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Windows users fall victim to huge ID theft ring, 50 banks in danger; Apple Mac users unaffected
Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 08:09 AM EDT

"Thousands of computer users have been caught out by a huge ID theft ring. Security firm Sunbelt Software said it stumbled across a US-based server storing megabytes of data stolen from compromised computers while researching spyware infections. The server held passwords for online accounts from 50 banks, Ebay and Paypal logins, hundreds of credit card numbers and reams of personal data. The FBI has reportedly now started investigating the ring of ID thieves," Mark Ward reports for BBC News.

"The bug that has stolen all the data is thought to be a variant of a family of trojans known as Dumaru or Nibu that exploit a vulnerability in Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser. The trojan, a malicious piece of code, automatically downloaded itself on computers when people visited sites harbouring the program. What made this bug so effective was its ability to grab text stored on the clipboard and by Internet Explorer, said Eric Sites, vice president of research and development at Sunbelt Software," Ward reports.

"Sunbelt believes the trojan has been circulating for about three weeks and in that time has probably infected thousands of victims. The vulnerability it exploits means that all a user has to do to fall victim is to visit the wrong site. 'Type in a web link and your machine is infected,' said Mr Sites. 'You do not have to click on anything, the website forces the installation.' Many victims may have no idea that they have been infected," Ward reports.

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: According to Symantec, the Dumaru worm affects Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, and Windows XP while the Nibu trojan affects Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, and Windows XP.

Macintosh users are unaffected.

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Aug 25, 05 - 09:35 am Comment from: mike

Bill will pay out of his own pocket for this.

Consider it a goodwill contribution.

Aug 25, 05 - 09:38 am Comment from: Just Checking

So, you bought your Windows PC, so you could save $50 instead of buying a Mac. Now, your bank account is empty. Sure, you'll probably be able to get your money back somehow. Still, hopefully, you'll wake up and realize that you get what you pay for - use your brain and buy yourself a Mac next time, okay, stupid? Life's too short to subject yourself to Microsoft's mediocrity.

Posted from a Mac with my bank account intact!

MDN MW = "poet" - I am and I didn't even know it.

Aug 25, 05 - 09:39 am Comment from: Follower

But now none of these Windows users has $499 anymore...

Aug 25, 05 - 09:48 am Comment from: Brad T

Follower...

Ohh what a cruel irony.

Still. as the Pet Detective would say...

"LaHoo..ZeHerrs"

Aug 25, 05 - 09:54 am Comment from: MikeR

When is someone with the resources going to take Microsoft to court in an attempt to get there lousy product recalled?

The horror!

Aug 25, 05 - 09:55 am Comment from: iPodder

but... but... Joe here keeps saying that it is very EASY for Windows users to protect themselves from all this and it is an exaggeration from Mac Zealots.

Shame on you BBC for spreading FUD on the most commonly used OS in the world. If so many use Windows it MUST be the best, right? Like MacDonald gourmet food, beetles, fly on crap. All the most common things in the world.

Aug 25, 05 - 09:55 am Comment from: Michael in New Hampshire

Posted from a Mac with my bank account intact.

Aug 25, 05 - 09:56 am Comment from: Harry

The linked BBC-site does not mention -Macs are not affected-; MDN how can you be so sure ? I received some very strange e-mails on my Safari running Mac ..

Aug 25, 05 - 09:58 am Comment from: Winfan

Oh, no. This is all too troublesome for me to think about. <buries head> I think I'll just stick with what I'm using and hope nothing like this happens to me.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:04 am Comment from: ron

What's the logic behind--"Macs are immune to this?" I hope it's true, but why?

Aug 25, 05 - 10:06 am Comment from: cedreca

To some computer users, the only way to get to them is by affecting their wallet. Maybe now some of them will see how much they have been fooled by trusting Micro$soft and their security weak products. With all the Billions of dollars lost by flaws in Windows and now thieves getting their credit info, maybe some of them will get it and they will switch.

The funny thing is that Windows users and Technology writers make fun of the Mac users, calling us fanatical followers. Who's more of a fanatical follower? The one that trust a system like Mac OS X, that don't have the same security threats? or The one's that follow Micro$oft and lose Billions in the process? Whos laughing now Billy boy?

Aug 25, 05 - 10:07 am Comment from: snowy2005

Harry, read MDNs take. Both the trogen and the worm affect Win and not Mac, ''According to Symantec''. And maybe you wouldn't get so many wacky e-mails if you wouldn't post you e-mail address freely like you just did.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:07 am Comment from: MacDude

Good, I hate those smug Win users anyway.

Like Pat Robertson says, "we just gotta take them out"

Make a virus and wipe all their hard drives, just do it!

