“The stories have started to emerge and now the battle has begun. After years of being off-limits to hackers, the Apple Macintosh is now subject to the same sort of abuse that the PC has endured and survived over the years: malware,” John C. Dvorak writes for PC Magazine.
MacDailyNews Take: This is not the first trojan for Mac, not by a long-shot, nor is it likely to be the last.
“Apple says it will send out some patches this week, but this just marks the beginning of a long battle. It will be ugly, as the platform is largely like the unprotected, the users are clueless, and there is zero resistance within the platform. The few Mac users who survive the barrage will probably be former PC users who are not so easily fooled by fake websites,” Dvorak writes. “That said, a bunch of websites are now injecting code into the Mac to infect it with new Trojans.”
MacDailyNews Take: This being not the first trojan for Mac, Dvorak’s theory that a “long battle is just beginning” has no basis in fact.
Mac users “been trained since birth not to deal with such issues by hand. It’s beneath them,” Dvorak writes. “I use AVG as my anti-virus/anti-Trojan product, and when I encounter a website trying to pull this sort of thing, I get an immediate error message and the site is blocked. Currently, the Mac has no such software that I know of, and the user has to hope that Google, some other search engine, or the browser itself has some protection. Good luck with that.”
MacDailyNews Take: This trojan was identified by Intego, a company specializing in Internet security and privacy for Apple Macintosh since 1997. There are multiple AV software packages available for Mac OS X.
Dvorak writes, “PC users will be laughing out loud as this continues because this is just the beginning… While the PC users have literally endured decades of this sort of game playing, Mac users have rarely seen any of it. They have no idea what they are in for. This also makes you ask yourself exactly how well protected smartphones are against attacks like this? You can be sure that the iPhone and iPad are going to be next on the hit list.”
MacDailyNews Take: The only thing you can be sure of is that laughing at nothing is a clear sign of mental illness.
“That said, many in the PC world have warned Apple that its OS is not any more secure than a Windows OS,” Dvorak writes. “And because there is no security infrastructure with scads of anti-malware systems available, the systems are actually more vulnerable.”
MacDailyNews Take: Again, multiple AV software packages are available for Mac OS X and have been for years.
“So we’ll see how this situation plays out, but one thing is for certain: the happy-go-lucky Mac owners will end up grumbling about it the same way PC users have done over the years,” Dvorak writes. “And this ‘What? Me worry?’ attitude and smug smile will forever disappear. That’s the good news, as far as I’m concerned.”
Full article – Think Before You Click™ – here.
MacDailyNews Take: This is nothing more than a trojan. There has never been a Mac OS X virus. Dvorak’s attempt to use a Mac trojan to equate with hundreds of thousands of actual self-replicating viruses, worms, trojans, and other malware on the Windows PC platform is pathetic and likely due to fear of the fact that Mac has outgrown the PC market as whole for 20 consecutive quarters, or the last five years straight. When you work for an outfit calling itself “PC Magazine,” it’s understandable that the fear of becoming irrelevant would be quite strong. It’s sad that such fear produces garbage articles such as this.
What’s ironic is that Dvorak is calling Mac users ignorant while assuming his PC-using readers are ignorant enough to not understand the difference between a trojan and a virus, or think that Mac trojans are nothing new, or believe that Macs don’t have AV software available, or that a single Mac trojan equals the abject security debacle that is the Windows PC.
In closing, with smug smiles still firmly affixed to our faces, here’s our usual oft-repeated reminder for Mac users and anyone who’s trying to use any other platform: Do not download and authorize the installation of applications (Trojans) from untrusted sources. No OS can protect users from themselves (or we wouldn’t be able to install any software). Those who grant attackers access to their computers, should not be surprised to find their computers are compromised.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “kevin p.” for the heads up.]
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The wonder is that anyone actually pays Dvorak to write!
You really can’t take him too seriously, he’s just being the hit whore he is
… OK, he’s a butt-head and a hit-whore. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a very minor point hidden within his drivel.
A lot of Mac users will lose their smug smiles – if only briefly – when they discover they were not well-enough protected. When they discover the foolishness of ‘going commando’. Then they will revise their set-up so they are NOT running User Apps (like Safari) from Admin accounts, are NOT leaving auto-log-in set, are NOT opening ‘Safe’ files, and are NOT doing several other dangerous things.
