“The National Transportation Safety Board voted 5-0 to recommend that states ban all driver use of cell phones and other portable electronic device while driving except for emergencies,” Eric Savitz reports for Forbes.
“The recommendation applies to both hands-free and hand-held phones, going well beyond existing state laws,” Savitz reports. “‘Manufacturers and providers of portable electronic devices known to be frequently used while driving should reduce the potential of these devices to distract drivers by developing features that discourage their use or that limit their non-driving- or non emergency-related functionality while a vehicle is in operation,’ the NTSB said.”
Savitz reports, “The NTSB does not have the power to actually impose a ban on driver use of mobile phones, but the unanimous recommendation could sway the states to toughen current distracted driver laws, which in many states bar the use of hand-held devices while driving, but which do not go so far as to ban the use of phones on a hands-free basis.”
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Siri.
Someone get some iPhone 4S units over to the NTSB, get them up-to-date (for a change) and show them why we and millions of others haven’t touched our iPhone 4S units to text, email or for many other uses while driving or otherwise since October 14, 2011.
Ban the lesser cell phones of the world outright, who cares, but obviously, Apple Siri-powered devices should be exempted. Plus, there’s no way to enforce a ban of iPhone 4S use while driving unless you’re going to attempt and fail to prohibit drivers from simply talking.
Apple wins again – and, since the release of iPhone 4S with Siri, is very likely saving lives each and every day.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “David E.” for the heads up.]
While I agree and love Siri. The NTSB was saying that ANY cell phone use, not just texting is distracting. Just picking up your cellphone or looking at it causes enough distraction that it could be detrimental. But so would the radio or anything else you might have in the car. What we really need is a siri iCar. My wife says it all the time, I wish Apple made a Car.
Actually, any talk while driving is potentially dangerous, so if we try to be really honest and fair, talks in cars have to be prohibited no less than cellphone talks via Siri (or otherwise).
BANISH onStar also ok — good idea – RIGHT?
IF so, then we need to BANISH all electronic devices too… YEAH ?
like GPS devices and DVD players in the back seat for the kids because thats a distraction too. No one should be able to touch even in the passengers side a cellphone for fear it will distract from driving.
Why not FINE every driver who even TOUCHES his/her cup of COFFEE while we think this through.
UP here in COLD CANADA LAND — it is already illegal to TOUCH any portable electronic DEVICE… including my BLUETOOTH ear device.
STUPID to me… this ruling BUT thats the law,
SEEMS to me SIRI is the ONLY exception to HAVE SET.
APPLE has the BEST phone and the RIGHT technology at the RIGTH time.
AGREED – if the PEOPLE fight for LAWS and SET the way of the LAND we can FIGHT for OUR rights.
AFTERALL – is talking is going to be BANISHED then so should SINGING and LISTENING TO MUSIC.
Oh hell – back to my hibernation.
All drivers and passengers should have their mouths duct-taped in order to prevent distractions such as talking, drinking, eating and singing. Such activities are known to be highly dangerous and have caused many unintended accidents on the road. This measures would please the NTSB and they can claim an Oscar for preventing millions of potential deaths.
The whole issue of cell phone caused distraction is the result of a study, which indicated that 3,000 people are killed on our highways each year, due to cell phone using drivers.
What’s nuts about this is that given the total number of miles driven each year, 3,000 is a pittance. While each death is a tragedy, this is going way overboard in trying to protect everybody from any kind of injury.
Next on the ban list is cup holders, ashtrays, cigarette lighters, GPS, radios, CD players and passengers.
Driving itself is dangerous, so should it be prohibited at all?
Also ban roads and highways because millions upon millions have needlessly died. Death on the road is the biggest contributor to total mortality of a country’s population.
Better get rid of cup holders too. You don’t need to drink soda or coffee when driving.
That’s happening in the UK, where it’s illegal to take a drink of water, unwrap a candy, or touch a cell phone while driving. People have gotten tickets just for taking a drink while stopped at red traffic lights. I’m all for safety, but these measures go far too far.
but what about my MPH app? My speedometer is broken 🙁
I agree. I teach Behind the wheel. Even hands free devices are shown to distract when driving. Siri is awesome, but texting through voice is a distraction while driving. The NTSB is right on this one.
+∞!
Driving while steering is dangerous, driving while braking is dangerous, driving while listening is dangerous, driving while looking is dangerous. You know, as long as you are driving, it is dangerous. It may run over Obama.