Thank God for Pat Robertson. raspberry

http://www.bpninc.com/evideo/video_mac_hi.mov

Aug 25, 05 - 10:09 am Comment from: JadisOne

When is someone going to hold Microsoft accountable for their abomination of an operating system. I can understand flaws here and flaws there, but the SAME EXACT FLAWS THROUGH MULTIPLE GENERATIONS of an OS is INEXCUSABLE. I'm sorry, but hacking is a known threat of your product so design accordingly. When any other product have designs flaws, they are promptly recalled and ordered to fix it, so why not Microsoft. That company gets away with murder and the millions of people who choose to pay them anything for their shoddy products deserves what they get. Just imagine if Microsoft Windows was the only OS out there, we'd all be broke and the criminal hackers would have all the money.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:13 am Comment from: Dave Challender

It should be noted that Windows users who avoid IE e.g. FireFox, Opera etc. users are at vastly reduced risk as will not have sensitive information stored (though still a few other minor security issues) as will not have used IE to enter credit card details, passwords etc.
Non IE users could also be less at risk of infection depending on method used to inject the worm (i.e. if web site injection method used IE bug raeher than general windows bug as non IE users would not get infected in the first place).

So, might equally be written up in terms of avoid IE.

Most windows users could greatly enhance their security by using non MS browser, mail, office and webserver components as historically many exploits have used MS "add on" software as infection / propogation vectors.
This is why, when I have to use windows (e.g. at work) I try to ensure I use Thunderbird, OpenOffice, FireFox etc instead of the MS equivalent.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:22 am Comment from: Harry

cool smirk OK, snowy2005 I am a senior and enjoying my trouble free MAC .. somewhere in Europe .. How do i close my e-mail ?

Aug 25, 05 - 10:23 am Comment from: Joe in North Carolina

- Posted from a Mac with my bank account intact.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:27 am Comment from: Fred in New York City

-- Posted from a Mac with my bank account intact.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:28 am Comment from: Jamie Kelly

Posted from my G5 with my bank account intact (I got my account open in another tab).

Aug 25, 05 - 10:30 am Comment from: Paul in Massachusetts

--- Posted from a Mac with my bank account intact.

(evidently posts must be somewhat unique or they will be rejected)

Aug 25, 05 - 10:30 am Comment from: Bob

These morons deserve everything they get. Keep using Windows LOSERS.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:31 am Comment from: Keith in Texas

--- Posted from a Mac with my bank account intact.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:33 am Comment from: buddha_bob

how shall I put it:



Meh...

Aug 25, 05 - 10:35 am Comment from: Steve in California

Posted from a Mac with my bank account intact. 

Aug 25, 05 - 10:51 am Comment from: Winchester Biggins

Posted from a slide rule with my pocket full of nickels intact! (Except for the rusty ones)

Aug 25, 05 - 10:55 am Comment from: justified

This kind of activity is what will cause the internet to eventually become government regulated.

Aug 25, 05 - 10:58 am Comment from: Randy Z.

---Posted while eating a big mac with a side of fries.

P.S. did you catch the info from Intel that their new chips for notebooks will be available in the first half of 2006...That means the first Mactels probably won´t be available until June or later of 2006. No comment from Apple.
Is the date slipping already????

Aug 25, 05 - 10:59 am Comment from: Earnest

justified - it already is, you just don´t know it....
wink

Aug 25, 05 - 11:19 am Comment from: Re: Randy Z

I don't know, that seems to be within the time frame that Apple claimed at the WWDC. It's only wishful thinking at rumors sites that have pushed the date up to Macworld SF, or even more preposterous, Paris...

Aug 25, 05 - 11:28 am Comment from: dix99

Right now, Billy G is laughing all the way to the bank. Not because he know's how eager you're all gonna be with the new OS he has coming out and that'll fix all the problems(or not), but he's laughing at all the suckers who still want to keep spending their cash with his crappy products. Yes PC user's, he's laughing at you.

Aug 25, 05 - 11:45 am Comment from: phat

why would anyone steal the identity of a mac drone? they don't really have one... well not a unique one to speak of.

Aug 25, 05 - 11:55 am Comment from: DistantThunder

Pose ted frame amok wit may bonka counting tack.

Aug 25, 05 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Peter

- Posted from a Compaq with my bank account -- HEY! big surprise

Aug 25, 05 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Pale Rider

And this is why MDN keeps posting the info about Macs and viruses, to answer a poster on another news article. Because it truly matters.

Aug 25, 05 - 12:26 pm Comment from: Gregg Thurman

"has probably infected thousands of victims."

Just a guess, but megabytes of info is going to hold data on many, many thousands (millions?) of people.