Then the smug smiles will return to those faces.
Then the next round of malware will find the fence a bit higher.
Then hit whores will have to find another bit of silliness to help generate interest in their pathetic ‘blogs.
Well said but..but. If it didn’t have some merit MDN wouldn’t be so paranoid and vicious. As usual. Like little spoiled rich 10 year old kids. Go ahead MDN, take your ball and go home. Back in your mom’s basement. Dvorak is a nutcase.
I like how MDN love to hate Dvorak. MDN can’t post a Dvorak article without at least 2 pages of comments to follow.
I think it is hilarious how Mac enthusiasts let John get under their skin. You know he loves every minute of it. Ha ha ha.
MDN,
Don’t rise to this losers bait. This guy needs to be put out to pasture. I for one am not worried about any of this. Social engineering at it’s worst. Just make sure safe downloads is unchecked, have a password, and do not install anything that you did not intend to, and your fine. This is just FUD by the winblows losers. And may Dvorak be plagued by a thousand viruses!!!
Dumb shit will do as dumb shit do. You can’t help that – it’s human nature. You can’t help that Dvorak knows not what he’s talking about. To compare the frustration of a Windows user who has to reformat his drive to the Mac user who has to only trash the Trojan in the waste bin is quite beyond my ken.
Nope, just checked the mirror…. smug smile is still there!
Speaking of mirrors, I don’t know how Dickvorak can look at himself in the mirror. He’s not a journalist, just a click whore.
yep, my Smug smile just got bigger after reading this trash lol.
Good one.
Yep! His AVG software identified it and the 1000s of other viruses that day, and missed about 3,000 more. I am so glad to be over and done with that mess. Except when I have to help one of my friends get rid of some deeply embedded tick-like mess that has secured itself to their M$ garbage. Ooooh wait, we have a trojan… Wow, one?!? really. I got MacScan during some promotion which made it free, I don’t really worry much about whether my Mac is awake to run the scan at midnight on Wednesday or not. Ran it on my Macs a couple days ago… You got it: clean as a whistle. PC users are laughing all right…
It isn’t profitable for hackers to target the Mac OS. It probably never will be because the corporate world likes Windows because it is more permissions-driven from an administrator point of view. And so long as the Mac OS has less market share than any of the Windows OSes (let alone all of the combined), the vulnerabilities won’t be exposed. If the Mac OS was subjected to the same rigors the Windows OS is, Apple would be patching quite a bit.
The good thing is that the Mac OS will be the underdog for years to come, and won’t have to worry about viruses, trojans, and other unwanted execution as it just isn’t worth hacking.
Dvorak, I poop on you…
Dvorak, I fart in your general direction!
You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries
Those who are most likely to download a Trojan masquerading as an antivirus app are recent immigrants to Mac from the PC world. They are duped by the initial message that their machines have multiple virus infections that only the Trojan can remove. While there are naive Mac users, on the whole it is long term Mac users who are most likely to see the absurdity of the opening ploy alleging infection. Sorry John, wrong again.
Exactly right.
I have PeeCee owning friends who can’t believe I don’t have virus protection on my Mac. It fills them with horror and if they were recent switchers would be the exact targets of the Mac Defender attack.
Dvorak is a tool.
@mjrmd
I agree, the ones who will fall for this malware attacks will be recent Mac converts who were former PC users, not long-time Mac users.
I disagree. In that I was looking up stuff on Google and one of the links directed me to the Trojan. Which proceded to download and try to install. I then said no to the install and trashed the downloaded file then ran Macscan to be sure. No message box came up warning of possible virus’ and saying I should download anything. I think it was hoping not to be noticed. But thanks to being a long time user and being aware of this threat before it hit I am still smiling that it only took about two minutes out of my day.
Is this guy still alive?
and someone read’s his drivel?
As MDN pointed out, this guy has no brain.
I think MDN is being overly generous to Dvorak. I say instead of reading the article and leaving a comment, go directly to The PC mag website, email the editor and tell them you won’t read their articles because of the type of misinformation he espouses.
Dvorak’s best punishment… using a PC.
