“Pegatron Technology has received orders for an iPhone based on CDMA from Apple with annual shipments expected to reach 10 million units,” Monica Chen and Willie Teng report for DigiTmes.
“The orders should start contributing to the Taiwan-based company’s revenues in August or September, according to sources from component makers,” Chen and Teng report.
Chen and Teng report, “Pegatron has declined to comment on the report.”
“Spun off from Asustek Computer’s manufacturing arm in 2008, Pegatron has continued to be hampered by the uncertainties regarding the group’s separation of own-brand and contract manufacturing businesses,” Chen and Teng report.
Full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Readers “Fred Mertz” and “Judge Bork” for the heads up.]
Verizon on the Horizon
OK…I plead ignorance on this… Anyone know the facts on the following question?
Does AT&T;HAVE any CDMA capability or are they ONLY GSM?
second question
If this report is true does this suggest that Verizon is about to get the iPhone?
US Cellular would be nice, PLEASE!!!
Verizon or Sprint or both?
So much for the numerous people claiming this would never happen. Of course, having said that, nothing is proven yet.
So, how are they going to get voice+data at the same time?
CDMA is Verizon. (ATT and Tmobile are GSM.) I’m not sure what Sprint is but I’m pretty sure it’s not CDMA.
CDMA runs on a lower frequency than GSM so each tower covers more area and can penetrate deeper into buildings. It’s part of the reason that Verizon’s coverage is better than ATT overall.
The drawback is that maximum speeds are lower, although I don’t think most consumers will care about that.
If the rumor is true, it could only mean that the iPhone is coming to Verizon. I don’t think Sprint even has 10 million customers left. =P
@PR – no ATT does not have any CDMA capabilty. CDMA is a Qualcomm technology and competes with GSM which ATT uses.
(man that’s some serious abbreviation work)
All this does is get people’s hopes up. Everyone know it’s Verizon spreading these rumors to stop the hemoraging of defectors for the iPhone. It’s for the people who are ready to jump ship to get the iPhone that are not willing to deal with “just ok” phones, its for them to hold on a little longer. Apple will never comment on this why even ask them about future products, you know the answer. All these companies want to be associated with Apple somehow, even in a rumor, because it raises their stock and brings publicity. this just last year again leading to WWDC and the year before.
All i’m saying is don’t get your hopes up. Don’t get mad at Apple for not providing Verizon an iPhone they tried that, didn’t work. Apple isn’t your normal company that just thinks about pure profits, the have a different outlook on how to make money. It’s not always about hitting every freaking market. I don’t think Apple would send a whole to team to work with AT&T;to better the network and the iPhone experience.
I just noticed the accompanying picture. Is that the mom from Married With Children? What the heck is that supposed to mean
Hell to the Yes!
Remember the big Pentagon RFP for CDMA phones which was reportedly won by Apple. That plus Verizon might be a big win for Apple.
The “mom” from married with children is named Peg. The company making the iphones is “peg” atron, hence the Peg’s head on a transformers body. Quite clever actually.
My booboo it was ‘Pegatron’ in the news not ‘Pentagon’. Wishful thinking I guess.
@Edster
Her name was Peg on the show. The body is that of Megatron.
Pegatron, get it?
China Unicom is CDMA.
I guess that Apple feels the need to react to the inroads made by Android in the US, overblown as they may be at the moment the press take and customer perception is often as important as the reality. I suspect they would have preferred to wait till 4G was the standard but probably feel that would not be wise and have therefore decided to produce a stopgap phone for the CDMA crowd so that those buying Android rather than move to AT&T;can have a choice. Very sensible move if true to keep the momentum going.
So, stay with AT&T;and be able to do voice and data at ten same time or switch to verizon and not be able to do that…hmmm
If it is true, then the only possible client would be China Unicom – AT&T;is exclusive through at least 2012, and perhaps beyond.
Rumors come and rumors go. So far I have been right about “no iPhone on Verizon CDMA.” If that changes, then I will be wrong. If ignore my previous inaccuracy, then I would be blogger or pundit. If I deny my previous inaccuracy, attempt to explain it away, or simply change my stance by 180 degrees, then I would be a politician.
“So much for the numerous people claiming this would never happen.”
Yep, never is an awfully long time.
@Kevin J. Weise:
“So, how are they going to get voice+data at the same time?”
Verizon’s revolutionary ‘BOGO Plan’ should take care of that!
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I honestly can’t wait until Verizon gets the iPhone, and then has network issues so I can read all those sucking off Verizon then bitch about them and demand it be on Sprint.
