“Bill Gates said Microsoft was ‘amazed’ at the response to Windows Vista, the company’s flagship product,” Benjamin Romano reports for The Seattle Times.
MacDailyNews Take: Yes, the response to Windows Vista has been rather amazing. Please see related articles:
Romano continues, “Speaking today to a highly technical audience at Microsoft’s Windows Hardware Engineering Conference here, the Microsoft founder and chairman said his company had high expectations for the product. ‘I mean, we knew that Vista would become the standard version of Windows,’ Gates said. ‘… But what’s happened in the last 100 days has been beyond our expectations. As of last week, we’ve had nearly 40 million copies sold and so that’s twice as fast as the adoption of Windows XP, the last major release that we had.'”
MacDailyNews Take: The last “major” release of Windows was in October 2001. Fewer computers were being sold to sheep in 2001. Hence, as more boxes are being sold today with Vista pre-loaded, more copies of Vista are being “sold.” As if people knew or were “choosing” what they were buying.
Romano continues, “In March, Microsoft said it had sold 20 million copies of Vista in its first month on the market. The company emphasized then that this was double the initial sales pace of XP…”
MacDailyNews Take: Microsoft and their box assemblers have been selling upgrade guarantees for Windows Vista since October 2006. Please see this related article: Microsoft’s numbers game makes Office 2007, Windows Vista launches look better than reality – April 27, 2007
Romano continues, “Gates went on to take a jab at smaller competitors in the operating-system business — notably Apple… ‘In our first five weeks, we’ve matched the entire installed base of any other provider of similar software,’ Gates said.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Mac users have made conscious technology choice and are therefore better informed. – Paul Thurrott.
Mix up some communal reinforcement, a heaping helping of the bandwagon effect, and some nice warm groupthink and what do you get? Microsoft Windows’ unit sales and market share.
Gates is an asshole.
WOW! 40 million frustrated persons and counting. Gates must be a masochist of the worst kind.
….they perspired heavily as they said that!
three words – delusions of grandeur
Bill Gates is a liar. he said the same thing about zune.
The emperor has no clothes.
Nor brain. Nor testicles.
What he does have is hallucinations and delusions of grandeur.
Vista is similar to OS X. No really. It’s very similar. Except that it sucks.
if apple wanted to, it could do the same. it could license its OS. Stop complaining that Vista comes pre-installed on systems.
You CAN chose not to get a pre-installed OS.
But because Apple won’t license OSX to Dell or whomever, Microsoft will always be the superior performing OS.
No, not delusions of grandeur, delusions of necessity.
I see it this way:
Anti-piracy campaign working
Wow, 40 million copies in 100 days. Despite all the marketing hype, fanboys, and TV ads, OS X got PWNED in 3 months. Bottom line for any business, it’s all about cash & sales, and Apple lost (yet again).
wow….
nobody is upgrading from XP to Vista….not corporate america, not the gamers, not the wall street power users
only sales are to individual consumers who are forced to take visata with their new Best Buy boxes
Gates and Ballmer are so transparent in their “say it enough and the stupid press will believe us”
come on….nobody is BUYING shrinkwraped Vista
(and yeah…the Zune is an incredible hit too…..30% of hard disk player sold in US not including sales through the manufacturer’s company store)
Wait a minute.. Forty million copies? So the uptake is what, about 10 percent or less?
That’s not very impressive for a product that they’re touting as solving all the problems of their previous crap.
-jcr
Wait a minute.. Forty million copies? So the uptake is what, about 10 percent or less?
That’s not very impressive for a product that they’re touting as solving all the problems of their previous crap.
-jcr
Wait a minute.. Forty million copies? So the uptake is what, about 10 percent or less?
That’s not very impressive for a product that they’re touting as solving all the problems of their previous crap.
-jcr
Wait a minute.. Forty million copies? So the uptake is what, about 10 percent or less?
That’s not very impressive for a product that they’re touting as solving all the problems of their previous crap.
-jcr
“You CAN chose not to get a pre-installed OS.”
except that (unless things have changed in the last year) even that counts as a windows sale. run a few web searches on the topic. read the nashing of teeth by linux fans when they found that getting a machine with no OS only meant nothing on the harddisk, it still put money in MS’s pockets.
hell, i wouldn’t put it past MS to call those recent dell sales as a sale for BOTH vista and xp……
http://wis.dm/questions/3981-is-max-os-x-better-then-windows-vista
vote for os x!