Some people probably like hell.
+1!
Dvorak must have gotten up on the wrong side of the World knowing he had a deadline. You can always count on John for some of the best link-bait.
There has never been an exploit of a Mac OS X computer without direct contact with the computer and the use of the user’s password.
There is no guard against operator stupidity. There is no guard against hacking contests that allow direct contact with the computer being hacked.
Smart users still have a malware free life.
Did I mention Dvorak is an idiot? I meant to.
agreed.
Hey Dvorak, how many virus/Malware have you cleaned from your Dell this week?
I’m still waiting to have to deal with my FIRST ever on my mac…
the mac defender BS doesn’t affect me, won’t affect me. and 99% of mac users won’t have to deal with it either.
the recent Windows to Mac users…. thats the target of the malware.
Dvorak does have some good points… MANY Mac users (present company excepted) were drawn to the Mac because they were clueless about computers. They wanted a computer to be an appliance and didn’t want to mess around with it.
In that sense, a larger percentage of Mac users ARE clueless when it comes to dealing with these kinds of threats and what to do when they hit.
I know PC users who have suffered through viral attacks and, by necessity, become much more savvy when it comes to the upkeep and installation of anti-trojan software.
Lots of Mac users, even fairly sophisticated ones… don’t have a clue and don’t think twice about allowing things to be installed on their computers.
Wrong. You must be speaking about yourself.
You don’t speak for me, or the millions of Mac users around the world. If you even knew a Mac user you wouldn’t even be throwing around words like clueless.
Mac users are keenly aware of the manner in which their machines operate and the idea a Mac user will accept the notion that their machine has suddenly become infested with viruses is ridiculous on its face.
Granted, there is a slight percentage of users who have fallen prey to these antics but your sense of problem is so far off base its laughable.
Obviously, you haven’t met my mother. I agree that many do know all about how the machines operate but many don’t. I still maintain Macs are much safer but there are many people that use macs, like my mother has for 20 years, that wouldn’t catch this. She’d likely ask me about it but she might install a trojan thinking it might help. So I think this could be a problem but I do think it’s significantly less of a problem then Dvorak states. Just because Mac users cover the spectrum.
Pc users are certainly not more computer savvy than Mac users. You will have ignorant users operating on either system. But Mac users will have stress free experiences and pc users will have to work around the glitches and many computer infections. Never had an issue in the 15 years of Mac usage and never used a virus protector on my macs either. 🙂
I’ve worked as a cross-platform, primarily Mac Specialist since the mid-nineties, and could never understand why one would willingly choose Windows over a Mac. Sheep-following ignorance was the only explanation. There are many idiots and much user error on both platforms, but like me, you learn most whenever there is a problem. Also- Dvorak is no lone voice- the Apple attacks and hysteria coming from ZNet is repugnant. Check it out.
That kind of applies to every computer user.
I know mac users who are very technical and smart. A few of my friends got a mac specifically because its UNIX. Kinda nice to have a modern GUI with commercial software and still have the option of pulling up a bash shell and getting dirty.
I know clueless users on both platforms honestly.
Dvorak is the same guy who just wrote, “Now today we have a series of articles asking to remove Ballmer from the top spot at Microsoft. And replace him with who? The fact is that Ballmer has been a great caretaker for the company and has only failed at getting the stock price to do much of anything.” I vote for Dvorak to be co-CEO of MS.
Hear, hear!
Should ball we pass away (heaven forbid) we at least have a replacement!
It was painful. I created a new Admin account, logged in and removed admin privileges from our user accounts. That will lead to a bit more inconvenience, but that’s about it. My wife and I already know not to authorize installation of something we didn’t explicitly intend to install.
Just did the same in our 4 Macs! Took 4 minutes
Did the same thing-
3 iMacs and 4 laptops
– created admin account
– logged in as the new admin account
– configured existiing “normal” account as a standard user
– restarted
– logged in as “normal user”
– made sure ‘Open safe files after downloading’ is unchecked
– Done. Took less than 5 minutes for each machine. Everything still works. Nothing to reinstall.
you could NEVER do this on a Windows machine without problems.
wiping smile … oops smile still there! option delete smile ,
notification
“could not delete smug smile smile still in use”
still smiling !!!!