@mc & @baracuda
Thanks, yes very clever indeed.
Since the 4G iPhone cover is blown, Steve’s new announcement is to set iPhone free…
ATT
Verizon
T-Mobile
Sprint
Ntelos
Celluar One
Apple’s tagline: “Droid, Baby Droid! iPhone Here, iPhone Now, Enjoy More!” (a take on Palin’s ‘Drill, Baby Drill! Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less!”
@KingMel
…and if, while continuing to propagate such inaccuracy, you insult my intelligence—then you would be Adobe.
Verizon is behind another rumor..
F-ers
They are made in China and that is where they’ll stay. Chinese use of CDMA is much greater than North America.
China Unicom it is.
Steve516 is right, ATT is most likely exclusive through 2012, so China Unicom is more than likely the only customer at this time.
Verizon in the US has announced their new 4G network is going to begin standing up next year (2011), and more widely available in 2012. ATT is also rolling out their 4G during that same time frame, both will be on similar technology.
My bet is that Verizon will get the iPhone in 2012, so it’s time for all of those Verizon customers to fish or cut bait – they’ve got two years to wait!!
Can leave verizon, the ATT coverage here is horrible. Wish apple would track iphone returns then force ATT to fix coverage in that area.
can’t
Verizon just released they are ahead of schedule for 25-30 cities this year for lte.
Sprint is CDMA
I kind of think this is wrong. I think really what it is is that the next batch of iPods will have CDMA modems in them, so you could use them on Verizon
These are going to China not the US.
Beware! Digitimes has a horribe track record when it comes to reporting honesty.
What if AT&T failed to live up to their part of the bargain by failing to deliver on select features and services? Does that give Apple wiggle-room to renegotiate the terms of their contract? I would think it would.
AT&T shamefully failed Apple publicly, in a big way and one would think that’s a clear violation of the terms of agreement btwn them. Surely they both had provisions in the contract that would address the shortcomings of either party. I know AT&T was taking a big risk on Apple’s pet project, knowing Verizon had already turned them down.
Would Apple sign off on a contract if there weren’t mutual deferments in place. Perhaps they renegotiated the original contract while discussing iPad?
Those of you thinking CDMA is passé and isn’t worth the time and trouble, it’ll probably be around for another ten-years, at least until Verizon et. al., make a complete transition to LTE. There will be those customers who aren’t inclined to upgrade to a smartphone.
Ten-million CDMA iPhones is a good start, however, the way I see it, there are at least 25 million potential customers using CDMA-2000 in the US, who are ready to buy an iPhone now. If these are for Asia and Europe and Canada, that’s not enough for a roll-out.
Why would a Verizon customer buy an iPhone knowing they can’t use voice and data simultaneously? They don’t care! They don’t have that ability now, so it’s not as if they’re giving up anything. They’ll be making up for it by flooding the App and iTunes Stores.
It is certainly something to consider, if you’re planning to dump AT&T for Verizon. You’ll just have to adjust and use the words, I’ll call you right back.
@G4Dualie
When the new iphone 4.0 software is out that allows multitasking.. maybe then it can put a call on hold while someone accesses data? Though not sure how it works if the cell completely drops out once data is trying to be accessed
You know, Pegatron could potentially become huge, provided they meticulously follow Apple’s NDA and quality standards. There are more than phones at stake here for Pegatron, there is a relationship with a juggernaut who will become the largest company in the world.
Asustek could rue the day they dumped Pegatron. The first clue will be when Pegatron’s stock surpasses Asustek’s.
When the hell will we be able to tether……
@ DAVID CHU
Sprint is CDMA
They’re for China. Verizon doesn’t let you surf and talk at the same time. You really think Steve would go for that?
And if these phones AREN’T for China, then where are those phones…? Someone else must be building millions more CDMA phones for Unicom….who?
I don’t think Sprint even has 10 million customers left.
Don’t forget that Sprint also owns Virgin Mobile USA, and Clear, the only high speed wireless internet (802.16e), in some cities now. It’s a good alternative to cable and DSL if one happens to be in a good reception area. Just wish they would pay more attention to the tech and less to marketing hype.
@jtc
Perhaps, but it would depend on Verizon. I suspect, certain regions of the country, initially, will be able to capitalize on the iPhone’s multitasking abilities as Verizon begins testing their LTE network. By then, Verizon will have monetized those features and added them to their data plans.
The iPhone will be at the top of Verizon’s food-chain and the data plans will be a premium, I’m sure. But, as iPhone’s momentum skyrockets on Verizon’s network, we should see dramatic changes in their marketing, including buying out existing contracts on AT&T.
