“The recent joint interview with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates at D5 highlighted for me what makes Apple a great company, and why Microsoft continues to struggle on all fronts except Windows and Office,” Danny Gorog writes for APC Magazine.
“Both leaders are visionaries, that is for sure. In fact Gates built the first software company when nobody knew what a software company was, and subsequently conquered the market. His approach to selling DOS and then Windows to anybody that would buy it made sense in the early days. But he was lucky as well. Lucky that Apple didn’t pursue the same ‘license the OS’ strategy, because if it had there’s no doubt that Apple would have a larger share of the PC market than the 5% it now enjoys,” Gorog writes.
“But like Steve said at D5, the era of the PC is largely over. Most innovation now is happening on what he calls post-PC devices, like music players and mobile phones. And that is what Apple is focusing on,” Gorog writes. “Microsoft, however, still doesn’t get it and I believe the lack of understanding comes from the top. Gates still maintains that tablet PCs are going to take over the world, that Microsoft will eventually dethrone Google to be the new leader in search, that Zune will eventually rival the iPod for market share and that Microsoft has already conquered the smart phone market. Somebody please tell the man he is dreaming.”
Full article here.
Ballmer is far more delusional than Gates.
Apple is beating Microsoft because the latter lacks one thing.
INNOVATION!
“Somebody please tell the man he is dreaming.”
I suggest we let him sleep.
It’s a dream for Apple … It’s gonna be a nightmare for Bill Gates!
Yes, Ballmer is more delusional than Gates. Let’s hope he stays at MS for at least another five years.
He should stop trying to take over companies doing great things, and step back to what got them there in the first place. Work on your own OS so it is not crap and make office better. Stick to your bread and butter. Not this, wow Google is making billions, lets step in and see if we can beat them. iPod is the best and most popular music player, I got an idea lets see if we can steal away customers. Cause customers want to buy another MP3 player, and convert there songs from iTunes. Look Gates, the same reason people are stuck with windows and office is because they have all the software and things they use. So, Google and apple are going to just go aways cause you put out a similar product, which in awful in comparison.
He HAS to pretend to–that’s his job. Give the man a break.
The Zune has a lot going for it–the sharing ability to walk up to anybody and let them listen to a song without them having to plug their headphones into your player (which is just annoying to have to do). But that alone is not enough to best the iPod, because a lot of the time you go out into the world and don’t see very many Zunes to share with. That will change!
The Zune won’t really sell well until there are a ton of them out there. But once that happens, sales will skyrocket.
Meanwhile, let Gates and Ballmer give their pep talks. Steve Jobs does the same when he claims the iPhone will take off.
Well Steve is cool
Bill likes Steve in fact I think He is was a homo and Liked Steve,
It his life thing;
MS are a bunch of Inbreds Supported by a much of game playing PC nerds,
Bill is gay liked Steve
Hey Billy Boy, we’re supposed to tell you you’re dreaming! Wake up or it’ll all be over before you know it!
Why tell him? Let the bloated copy machine fail…I look forward to seeing how they’ll buy their way outta this mess.
There are none so insular as those who will not listen.
When I use my iPhone, I sense the future of computing. The “guts” on the web, the balance minimally in my hand.
Bill gates is a homo wanted to be Steve Boy friend
So He wanted gay picture of Steve
MS is such shit
homo games
Haha PC people your idol wanted to bum Steve Jobs,,,
haha funny
@ No He Doesn’t Believe
You mentioned that the Zune won’t sell well until there are a ton out there, but don’t they have to sell well before there can be a ton out there. Kind of circular reasoning, don’t you think?
Not only has Steve Jobs claimed that the iPhone will take off…
It actually *has* taken off.
“…and why Microsoft continues to struggle on all fronts except Windows and Office,” Danny Gorog writes for APC Magazine.
Those are two pretty big and significant exceptions! That’s kind of like saying that Toyota struggles on all fronts except for selling cars. It’s no secret that Windows and Office make up the vast majority of Microsoft’s revenue.
“Most innovation now is happening on what he calls post-PC devices, like music players and mobile phones. And that is what Apple is focusing on”
How convenient for Apple! They are in better position than anyone to succeed! Am I to suppose that PCs are going to remain about the same for years to come? Is innovation slowing in the PC area? For me, I don’t care how innovative an iPod or iPhone is, if I can’t edit my Word documents, it’s useless without a PC!