This is just Microsoft bending the numbers to make it look good. Once you take into considetation the amount of PC sales that have increased in the past umm..5 years, then that 40 mlilion will look awfully embarassing. China for example, was one of the places Microsoft did extensive advertising campaigns and guess what happened….in all of China, only 255 copies of Vista were sold legally. I think that number speaks for itself, and how much Microsoft twists the numbers to make themselves look good, when underneath it all, its a whole different story.
Mr. Gates, “I’m amazed what total crap Vista is and how the technology press is not to calling us out on it”
It really is a big turd that does nothing more than XP.
realitydisconectitis in full bloom
BILL GATES HAS ONLY ONE TESTICLE!!
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“But because Apple won’t license OSX to Dell or whomever, Microsoft will always be the superior performing OS.”
Superior performing OS???!!! WTF! Never was NEVER will be!
You on some baaad Crack! Maybe the same stuff that BG is on!
But stay there….the short buss will be along for you and the other doolers soon!
“In an on-stage demonstration, Steven Leonard, senior product manager, showed how a parent could disable access to a child’s music as a punishment for leaving a firewall security feature disabled.”
Wow! A child can disable Vista’s firewall feature. And MS, so thoughfully, gave parents the power to punish their children by denying access to music. If a child is savvy enough to disable the firewall feaure, he/she can surely re-enable access to his/her music. Again I say: “wow!”
“doolers” should be droolers
Although I doubt [sic] will notice!
He’s joking, right? He must be joking! Either that or both these clowns forgot to take their meds.
I can’t believe that the topic isn’t more often how MS keeps treating Apple like the big sibling. Inferiority complex. Good stuff.
“similar products”… similar cuz you ripped it off you bastard!
I thought the article had a really funny part. Did any one else catch it???
“In an on-stage demonstration, Steven Leonard, senior product manager, showed how a parent could disable access to a child’s music as a punishment for leaving a firewall security feature disabled.”
If my child can figure out how to disable a firewall, do you think that the parent is going to be able to stop them from getting access to their music.?????? Dumb, Mr. Gates, really dumb. !!
And to Sic, with any luck Apple will not sell to box builders. They hack the product to death to save a few cents then do not care about you at all. Period. If you want to buy a cheap Dell, then get a cheap OS too. JMHO.
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MDN word, weeks, as in the weeks ahead will be very interesting. LOL
I’m amazed too. How could M$ take 5 years and $1,000,000,000 and produce a POS like Doze-Vista version? With all the extremely negative press towards Vista, and adding out and out lying by BG to the equation, equals some serious concern in Redmond.
“come on….nobody is BUYING shrinkwraped Vista”
Like who cares whether it’s shrink-wrapped or not when you sell more than the entire Mac user base in a matter of months.
“selling upgrade guarantees for Windows Vista since October 2006. “
Much better, does it really matter if it took Vista 3 or 6 months to eclipse the Mac installed base built up over 20 years?
“As if people knew or were “choosing” what they were buying.”
A completely disingenuous argument. According to MDN, Macs are no more expensive than PCs, and certainly any consumer, through the iPod knows that Apple exists. So there must be a reason they choose Vista over Mac OS X in such overwhelming numbers.
As of last week, we’ve had nearly 40 million copies sold
Bullshit. To who??
Show us hard numbers, namely records of activation. Copies sitting in warehouses (and pre-installs replaced with Windows XP) don’t count.
Until then, consider “40 million” to be straight out of Ballmer’s ass. Ewwww….
WTF? MDN, you guys may have overlooked this and it may require you to ammend your reply!
From the article:
“In an on-stage demonstration, Steven Leonard, senior product manager, showed how a parent could disable access to a child’s music as a punishment for leaving a firewall security feature disabled.”
OMG! Seriously, Microsoft is giving an example…nay…a DEMO…that shows you can punish your child for “for leaving a firewall security feature disabled.” Are they serious? Who on God’s green earth would let their child have the ability to change firewall settings? Maybe the title of the article should read “Microsoft Peddling to Pedophiles!”
“Show us hard numbers, namely records of activation. “
It’s a crime for Bill Gates to lie to investors about sales numbers. So it’s highly unlikely that the 40 million is anything but the number of copies that Microsoft has sold.
Believe it, don’t believe it, but MS just sold more in more of a “failure” OS in months than your beloved Mac OS X installed base. If Vista is a “failure”, OS X is something that aspires one day to be good enough to be even close to being a failure.