Looking at the OSs affected, it would appear that the overwhelming majority are 3 to 10 years old. Certainly they are in the upgrade timeframe. Having had critical data stolen from their POS Wintel, how many are going to opt for a Mac as a cure for malware? My guess is that the number will be very high. 20% to 30% shouldn't be unrealistic.

After all, a Mac mini will out perform most of these older Wintels, and it can use existing monitors, keyboards etc.

Aug 25, 05 - 12:32 pm Comment from: justified

Earnest,

Did you have to have your comment approved by any authority in order to post?

If you're going to make such a grand statement, you might want to elaborate, and have facts to back it up.

Aug 25, 05 - 12:46 pm Comment from: Rainy Day

“This kind of activity is what will cause the internet to eventually become government regulated.”
LOL Yeah, like that’ll solve anything!

Aug 25, 05 - 12:53 pm Comment from: Rainy Day

“I don't know, that seems to be within the time frame that Apple claimed at the WWDC. It's only wishful thinking at rumors sites that have pushed the date up to Macworld SF, or even more preposterous, Paris...”

Paris won’t happen, but MWSF is likely (and within the timeframe claimed by SJ & Apple press releases). WWDC is the fallback position. Note that SJ said “by this time next year…” He wasn’t gonna promise MWSF, but i’m certain that was his target all along, just from what he said and the way he said it.

Aug 25, 05 - 01:43 pm Comment from: RDT

Mack from the Post Office with a mouth full of carpet tacks!

Aug 25, 05 - 03:27 pm Comment from: Mozfan

ron: Nothing gets installed on a Mac without the admin giving a password (at least in OS X). This is how Macs can be untouched by the virus, spyware and "trojan" content we read about. I have had websites in the past download things as soon as I click on them, but they are contained on mydesktop and sit there until I throw them in the trash. A website can send a download, the Mac will just ignore it, not auto (or force) install like Windows.

As for the timeframe on the MacIntels, I think Steve would rate the first chip off the line so he can show it off. Also, I don't think he would be averse to showing the first "production" MacIntel before it is widely available. smile

Just a feeling I have...

~M

Aug 25, 05 - 06:00 pm Comment from: Less is More

BG should go to jail for this. Instead, he got knighted. Go figure.

M/W: Good! As in there is a good.

Aug 25, 05 - 06:21 pm Comment from: xray

"Who's more of a fanatical follower?"

Good point. Fanaticism (no, lunacy!) is stubbornly staying with the same vendor when the customer's experience gets progressively worse every day. There HAS to be a breaking point eventually.

"Having had critical data stolen from their POS Wintel, how many are going to opt for a Mac as a cure for malware?"

I wonder how many victims have dumped the Internet altogether. Why deal with the headaches and take the risks? We can only imagine how much livelier (and better) the Net would be, if the other 90% of the computing population had real safety & security online.

Aug 25, 05 - 06:28 pm Comment from: birdseed

Now if only my details weren't repeatedly stolen from dodgey foreign countries after visiting there and used over the internet to buy useless and superfluous things from home decoration shops, racking up hundeds and hundreds of dollars debt and causing the bank to cancel and reissue a new numbered credit card three times recently. The retarded thing is, they will keep honouring the transactions, even though they know they are fraudulant.

However, happy to be using a Mac to do my online banking, I do feel safer, and rightly so!

Aug 25, 05 - 06:49 pm Comment from: Ampar

And insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Aug 25, 05 - 08:36 pm Comment from: MacMania

Kahn!!

Ah, I met: Bill!!

cheese

Aug 25, 05 - 08:38 pm Comment from: MacMania

That's "meant" not "met". My hand shook as I was cringing.

Aug 25, 05 - 09:36 pm Comment from: windward

Obi-Wan: Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?

Aug 25, 05 - 09:55 pm Comment from: Bobby

The windows world will come to a screetching halt one day.

Aug 25, 05 - 11:46 pm Comment from: MacDoctor

I have thanked God everyday since 1984 that I'm a Mac user. Today is no different.
Again I must say that I can't for the life of me understand why home users, business, and governments the world over put up time and again put up the mess called "Windows."
MacDude, cedreca, Just Checking, point well taken.
Even if Windows didn't have all those security problems, it would still suck.
I really mean it when I say that the glaring flaws in Windows is a grave national securtiy risk.

Aug 26, 05 - 12:29 am Comment from: ron

phat...why would anyone steal the identity of a mac drone? they don't really have one... well not a unique one to speak of.

Phat--ass

Aug 26, 05 - 01:47 am Comment from: Kerry

Anyone who wants my identity can have it. You can pay all my debts for me.

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