I applaud Apple for recognizing a new market (non-PC devices) and capturing it. The iPod has been one of the most successful devices in a long time, and the iPhone looks to have similar effects. But I’m not going to watch Stevie-boy claim that the future is in non-PCs just because his PCs aren’t selling as well as he’d like. I believe he’s HOPING that the future is in non-PC devices, but we’ll just have to see.
Clean up on aisle 12, clean up on aisle 12. Thank you.
@No he doesn’t believe any of that
“The Zune won’t really sell well until there are a ton of them out there. But once that happens, sales will skyrocket.”
Oh really. Well, there won’t be a ton of them out there until they really sell well.
I commute everyday to work via public transportation in one of the most densely populated areas in the US. I have yet to spot even one Zune.
You either (1) work for the Microsoft or (2) are mentally disabled. .
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hey Jord:
what ecver:
Words lol is crap, sorry also there are allot of alternatives now,
Gee man all it does it type woooo.
what does windows do??? I will tell you
Word Office
Database
Which are now SQl anyway so
alll Pro apps are Novel , Linux, Sun, windows will be around
Missed your meds again, mate.
Better get back on track in time for that parole hearing.
GOROG SMASH!!!
for a while
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Start /shutdown ??????
Word fuc is junk
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um Accounting systems, OK,
im thats about it
servers are OK,
Man windows Dude get alife
can you please open system folder and tell me you think this is cool
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:>>@
Better get back on track in time for that parole hearing.
fuck Off. put your name down
Bill Gate’s vision of the future is totally flawed.
After seeing the video podcast of that interview my final impressions of BG was that he is totally out of touch with what works in the modern world.
BG was, and still is a ‘one trick pony’. He isnt a visionary by a long shot. Wheras the impression I got from SJ was that he is right on the cutting edge pulse of what is gonna happen.
This is the big difference between the two companies to me and the reason why Apple is winning against Microsoft on all fronts now.
The consumer market is constantly changing (unlike the corporate market), people desire new trends and products continually and Apple have been 1st class on getting this exactly right, wheras Microsoft on the other hand just cannot see it at all because they are totally out of touch with consumers.
Consumers are not idiots these days, gone are the days of trying to fool people into buying an inferior product. Quality ALWAYS wind customers – not inferior products.
anthony,
I bet some of Apple’s customers are gay. That may come as a shock to you but hey, that’s business. If you want to talk all things mac that’s cool. And there’s a million and one ways to describe Gates and Uncle Fester without insulting potential and actual Apple customers. Remember, Apple and all things Apple is a broad church and we accept everyone into that church, even you.
Wasnt Bill Gates also the person who stood up and told the world’s IT press that “there was no future in the internet”?
Just shows how wrong a person can be, especially someone who is supposed to be a ‘visionary’.
I suggest you change your glasses Mr Gates, maybe then you will see what is actually happening in the real world. And only then will you ever start to be a visionary…
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Mrsoft suxx
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i go jerc of noww
zzz……
“The Zune won’t really sell well until there are a ton of them out there. But once that happens, sales will skyrocket.”
Um, that’s kinda the catch 22 isn’t it? Until sales improve you won’t see many of them out there. And according to you, until you see them out there sales won’t improve.
The current score –
Zune – 1 million in 8 months
iPhone – 1 million in 6 days
-c
MW: ‘clearly’
The Pursuit of Excellence = Apple
The Pursuit of Money = M$
Now that people increasingly demand excellence, M$ finds itself a bit out of its league. It has to continue to strong-arm competitors. This won’t work much longer.
anthony,
On second thoughts, just piss off dude and take your puerile ravings somewhere else. Now I can go to bed in a good mood. I’ve kicked the village idiot and I feel soooo relaxed. Good night all.
I do not remember the exact quote, but it was something like this,
in the 80’s, Jobs told Gates that Macintosh was better than Windows, and Gates replied,” it doesn’t matter”
Well Mr. Gates, it matters now
dear anthony,
You suck, your “jokes” are not funny, and no one cares what you have to say. Go away.
yours truly,
me
Walter ,
Was not be that last comment,
O, OK see you.
mmm
see you, Walter
well mustard you suck to,
You go I was here first,
also mastard you can’t speak for everyone
“Both leaders are visionaries, that is for sure”…. NOT
One is a visionary and one is a CROOK!