Dude, get real. Studies have shown talking to a person in the car is nothing like talking to someone on a phone. The person in the car picks up on clues from the driver and help keep things in check. Learn before you speak.
Ban em all.
Exactly. People talking on phones are not operating the same level as they do in casual in-car conversation. They are engrossed in work, develop “tunnel vision” (get caught up in imagination), and can hit people while staring blankly right at them. Study after study has proven they can be worse than drunks. Using cells, CB radios or headsets makes NO difference.
Read the article! I don’t know what you are quoting from but the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration states…
“Even though connectivity in cars is under the microscope at NHTSA, drunken driving caused more crash fatalities last year than did phone calling and texting distractions.”
… because fewer people spend less time driving while using their phones than driving while drunk? Also, you are limiting the statistics by limiting the severity to “deaths”. I don’t consider a phone-caused fender-bender to be trivial! Perhaps you own multiple (or no?) autos. I don’t.
And how about those idiots who are driving drunk and talking on the phone? 🙂
I have hands free bluetooth and I have driven past my turns many a time. It never happens when I’m chatting to passengers, or listening to the radio.
The two kids screaming in the back seat don’t pick up on anything the driver does. I can say this definitively as both a driver and, from my youth, one of the screaming kids.
I wonder what will happen to the car
Apple car – i do not agree – and it solves nothing in this situation.
THE SOLUTION is for people to RISE up and claim their rights and point to the law makers WHY SIRI should be exempted from this.
1 MDN take
Attempting to ban hands-free operation of a mobile device in a vehicle is just ignorant. Let’s just ban car stereos too while they’re at it. Just another example of more government overreach, but that’s par for the course. The cronies in charge always think they know how you should be living your life better than you do.
You miss the point others are making; listening to stereo is apples to oranges. Mythbusters episode awhile back confirmed phone discussions, even hands free, degrades driving performance. Not saying I agree with a ban on hands free however…
I saw the episode you’re referring to, but I don’t think they tested the phones hands-free, only driving with one planted to their ear.
Things sure have gotten dangerous since cell phones started mixing with driving. This explains why last year had the lowest fatalities per mile in the history of the USA. No wait…
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/12/fatality-rate-on-us-roads-last-year-at-all-time-low/1
I’m so tired of bureaucrats telling us how to live.
Bill buddy, you are bringing logic and a clarity into a discussion that involves a decision made by our government.
You are destined to fail here 😉
Clearly, you haven’t read the linked article. Distracted driving (specifically, talking on the phone and texting) caused 1 out of 11 deaths in that same statistic. So, yes, clarity and logic are most certainly welcome here.
So, yes; things have sure gotten dangerous since cell phones started mixing with driving. While the total number of fatalities has dropped (thanks to safer cars with more airbags and energy-absorbing zones), distraction is becoming more and more significant cause of those fatalities.
If you are the type who can be distracted by a hands free conversation while driving, my life experience tells me that you are the type who will be distracted by practically anything including your own thoughts.
Thats why I run my life on my own experience as opposed to yet another study by a Phd. Lots of them can’t find their car in a parking lot, so……… and I partake in a dangerous activity with rarely a bruise.
So 1 in 11 are due to distracted driving, what are the cause of the other 10 deaths? The article states that nearly 1/3 of the deaths are due to drunk driving, so drunk driving is a much larger problem than the cell phone. Even with these 2 causes of death, it would be interesting to find out what the others are since they amount roughly 60% of all deaths.
So when are we going to outlaw smoking while driving? How about eating or drinking (non-alcoholic) while driving? Putting on make-up? Changing clothes? Shaving? Having sex? The possibilities are endless. Obviously, the only solution is a security camera inside every vehicle, monitored by the TSA. And while we’re at it how about a black box transmitting vehicle data directly to the police so they can mail you speeding tickets?
Ah! A perfect world at last…for insurance companies. And who else did you think the NTSB was looking out for?
It’s already happening. Alberta just enacted a “distracted driving” law. Eating a burger, putting on make-up, making toast, talking on a hand-held, etc.
The police have been asked to use discretion and appear to be doing just that.
That’s been the law in the UK for several years now. No eating or drinking anything; no touching cell phones, speed cameras everywhere (including average speed cameras that clock you in one place then clock you again several miles down the road, and work out your average speed over the distance).
TEXTING for sure TAKES the eyes off the ROAD…
but TEXTING using SIRI should not.
THE DIFFERENCE should be CLEAR and MADE as an EXCEPTION.
YET another reason to buy the iPhone4s – hurray apple.
I thought failure to maintain control of a vehicle was already a crime.
And besides, who can talk on a phone while driving a car with a beer in one hand and a joint on the other?
Now, if they are going on data, at what point are people under 21 and over 65 disallowed? And racial stereotypes? Cheeseburgers? People with glasses, overweight or low IQ?
The point is, driving while driving is dangerous. I can no way in Hell figure how talking on a phone is more likely to cause a wreck than a woman putting on her mascara. Where is the data on that?
I have MIND control feature rigged to my iPhone4s.
AND so I CAN SMOKE a joint with one hand and a bear in the other meanwhile converse on the CELPHONE to navigate through my pre-programmed GPS rigged steering me all the way through traffic. LOL… joke joke joke.
Weeeeeee !!!!!
THX GOD 4 the iPHONE4s – car equipped MIND control – now driving is totally safe and NO ONE ever grows old. I mean crashes…
It’s not either or many states have already enacted various distracted driving laws that would include a variety of activities such as putting on makeup as well as texting etc.
Playing devil’s advocate here…
While that statistic is interesting, that’s only fatalities. How about total number of accidents? I’d bet that the number of fender-benders has gone up since the advent of the mobile phone, and especially with the texting madness.
Yes, I’m MOST concerned about getting KILLED by the distracted driver next to me (trying to send that text message on their Android phone, which has a virus and is responding slowly)….
…but I’m also very concerned about simply getting IN an accident with said moron, possibly injured in a non-fatal manner, and at a minimum, having my nice car screwed up by the moron’s lack of attention to driving, and having to deal with the simply cost and/or inconvenience.
Ban non-handsfree use of mobile phones by the driver.
I forgot one point….MANY factors have contributed to reduced fatalities. Improved car safety equipment, better medical care and equipment, and yes, even the cell phone…by being able to call for help immediately instead of waiting for someone to go for help (which could take a couple of hours back in 1949).
With all that, the fatality rate might be even lower if it weren’t for people fiddling with their phones WHILE driving (texting and email are the absolute worst).
My informal survey: Every time I notice someone driving like a moron (swerving erratically, one wheel off the road, driving way too fast or slow), it seems like 8 out of 10 times the person has a phone in their hand.
Not to mention the fact that the decrease in fatalities might have more to do with the improved construction of car frames. Unless of course, you drive a Honda Civic.
“Unless of course, you drive a Honda Civic.”
Aw, bullshit. I just got nailed in the drivers side of my new 2012 Honda Civic EX-L sedan that I only had for two weeks. It’s in the shop now and is going to cost over $10,000 to repair. I was amazed at how well the side airbags protected me. It sounds like the NHTSA changed the way they rate this stuff.
http://www.insideline.com/honda/civic/2011/2011-honda-civic-gets-two-stars-in-latest-nhtsa-crash-test.html
I was speaking more about the frame and the outside of the car. I used to drive a 1997 Honda Civic, and that thing would get dented if you dropped a cotton ball on it.
Curious what the other driver was doing (other than attempting to drive) when your new Honda was broadsided?
The other driver was losing control of his car on black ice. Ten cars involved, and my car felt perfectly stable with the traction control, until I was hit and spun ninety degrees. By the way, this new Civic was to replace my ’89 Civic Si, which I luckily still have and am driving again. I hadn’t been involved in a wreck since 1975, and fate just had to wait till I got a new car. But, I’m sure glad I was in the 2012 and not that little ’89. Probably wouldn’t be walking around right now.
What else went on last year that might have contributed to the fall in deaths? Oh yeah, an epic recession! With fewer people working there were few miles logged on US roads. So of course the fatality rate was down. How about looking at the period before the widespread used of mobile devices and after? I would expect the long term trend to be more useful, and likely even a bit alarming.
So cars get better, rode safety gets better and this makes it ok to throw it out the window?
How can you use that statistic to say its ok to chat while driving?
Sorry, Bill, you reached a false conclusion. The reduction in fatalities is due to improvements in vehicle construction, such as all those added air bags.
MDN, do you not read these links. The NTSB, and other studies by other groups, clear show that any distraction while driving, even eating or downing a Big Gulp, contribute to accidents. Sometimes the Apple fanboy approach needs a bit of rational thought.
Dear rational thinker,
Show all of us the NTSB and/or any other study that includes Siri.
We’ll wait…
Who granted you KING, POPE and GOD all in one – title – joke.
Agreed to wait and see — but is that what SUPERIOR BEINGs do? — wait n see?
I guess the government should crack down on Drive-Through restaurants then.
This isn’t an “Apple fanboy approach.” This is a “tired of bureaucrats trying to protect me from everything by taking everything away” approach. By this logic, every car should have no AM/FM radio receiver (except one tuned to the government notice frequency), have room for only the driver (so that there are no distracting conversations), go no faster than 15MPH, and not even function until the driver puts on his helmet and dons full personal protective gear.
Yes, I’m taking it ad absurdam. So’s the NTSB.
No, NTSB is NOT taking it “ad absurdam”. As said above (and in a linked article), 1 in 11 fatalities are caused by distractions (such as phones), vast majority of those being phones. Not AM/FM radios. Not other passengers. Not the lack of personal protective gear or helmets, nor speeds in excess of 15 MPH.
So, when a number is NOT negligible, they will make their recommendation that reflects proper concern.
Mind you, NTSB does NOT have a power to pass laws. Your elected representative does this for you, his electoral base.
Well, I guess with all the electronics in a modern car, and the fact that it is mobile, about the only thing anyone would be able to drive legally would be a ’56 Edsel, or some other vintage automobile.
No such thing as a’56 Edsel. (Sorry, couldn’t resist).
Anybody remember CBs? Will their usage be outlawed as well?
that’s a big 10-4, good buddy.
Yep I remember CBs, I still have one in my jeep and I still use it up on the trails. Haven’t had it on while in town or traffic in years.
What they need to do is ban passengers. For me at least, talking (hands free) to someone on an iPhone is no different than talking to someone sitting next to me.
If they really want to get rid is distractions then they should ban all billboards, especially ones that use sex to sell. In other words, most of them.
…”For me at least, talking (hands free) to someone on an iPhone is no different than talking to someone sitting next to me.”
Oh, but there IS a difference. When you’re talking to a passenger, he is right there with you, and he equally responds to visual cues from outside (conversation suddenly dies when something is happening outside). When you’re on the phone with someone, you will always subconsciously remove yourself from your car and involve yourself with the person on the phone, significantly lowering your attention to the outside stimuli. This has been proven by scientific studies.
NTSB’s recommendation is actually very reasonable, as inconvenient as it may be to many people who routinely talk on the phone and drive.
Time to remove the billboards. Just to be safe from people who don’t know how to drive.
Billboards are a separate issue – you may, or may not remember when Lady Bird Johnson had her campaign against trash/litter, and I believe billboards. Yes they are an eyesore – I wouldn’t mind seeing them all torn down. Chainsaws and wrenches would do the trick.
@predrag: Then they need to ban kids in the backseat too. How distracting is having a couple of toddlers yelling and screaming???
YOU are damn RIGHT also STEVE – advertising is a mess of distraction – specially those HOT HOT HOT ads – you know — the ones you WILL MISS when they pull them off the BILLBOARDS… well now — naked white nothing hmmmm still sexy i guess – 🙂
I believe vehicles could have a device programmed to kill/disarm texting devices and other dangerous thingies. Maybe even stupid drivers too.
By the way, while Siri is amazing, it isn’t truly “hands-free” yet. You still have to look at the screen at times to select an option, and taking your eyes off the road for even a few seconds is dangerous.
Then again, i’m one of the people that texts while on the road, yet i haven’t been in an accident. Maybe i’m just lucky. What do I know?
I appreciate your honesty, but for your own sake, don’t tempt fate. As a motorcycle rider, I see lots of people successfully sending off and reading their texts, all the while their autos move a bit towards my lane. Scares the hell out of me. As a school bus driver who spends much of my day on the road, I’ve seen too many terrible accidents to take driving for granted. I love tech, and i despise unnecessary laws. We should all just take it upon ourselves to make the roads safer for ourselves and our loved ones. Put the phone down and drive. Pull over somewhere safe if you have to.
The NTSB will only be satisfied when a driver must enter a sensory deprivation chamber when they sit behind the wheel. No sound, no talking, no singing, no humming, no listening, only eyes focused on the road.
That’s one way to cut down on driving and rush hour congestion. No one will ever drive again.
Hahahahaha you got a EXCELLENT point and funny too!!!!
There will be a prerequisite as well – eye tracking and scanning lessons to monitor the road… so if you do not look far enough up the road or do your shoulder checks properly YOU are DEDUCTED merit points on your driving FAIL to USE your eyes properly. – 6 point and lose of your license. OMG go figure.
I think we should ban:
Talking while driving a vehicle.
Eating while driving a vehicle.
Playing games like License Plates or Car identification with Kids while in the vehicle.
Smoking while driving a vehicle.
Listening to the radio, iPod or other musical device in your vehicle.
Having a Navigational device installed in your vehicle.
Passengers looking at a road map in your vehicle.
Having any type of video device attached or running in your vehicle.
Drinking any beverage while driving your vehicle.
Putting on Sunglasses while driving your vehicle.
Using the heater or air conditioner while driving your vehicle.
Adjusting your seat while driving your vehicle.
Adjusting your brake pedal while driving your vehicle.
Operating electric windows while driving your vehicle.
Leaning on the armrest while driving your vehicle.
Be sure to ban eating while driving in the US, especially french fries and chicken nuggets. Dipping them into sauce and dripping is distracting. Wait — so is holding a cup of soda with a straw impaling your nostril can cause swerving and swearing.
Some reading comprehension would do a lot of good for many people here. This has nothing at all to do with Siri. They are suggesting (appropriately or not) a ban of all phone usage, hands-free or not. I don’t think Siri offers any advantage over a standard Bluetooth setup in a car to make a hands free call. Both these would be banned based on the recommendation.
Read, people.
“Read, people.”
Next, you’re going to be asking them to think, too. Waaaay beyond the capabilities of most of the posters so far… 😆
Human nature is TO BE DISTRACTED. Before cell phones, it was the radio or the A-B-C game or talking to people in the back seat or daydreaming or eating or reading the paper. Having ZERO statistical information, I would daresay that I doubt there are greater number of accidents today than there would be if cell phones did not exist, because we would be alternatively distracted.
I do think that police should have the power of the law to stop someone who is driving erratically and dangerously regardless of the cause. Texting obviously results in dangerous driving. But on the whole, I would say that lighting a cigarette COULD be equally distracting… as could billboards. I do not believe that universal bans on anything is necessary, or warranted.
Actually, the NTSB does have statistics to show the rate has increased with the use of cellphones. And police already have the power to stop erratic drivers, they’re just severely outnumbered.
Too many people are posting “slippery slope” fallacies on MDN today.
Police don’t stop erratic driving. They hide by the side of the road with radar and hand out revenue generating tickets.
Wanna stop speeding? Put those that speed in jail. But we don’t want to stop speeders, we just want the revenue.
You obviously know someone who works for a police department.
I do too….sad, isn’t it?
I drive almost a thousand mile a week, and have been pulled over once in 35 years of driving for speeding. Since my record was spotless, and I had barely tipped over the limit for a few seconds and was not maintaining that speed, they let me off with a Municipal fine, which meant they got the money, but since it wasn’t a traffic ticket, the insurance company wasn’t involved.
I’m not downing the cops, just some of the systems they work for.
whiners, get real.
don’t hide behind the BS “i can multitask” argument. it’s been proven that people cannot multitask. humans rapidly switch between discrete tasks. unfortunately for numerous victims, that lack of attentiveness is far too often deadly. there is no excuse for this.
rule enforcement is are already too lenient on driving behavior. intelligent and flexible legal precident needs to be set ASAP. it will unclog urban roads that are currently filled with dangerous, slow, self-centered idiots.
as a secondary ticketable offense, enforcement should accelerate the effective banning of all handheld devices of any kind while driving – electronic, mechanical, pneumatic, hydraulic, everything. severe fines for reckless offenders can’t be served soon enough. food, lipstick, curling irons, etc all need to go. If your electronic gadget isn’t docked or stashed in closed bin or turned ‘off’ in an open bin, then you’re not paying attention to the road. get with the program or get off the road.
“ If your electronic gadget isn’t docked or stashed in closed bin or turned ‘off’ in an open bin, then you’re not paying attention to the road. get with the program or get off the road.”
So say goodbye to using a satnav device then.
And before you say anything at all, many, many cars do NOT come fitted with a little screen in the dash. I do, however, use my iPhone mounted in the bottom centre of my screen on long unfamiliar trips with CoPilot, and I find it so much less stressful knowing that major, and minor, road junctions are going to be flagged up vocally for me, with a visual cue a slight glance to the centre of the screen, which means my eyes are still on the road and verge. (UK driver).