“Microsoft Peddling to Pedophiles!”
As if the firewall in OS X or Vista as configured out of the box stops your child getting to YouTube.
And how many millions of this 40 million total are OEM discs sitting in the warehouses of Dell, HP, Sony, etc? C’mon, we know damn well that well over half of that 40 million total aren’t actually in the hands of consumers. We also know that at least 10 million of that total were given as “upgrades” to those who bought XP systems in the 4th quarter of 2006.
If Vista was actually selling so well, why then does the CompUSA that is going out of business down the road from here STILL have copies available even after marking them down 40%??
The “40 million copies of Vista sold” includes all those copies in the hands of box assemblers and retailers as well as small number actually in the hands of end users (losers).
In reality, the majority of all those copies “sold” are still sitting on store shelves or sitting in warehouses waiting to be sold at retail. I can’t see how that can be legitimately counted.
I call shenanigans!
Anyone know what MS charges OEMs for each copy of Vista?
$10-$20? And at their current pace, how long to recoup 5+ years of development?
I’d love to know how many of those copies are on the black market. I Think gates must read these blogs as I think I remember some one a couple days ago having a dig at him. I think he felt he had to respond :<
“C’mon, we know damn well that well over half of that 40 million total aren’t actually in the hands of consumers. “
You mean you hope, you wish and you dream that that were the case.
And even if they are in warehouses and stores now 1) That’s still a sale for Microsoft. Apple also counts iPods and Macs it ships to retailers and distributors as a sale when it ships them. 2) worst case a month or two, most will be in consumer hands, so I don’t see how you can possibly spin this announcement to be good news. But, keep deluding yourself and trying.
“$10-$20? And at their current pace, how long to recoup 5+ years of development?”
Your price is a bit low for the average cost per copy, and the answer is, about a year, maybe two at the outside depending on uptake rates.
It’s a crime for Bill Gates to lie to investors about sales numbers.
MS? Criminal?? Like any silly laws ever stopped them.
Believe it, don’t believe it, but MS just sold more in more of a “failure” OS in months than your beloved Mac OS X installed base.
Again, prove it. I want an audited tally of who’s buying Vista, and the percentage of the “sold” copies that have been activated and are actually in use.
Let’s try this: if an automaker sells new cars to junkyards, does that count as “sales”? Should they be able to claim those sales as part of their market share?
Gates and Ballmer can only see the numbers leaving MS’s dock. It’s where those copies finally end up that counts. Heh I wonder if anyone would notice if MS left most of the Vista install boxes empty.
If MSoft is doing so well with Vista, why did Billy Boy just dump 3 million shares of stock?
Obcause they are flocking to buy Vista. Vista is safer OS! No more third party anti-virus software to install. Windows users are desperate for more secure OS. Upgrade cannot be any worse than the reinstall me once a week XP, could it?
“Let’s try this: if an automaker sells new cars to junkyards, does that count as “sales”? Should they be able to claim those sales as part of their market share?”
Yes. But how long can you pretend that enough Vista sales fall into that category to make a difference?
“Again, prove it. I want an audited tally of who’s buying Vista”
Sure, I’ll get right on it for you. While I’m at it, give me your address so I can send a million bucks over and a half dozen beautiful women (or guys if you prefer) to service you. You can keep the keys to the limo I send them over in. OK, I guess you know now none of those things are going to happen.
So stop being silly about what you require before you believe the obvious, that Vista is absolutely thrashing Mac OS X in the marketplace. Given Microsoft’s dominance of the OS market that’s hardly a result that’s surprising anyone.
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“But because Apple won’t license OSX to Dell or whomever, Microsoft will always be the superior performing OS.”
So… Selling more copies makes the OS better performing?
You’re joking right? Surely not even a Windows drone could be that stupid.
It’s funny how the trolls come out on this board when Gates spews FUD. It should be obvious when the 30 people worldwide that showed up for the Vista release party and purchased a copy of Vista, that the other 39,999,970 copies were sold to Best Buy et al and are still sitting on shelves.
“It’s a crime for Bill Gates to lie to investors about sales numbers. So it’s highly unlikely that the 40 million is anything but the number of copies that Microsoft has sold.”
You are kidding, right?
M$ has been lying, cheating, and stealing in front of all of us and not even Justice Dept could do anything to stop them.
A lot of things have been proven and what happened? Nothing!
