed yet?
Oh the hypocrisy. I want to remain M$ free. I want to be productive. I want to see GUI goodness. I want to walk toward the light. Keep me far away from this mess.