Trying to do a long distance trip alone with a road atlas and a route scribbled on a Post-it was very frustrating. And dangerously distracting, too.
AND I would love to see people take more personal responsibility and less reliance on government to tell us how adults should behave. It is because people feel that it is someone else’s responsibility to pay should something go wrong, then the people that end up paying start to place restrictions on activities. If we want to be truly free, we have to also accept the responsibility for the results of our actions, and not expect them to be covered by anyone else!!
There’s a different aspect to consider: Uncle Sam isn’t protecting me from myself, he’s protecting me from the percentage of idiots who cause the accidents that affect me or that make my insurance rates go up. Rates are also based on geography, not just individual performance.
“There’s a different aspect to consider: Uncle Sam isn’t protecting me.”
FIFY
Our cars weigh too much. The problem with someone talking on their phone while driving is not the phone, it’s the enormous 4000 lb piece of metal that they are driving at speed.
We all have friends that have died in car accidents. In big cities there are horrible fatal accidents every day. It’s despicable that we can’t seem to do anything about preventing accidents. Fatalities may be down but accidents are not.
And no, I don’t think banning cell phones will do a damn thing about it. We need a wholesale change in road design, especially regarding intersections. We also need officers of the law that stop dangerous driving and not just cops that sit with a radar and hand out revenue generating tickets.
And Siri is awesome.
You are clealy missing the point that was made in the article and a few posters.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/19/blackberry-road-safety-uae
I gave up getting oral sex while driving.
Now they want me to give up phone sex?
WTF!
Don’t forget the GPS in your. Most are considered a portable electronic devices and as such would be banned along with the iPhone.
Traffic related fatalities have been falling since 1996. That is the exact year I started regularly talking on my cell phone while driving. So I say talking on a phone actually makes drivers safer. Furthermore last year we had the fewest traffic deaths since 1942. That means the texting while driving makes you a super safe driver!
hahahaha thats why you’re EVIL you monkey!!!
It’s important to note they recommend a ban on all electronics – that could include radio, cd, navigation, phone, etc – very wide reaching. Frankly, I have seen so many folks driving erratically that I would lean towards supporting the ban. I used to talk and text from time to time while driving – but no more. I only take urgent calls, and generally try to pull over when I can, or get off the phone very quickly. I wait until I arrive somewhere to reply to emails and text messages – I’m not curing cancer or working on sending astronauts to mars, folks can wait a few minutes.
Perhaps that is the problem – instant gratification – everyone wants immediate communication, anytime, anywhere – and the risks, dangers, etc are disregarded. We all suffer when folks have an accident – traffic delays, higher insurance rates, higher taxes (someone has to pay for fire, police, ambulance responders…), etc. Let’s work together, instead of getting fixated on me me me as it seems we have, and find a solution for the common good.
But see, cars are part of the instant gratification problem. They are terribly dangerous. Even if there was no such thing as a cell phone. And the worst part about cars is that they don’t even save us time. We spend hours every week sitting in cars to travel very short distances. I would love to be able to speed but I can’t even get to the speed limit in my city as the roads are always clogged.
Frankly I don’t see how these idiots keep crashing into each other’s cars, you can never get going more than 15 mph in the city… Usually because a couple of morons crashed their huge trucks (sorry, SUVs) into each other and we all have to slow down and gawk at them.
YUP – your are right STEVE.
‘I only take urgent calls, and generally try to pull over when I can, or get off the phone very quickly.’
You sir are the problem!
“I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”
What about playing music or using a GPS app like Tom Tom? It would be a good idea if it was only to include holding any handheld electronic device while driving.
They would have to ban cab drivers from having their dispatch radios on, or police communicating with their dispatchers. The list of problems with a universal ban may be endless. This can only apply to handheld electronic devices.
It’s only a matter of time before the phone will turn itself off when it realizing you are going faster than 20 mph.
Please Santa – make them stop.
Sorry — saying that Siri makes driving while using your iPhone safe is ridiculous. I’m a fanboi, but that statement is far beyond the realm of defensible.
Siri is a little front end to other apps and info — that require your attention to use / digest.
Siri is not liable if you kill someone. She won’t give a rats a$$.
Siri has plenty of beta problems, too.
Sometimes MDN just goes over the top, and this is one of them.
How can it be proved that a cell phone call or text message was involved? In a non-fatal accident (at least for the driver) it mould probably require a confession from someone (driver, passenger, other caller, etc.). Other than that the cellphone would have to survive the crash an have an unsent text message or a call termination at the time of the crash, if that can be accurately established. It’s not like giving a breathalyzer test or blood test.