With iPhone used as a bench-standard, consumers will be able to compare features and services between the major carriers and you can bet that will result in some very unique marketing strategies.
Apples to apples comparisons btwn the Android and iPhone platforms will be possible. I believe Verizon will use the Android as a means to up-sell consumers into an iPhone package, at least until the Android platform reaches parity with iPhone.
When Apple brings iPhone to US CDMA carriers, it will be a huge win for the consumer. Huge.
Buy AAPL now, and hang on to your hats!
Why are those of you who are attributing this order to China assuming that CDMA phones are going to China Unicom and not China Mobile? China Unicom has both GSM and WCDMA networks, true, but their market share is tiny relative to China Mobile. There have been a number of articles very recently from sources far more reliable than DigiTimes that Apple and China Mobile have had negotiations about a TD-SCDMA iPhone.
There is good reason to be skeptical about all of this stuff, particularly the claims about Verizon and Sprint, but if you believe any of it, the China Mobile rumor is the most plausible.
CDMA is a better cell tech overall – longer range & handles tower transfers more appropriately than GSM. with GSM, it just says here u go & passes the ball. when the new tower drops it, the old tower doesn’t care, it’s done with yr call. CDMA knows which towers are in the area b/c they basically talk to each other. if it notices u are going towards a certain tower, it esentially calls ahead to make sure it’s got the space & that it takes yr call w/o dropping it.
IF, and it’s a big if, verizon gets the iPhone then 10 million will sell in about 2 months. I still don’t thin it’ll happen though.
Can someone tell me what is the big deal with talk and surf? All these questions about it and saying Jobs cares about it. If in fact the rumor is true that they tried to go to verizon first, which sounds very concrete, then why would they care?
You can’t forget Apple is like many other companies… Wanting a lot of $$$ in the bank.
@C1
You really think Steve would go for that?
Yes, I do. It’s not his problem, it’s Verizon’s.
I believe SJ would deliver a top-drawer product to a carrier knowing their customers can’t take advantage of all of its features and benefits. He’d actually be doing everyone a solid by doing so; the carrier will either bring parity to the platform or compensate the consumer accordingly, or not.
We know AT&T will launch an immediate campaign criticizing Verizon’s network shortcomings. Couple that with internal feedback from their own customers and they’ll have to act, or not.
If they can’t create a workaround with Apple’s help, then they’ll have to provide additional benefits and services as compensation, or not.
It’s really up to Verizon to bring their level of service up to the potential of the iPhone.
if, verizon gets the iPhone then 10 million will sell in about 2 months. I still don’t thin it’ll happen though.
10-million phones sold in two-months?
Who in their right mind would manufacture 10-million phones for a technology that has a life span of less than a couple of years? Especially if all they’ll make is five-billion dollars in sixty-days?
What a complete waste of time and resources for a measly 3.5 million dollars every hour of each day! That’s just crazy talk!
Not saying these aren’t for verizon (a smart move for apple to slow down android) but perhaps they aren’t even for a U.S. carrier.
@Wayne
You could be right.
However, I don’t think Apple is threatened by Android no more than Mike Tyson is threatened by Cameron Diaz.
If Digitimes is right though, Apple stands to gain tens-of-billions of dollars in the next few years from not only phone sales, but collateral sales as well, from its halo effect.
Millions of new customers spending money in Apple’s stores during the 2010 holiday season will probably rocket Apple’s market value right past Microsoft.
Peggy Bundy’s head on a transformer? I like to think I’m as hip as the next guy, but I don’t get the reference…
This explains why ATT is moving up renewal dates for iPhone users, especially since the next iPhone seems to be a significant upgrade. Gotta keep those who would jump to Verizon.
Yawn…….seriously, this has been a rumor since 2007. I’ll believe it the day they make the announcement.
@Now, Now…
Apple’s tagline: “Droid, Baby Droid! iPhone Here, iPhone Now, Enjoy More!” (a take on Palin’s ‘Drill, Baby Drill! Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less!”
That was painful to read/understand. Next time, do try so hard.
Android is already stumbling over itself. Apple is very patient and smart not to worry about what the others are doing, but executing what they have planned to the best.
Android is killing itself with the whole microsoft thinking. One software not easily updated to each handset, Multiple handset makers with multiple maker UI designs, one big headache and upset customers.
App devs will determine the fate of both apple and google mobile handsets. The place where developers make more money will determine which OS will win out, cuz I know I would be pissed if the facebook app on iPhone is a millions times better and more frequently updated than one on android.