I have an image of him dancing around a fire, devils horns glowing, just before he is totally consumed and whisked to a place down below. And to think that in the early days of computing he was actually pretty credible. Hoisted with his own petard, I suspect.
Wow, PC users laughing out loud. A low threat Trojan. When they have viruses that get in the core files and master boot record destroying the entire system. It’s kind of like the Kia owner laughing at the BMW owner for having a flat tire.
Also, PC users laughing doesn’t mean much—laughing is the only way they can deal with all the pain!
I use freeBSD at home. I laugh condescendingly at you all.
Enjoy your isolation.
hmmm…
yep, more iPad usage than Linux.
Bet you sit in your basement in your underwear.
He said FreeBSD, not Linux. As a Mac user you are aware of the difference yes?
freebsd used even LESS than linux.
i know BSD is unix, wasn’t sure freeBSD was a variation of unix, or linux.
beyond knowing what Linux is…. i do NOT follow the million variations of linux or unix.
More people walk in the world / ride bikes than drive cars. So what?
…yeah, but what kind of shoes and bikes are they using?
I was just pointing out the fallacy of the argument more usage equates to the better option. Anyhow, I’ve been using macs since System 6 when I was a kid and have had a computer with every mac OS since.
I’m just sick and tired of this “holier than thou art” mentality that mac users have adapted. Stop being schradenfreudes and taking pleasure in the misfortunes of others.
You mean like the misfortune Mr. Dvorak hopes to befall all Mac users… Remember who cast the 1st stone here.
it’s Schadenfreude
The Stockholm Syndrome is strong with this one. A predator knocking at your door is the same as years of harassment, abduction, property damage, full destruction of all you have, identity theft and loss of daily efficiency.
Yeah, the same thing in his mind.
The only people who are clueless and who will have smug smiles are the windhoes sheep. I will continue to use my apple products and feel confident, proud, and safe. I have always and will continue to feel safe. I will be more careful with what I download and “allow” to install.
That said, something that may be worth considering, and that is what about pirated software? Could someone put out desireable apps that are trojans infected, and prey on people who are trying to get purchased apps for free? A lot of people pirate software, and of the people who do, many could be ignorant on the dangers, if there are. If is so, I don’t blame any app maker for not feeling pity. Play with fire and get burnt. But I think there should be more education out there. This is just the beginning. Still, mac is superior to windhoes and i am eating my breakfast cereal, smiling smugly at how stupid and naive anti-mac people are feeling right now… they will soon be sent back to their caves of seclusion.
I like that MDN continues to take apart the clueless Dvorak, but I don’t know why you provide linkbacks. I refuse to. If what you’re doing is so blatantly designed to pull in eyeballs at the expense of logic, I’ll just cut and paste quotes and have people look up the article if they want to. There’s no reason to feed this POS or his POS publication.
OK, I will be the first one here to admit it. I consider myself very well versed in computers (PC & Mac) and I have fallen for this type of trojan at work on my PC. It was an easy mistake. I was busy with many windows open and had a dialog box pop up to the effect that something needed to be updated. It was well crafted and I just hit the button marked “close” or something to that effect, and BAM I got hit big time. I immediately cut the power to the computer but it was too late. At least I could go back to a restore point from the previous day and it was taken care of but it could have been worse. I think the best thing for the Mac community is to have something like this pop up every now and then just to keep us on our toes. I have Sophos FREE anti-virus on my macs, and I think this should be standard for everyone. Download it now!!! FREE! Free FREE!.
Dvorak is a tech douche bag. Conveniently leaving out relevant facts in the pursuit of sensationalism and web hits. Fact is the Mac OS is inherently less likely to sport malware, skyware and viruses. IT’S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF OS. Windows and Mac OS couldn’t be more different. Windows has gotten better but is still a veritable swiss cheese OS.
Trojans well, nothing protects any computer user from bring an idiot and basically clicking on a dangerous app and giving permission to execute. Windows problems go well beyond this particular problem. Apple haters, go FY. We don’t like you either. Macs users remain smug, AND secure. I’ve never had an issue since 1992 when I went Mac all the way. No PC user can say that. And that alone my friends is worth the price of Apple admission.
