“With the release of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard pushed back to October, Apple has bought itself more time to tie loose ends in the current Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger operating system and will put forth those fixes via its first ‘dot ten’ software update in quite some time, AppleInsider has learned,” Kasper Jade and Katie Marsal report for AppleInsider.
The Mac maker hopes to stabilize the software to the point where it can begin seeding copies of the software update externally to its thousands of Apple Developer Connection members as early as next week,” Jade and Marsal report. “Apple may also tap the impending Tiger update to lend software support to an upcoming series of Mac hardware updates that will include refreshed MacBook Pro notebooks and redesigned 20- and 24-inch iMac all-in-one desktop systems.”
“Apple last updated Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger in March, when it released Mac OS X 10.4.9 ,” Jade and Marsal report.
Full article here.
I’m all over a redesigned 24″ iMac! Assuming I like the design of course, which I’m sure I will.
this update can’t possibly have too much included in it, right?
or what or the chances transitional features will be introduced to prep compatibility w/ leopard?
A LOT MORE SECURITY FIXES TO COME
Apple should be ashamed of itself for the rather high level of potential exploits (70 something?) since this version debuted.
Yea sure little resulted in little malware, just because of the low market share and virtually no Mac’s in the more corrupt areas of the world.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
Dell spelled backwards is lleD
“Yea sure little resulted in little malware…”
Wrong. Try NONE resulted in any malware. Go back to the Dell forums with your other PC fanboyz…
Wow. That will be then Tiger The Double Ten
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ThecretlyYourth.
Fool.
@SecretlyYours
Troll somewhere else, Loser.
Thank God we won’t have to hear any more morons claiming that the next version of Tiger is going to be 10.4.9.1 or something idiotic like that. Software doesn’t use the decimal system, so 10.4.10 is correct…
HELLO!!!!
They have to update to support new iphone features. This update will be out before or with the release of the iphone.
@SecretlyStupid
LOL, what a troll. And you complain about Apple being pro-active about security?
That is 70 TIMES APPLE BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF FUCKING LOSER VIRUS WRITERS
Apple 70
Fucking Loser virus writers 0
When was the last “dot ten” update?
10.4.10 has a nice ring to it, as the last version of Tiger. The Leopard delay has benefited users of older systems that may not be supported by Leopard. This is one final release of Tiger that may not have been released if Leopard was already out there. Since it is likely all G3 systems will be left behind with Leopard, this release is welcome.
Grain. Of. Salt.
PS: 10.4.10 = 10.4.1
The addition of a zero after a number after a point is meaningless.
10.4.1
Already been done.
MW: seems (like a total fabrication from AppleOutsider)
M@C,
I don’t think there ever was one. This at least solves the debate of 10.4.10 vs. 10.4.9.1!
Yea sure little resulted in little malware, just because of the low market share and virtually no Mac’s in the more corrupt areas of the world.
How many times in this forum this myth has to be debunked, I wonder.
There are MORE than ENOUGH Mac OS X users to create virus and malware for the platform.
There are virus around for BeOS, OS/2, Debian, Linux and even for the 300 users or so in the world that had installed a special version of Linux twisted to fit in an iPod. THREE HUNDRED and it is probably even too big a figure.
There are virus and malware for OSes having 0.1 to 0.5 market share.
Mac OS X has over 6% market share (on Quarter sales, user base is >10% if one counts in statistics of internet browsing)
So, oh infinitely dumb, explain why an OS with 0.1% market share has malware for it and not an OS with over 6%, Mac OS X.
It’s because it is MORE difficult, stupid. Not because of the number of users.
If it can be done IT IS DONE ALREADY, even with 10 user base, just for the heck of it.
Could this message ever get through the fog of lobsters’ brain ever?
ken1w,
My prediction is that if your machine officially supported Tiger, then you will be able to install Leopard on it. So, some G3’s will be OK.
I really think they’ll just put out a Security Update or “10.4.9 Update 1” and not actually call this 10.4.10.