M$ is virtually untouchable and they can get away with much bigger things then lying about some numbers. In the worst case scenario they will find some sacraficial sheep, some VP who will get kick back for taking the heat.
The MS astroturfers reek of desperation. It’s a pit stain smell.
At first glance it seems like a lot but when Ilook around me, I cannot find one single sollitary person who has Vista. I know manywith Windows 2000 or XP but that is it.
Another thing I do not understand. Why does Gates feel the need to boast about higher numbers than Apple? If you have a monopoly, why in hell are you boasting? Fear? Immaturity? Low testosterone?
40 Million copies sold (uh huh) and I can’t find one person that likes it.
I think the word is flabergasted.
Unfortunatley MS is like the oil companies. We’re stuck with them until the oil runs out or the world fries form the heat.
I am amazed at what a lier gates is!
according to a interview with an actual microsoft Executive who presented numbers Joe Wilcox came to this conclusion:
The number’s meaning collapses for three simple reasons:
* Microsoft’s sales period for the license sales is significantly longer than 30 days—more like four months.
* License sales into the channel do not correspond to actual Vista PC sales out of the channel.
* The numbers don’t match up with real world PC sales volumes.
By my accounting, Vista is actually off to a slower start than Windows XP, using real world comparisons.
I agree! with Dell sales dropping and then dropping Vista I cant see how they are selling any at all.
Superior performing OS???!!!
I think he meant sales performance.
So there must be a reason they choose Vista over Mac OS X in such overwhelming numbers.
While awareness of Apple is higher than it was, there are still a lot of people who don’t even know what an OS is. They just buy the cheapest computer at their closest big box store, and that’s usually a Windows PC.
If Vista is a “failure”, OS X is something that aspires one day to be good enough to be even close to being a failure.
Microsoft couldn’t sell it to a massive installed base, hence it’s a failure. Apple, meanwhile, is growing from its niche at three times the industry rate. Hence, not a failure.
Wow, the astroturfers are out in force!
As for 40 million Vista copies sold, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that MS has stuffed the channel, just like they did with Xbox 360 over Xmas. As far as others like Apple doing likewise, if you pay attention to the conference calls, you’ll see that unlike MS stuffing the channel and carrying lots of inventory in order to meet some internal sales targets, Apple has kept steady inventory levels of iPods.
If people can’t see that MS has played fast and loose with the numbers, I pity them. It’s not rocket science. Just compare how many PCs actually shipped when MS said they sold 20 million licenses in one month. Impossible.
Amazon Best Sellers – Software
The most popular items on Amazon.com. Updated hourly.
4. Parallels Desktop for OS X
20. Windows XP Home
37. Windows XP Pro
53. Mac OS X 10.4
82. Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade (238.99)
84. Windows Vista Ultimate Full Install (358.99)
Yeah Vista is flying off the shelves. XP is outselling it at Amazon.
If Microsoft is so sure of it’s products, why did they post a seist and desist order to all employee’s at CompUSA, stating that they can not say anything bad about Microsoft’s Vista operating system to customers or they will be fired. I previously worked for CompUSA and still have friends there. Everyone from sales people on the floor and technicians are bashing Vista.
I know two people who have upgraded (I use that term loosely).
No one in our corporate office.
No one in my girlfriends business office.
No one outside the offices.
No friends (save the two mentioned).
No relatives.
No extended business acquaintances at work or home.
Two out of about 350.
Wow.
Wow more people to find Vista Annoying and wanting to switch to Macs. Thanks Microsoft for keeping your model of making horrible products.
We all know why the company is called Micro-soft… It has to Bill and Melinda on their wedding night on Lanai’… Melinda walked out of the bath all ready for the night of nights and onserving the groom said, “Geez, now I know why you names it Micro-soft”…
The rest is his-story…
EVERYONE and I mean everyone that I have talked to regarding V.I.S.T.A. is displeased with something… and threaten to switch. Disillusionment is the first step to overcoming an addiction.
Yo! V.I.S.T.A. users: Get out of your dope-head and head to an Apple Store or head to an online store near you and get your head around the best thing since sliced bread: Apple, Inc’s computers and operating system! Why? It just works!
MDN: head
Unfortunatley MS is like the oil companies. We’re stuck with them until the oil runs out or the world fries form the heat.
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Great attitude. Do me a favor. Phone every person you know and apologize for the shitty influence you’ve had on them during the course of your life.
