“The one curious aspect of [Microsoft’s Windows] Vista, which may also spell its doom and mark the end of the road for the most popular OS in the history of the world, is its newest Mac-like qualities. This phenomenon I find quite fascinating,” John C. Dvorak foments for PC Magazine.
Dvorak foments, “From what I can tell, the Mac community likes Vista more than the PC community. Apparently, in its quest to emulate what Apple does on the Mac—as if it’s the holy grail of computers—Microsoft has given up on what makes a PC unique. (And I don’t mean the blue screen of death.) There is something about Vista that has crossed over to the right brain—the realm of the Mac.”
“When it comes to the Apple-versus-PC battle, one oft-neglected discussion is that the majority of people do not like Macs. Get over it, it’s true. Hence, Apple’s market share is low. There is no other explanation, although price has always been the rationale. Now it looks as if there is more to it than price. I, personally, do not like the Mac—snappy response aside—of the way it feels when saving files. I know this is silly, but I’ve never felt comfortable with it. It was mushy in some weird way that always gave me the creeps. I always felt that if something weird happened on a Mac I would never be able to recover a file. I’ve never felt that way with a PC. I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry,” Dvorak foments.
Dvorak foments, “This is a minor thing to people who would be fearful of removing a hard disk, and that, to me, would be a typical art director at an ad agency who used a Mac. He’s buying the machine because it looks good and he/she likes the way it feels.”
Dvorak foments, “And there is the much-discussed odd nature of the fringe Mac users who are cultlike and often psycho in their behavior: They see the machine as an extension of themselves and defend it from criticism with an unpleasant vehemence. They represent the worst kind of irrational right-brainers. Who needs to associate with people like that?”
Full mess, Think Before You Click™, here.
Questions abound:
• Which “Mac community,” exactly, likes Windows Vista more than “the PC community?”
• If the Mac isn’t “the holy grail of computers,” what is, John? Windows XP? Some obscure Linux distro? Kaypro, you old fool?
• Perhaps the majority of people do not like Macs because they have no idea what a Mac is or what they’re missing? Or because they believe garbage from the likes of Dvorak?
• Why do those who use both Mac and Windows overwhelmingly choose Macs? Get over it, it’s true.
• Who would’ve guessed that John C. Dvorak, personally, does not like the Mac? You know, because it’s “mushy in some weird way.”
• You can’t take a hard disk out of a Mac Pro, easily put it into another Mac Pro, and then go exploring the drive without worry? Of course you can – and easier than with any Windows PC, too.
• Why does Dvorak pretend that people buy Macs because they look good? The answer is in the video included below.
• The only one who’s “psycho in their behavior” is the man technology long ago passed by: John C. Dvorak. Why else would he not want to “associate with people like that” while continuing to bait them for decades with his badly written slop?
• Does PC Magazine really need to stoop so low for hits as to employ an empty-headed blowhard who has admitted on tape (see below) to baiting Mac users in a desperate quest for hits?
• Besides just sounding old, John’s really looking old. What legacy will John C. Dvorak leave besides a closetful of bad shirts, the reputation of a weasel, and reams upon reams of worthless sniping?
John Dvorak admits to baiting Mac users in desperate attempts to generate traffic for his junk:
Related articles:
Dvorak on Apple iPhone, Steve Jobs, Ballmer, Transcendental Meditation, and more – January 17, 2007
Dvorak on Apple iPhone: ‘I think Apple can do wrong and I think this is it’ – January 13, 2007
Apple sells 450,000 of Dvorak’s ‘nutty’ Nike+iPod Sport Kits in under three months – September 13, 2006
Dvorak tries damage control – June 20, 2006
Video: Dvorak admits to baiting Apple Mac users for hits – June 10, 2006
Dvorak thinks iPod+Nike Sport Kit is ‘nutty’ – May 24, 2006
God, Dvorak is such a dbag. He says the stupidest shit. He just loves to piss us Mac users off!
I really hate this guy. I wouldn’t mind if he fell out of a box and hit his head on some moldy bread.
This guy is the Jimmy “The Greek” of computer commentators. We are just waiting for him to make the first off-color comment so he gets canned, once and for all.
Maybe we can bait him and ask him why certain races aren’t running M$…..
Someone needs to stop pulling his string. Please just leave him in the dark toy closet slumped over where he belongs.
Someone please punch this jackass in the mouth.
Dvorak writes “… I, personally, do not like the Mac…”
Fortunately, all Apple has to do at this point is simply wait for all these simple-minded old fogeys to die off (and they will sooner or later). For the most part, Apple is courting the next generation of computer users — except for the gamers — which they really need to get busy on…
“…in other words, I’m a hack!”
MDN Magic word: “even”- as in: “even” the camera guy knows that Dvorak is a hack.
What a tosser.
The mag’s not much better — rather workmanlike for my taste.
John,
FSCK YOU.
Apple needs to get the gamers attention.
I agree. I play WoW on my Mac Pro. There is a market Apple needs to address. ..hey would that be a MAC ADDRESS?
Do the world a favor and, as MDN says, “Think Before You Click™.”
Don’t give this idiot any more hits. We’ll have him back managing a Wendy’s from midnight to 6 a.m. in no time (no offense Wendy’s employees. Ack! Actually, I like Wendy’s. What am I saying?!) Anway, don’t help keep this guy in business.
Let’s take a stand against stupidity, evil, greed, and lies. He craves money and attention. Give him neither.
“I can’t put my finger on it.” Uh, perhaps because there is no logical reason you feel that way. He’s hated Macs for so long that he doesn’t even remember why. Perhaps it was jealousy, or cost (in the old days). Maybe it was because it didn’t have an old fashioned command prompt mode (in the old days). Whatever it was, he can’t even remember and it’s probably no longer relevent. So, he comes up with crap to continue his hatred.
Along the same lines, I’m sure that PC Mag is probably saying “I think there was a reason we hired John D., but I can’t remember why.”
With Target Mode there’s no reason to take the drive out of the Mac in order to go exploring it with another Mac. There’s nothing like it in the Windows world. While working at a multimedia company years ago the clients were always stunned by the multi-monitor desktop — never mind the 3D work I was doing for them on the screen. “How did you do that?” (As the cursor smoothly glided from one screen to another.) “What key did you press?” Target Mode is like that now.
Why doesn’t God take him already? LOL
Why doesn’t he just go back to DOS? Much more his speed.
what do you expect from him? he is admitting the he has absolutely no creativity. even engineers are creative.
if dvorak started praising macs, i would think that something is wrong.
clearly, he is a consultant for MS.
The extent to which I
a) care what Dvorak has to say and
b) would make the effort to visit his site
is described below:
WOW. He has really lost it. Period. End of sentence.
Remove hard drive? Mac Pro. open side cover, push in drive, out it pops.
Feels weird?? Yep he is gone.
I have a friend that likes to “play” with the guts of their PC machine. It makes them “feel” good. Like they have some control.
They don’t. When she changed modems, all of her systems died. Printer would not work, etc. Tech support told her that she would have to replace most every piece of hardware.
She had made a copy of her software configuration before changing hardware. She put her old modem back in, rebooted her old software and everything worked again. She was happy. She had to buy another computer to get a faster modem cause her PC just “did not work” with her. 🙁
I just smile and let her tell me about all her new toys and adapters and software upgrades. I know that, in her own sweet weird way, she is having fun.
Doing that would drive me nuts. I just like to use my machine, not constantly fix it.
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Dovark, go play in your sand box with the other incurable geek-want-to-be’s and leave us alone. We enjoy superior hardware/software especially when it plays nice with each other.
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He says… “I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry,”
I have to ask….. UMMMMMMM, what the hell are you talking about????
He’s totally baiting. If you even fall for it… you’re the loser he thinks you are.
The more he rants on the less credible as a tech reporter he becames.
Stories like this are going to spell his own doom. When people stop caring what he has to say.
Please don’t give this moron any more credit…. quit posting his obvious crap!
MDN,
Your Think Before You Click™ is genius – I hope you guys continue to use this whenever you deem necessary.
We can all read it here and the idiots like Dvorak, Enderle, etc. get no traffic. It’s perfect!
Apple ruined its reputation as a computer maker in the 90s. It has and will continue to have a huge problem overcoming that image right now. When it was time to win over the computer market, Apple lost. Microsoft won. Now Apple faces the monumental task of trying to convince the majority of computer users that they it is worth switching . . . that this generation of Macs are far better than that previous generation of Macs they grew to hate. They are still more expensive, overall.
The iPod has helped redeem its image a bit. If Apple wants to win over more people, it needs to let Windows users use more of its software . . . why not Safari??
I believe Apple has started to branch out into other areas also to redeem its image. Has the Mac been gaining market share? Yes. Will it ever be able to take the lead against the other computer companies? Certainly. However, I seriously doubt if it will ever take the lead away from Windows.
Apple’s only chance is to make its OS able to be run on ANY PC. However, that would ruin their entire computer business. OS X is the main competitor to Windows, and Microsoft knows it will never be a serious competitor. It will take some other company to finally compete with Microsoft, because Apple will never be in a position to do it.
DON’T CLICK!!!! flamebait from D O R K !!!!
This guy works for a magazine! They sure as hell don’t use Windows to put it together. EVERY print shop uses macs.
Such SAD life!! Writing bigotry for FOOD!!
He is the master of baiting
These PC guys are always on about having access to the internals. Mac’s don’t break down as much as PC’s do, so there’s no need to be concerned about pulling the damn thing apart.
When you buy a car you don’t think, Hmmmm I like this car, the gearbox is in a great postion for me to get at it when it blows up.
“• