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  1. NSA is a terrorist organization sponsored by the US government.

    Saying they protect us from terrorist attacks is like chopping off someone’s leg to cure a stubbed toe.

    1. Not interesting? Don’t be so sure Joe. You should see your report for the month of April this year? The stuff on pages six and seven were fascinating! Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course. Boy the NSA doesn’t miss anything. How’d they get a camera in there?

    2. Ah, the classic “If you don’t have anything to hide, you don’t need to worry about it” stance.

      The problem is, they can change the rules at any time, and things that you think are okay today, may (will) not be tomorrow.

      I guess you are okay that we are basically ALL suspects now, even without any reasonable suspicion or probable cause?

      Just because you think your communications are inane (and I’m guessing they likely are based on your comment) that doesn’t mean that the government should have access to them without due process.

      Once you begin giving up your rights (or, in this case having them taken away from you), it is very steep and very slippery slope.

      People who are willing to simply accept this amaze me.

    3. Double plus good comment, comrade Joe!

      It’s so simple – just always agree with and fully support everything the government says and does. And why wouldn’t you? The President and the rest of the Party are always right and totally awesome. Only criminals would think to contradict them. Just listen to Steve Jobs – according to him, only crazy ones, misfits, and rebels think different.

      If you have nothing to hide, there’s nothing to worry about. Ignorance is strength! USA! USA! USA!

  2. This is not a big deal. The only people effected by this are Republicans, you know, TeaBaggers. And they are not really people. Real people know what TeaBagging is, right?? You know who you are. And you don’t have to worry because Obama is which you.

  3. The fact is, there is no definite distinction between data and meta data. All of it is data. All data is in a hierarchy, being meta to some other data, and subordinate to other data. The idea that some data is merely meta, and some is actually data is a total furphy.

  4. Yeah, and you sheeple are still thinking there was a presidential election. If they can hack into every citizens email and phone calls worldwide, you think they can’t hack those lousy voting machines.

    Dream on sheep, der Fuerher will protect you in your slumber.

    HEIL OBAMA!

    1. Actually it was Bush that the president of Diebold promised to deliver the 2004 election for. “Mission Accomplished”, I read somewhere. You know Diebold, the maker of the most popular voting machine, which will not allow any audit of the Windows-based software that runs the machines.

    1. Sadly, this is true. And I’m socially liberal. When we have a Republican administration again, these same people who brush this off now will scream at the top of their lungs that this is unconstitutional and demand that it be stopped.

      It is sad that political issues have become viewed as a team sport, with the general populace just accepting whatever their chosen side does as right no matter what. As long as their team is “winning”, everything is wonderful. 😐

      Of course, it isn’t only liberals who behave this way.

    2. I’m not following your method of contorting this into a left versus right issue. It smells like bullshit.

      It seems like mostly the same people are angry about domestic spying under Obama President and President Bush. “Liberal” is an awful label to use for the minority who have switched sides the on domestic spying issue after the election, since many of them didn’t care about domestic spying during the Bush administration. If I had to pick a one word label for everyone who switched sides on NSA spying after the election, I’d use “hypocrites”.

    3. You might think that, but that does not make it true. Enjoy crafting your unsupported, simplified partisan fantasies, but life is much more complex than that. One or two or even a few labels cannot come close to capturing the complexity of real people.

      I would just as soon leave you to wallow in your convictions without contesting your assertions. Unfortunately, your ossified viewpoint is a boil on the buttocks of this society.

  5. Here is how it could affect everyone-

    Suppose a newly elected junior Senator goes to Washington to get the will of the people done. He is in the minority and also belongs to the party out of office, but he is such a popular figure that even the media loves him, and people on both sides of the isle respect him. He is clean and articulate….

    Let’s say that he is the figurehead for a popular movement to clean up one of the thousands of bad policies in our Capitol. The people want him to fix this issue, and with a ‘bipartisan’ gang, he stakes his reputation and future clout to do just that. And he is having success until-

    A certain Congressman from the other side tries to persuade him to be more ‘moderate’ in his approach to the issue, so that both sides may claim a victory. To do so would be to violate the promise to his constituents and defeat the entire purpose of their cause.

    However, the Congressman is also privy to a certain security council that oversees the NSA, which is controlled by the President, who happens to be of his party. And maybe some of the ‘metadata’ gathered from the altruistic Senator’s IP address and phone records suggest he might have a penchant for little boys, or his wife might have sent a few pictures while he was away from home, or possibly suggest a connection to a certain drug use. It would be a shame for this type of information to find its way to the media, wouldn’t ?

    But of course, the powerful Congressman wants to help the new Senator, but he’s just not sure if he can persuade the ‘other’ people who control this info. Maybe if the Senator played ball and showed he could be trusted, the innocent but suggestive data might be put back in the ‘lockbox’ (at least until he decides to seek higher office….).

    It won’t be long till the TSA is at every bus stop, sporting arena and concert venue. And the NSA will watching.

  6. For all of you that blame the NSA mess on Bush, read this:
    “But he warned that Congress’ 2008 reform of the FISA system expanded the government’s authority by forcing the court to approve entire surveillance systems, not just surveillance warrants, as it previously handled.”
    Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. But, weren’t the democrats the majority in both houses in congress at that time?

    http://news.yahoo.com/former-judge-admits-flaws-secret-court-145541583.html

    1. Oh, and I guess next you will expect us to believe that Bush’s ‘Fast and Furious’ didn’t give guns to the Mexican drug lords the way Obama’s version did.

      Rule of thumb-if George Bush was alive at the time whatever happened, then it is his fault….

      😉

    2. Please, stop trying to force this to fit a limited right vs. left ideology. That one-dimensional political thinking is a sideshow that distracts from what corrupt leaders are really doing. Clearly, many Democrats and Republicans in Washington are complicit in NSA spying scandal.

        1. Thank you for your support. 2008 would have been the 110th Congress. The Democrats held 50.5% of the Senate and 54.3% of the House. Not quite 2/3 in either Chamber. Some would say “Not even close.”

          1. What? How the Hell could Bush have had a bill to sign if the Democrats had not passed it to begin with? Nevemind over riding a veto, THEY gave it to him!!!

            Am I missing something here…?

            1. I guess you missed this:
              For all of you that blame the NSA mess on Bush, read this:
              “But he warned that Congress’ 2008 reform of the FISA system expanded the government’s authority by forcing the court to approve entire surveillance systems, not just surveillance warrants, as it previously handled.”

              If Bush thought it was a bad idea, he didn’t have to sign. Unless he was just trying to embarrass Democrats instead of “I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”. Alternatively, maybe that was the best of his ability.

            2. No I didn’t miss that.
              Maybe you missed the point that it could have never gotten to his desk to sign without support from the Democrats.

              You know, like when they approved the wars before the campaigned against them (once our men were in harm’s way while they undermined them for political gain).

            3. Mcmans’ point was that it wasn’t Bush’s fault. I say it was. Bush tried for a freeby, by saying “This (otherwise popular with Republicans) bill is a bad idea, but i”m going to sign it anyway.” That’s just a load of mealymouthed crap.

              If your point is “Democrats bad, Republicans good”, OK. My feeling is “A lot of Republicans generally bad, Democrats could be better.”

            4. No, my point is that they are ALL complicit (to some degree), but many on the left completely ignore their party’s involvement.

              A President has to sign an entire bill or veto it.
              The Congress gets to shape it.

              Put the blame where it belongs, on the ones who gave him no choice.

  7. 1) Metadata = private data. The government STILL requires ‘probably cause’ per individual in order to qualify for a LEGAL warrant. (Obviously the current FISC warrants are NOT legal).

    2) ALL data is what the NSA is collecting, NOT just metadata. Why isn’t that clear to everyone? Let’s review:

    a) The NSA taps into the Internet, upstream of major Internet services such as iCloud, Facebook, Twitter. They gather ALL incoming data. They have an illegal BLANKET warrant from the corrupt FISA courts to do so. That MASS of private data is stored. That is one of the purposes of the NSA’s gigantic data center in Utah.

    b) The NSA then takes all that ILLEGALLY, UNCONSTITUTIONALLY collected data and analyzes it via a system of key word, aka ‘trigger word’ detection systems. When a ‘trigger’ is found, that data is grabbed out of the pile and reanalyzed to the nth degree for whatever they’re looking for. For now we’re told it is terrorism plots. Tomorrow it will be dissenting comments about the Powers That Be currently in power, or blue collar crimes, white collar crimes, blahblahblah.

    IOW: It is a pile of data accessible at any time for ANY purpose. Expect abuse. If you don’t expect abuse, you’re a prime target. Enjoy!

    Yes folks, THIS is what we know so far. This IS happening every day right now. Don’t bother attempting shout it down. Anyone doing their homework can verify this all to be fact. I suggest you start by checking out the unconstitutional, illegal warrant the Guardian published last month via hero Edward Snowdon, defender of the US Constitution.

    1. Quoting Benjamin Franklin:
      “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

      I think I’ll stick with what my favorite USA forefather intended for our country. Fascists and privacy compromising FUD propaganda spewers are NOT welcome by We The People. 😕

  8. The governemt should be recording every phone call we make. Can you imagine how helpful it would have been to go back and listen to every call the 9-11 hijackers made over the year leading up to the bombing. Honestly, AT&T having this data scares me more than the NSA having it. There is an entire industry out there that sells your information to the highest bidder, people. Guess we’ll have to wait until the next toddler gets kidnapped or something before we can move on to the next non-issue everyone gets outraged about.

    1. You can trust the power hungry creeps at the NSA with everything you’ve ever said or did. And when they change the laws to outlaw your actions, then a public and humiliating show of horrible punishment is what a criminal terrorist (under future legal definitions) like you and any American deserves, if you leave it to the whimsical notion of monsters with absolute power.

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