BILL GATES HAS ONLY ONE TESTICLE!!
Why flatter him?
Credit where it’s due. Bill is still one of the richest people in the world so he must be doing something right (don’t know what that is though). I’ll bet he has a secret basement full of Macs.
Vista
Wow, 40 million copies in 100 days.
Yeah. That’s really sad. What’s out there? 20 million upgrade certificates which MS will never demonstrate translated into actual installs, and what, 10? 15 million PCs sold with Vista preinstalled? Most of which are from box makers pushing out units to sit under desks of people who had no choice ib what system they end up using.
Best case? 5 to maybe 8 million people actually chose to buy Vista. The rest either have a certificate they will probably never use, or got Vista forced on them.
“…In our first five weeks, we’ve matched the entire installed base of any other provider of similar software,’ Gates said.”
“Similar” software?
If Gates is referring to OS X, he’s delusional. OS X doesn’t run on PCs and isn’t provided for them anyway, so there is clearly no similarity there.
I just LOVE Mr. Bill Gates!
Only when he is representing the Melinda Gates Foundation. Through it his familyu have done a lot of good for alot of people round the World. Education In American Schools, Anti Aids medical research, malaria etc.
If he stood down from M$ properly, his star as an individual would rise higher than Mr S J.
That is not to say Mr S J is not a demi-god! HE IS (please not lower case g) So go on Applelytes & worship at his alter.. were is the ambrosia!!!!?
Very few customers actually chose to buy Vista. It came pre-installed by default when they chose to buy a new PC. Microsoft will obviously have some short-term “momentum” from this ingrained behavior on the part of typical consumers. But Microsoft did more to sabotage this behavior (long-term) by releasing the fundamentally flawed Vista than Apple could have done in ten years. Vista may be the best thing to happen to Apple since the return of Steve Jobs.
Im sure if people had to choose which OS they want installed when they buy a new computer that most of them would not choose Vista.
So here’s the REAL SALES FIGURES; 5 million copies of Vista sold since retail release.
I have said it before and will say it again, everyone I know won’t touch Vista with a barge pole until at least one major upgrade on it is released.
Friends of mine tell me horror stories of what they have had to do to get Vista to work on therr brand new pcs.
They all say the same thing too… that they wish they had used Mac OS X!
re: sanatclause
“Show us hard numbers, namely records of activation. “
It’s a crime for Bill Gates to lie to investors about sales numbers. So it’s highly unlikely that the 40 million is anything but the number of copies that Microsoft has sold.
Believe it, don’t believe it, but MS just sold more in more of a “failure” OS in months than your beloved Mac OS X installed base. If Vista is a “failure”, OS X is something that aspires one day to be good enough to be even close to being a failure.
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Selling more copies of Vista than OS X DOES NOT MAKE VISTA THE BETTER OS.
Lets face it, the ONLY reason why Vista has sold more copies (alledgidly!) is because it is pre-installed on all the cheap and crappy pc’s that your average windows using clone will throw out every 6 months.
What you have to realise is that in this modern age masses of sales of an OS mean fuck all.
What IS important is CHOICE.
The real sadt thing is that consumers DONT HAVE CHOICE WHICH OS IS PRE-INSTALLED ON THEIR NEW PC.
IF THEY DID, MICROSOFT WOULD WOULD GONE OUT OF BUSINESS 10 YEARS AGO.
Yeah well apparently Spiderman 3 was the biggest earning movie of all time.
It was still crap.
If you had to buy a new pc and the sales assistant said ” ok – which OS you want pre-installed?. We can install Vista, Mac OS X or Linux on th pc here in th shop”
“You choose…”
Guess which OS would never be chosen… Vista.
Says it all really.
Yo Richard,
I actually liked Spiderman. Try using a car comparison instead
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I bumped into one of my ex-students at the mall and he told me he just got a Sony Vaio…and he was really underwhelmed with Vista. So I immediately went into my “why didn’t you get a mac” routine.
He told me that his brother got a job with IBM and they gave him the notebook for free. He asked mangement whether they’d mind if he used his Macbook Pro instead of the windows’ machine and they agreed. So my ex-student got the Sony thing for free because the IBM employee preferred his mac to a free windows’ machine.
Hey Walter. That’s a classic
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Did you tell him if he should sells his Vaio he may have enough dosh to buy a MacBook
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I hope he hasn’t thrown it at the wall yet or he will get nothing for it.
Ooh that was bad English and as I am English there’s no excuse eh! It’ll teach me for not reading a post through after editing it.
You’re not an English teacher are you Walt
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I don’t give a flying f*ck about whatever that moron Bill Gates shouts at some stockholders meeting.And neither should all other mac users. MS has been stealing, lying and threatening their way to the top for the past 30 years. The company is ruled by fear, uncertainty and doubt and they have their whole empire thanks to one smart move in the 90’s. So what. WE HAVE MACS! We rule 😀
I think the word is flabbergasted.
He he he M$ and their play with number. Desperado.
“39,999,970 copies were sold to Best Buy et al and are still sitting on shelves.”
And those 30 people last month were doing as much web browsing with it as all Intel Macs ever made then some.
30 people, but 30 people who somehow appear in web surveys to be millions of users.
That’s impressive.
“I cannot find one single sollitary person who has Vista. “
Because 40 million copies is still only 4-5% of the installed base of PCs. Since you probably have way less then 20 friends, and most of them are probably imaginary so share your OS preferences, it’s statistically unlikely that you know anyone with Vista.
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BILL GATES HAS ONLY ONE TESTICLE!!</quote>
And it’s name is Ballmer!
Delusions of adequacy is more like it.
Gates’ comments are typical of the dishonesty of the power grubber personality we see in ruthless, agenda driven leaders — a lot like politicians. I compare this ability to tell the most outrageous lies in public to being able to eat sh*t with a smile while commenting on the fine taste, texture and bouquet of that feast.
We laugh, but Gates could not care less. As long as those who are not “into” technology the way we are are duped, is all that matters to him and his ilk. And with the overwhelming majority of the mainstream media also being agenda driven power grubbers, he has a massive number of willing whores to do his perverted bidding and amplify his lies. It has worked for a long time. What else can Gates do? He is just trying to fool at least some – perhaps most – of the people all of the time, as Abe Lincoln once talked about. Some day, he may fail. But it has worked so far.
There is a difference between shipped and bought…
What he should be worried about is how many happy customers has.
That number is low and declining.
Apple has exceedingly happy customers and they are growing – fast.
I will celebrate with a Magnum of Champagne the day that Microsoft goes into Chapter 11. I’ll be older and wiser then of course, but it’ll be worth the wait!
Still waiting for Microsoft’s quarter numbers. If they tell the truth then maybe I’ll buy the next Zune that comes out. (Well, I have to put use to my trip to the dollar store.) Then I’ll pick up a copy of Windows Vista and a new Dell from a nearby convenience store and get it all up and running. Man, this is going to be an all-night party!
Please note that I will be vacationing in a poor country where $1 Zunes and cheap Vista boxes are available.
No thank you. I think I’ll keep my Mac.
MW: some … some Americans fit the normal level of stupidity, and all the rest of us are just crazy.
“The real sadt thing is that consumers DONT HAVE CHOICE WHICH OS IS PRE-INSTALLED ON THEIR NEW PC.”
Of course they do. They can walk into an Apple store and walk out with Mac OS X pre-installed.
Are you saying that because you walk into a car dealership and they only have one brand of car that you can’t exercise a choice and walk down the street to a dealership which sells another type?
For some reason consumers choose Wintel machines over Macs in overwhelming numbers.
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You’re whacked!
Amazed I am at the number of trolls that came out on this topic.
To all of them I say, Do the following:
1. Take BG’s count of Vista sales.
2. Take the count of cpus sold in the same time frame.
3. Subtract 2 from 1.
4. Look at the large positive number that results.
Now try to rationalize BG’s claim. And until you can explain this large discrepancy, please go back to your Vista fan sites.
MW: “hard” as in the “truth about Vista is hard for Gates and Ballmer (and especailly the fanbois) to swallow.”
to all about maddox
Have to admit it, I found the website amusing. Misinformed, delusional and retarded, but amusing.
“2. Take the count of cpus sold in the same time frame.”
Like counting the 120 million PCs sold in the time-frame? What discrepancy are you possibly talking about?
Well, really, what do you expect the guy to say? Perception is everything and if he build the hype, even when there is none, he can push Vista through this. But you surely wouldn’t expect him to come out and say, “Vista was a mistake and the percentage of our base that is upgrading is far smaller than the percentage of our base that upgraded to XP”?
He is going find the best possible spin he can. But in the end …
I do have to say my work laptop and work desktop both have vista. From a work standpoint I actually like it more than XP. My machine at home is a 2.5 Dual Core G5 so I never power on my laptop unless I am doing work from home. I would venture a guess that out of 40 million sold, at least 2/3s of that is business related. Microsoft will always continue to dominate the business market. Now, I would never ever buy a microsoft machine myself, never owned anything but an apple.
If that number’s true (which I doubt), that means 40 million people on this planet are sheep. Baaaa …
He’s not the only one that is amazed. I’m amazed that anyone would consciously and willingly buy Vista.
And what’s with those dorky sweatersd on Bill and Steve? Are they starting a folk singing group? “The 2 Dorks.”
MDN quoted Paul Thurrott. Easy stomach…
MW: “normal” – it’s not normal for MDN to quote Thurrott except with derision
“If that number’s true (which I doubt), that means 40 million people on this planet are sheep. Baaaa …”
Like iPod buyers. Baaaa….
The funniest thing about all these it, the major competitor to Vista is….
WIndows XP !!!!
And, yes, it affects Microsoft’s revenue, since XP is cheaper than Vista. Not only that. In many cases, the revenue for XP has been already received (remember they charge per machine built, not machine sold) so… when they fail against the same flawed operating system they are trying to fix…
Sounds like Microsoft killing Microsoft.
Yeah, I don’t understand the appeal to numbers here either. As a logical arguing point, it isn’t. It’s like the guy is still in high school. “Well, I’m going to do it because *everyone else is*.” Does that make it smart, right, good, or necessary? And besides, *everyone else* is always a subjective argument, because *everyone* can’t be defined. Look, if you want to to debate with the big boys, you’ve got to grow out of your mental diapers first.
“MacDailyNews Take: Mac users have made conscious technology choice and are therefore better informed. – Paul Thurrott.”
I never thought I’d see the day when MDN used a Thuridiot quote in one of thier takes.
Hmmmm,
PM said, “and guess what happened….in all of China, only 255 copies of Vista were sold legally. ” Say in a country where they steal everything software wise, I guess they are not going to steal what they do not want. : -) Maybe Bill has finally come up with a way to stop them from pirating (sp) copies of windows. LOL
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I saw photos of Vista on sale on the streets of Shanghai for five dollars (in plastic bags with Mickey Mouse graphics – nice irony).
What’s really funny is when they install Vista and find out their computer can’t handle it (menu latency, not enough RAM or VRAM, lack of HD space, etc.) and they demand their five bucks back. “Do you have a receipt? Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ! ! ! I guess you get what you pay for.
“‘In our first five weeks, we’ve matched the entire installed base of any other provider of similar software,’ Gates said.”
Similar software?! Is Mr. Gates implying that any MS OS is “similar” to OS X?! Talk about a reality distortion field – yikes!
I know one person who has installed Vista on his computer.
It was such a horrific disaster he wiped the drive and re-installed his XP set-up from his protected backup (that he wisely made before he tried to install Vista).
I’ve tried to get him to dump Windows altogether and go with a Mac, but he doesn’t believe that one can do anything with a Mac, and no matter how much I show him what CAN be done with a Mac, and how EASY it is to do it, the deprogramming of the MS minions is simply too much for him to accept.
Wow. I sense a slight bitterness at Gates’ assertion that Windows has sold more copies of its OS in five weeks than Apple has in 20+ years. Ouch. That’s got to hurt.
And by suggesting that Windows users have no choice, you are implicitly admitting just how small Apple’s presence in the PC market actually is.
My favorite part, though:
Mix up some communal reinforcement, a heaping helping of the bandwagon effect, and some nice warm groupthink and what do you get?
Ummm…..MDN???
Irrespective of whether Vista has so far sold 40 million or not, there is no doubt its numbers will eventually add up. The huge pre-installed Windows-user base, the fact that mass-marketed, mass-produced cheapo boxes will be mostly carrying Vista for some time to come, all mean that, if not immediately, Vista will eventually record big sales numbers.
But at this point in time, what is important is not the actual sales figures, but the “momentum swing” which has clearly started going against Microsoft. With Apple and Linux mounting increasingly effective attacks, and with the fundamental shift in computing away from stand-alone desktops to online computing, Vista may turn out to be the last such dog out of the Microsoft kennel, a sort of supernova explosion by a dying star.
Reg. the parents punishing the child for firewall ‘violation’. As others have mentioned, it should be the parents who are punished for ALLOWING the child to have permissions/ability to change or alter the firewall setup…or any other sensitive area for that matter !