So, the only thing that makes Dvorak happy is if he can share his unhappiness. Poor man, we must pity him.
Kennethsson
Haha, I’m loving the big ass list of related articles xD
Remember these statements from Dvorak, you “clueless” users with “zero” resistance, and *never* give one single click to this tool. Dvorak is the spreads FUD for his own profit, and he has publicly admitted baiting Mac users to increase hits.
As MDN stated, this is a trojan (at least the first incarnation) that required user assistance to install. Do not feed the hackers – never install an application based on an unsolicited link or message.
Dvorak and others of his ilk always fail to adequately explain why the oft predicted flood of Mac malware has never materialized despite over a decade of Mac OS X and tens of millions of installed devices. The answer is that all malware is not created equal – hackers form botnets using viruses and worms and other self-propagating code to infect and exploit millions of computers for profit. The spam that you receive on a daily basis is not coming from Macs, it is coming from PCs, and that is because they have been historically open to those attacks. The best way to discourage Mac malware is to keep the Mac platform unprofitable for hackers.
I am not saying that Mac OS X is invulnerable – no OS can make that claim. But history shows that Mac OS X is very secure as long as you configure it properly (separate admin account is helpful, for instance) and avoid doing dumb things. According to Dvorak, only Windows or former Windows users are smart enough to avoid doing those dumb things. Prove the tool wrong!
Dvorak… You’re a douchebag.
Dvorak is an offensive little shitehawk and an utter disgrace to the journalism profession. He has an ego bigger than Graham’s Number and an intellect barely measurable on the Planck scale.
To employ a bit of Cockney rhyming slang, he’s a right little merchant banker!
=:~)
MDN, there has been an OS X virus in the past (at least one that I remember). Anyone remember all of the fuss over OSX.Leap.A back in 2006? It was a self-replicating virus (worm) that didn’t end up really doing any major damage. The best defense for Mac and PC users alike is some common sense (e.g., not supplying administrator passwords for untrusted/unknown/unrequested software installations). Although I must admit I run antivirus on my PCs; I have to open and execute many EXE files as part of my job.
Just looked it up… some call it a virus, others a trojan.
you had to OPEN and run the file to be infected.
http://guides.macrumors.com/OSX/Leap-A
actually, looks like ONLY Sophos was calling it a virus..
you did have to enter the admin password, just like malware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_%28computer_worm%29
at top they say Virus, bottom they label it Trojan.
and oh yeah, it can’t transmit anywhere outside local network…. yeah, there is that part.
click on the definition of Trojan horse.
“The software initially appears to perform a desirable function for the user prior to installation and/or execution, but (perhaps in addition to the expected function) steals information or harms the system.”
Exactly how the thing started.
Call it what you want, i’ll stick with Trojan.
Windows users call it a “Feature” 😉
He is off his meds again!
1. The idioit admits that Windows users have had a long and painful life.
2. Admits Mac users have had no such thing.
3. Gloats about how they have endured?!!!
4. Admits Apple is NOW a target! Wow, guest the Mac user is now big enough to draw attention. Doofus, admits Apple is huge!
5. Admits that PC users are moving over to Mac.
What an tool- could not provide better support for Mac sales.
His readers see this: Hey, Dovark said Apple had no such problems and PC users notice these tricks?! What, he said we had the best life and he is telling me that Mac users live in peace?
If Dovark says it is that much better on the Apple side, I am going to be so there…..
All I can say is “what a Dbag”..
How can they publish such dribble..?
I’ll keep my smug smile you relic from microcrap world . Keep using that MS junk. Stay where you belong..
yawn.
People are dumb and “you can’t fix stupid.”
The idiots who download and install this are the same idiots who sold all their stuff and spent all their money because of the rapture. I don’t feel bad for any of them either…
Dvorak… I was waiting to see how long it would take for this hit whore to strike. I guess he finished devouring his pizza long enough to write that piece of crap article.
None of this matters anyway. Even if trojans, or viruses for that matter, somehow found their way onto my Mac, the Mac is still a superior platform and I wouldn’t dump it for a PC. That’d be like selling a Porsche for a Ford Fiesta because the Porsche got a scratch.