Passing laws doesn’t necessarily stop the banned activity, if it did, the number of traffic deaths due to drunk driving would be much lower. Even harsh DUI laws (e.g., New Mexico) or police traffic checks haven’t worked.
This is another example of government trying to force people to conform their conduct against their will. It will not work. I live in Washington, DC which already bans all cellphone use, except for hands-free use. The ban is ignored. In fact, I routinely see cops using cell phones while driving around — a violation of the law and police department policy. The NTSB can try to ban this, but the ban will be ignored by the population at large. While they are banning all cell phone use, they may as well ban listening to the radio and talking to others in the vehicle — things that can be just as distracting as talking on a handsfree cell phone.
I disagree with MDN’s take on this one. Any conversation via cell phone while driving is extraordinarilly dangerous no matter if Siri initiates the call for you. I never use my phone while driving; I always pull off the road first. To do otherwise is irresponsible and shows utter disregard for the safety of others.
@Berrylium
I agree.
And of course, we have all have this experience, where someone does a bad turn, doesn’t see you in a lane, or doesn’t go at a stop light – often they are on the phone.
Just hope if they do ban, it applies to law enforcement, too. More often than not, I see the cops talking on their cell phones while driving.
So, the Fed announces it wants to ban cell phone use in vehicles on the same day the Fed also announces it’s just approved the use of iPads in the cockpit? The first pilot to crash a plane while playing Angry Birds probably is gonna’ ruin that too.
The problem will cellphones in cars is not that they’re occupying your hands but that they’re occupying your brain.
Here’s another vote in support of the ban. I run almost daily, and the vast majority of close encounters with cars occur with drivers yapping on their cell phones.
I’ve seen a disappointing number of people making the argument “why not ban everything else in the car? Why not ban passengers, food, radios, dashboards” and on and on. This is a terrible argument: it completely ignores every nuance of studies made to improve safety on the road. It’s the exact same as the argument against gay marriage, “if we let gay people marry, then why don’t we just let humans marry dogs?” Well, because a dog is not a gay person, just as a cell phone is not a passenger.
I agree that, to convince skeptics who can’t make proper abstractions of existing studies, the NTSB should do a specific study on driver safety while using Siri. I really don’t see how this is different from talking with a secretary on a hands-free set, though, which I believe has been shown to be no safer than using an actual cellphone. My naive impression is that cellphones cause danger not through the physical mechanism of taking up one of your hands, but through introducing a layer of abstraction, i.e. splitting the driver’s attention between a “real” world (the road) and a “virtual” world (the person or the AI behind the phone).
Cell phones distracting?… Apparently, so is picking up a pen! (with video)…
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/12/13/up-a-pole-miami-cop-ok/
Will this ban apply to all “equipment” in the police vehicles, also? Including the swivel mounted computers.
wow too many responses for me to have time to read lol, but what would make roads safest is if they just ban driving mabe that would be just as rash !!!
I also like to pick my nose and drive, I’ll be dammed if they try and take that away!!!
Nine years ago Car Talk guys had this idea for a bumper sticker:
“Would You Drive Better If I Crammed That Cell Phone Up Your Keister?”
I still wholeheartedly agree with their take.
But it’s okay for a police officer patrolling alone to drive and look up info on their computer located in the patrol car. They never have to take their eyes off the road for that right.
Doesn’t matter. Here in California, talk and text bans are routinely ignored. People just lower there phones to text, which is actually more dangerous. Nobody gives a crap about the ban except politicians scoring political points. I see people everyday talking on their phones with them right up to the ear and they don’t give a shit about big brother. It’s just human nature.
Issues that show how ill-conceived and poorly advised this proposed ban is:
(1) What portable electronic devices meet the exclusion “other than those designed to support the driving task”?
(2) What does “Ban the nonemergency use … for all drivers” mean. Does it include use in a vehicle that is not moving?
(3) What is the definition of “driver” – Does it include: police officers, cab drivers, emergency vehicle drivers, truck drivers?
(4) What is a “portable electronic device”? Does it include cell phones used for music or navigation, MP3 players for music, Bluetooth devices, CB radios?
(5) What about factory-installed phones and voice-activated devices (e.g., Ford Sync)? These are not “portable” electronic devices but they perform the same functions.