There is no getting around the fact that because of its installed base, momentum, and no viable alternative for the OEMs that Vista should sell at least the amount of copies that Bill Gates states…the real question is are they really being used?
I have personally purchased (not for me, but for clients) over 20 computers that came pre-installed with Vista and then switched them over to XP.
I have also purchased over 20 Macs and via either Boot Camp or Parallels installed XP. This does not mean that Windows is getting more and more use (even though it certainly helps Microsoft and their bottom line…for the short term), but rather that people are slowly looking for a way out.
We have to face the facts…if tomorrow, Microsoft decided to stop selling Vista (and XP) it would still take 2-3 years before an alternative OS would have 51% of installed base…so it is an uphill climb…but it will happen and it might happen faster than many Apple bashers users would like to believe.
I should add, that I myself have not played with Vista and, for now, have no intention of using it, but an IT specialist friend of mine did. He could not stop complaining and uninstalled it within a week.
Now, I’m positive that he’ll eventually upgrade to Vista, before he switches to the Mac, but I’m slowly working him to make his second computer a Mac (ahhh, the power of showing him the great books he can produce with iPhoto). It still will take at least 9 more months before I can get him to buy into doing this…but I know he’ll break down, after all, you can do photo books with Windows PCs, but you just can’t do them as easily as you can with iPhoto.
Obviously, there are (or very soon will be) more Vista users (or sales) than Mac OS X users (or sales). There were also far more XP users/sales than OS X ones. This is old and irrelevant news, so why is everyone arguing about it? The point is that since Microsoft spent many years (and dollars) on Vista, but it has turned out far from the expected revolution in personal computing, MSFT stock has stayed more or less flat. Apple is irrelevant to Microsoft’s response to Windows Vista, which, whatever Bill Gates says, has not been “amazing.”
40 million copies of vista sold? wow Microsoft can’t count their sales on Vista. Microsoft Vista may have every feature that we have for Mac OS X for the past 7 years. Now with the next release of OS X Leopard Microsoft need to catch up to copy every feature in OS X and they will do that in Windows “Vienna” or whatever in 2009 but we still have more features every 18 months so Redmond: Start your engines
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FYI: Zune is a copied version of our iPods & Zune Marketplace is also a copied version of iTunes but worse
Vista is absolutely thrashing Mac OS X in the marketplace
In the US automotive market, General Motors still absolutely thrashes everyone else in unit sales.
That, however, doesn’t mean GM is untouchable. For anyone who doesn’t know GM is fighting for their existence, even with their Silverado truck sales clobbering the likes of the Toyota Prius.
The only MS and their fanboys can see is numbers, they’re blind to any kind of analysis. Strong raw sales do not necessarily mean health.
I am amazed that Ballmer is still there.
personally I couldn’t care is MS has sold 4 Billion copies of Piss-ta. I never bought one and I don’t suffer it so that’s all the matters to me. Though there is some serously dubious ‘creative’ accounting going on here so it seems. Only 1 person I know has a copy of vista.
How sad anyway: more people bought more of this than that so therefore this must be better than that. No. Just means more poeple went for this other than that for various reasons including familiarity, necessity, marketing, and to a large extent ignorance. Preying on the simple, gullible, naive, blindly trusting and uninformed is such a morally bereft thing to do. Yet MS has it down to an art. And the simple folk lap it up (homer simpson comes to mind with these people). Though it proves nothing why is Mac’s user base on average better educated than the average windows user? Suggestion because those with more intelligence tend to be more discerning and less gullible -> hence making more reasoned choices. And the more reasoned choice is obviously OSX. There’s nothing about vista I have seen that would motivate me to consider buying it (for a ridiculous price or even if ti were free for that matter) and installing it on a PC. I am fair minded about such things (I have computers running linux- mandriva, ubuntu, a mac and a pc running windows (for work related stuff). Which one do I prefer: the answer is simple: a mac. Why? Because it just works!
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As for argument for popularity = best: as I posted previously elsewhere, this is a fallacious argument called appeal to the commons. It is invalid and unsound. More doesn’t equal best. More just equals more. The presumption is that more totally rational, fully informed individuals choice this product over that, thereby nmaking this better than that. Obvious Major flaw in that argument: how many totally rational, fully informed individuals do you know? None! Flipside: Herd mentality is poor justification for choice.