Perhaps Mr. Dvorak doesn’t realize that a trojan is a self-inflicted wound, much as he has shot himself in the foot…again!
Let’s see. How many viruses affect Windows 7? Is it something around 85,000?
The Mac is not invulnerable. But using a UNIX system as your foundation DOES make it harder to crack…again, something that seems to have happened to Mr. Dvorak.
I remember someone (Steve Jack???) wrote an article that outlined very well why the Mac is superior to Windows when it comes to virus/malware/trojan protection and removal. Can someone provide me a link to that (or a different good article)? I’ve been asked a lot about this recently.
Mac user here. Just checked the mirror and I can confirm that not only am I handsome as always, but my smug smile is very much intact. Carry on gentlemen.
the irony that the ad posted on this page being for “mac antivirus” is not lost…
There’s a flaw in your smugness logic.
Those of us smug enough to believe our Macs are virus immune will not install fake protection against malware that IS malware. So we remain immune.
Why all the hate John, or are you just proving to everyone what a prick you are?
Good news? For whom? He must be stupid saying that making people’s lives miserable is good news.
I know this phrase has been used to describe Dvorak many times before, but it just fits so well. “Hit whore!”
PC users laughing at Mac users over malware is like a quadraplegic laughing at a guy with a sprained wrist…
Gee, I wish Dvorak’s parents weren’t so ‘anti-Trojan’, else this dipsh*t wouldn’t be here.
Even the security software companies who sell a humongous amount of anti-virus software to Windows users (and would love to do the same thing with Mac users) have stated clearly that MacDefender and its variants are NOT a Mac OS X vulnerability!
Here is a quote from Peter James, spokesperson for Intego:
“This is not a Mac OS X vulnerability, but social engineering, taking advantage of users who are unaware of what is happening”
If Dvorak refuses to believe the security experts on this, then it is futile to try to explain this to such an irrational person.
This brainless sack of meat’s argument is about as intelligent as the cement floor he was dropped on at birth. To say that all operating systems are equally as vulnerable simply because they are both operating systems is the same as saying that Ford has had massive amounts of failed fuel pumps, therefore Chevy’s fuel pumps are likely to fail…I mean, they’re both motorized vehicles with fuel pumps, right? (just an analogy, don’t get riled). Am I missing something?
That’s funny… So as Windows users are lying on the ground hemorrhaging blood from multiple stab wounds, they’re going to point and laugh when a Mac user gets a splinter.
good analogy.
“PC users will be laughing out loud…….
Dvorak’s comments for years have resembled the mumblings of an old has-been. He’s the Michael Moore of the computer world, irrelevant to today’s industry. Quoting him and giving his words bandwidth to grab hits makes your site very much like Dvorak.
To say that all operating systems are equally as vulnerable simply because they are both operating systems is the same as saying that Ford has had massive amounts of failed fuel pumps, therefore Chevy’s fuel pumps are likely to fail…I mean, they’re both motorized vehicles with fuel pumps, right? (just an analogy, don’t get riled). Am I missing something?
My biggest concern is that for someone who works in this industry Dvorak is hoping that this will get worse.
You would think that he could focus on decrying the idiots who create these Trojans rather than hoping to see large numbers of computers infected
Unlike MDN staff who gleefully laugh at the PC industry I for one would rather that neither PC’s or Macs get infected. These threats and spam are the scourge of the industry
Just his first paragraph shows Dvorak is the one who is clueless:
“same sort of abuse that the PC has endured and survived over the years”
Has he not heard that we are in the post-PC era? The PC did not survive.
No replies to the actual article…. just by looking at the title the first thought that came to my mind is that PC users are just f*#king sad!!!! Just because mac smashed that crappy “market” that is PC’s, casually now people are trying to create viruses for the mac OS which apparently is thought by people BETTER!!! So my final remark is, that PC people are just fuc*#*g sad…. so are these idiots that are trying to “ruin” the best OS!!! (mac :D)
Preamble and question:
I am using pretty old technology at the moment, G4 eMac. I have never had a problem with malware or viruses until recently.
A month or so ago I installed Bing and my troubles have begun. Is it possible that Bing, itself, is a trojan horse?
My question is how do I get Bing off my machine; I can’t seem to find any files to delete.
i still surf naked. Not literally, but the computer does not have any anti virus software running…No need. Just be smart about how you surf and what you download.