Um…. 10.4.1 != 10.4.10
If we were talking pure decimals, then yes. As soon as you add a second floating point to the number, it’s no longer a decimal number. DUH!
Tiger: This one goes to 11.
These noobs that think that software version numbers follow the normal decimal system make me laugh.
MDN: “life”, as in, get one!
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On topic, I am looking forward both to 10.4.10 and an updated iMac lineup. I have one of the first 20″ Core Duo iMacs, and I love it. Now looking to go to the 24″!
I hope they do something with the Aqua interface when Leopard comes out.
I know it’s nice and all…but it’s getting a little dated.
There are MORE than ENOUGH Mac OS X users to create virus and malware for the platform.
YES BUT, most all of the malware writers are in areas of the world where they either can’t get or can afford a Mac.
Remember the Mac OS comes with a pretty hefty hardware cost, unlike the billions of pirated versions of Windows.
Malware writers are doing so for profit, to get spam bots. Windows is the most in market share, so it’s targeted the most.
By the way there has been Mac OS X and Linux botnets, reguardless how they got in, they did. It’s the operating systems makers responsibility to make sure it’s OS is secure, NO MATTER WHAT PROGRAMS IT’S RUNNING.
Because 95% of exploits are in third party code and Apple fails miserably on this aspect of computer security.
Security has to come from the top down, not the bottom up.
If your running as admin and/or installed apps using your admin password, your a complete and utter fool.
Set up another admin user, log out and into that new admin user. Set the old admin user as a regular user.
It’s not good enought to protect against flaws in thrid party code that you installed using your admin password, but it should help keep your box more secure.
Don’t use software that demands admin passwords to install.
youre all talk squirly…
ur opinions mean nothing without facts
> YES BUT, most all of the malware writers are in areas of the world where they either can’t get or can afford a Mac.
Nonsense. Windows gets hacked because Windows is easy to hack. Even if you could hack into Mac OS X, the exploit would not result the type of access to the Mac that is worth the effort. With Windows, a hack gives you “ownership” of the computer and turns it into a ‘bot. Even if Mac OS X market share was equal to Windows market share, hackers would go after Windows. And there are plenty of hackers all over the world.
Grain. Of. Salt.
PS: 10.4.10 = 10.4.1
The addition of a zero after a number after a point is meaningless.
10.4.1
Already been done.
Actually, a second decimal point in a number is meaningless too. Because 10.4.10, 10.4.1, 10.3.8, 9.2.2 etc. are not actually numbers. They’re labels. The latest update could just as easily be “J.D.J” or “X.IV.X” or “blorg.snurgle.wheem”.
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Does this mean 1.4.100 = 1.5? Fuzzy metrics by Apple if this is true…
Nonsense. Windows gets hacked because Windows is easy to hack.
Funny, records show that Mac OS X has had more exploits recently than Windows.
Even if you could hack into Mac OS X, the exploit would not result the type of access to the Mac that is worth the effort.
Apparantly you haven’t been tracking how severe Mac OS X’s exploit potential has been.
With Windows, a hack gives you “ownership” of the computer and turns it into a ‘bot.
Ditto for Mac OS X, just takes a little longer depending on the exploit. For instance if I got only user, it would only be a matter of time before I got root.
Have to enter that admin password sometime right?
With a app exploit that has root level code, I’m in like flynn.
Even if Mac OS X market share was equal to Windows market share, hackers would go after Windows. And there are plenty of hackers all over the world.
If Mac OS X, in it’s present form, exactly switched places with Windows. Meaning if it was seperated from hardware and pirated all ove the world like Windows is, Mac OS X would be even more insecure than Windows is now.
Why?
Because Windows is now hardened and Mac OS X is not.
Mac OS X exploit potentials have been increasing while Windows has been decreasing.
Don’t take my word for it. See the truth for yourself.
http://blogs.technet.com/security/archive/2006/10/17/2006-january-through-september-vulnerability-trends.aspx
US and metrics?