(6) How are such laws enforced? How does law enforcement prove that a portable electronic device has been illegally in use by a driver while driving?
(7) Do police have the right to stop a driver and is a driver required to hand over any “portable electronic device” for inspection?
(8) Do police have the right to arrest or detain a driver for illegal use of a portable electronic device if the driver states that he/she was not doing so?
(9) The recommendations to the CTIA will add significant cost to every “portable electronic device” regardless of where it is used.
(10) Experience indicates that any software-driven attempt to accomplish the requirements given to the CTIA will be overridden by hackers who will provide “jailbreaking” fixes on the internet.
Got a regular iPhone 4 and own a VW Golf GTI with Bluetooth that integrates perfectly with my iPhone (unlike Ford STYNK by Micro$oftopoly). Don’t even have to take it out of my pocket, so it’s not about the Nuance Technology (Siri Voice Recognition is licensed from Muance) you fanbois keep crediting to Apple.
As to the NTSB, the problem is TEXTING WHILE DRIVING. I have damn near been run over a number of times by morons texting in their cars.
I am a progressive/liberal but do NOT agree with the nanny state vision of big brother government. Let the cops bust the a-holes texting while driving and leave the hands free crowd alone.
Has anybody at MDN tried Siri? While better than others available Siri still is not stellar. Can’t connect, have to repeat over and over sometimes before Siri gets it right. The Siri fail sites will be as full as the autocorrect sites soon. With that said in most cases you could have searched google, dialed or typed your info quicker.
So agree.
Amazing excuses made for why it is OK to conduct an emotional divorce while driving right next to a cyclist on your side, or kids playing near the street, etc, etc. — phones are not cigarettes or sandwiches.. Phones have a homo sapien on the other end, who demands attention. Fellow passengers are different, they may demand attention, but as often as not they also help alert the driver to danger. An extra two pair of eyes watching the road.
I’ve had to stop riding my bike to work due to the steady increase in sloppy, inattentive driving. I hope we follow Japan, most of Europe, and most of the developed world(!) in eliminating this one super-questionable practice we’ve been allowing. Playing games, checking email, texting to hottie@mynewfriend.com, farmville, whatever.
ONly if you are STUCK in traffic not moving, I could see a rationale for calling ahead to say I’m stuck it’s a parking lot. That’s about the only scenario I can understand.
Land of the free, the brave, the “free to bravely kill” and get off with a year’s probation?
Not in my book.
All these comments and only a few posters mentioned the obvious. It is already illegal to cause a crash, REGARDLESS OF WHY. Here in Atlanta, serious accidents are caused primarily by illegal high speed lane changes and alcohol impaired driving, neither of which relate to phone use.
Yes, some slow speed accidents can be blamed on texting but there are also accidents caused by slapping the kid in the back seat to get them to shut up or changing lanes without signaling (a favorite bad-driving habit of lots of Atlantans).
Put people in jail for causing a crash and put them in the pen with Bubba for life for killing someone. Advertise it far and wide that getting caught engaging in reckless driving will put you in the pokey and that would turn things around. Fine reckless drivers $10K for the first offense and $100K for the second plus the loss of driving privileges and you’ll see this behavior ending.
Furthermore, we should be mindful that CAFE standards imposed on auto makers are much more responsible for unnecessary deaths than texting ever has been or will be. Many, many studies have been done over the years showing that forcing crappy little lightweight cars on the public cause unnecessary fatalities (see http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA546CAFEStandards.html).
Lifting restrictions on auto mfgs, allowing them to build heavier cars and trucks would save thousands of lives per year. But while the nanny-staters will pursue idiotic phone bans that won’t save lives, they’ll force CAFE standards that is KNOWN to cause loss of life.
Typical.
There have been many times that talking on the phone has been the one and only thing that kept me awake on a long road trip. i’ve used hands-free phone for years, and out on the interstate, far away from big cities, the roads can become hypnotizingly monotonous. Even well-rested, the average person can and will fall asleep if subjected to an unchanging environment like that for hours at a time. Having the input of a phone conversation helped keep me AWAKE, which made me more aware of the road than I would have been had I been dozing. Indeed, I can point to one instance where I was talking on the phone to “keep awake” and, because I was sufficiently aware, I avoided an oncoming car that would have hit me had I been more lethargic.
I think that the eyes and hands distraction issue is more of a problem with hand-held phones, and texting is just idiotic. But my experience has taught me that hands-free phone conversations CAN BE a life-saver.