What idiot wrote this idiotic nonsense.
‘No he doesn’t believe any of that’ gets it. Gets it by the truckload.
The Zune is set to take off and run laps around Apple’s iCrap. First you’ll see a few Zunes on the bus, then a few more, a few more, and BAM! everyone will be packing a Zune. In a few short years nobody will remember the iPod.
The end is near Apple lemmings. You can’t say ‘No he doesn’t believe any of that’ and I didn’t warn you.
The delusional assertion Microsoft is out of touch is high comedy.
Your potential. Our passion.
There is a reason spacmen drink your juice.
I see more and more people on THIS VERY SITE discussing Zune every day. Apple couldn’t buy that kind of mindshare for love or money.
Yours truly,
No he doesn’t believe any of that
OMG, “anthony”, please just shut up.
hotinplaya
perhaps you missed the point of the answer. Microsoft is interested in the power that comes with huge sums of money, not in the hype of coolness or the beauty of design. Neither of these matters to them. Money here is the game, lots of it and MS still rules in that regard and will for the foreseable future. You and I might choose easy of use and elegance, Bill chooses money and he is getting it
“But like Steve said at D5, the era of the PC is largely over. Most innovation now is happening on what he calls post-PC devices, like music players and mobile phones….”
Count me among the dubious that Steve literally meant the Personal Computer era is over.
Really…if past quotes about things like video on iPods, convergence, etc. are any indicatiors, he most likely means just the opposite.
Of course, since Steve was recently quoted as saying that the new Macs coming down the road are going to blow people away (or something to that effect), it’s possible he literally meant PCs… of the Windows variety.
Walter: Mr Walter that was not my comment by the way
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Mrsoft suxx
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But also don’t digg at me, I don’t mind people saying they are offended, And there’s a million and one ways to describe Gates and Uncle Fester without insulting potential and actual Apple customer’ OK agreed
OK.
“The Zune is set to take off and run laps around Apple’s iCrap. First you’ll see a few Zunes on the bus, then a few more, a few more, and BAM! everyone will be packing a Zune.”
Very funny…I have yet to see a Zune outside of a store shelf.
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Dorks
anthony, will you please quit posting on this forum until you learn English a little better?
You are doing nothing but cluttering the place with your incomprehensible drivel. I can read your posts three times over and still don’t know what you are trying to say.
anthony’s comments makes my head hurt
Reading this thread is like watching someone get a car stalled on the tracks with an oncoming train blaring away… painful to watch but you just can’t look away.
I see you’ve stopped posting your name with an email link.
That’s good.
Also, Mr. Mustard does speak for everyone.
This is an Apple site with a forum for comments about the stories Mac people like to read about.
I don’t want to sound spiteful or vindictive but posts full of blathering nonsense and spelling errors show everyone here that you’re under 20 years old, probably from NZ and not currently employed.
Keep to the subject matter at hand (in this case, Apple’s superiority over Micros**t), stop the childish ‘nah nah nah’ bickering and type messages in TextEdit first to check them before posting. People here don’t suffer fools gladly. You’re likely a really nice guy in person but here it doesn’t come off that way. Posters will react accordingly.
Peace
“The delusional assertion Microsoft is out of touch is high comedy”
zune tang, You are the highest form of comedy.
@ leo
“..it’s possible he literally meant PCs… of the Windows variety…”
uhhh … I dont think so…
I mean … for example … take “Cover-Flow” in Tigers iTunes …
Turns out .. it was so cool.. Apple added it to the Leopard Finder ..
Now, take the Touch-screen … Apple perfected it with the iPhone ..
If we were to speculate … imagine seeing it on the next gen iMacs !
Dont know about you… but that would certainly blow me away !
And Billy & Unka Fester will spend their time de-bugging Vista and trying to make that coffee table thingy work !
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I dont think I have ever seen anyone in the street using a Zune, let alone buying one ina store.
What do they look like again??
Microsoft: 95
Apple: 5
Microsoft wins! Windows Vista use already past PowerPC Macs sold for YEARS when Vista only has been selling for MONTHS!