Say: Aluminium!
OS X is a conscious delivery of well thought out code. The title should read: “Tiger Enhancements Continue…”
Evolution suggests this effort comes forth on its own and that cheapens our engineer’s work.
@ParkinsonMan
Number of vulnerabilities does not equal exploits….when will people of understand this.
You have to have an attack vector. Even if you had 1,000 vulnerabilities, but no attack vectors they are virtually useless.
Anyone who thinks that windows is secure, is smoking something thats out of this world.
With windows, there are attack vectors which are used to break into it. Its also closed source, so most of the really good hacks will not be published because the hackers want to keep them concealed and they cost big money on the underground market.
So there are many severe hacks that Microsoft is not aware of that hackers are using. They are not going to show up in a Vulnerability database.
OS X is much more difficult to exploit with malware because of its file system structure and other things in the OS.
However it is still susceptible to heap based buffer overflow attacks as is Win XP, Linux, and Vista.
This type of attack was used in the CanSec conference recently. Typically attackers use an application as the target for an buffer overflow attack, which thens gives them access to the system if it succeeds.
Its hard to make a fix for this at the OS level, but it can be done.
Apple, be the first to fix this!
Also, open source software such as OS X, should have more known vulnerabilities than closed source alternatives. This is the best point of Open Source. They get discovered quicker and more abundantly so they can be fixed.
With windows, who really knows what vulunerabilities are hiding in there(besides the hackers)?
“will put forth those fixes via its first ‘dot ten’ software update in quite some time”
Some time? There has never been a ‘dot ten’ update for OS X. I don’t thing there was one for classic either.
Not for 8 or 9 and 7.5 only went to dot 9.
Because Windows is now hardened and Mac OS X is not.
ROFLMAO
What an idiocy. Windows is full of legacy code, the same viral code affects multiple versions of Windows, security comes as well from design and Windows is not designed to be secure: it is open all over the place.
Mac OS X is as secure, if not more, than BSDUnix variants. It can be made even more secure and you’ll see that with Leopard.
Definitely, Bill Gates distortion reality field is amazing. The bozo, YES, when he says these things he IS a BOZO, said it first: “Windows is hardened because we are the most attacked”. Idiocy then, idiocy now. Virus running and affecting XP has been already shown to be working on Vista.
The problem is not attacking ONE platform, but propagate the attack automatically without user intervention. If you can only get user exploit and THENCE you have to wait for the user to type sometime, when needed, the admin password you HAVE SHIT. This is exactly the reason why Mac OS X is not presenting malware. Exactly because you have to go after BIG infection numbers, waiting for the user gives you SHIT.
Currently there is no way to crack into a Mac OS X machine and, BECAUSE of that, starting a mass escalating avalanche infection process.
It happens with Windows, it is the reason it is THE target. It does not happen with Mac OS X, it is the reason for no malware.
US and metrics?
Say: Aluminium!
Only if you spell it properly; Aluminum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Spelling
No matter the reason, the fact remains OS X HAS NO VIRUSES IN THE WILD. No amount of M$ fanboi BS changes that fact. No viruses; that’s the bottom line. The reason is immaterial.
Ooh, sorry. Be prepared to be flamed for thinking “metric system” when the writer probably meant “the application of statistics and mathematical analysis to a field of study.”
This @ nani: I beleive Ivar was referring to the way Brits pronounce aluminum. He spelled it phonetically. That’s because he confused metrics with the metric system, used everywhere but here in the U.S.
@ParkinsonMan
What’s your point?
What? If the Mac eventually gets a virus or malware I should switch to Windows?
Given that logic you should have switched to a Mac 10 years ago.
I’ll stay with Apple. The virus/malware ratio is definitely in favor of the Mac. We could get a thousdand virus and malware attacks TODAY and still be 110,000 plus viruses behind Windows.
You should buy a Mac, sit down, be quiet and enjoy a better computer experience.
another funny thing M$ fanboys jiggle about is when Apple comes out with Security Updates. As if being pro-active, fixing security POTENTIAL problems was something to be blamed of.