Verizon lost out for quite some time. They didn’t learn from the last time Steve offered a product. All they had to do was make him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Verizon was never going to get the iPad. it’s cheaper to order one set of antennas than different ones.
and Apple hasn’t been in bed with AT&T;learning about the networks in and outs to jump the GSM(world wide STANDARD[apple has a thing for that]) ship.
@ G4Dualie
You’re probably right, and in a perfect world it MIGHT cause Verizon to upgrade their network… But the fact remains that Apple confirmed the 5 year exclusivity deal just the other day. I’d love to see Verizon get the iPhone just so ATT complainers could STFU and get one.
I live in the UK where o2 had exclusivity for a while but now you can get the iPhone on almost every network. I’m sorry, but ever since Apple ran the ‘on hold’ ad for the iPhone, it’s obvious there will never be a CDMA iPhone. Apple, rightly or wrongly, chose only GSM, if not you would have got your CDMA iPhone by now. I’m sure Verizon customers will get the 4G iPhone.
now now-
No No!
Was not Cheng and Teng the names of the original Siamese Twins? I ask this because these two seem to want to give readers a double dose of Reality Check!
@PR
In the US, Sprint and Verizon use CDMA2000. ATT
@PR
In the US, Verizon and Sprint use CDMA2000, ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (TDMA) for 2G, and UMTS (W-CDMA) for 3G. W-CDMA (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access) is a more advanced technology than the older CDMA2000. In fact, it’s the foundation of LTE, the “4G” technology that Verizon and ATT are moving two over the next few years.
As for frequency use, both Verizon and ATT use both 850 MHz (aka “cellular”) and 1900 MHz (aka “PCS”) bands. There is no frequency advantage for either carrier in the 2G and 3G worlds. For LTE, they’ve both purchased 700 MHz spectrum licenses.
In general, lower frequencies penetrate structures better, and provde longer range, but tend to draw more power from handset batteries. It’s s trade off.
Being able to talk and surf the internet at the same time is NOT a product of Apple’s iPhone. It is that of the technology AT&T;employs (GSM.) Verizon and Sprint will not be able to do this until their 4G networks are launched (LTE for Verizon and WiMax for Sprint.) Sprint just recently demoed their HTC EVO 4G phone in New York,coming out June 4, and showed it being able to talk and surf at the same time. Pretty cool but I know that would never stop me from buying iPhone (only price and availability would do that.)
I do not know Steve Jobs but I can speculate that he really doesn’t care about the talk and surfing issue for two reasons:
1) He asked Verizon first
2) He didn’t specifically build the feature into the phone and use it as a selling point. AT&T;did that.
My money is on the Chinese. They are MOST likely the ones getting the benefit of these CDMA phones that are being produced. If the exclusivity contract is in effect until 2012 for AT&T;then the only way you will see a CDMA iPhone come to Verizon and/or Sprint is if they haven’t fully deployed their 4G service (more likely on Verizon at this time then Sprint as Sprint has a slight head start in deploying it’s 4G network.)
My problem with Sprint is that they are going with WiMax and everyone else seems to be going with LTE. This could hinder the possibility of the iPhone ever coming to Sprint. It would be up to Apple to develop a second iPhone to work on a standard that may not be as widely adopted as LTE.
Of course as with all companies, Apple included, they are going to do whatever makes sense to their bottom line.
(This was so much easier to type on my Vista Laptop than my iPad even though both cost the same. Oh and no crashes either!)
Couple of CORRECTIONS from the posts on here….
China Unicom is NOT CDMA2000. China Telecom is! China Mobile is the largest w/ GSM & homegrown TD-SCDMA.
Talk & surf is NOT that big a deal folks! You CANNOT talk & surf simultaneously on the old, creaky GSM/EDGE network, only on AT&T;’s W-CDMA (aka UMTS) network. Considering how miniscule the ATT WCDMA network is, as cleverly depicted in ads by Verizon, it means that you can’t perform this function on the MAJORITY of the ATT network either! So, WHO CARES? I’d rather have wide area 3G COVERAGE than a questionable feature…
CDMA is NOT an old technology! CDMA is the basis for ALL 3G technologies (CDMA2000/UMTS/LTE)
If there is a creaky, old technology that is completely out of gas, it is GSM/EDGE! It’s so old that it’s based on TDMA!
There are CDMA2000 carriers in USA, Japan, China, India, Russia, Indonesia, etc.
Oh, and I forgot one more thing… Many of these carriers are planning on upgrading to CDMA2000 EV/DO Rev B!
Are Verizon and Sprint rolling out CDMA EV/DO Rev B?