Intel Mac use went down for the first time because they see the power of Windows Vista. Get it today!
Apple innovates, we all know that but in addition they’re also expanding cleverly. They’re moving into new markets in a way that smoothly progresses from what they’re already doing but that also serves to benefit they’re existing market. In addition they also ship. Stuff comes out pretty much when it’s supposed to. Sure there is the odd delay but that’s because they’re pushing the envelope so much but still retaining their overall quality.
Microsoft try and do everything for everyone regardless of how it fits in with what they already do. Search is big, they try and do that. Games are popular, Microsoft get in on that. They do all these things, none of which they do really well. The only Microsoft product I really loved was my trackball explorer which I recently dropped and broke and haven’t been able to replace with anything as good.
The thing about Microsoft is that it’s not innovative. It’s not even interesting. Who gets all jazzed when M$ comes out with something new? I mean, it’s always the same slice of frustration, although the colors may change. It’s guaranteed to be bloated, run slowly, need constant repairs, and require advanced mental contortion to make it work. Indeed, the bigger M$ gets, the less functional their products become. M$ is just a mess on wheels. Why would I want to get with something that made my life Harder, not easier?
“M$ is just a mess on wheels.”
But they’re innovative square shaped wheels.
“…struggling except for Windows and Office…”
You call that struggling? C’mon.
“…and BAM! everyone will be packing a Zune.”
Mmmm… Brown Packers.
Agreed. Gates misses the mark to be sure, but he’s not stupid. Ballmer on the other hand, seems to be in complete denial about everything.
BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING COOL ABOUT HAVING A MICROSOFT PRODUCT !!!!!
Jordan
Am I to suppose that PCs are going to remain about the same for years to come? Is innovation slowing in the PC area?
That would be some kind of point if it wasn’t painfully obvious that all innovation on PCs comes from Apple. Microsoft’s hegemony has set back the state of the art by 15 years by forcing archaic hardware and software methodologies on suppliers, coders and designers.
I think Zune Tang is one of those people who is paid by microsoft to go to blogs and keep the word Zune visible, otherwise, he is quite the robot nincompoop.
Why should anyone give Bill Gates a break? He’s a ruthless dweeb who made obscene amounts of money in an extremely unethical manner. As far as I’m concerned, he doesn’t deserve what he’s already got, much less the good wishes of the consumers he did his best to crush under Microsoft’s thumb.
Visionaries by definition have ideas, and know how to put them into practice. Gates was never a visionary, just someone who knew how to recognize someone else’s ideas, and lie, cheat and bully to make money off them.
His vision was always extremely narrow, but once the revitalised Apple and Google came along (and no doubt fore-armed by their knowledge of MS’s dirty tactics against companies like Netscape), the writing was on the wall for Gates.
The only thing left for him was to retire as gracefully as possible, and play the philanthropist with his ill-gotten loot.
When Steve Jobs at the D conference said words to the effect that Bill Gates built the first software company when nobody knew what a software company was, he was being generous! He had to be, because SJ knows full well that the person who REALLY built the first software company was Paul Allen. Paul was the one who “got it all” and did it all! I’d hate say BG was just his sidekick coder to begin with, because BG has proven himself to be much more than that! Microsoft as it is today, is definitely because of BG. Anyone capable of taking a look a Microsoft without the Reality Distortion Field of their Billions and Billions of Dollars worth, and their Windows and Office monopolies getting in the way (thats where the real RDF in the computing industry and for IT journalists exists), will see that it is not only a company that is going no where fast, they will see a company that its real founder (Paul Allen) cannot wash his hands off fast enough. A company that even its perceived founder (BG) does not seem to want to have as his final legacy. Check out the true and verified history if you are too young to remember!
@ No he doesn’t believe any of that
> The Zune has a lot going for it–the sharing ability to walk up to anybody and let them listen to a song without them having to plug their headphones into your player.
Are you kidding? That’s a terrible feature. I don’t want some “anybody” stranger nearby knowing what I listen to. And it’s irrelevant if no one within the Wi-Fi range has a Zune.