First they idiotically come out with “No OS is secure, Windows is hardened, Mac OS X is not”, then idiotically gloat when Apple fixes POTENTIAL exploit before anyone even heard of them or had time to try to actually exploit them “See, Mac OS X is full of flaws”. Can they ever think logically?
In security you can only beat the pack but being pro-active, continuously looking for faults and fixing them. Yes, exactly because there is no silver bullet, it is code and bound to have bugs. No code is bug free.
Windows team usually waited for malware to come out before fixing anything and you believe this is good? Luckily for you they changed tune recently but just venture on security sites and have a look at how many old flaws are still there for various Windows applications and the OS itself.
Last but not least vulnerabilities is different from exploits. On Windows the two numbers (with the number of known vulnerabilities that is) are practically the same: one vulnerability == one exploit in the wild.
On Mac OS X there are vulnerabilities, Apple continuously fixes them, most are common to ALL Unix OSes and fixes come as well from the OpenSource community, and when an exploit is demonstrated Apple takes what, 48 hrs to release a fix? Note: demonstrated, not exploit in the wild.
The MOAB? Something to laugh about at most. Dino recent demonstrated Safari exploit (thence shown as a QuickTime exploit on the way Java plugins were treated) only permitted user access, no escalation of privileges, code only demonstrated from Dino to Apple people and a fix in less than two days!
Keep your ‘close the barn when the cows have left’ policy if it makes you happy and cover up whenever it is possible.
I prefer continuous checking of all walls and fixin cracks on the spot: that makes a house secure, not waiting for the next burglar to break in to intervene and put a patch afterwards.
Windows: turds of the world united. More and more evident.
If Mac OS X, in it’s present form, exactly switched places with Windows. Meaning if it was seperated from hardware and pirated all ove the world like Windows is, Mac OS X would be even more insecure than Windows is now.
In other words, Mac OS X will never be as insecure as Windows.
First it will not be separated from its hardware (Apple).
Second: why pirated? it is not an overpriced piece of crap as Windows and it does not have activation code to be cracked. It is based on honour code (people are even buying family packs) and can only run on the hardware it ships with.
Third, Mac OS X is already evolving from its present form. Leopard is WAY more secure than Tiger and with security DESIGN features that will make Tiger feel like it was helpless in comparison (while still sporting a record 6 years time in the market with ZERO malware appearance).
In other words, what are you still doing with Windows? One must be really a weirdo to be aware of the security issues existing with Windows, the zero advantage of using it with respect to another OS like Mac OS X, virtualization capability on the Mac to allow to run even Windows applications in a total sandbox mode (the most secure Windows installation ever: invisible on the net), run Windows applications even WITHOUT Windows and still choosing to buy a PC with Windows (either XP or Vista) installed. Truly weird, or suicidal, or masochist.
Truly, there is absolutely no valid reason not to buy a Mac today and plenty to ditch those dull Dell et al. in the mud.
f Mac OS X, in it’s present form, exactly switched places with Windows. Meaning if it was seperated from hardware and pirated all ove the world like Windows is, Mac OS X would be even more insecure than Windows is now.
Even if the above was true (switch places) the conclusion would be false. Till a way to escalate infection and have an avalanche process in place the situation could not possibly be as bad as in Windows. Moreover, Apple patches flaws before an exploit is released and the core of its guts is open source. Even at the kernel level, one can download Mac OS X SOURCES and have a look at the code. Security by obscurity my big fat ass!
Even if the above would happen, Mac OS X would be still more secure that Windows will ever be BECAUSE IT IS UNIX, stupid. Not Windows swiss-cheese OS.
I’m laughing at the winfanboi above. I’m pretty sure it’s peterson/macdude/whateverhandleIthinkuptoday all over again.
Had an interesting laugh this morning. Good buddy of mine is a total windows wonk. Finally upgraded his computer at home to Vista yesterday. I stopped by to say hi to him and his wife this morning and he wanted to show me the whole new set up.