I think Dvorak’s trying to get into Molly Wood’s
pants. Molly from ‘Molly Rants’ on CNET and
Dvorak are of like minds in this matter. 🙂
The irony is in this particular case the smugness of Mac Users will protect them from loading the trojan to begin with.
a) what world is Dvorak living in where Mac users walk around bragging about this sh*t
b)Could JD sound any more bitter, sad and petty with this? What a poor baby.. he’s so wretchedly angry that Apple is successful… God… Buy some stock already and shut the F up.
Dvorak is obviously a douche!
“You can be sure that the iPhone and iPad are going to be next on the hit list.”
No, because they are closed, thus no trojan can get on your iPhone/iPad.
Enjoy your openness, Droidtards!
John Dvorak sure seems like an immature man to me. The only way I’ve found to deal with brats (adult or otherwise) is to not let them piss me off, and to ignore them.
It’s funny, Windows has so many Virii/Trojans/Spyware that for them to laugh at Apple is like someone in a Woodhouse that is lousy and eaten by Termites, dry rot and other nasty wood diseases, laughing a the homeowner who just got their first Woodpecker making small holes in their new shiny wooden building.
Until Windows has 0 malware, they shouldn’t be laughing. They should be screaming at Microsoft to close up all of the holes that pwn Windows every day of the week no matter what Windows version is running.
Testing new app.
MDN iPod app worked.
Dvorak is an idiot and always will be!
Regardless. John Dvorak, kiss my ass.
First, ALL antivirus software only detects stuff that was….previously detected, basically making it next to useless. Application whitelisting and sandboxing is the only real way to secure a system. Second, I own (and love) my new Mac, but I’ve used Windows for years without running antivirus and have caught nothing. Not once. @kingmel…OS X is HORRIBLY INSECURE. They ship it that way, and Apple is directly responsible for part of the problem. I’m not saying Windows isn’t also shipped that way, because it is. Hell, in OS X you can reset the admin/root with what…3 terminal commands? Seriously? WTF?
Since that’s the case, if you want to keep a platform from being profitable for the bad guys, don’t have any real market share to speak of. Don’t forget that Safari/Mac is traditionally the first to get cracked at Pwn2Own. Not so good. Apple needs to get their head out of the clouds and implement some basic security precautions Windows users have had for years BEFORE something happens…not after, like they are now. The problem with reactionary security is that the threat has already hit….and passed. A great place to start would be forcing people to use a user account from the start, rather then an Admin account. Let the users who know what they are doing (and need it) activate the admin account themselves later.
“ALL antivirus software only detects stuff that was….previously detected, basically making it next to useless.”
NO.
1) Most anti-malware (the correct term) includes heuristic analysis tools that detect potentially dangerous behavior inside your computer system. This stops many common malware behaviors.
2) The best anti-malware also include a reverse firewall that stops dead any malware bot behavior, be the bot new or old.
3) The vast majority of infections on Windows occur AFTER signatures for them have been installed into anti-malware apps. Therefore, anti-malware prevent personal infection as well as passing along infection to others.
“OS X is HORRIBLY INSECURE” is a LIE, making you a LIAR.
This is also a LIE: “I’ve used Windows for years without running antivirus and have caught nothing. Not once.”
… Because you never run your Windows box on the Internet. Right? Text book trolling. Nice try.
A deceitful comment: “Don’t forget that Safari/Mac is traditionally the first to get cracked at Pwn2Own.”
This is meaningless phrase demonstrates total ignorance of how the Pwn2Own even is held.
1) Cracks are researched for MONTHS in advance and brought by hackers to the event.
2) Macs are never cracked the first day because no LUSER Factor is allowed at the computer itself.
3) Macs are cracked on the second day because someone is allowed to point the target Mac’s web browser to a malware infected website.
4) The infections occur due to non-OS software. These include the mess we call ‘JavaScript’, Adobe PDFs, Adobe Flash, and Java. Not one of these cracks directly attacks Mac OS X. All of them depend upon security holes in non-Apple software.
I note that you really are severely TechTarded as well as an ANONYMOUS COWARD. I note you are not a member here at MDN and that you are using a BS name. You just another FUD mongering little troll.
I’ve been studying Mac security since 2005 and have been writing about it since 2007. Please pay a visit to my blog for factual information as well as laughter at anti-Apple security FUD:
Mac-Security Blog
Please note I’m not Mac bashing, but thinking windows is insecure without any actual knowledge of the technology behind operating systems (TashaG, looking at you). Here is a whitepaper about the actual problems associated with Mac OS X…and how we, the community who love Apple products, can fix them. http://www.macforensicslab.com/ProductsAndServices/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&products_id=174
Oh, you again, little troll.
The title of the POS article you link to gives away the show:
“Malware On Mac OS X – Viruses, Trojans, and Worms”
There are NO viruses or worms for Mac OS X. The paper is from 2008, making it out of date. The paper does not effectively discuss Mac malware. Instead if focuses on WINDOWS malware, including types, infection vectors and the malware rats who write the crap.
The article amounts to nothing more than yet-another piece of FUD as part of the FUD Fest against Apple security that has been going on since the fall of 2004. And darn, no “FLOOD” of Mac OS X malware has happened in all that time.
You’ll really enjoy reading my recent article:
Anti-Apple Security FUD
for the last SEVEN and a half years!
Here is the first paragraph:
“So what does computer security FUD actually signify? Insecurity on the part of those who perpetrate it.”
There’s a reason why there are ONLY Trojan horse malware for Mac OS X.
There’s a reason why Windows has over 150x MORE malware than Mac OS X on a per user basis.
WHACK! WHACK! WHACK!
Consider me slapping Dvorak in an attempt to wake him out of his TechTard coma.
Never mind. Hopeless case. 😆
You call me a troll, yet you fail to mention one thing….the very fact that you need to have this page “http://mac-security.blogspot.com/2011/05/rules-of-computing-keeping-your-mac.html” negates your point that Macs are secure….Macs CAN be secure if set up properly. And, stupid question, but how many people actually read your blog (no offense, but it’s a security blog, not a blog on whatever it is the kids read these days, manga or whatever). In fact, I’ve always respected you up till now for attempting to tell people that Macs aren’t secure out of the box, then you turn around and pull this. Granted, I hated Macs up until about….10 weeks ago or something, so it’s obvious I’ve still got a lot to learn. But you can hang out on your high horse and call everyone that disagrees with you a troll, that’s fine. And if I was, in fact, spreading FUD, then I sincerely and truly apologize.
Background: After xen0blade posted the above, he made friends and retracted his FUD remarks via a comment at my Mac-Security blog.
“… negates your point that Macs are secure….Macs CAN be secure if set up properly.”
Never have I ever said ‘Macs are secure’. I have no doubt that even a ‘hardened’ Mac OS X can be compromised if only by the LUSER Factor. All current Mac OS X malware rely upon some form of LUSER Factor, not upon flaws in the OS itself.
“how many people actually read your blog”
I don’t count the number of readers at I don’t care. But I can tell you that I have 5 RSS subscribers. I know of three specific readers, those being folks at Intego, SecureMac (aka MacScan) and ClamXav. All three have written to me and involved me in ongoing malware information. At the moment I am involved with a group of six of us who are keeping track of details regarding the MAC Defender Trojan horse series as well as the specifics of Apple’s update to their XProtect anti-malware built into Mac OS X. I will be posting an article about XProtect in the near future.
I do occasionally get feedback about the blog from random folks who found it while searching for related information.
IOW: My Mac-Security blog is there, in hopefully intermediate user level language, for anyone who may find it useful. But unexpectedly, I’ve ended up getting attention from professionals in the field, pointing out that the subject continues to be geek level and not generally of concern to average users.
“you can hang out on your high horse and call everyone that disagrees with you a troll, that’s fine…”
The only high horse I ever resort it is factual information and rational thought. Trolls deeply resent such things and of course disagree with them. I take great pleasure in turning the tables on trolls. I enjoy watching their misery mongering turned against them. If I have a flaw it might be this joyful practice. Nonetheless, I am very careful who I brand a troll and consistently back up my claims. It is one approach, not the only approach, to dealing with deceitful people, while providing everyone with useful information. 😎
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