Apple’s iPhone Wi-Fi is actually useful. Very useful. If Microsoft had taken the time and effort to put Internet surfing and email on the Zune, even in a limited (“watered down”) way, that would have been something significant. The Zune may have had a chance. Instead, Microsoft made the Zune’s Wi-Fi into an essentially useless gimmick that just makes the device more expensive, larger, and power hungry.
“I don’t want some “anybody” stranger nearby knowing what I listen to.”
I have a feeling that there’s seldom anyone stranger near you.
I have a Zune. Many of my colleagues and friends have Zunes. Many of our customers have Zunes and used to have iPods. I have personally seen a large number of our customers move from the iPod to the Zune – they prefer the sales model and one fixed price for full access to the marketplace. They also like the larger screen on the Zune and the built in FM radio. I was kind of up in the air over the Zune – as I don’t like music at all, but do like to DL various tech related shows and thought it would be nice to have them on the road. I have to say, it’s a very nice device and the interface is actually easier to use than the iPod’s. Just my 2 cents.
I do assert that the iPhone will drive mobile device innovation, but caution people to be objective – a British firm, HTC, already had devices in the market that use an interface on Windows Mobile 6 that uses a multi-touch interface that is as nice, if not nicer than the iPhone’s. I would not be surprised if HTC goes after Apple in much the same way Creative went after them and won – some 100 million over interface copyright violations.
I think somebody forgets that Toyota pretty much only builds cars whereas Microsoft builds endless (some would say mindless) amounts of stuff yet only Windows and Office are particular successes and these were its first products. Little since has made much of a contribution and many like xbox and zune are money pits that couldn’t be sustained but for the money those two original products endlessly supply because of their virtual monopoly. That is why Microsoft is so paranoid it knows full well (despite the bravado) that any significant decline in those two products will pretty much put them in to inevitable and probably terminal decline as a dominant business. Thus the blunderbuss attempt to use them to buy other markets, markets that others have shown are successful and a fear of the risk in actual innovation. To be fair in large companies Jobs is practically unique in being able to consistantly pull that trick off.
Its gonna be more than Ballmer backdoorin Gates, the whole company will be ….. in 3-5 years
Was going to buy an Apple device, but changed my mind: don’t want to turn into an anthony, the typical Mac user…
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If I were Bill Gates I would cower in the shadows and then BAM!!! jump out like NINJA TIGER!!!! Waaahhhh-YAH!!!! Chop the iPhone in half with super ninja might! Wa-TAAAH!!!!!!! YAAA! Wax on! Wax off! Wooooooo-YAAA!!!!
Anyone mind if I comment on the original post? No? Good.
Apple treats customers as though we have a choice. With that in mind, Apple tries to find out what we want with a reasonable price point, and then trusts us. (Note the lack of any copy protection on ANY Apple software)
Microsoft treats us as though we are sheep coming in for feeding and shearing. With that in mind, they give us what they think we want and take as much as they can get for it, and even then are careful not to allow a customer to make a copy of anything without authorization.
The world is discovering Apple. Microsoft and many others are fighting back by augmenting their DRM, improving the security of their proprietary interfaces, and increasing prices. The very things driving customers away are getting worse.
Apple is working to open up a standards-based communications system that will benefit everyone, even those who do not buy Apple products.
Apple is going to win big. And it’s going to happen so fast it’ll scare the hell out of everyone.
lketchum
a British firm, HTC, already had devices in the market that use an interface on Windows Mobile 6 that uses a multi-touch interface that is as nice, if not nicer than the iPhone’s.
Maybe as a still shot side by side, but the reviews of the HTC tell the real story. A few touches and you are right back to the pointless and nearly non-functional desktop-on-a-2-inch-screen WinCE kludge.
The only chance HTC has is if they do try to sue the iPhone into submission. They have nothing else.
Rip Ragged
Apple is going to win big. And it’s going to happen so fast it’ll scare the hell out of everyone.
AOL
Besides America Online, what does AOL stand for?
Rip Ragged
Besides America Online, what does AOL stand for?
It’s related to the September That Never Ended and Usenet etiquette. A common pain in the ass habit new users to Usenet develop is when they quote an entire article in their reply merely to add “Me Too!” or “I Agree.”
So, AOL is some people’s shorthand for being in total agreement with another’s post.
The September That Never Ended
AOL!