We walked into his bedroom and I dutifully watched as he booted his pc, don’t know which brand, but it was black and silver, with LOTS of lights and weird styling, horrible to look at.
Vista loaded, he went to what I guess is the equivalent of the Dock which was on the right side of his computer screen and started to demo it for me. Computer froze. Everything locked up. Absolutely freaking hilarious.
Sheep. Windows people are simply sheep.
Lets also take a moment to say what Apple does well.
Limited Attack Surface. Early on, they kept the number of services on the desktop to a minimum, if not to zero. Learned from everyone else’s mistakes.
There is not much to do to find and attack a Mac online.
Builtin Firewall. Barely necessary thanks to #1. While it didn’t always set up rules the way I liked it, it was forward thinking.
Pinched Opensource Code. This doesn’t always work out well for a vendor, but for the most part, they borrowed code that had already been audited by many, many, many people.
Replaced sendmail with postfix. Not as big a deal as it used to be, but continues to show security playing a role in decision making.
Built on BSDUnix roots. One of the most secure Unix flavor around.
Pro-active attitude toward fixes, collaboration with CERT, FIRST and more recently more open on what is fixed and why and collaborating with security researchers.
Some additional steps like root disabled, non executable stack, etc.
Did I say pinched Open Source code? Pinched Open Source code.
Leopard: a quantum leap forward still.
Windows? NONE of the above. Open architecture, services open all over the place, screaming its presence on the net, eagerly responding to unsolicited packet streams to its OPENED ports by default, no difference between user domain and system domain: anything can do anything to everyone. Even in Vista, still same architecture. The “Allow” policy is a joke.
Jim – TIV: Great story! I guess your buddy got Fista-ed.
Aluminium is spelled aluminium, like it or not. Metrics and the metric system are derived from the same, but he, who am I kidding.
Just think next time before you use US logic in a world a lot more complicated than just: either you are with us or you are against us, ok, might make you a whole lot more credible.
As for spelling, English is my second language….not my native tongue. Seems you can look it all up in a Wiki and still be none the wiser……
aluminum in the US, aluminium in UK.
Since English was not borne in the US, aluminium is English. Aluminum is what some emigrant remembered about Aluminium back in the old times.
From the number and intensity of the WIndows fanbois commenting lately, I smell fear…
@ParkinsonMan
Funny, records show that Mac OS X has had more exploits recently than Windows.
And then you said…
Mac OS X exploit potentials have been increasing while Windows has been decreasing.
Part of “OS Security 101”: exploits ≠ exploit potentials. Although Tiger may have more exploit potentials, Windows actually gets the exploit because
1. It’s more common.
2. It’s so much easier.
AND, the charts that show “Jan to Sep” OS vulnerabilities only show “Jan to Sep” OS vulnerabilities. Who knows? Throwing out 3 months might alter the actual results.
So… no point rewarded until you kill my computer. (Hint: break into my house and light a stick of dynamite. RUN!!! BOOOM!!!!!)
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MW: some … and others won’t listen
Aluminium is the first name it was known by, worldwide, chosen through the same convention that gives us many such names, one being sodium — or would you prefer sodum?
Americans, because they don’t know how to spell centre and theatre, dropped the final “i” in aluminium.
Even so, while it is still in the ground as ore, it is more properly referred to as aluminium. Everywhere — except, possibly, in Arcunsaw.
Carry on.
The reason why an update is coming soon to stabilise Tiger?
Tiger is stable, we all know that. But if as Apple expects, people uppgrade to Leopard, then the upgrade has got to take effect without upsetting Tiger. i.e it will offer seamless capability to 32 bit, 64bit, single core, duo chip, dual core, quad core and dual quad units.
The very essence of Apple is that you do not have to think will Leopard suppport my rather very old files and programs let alone ancient but ‘with it’ imacs.
M$ Observe and learn how things should be done!
Four words…”Backward & Forward compatibility”.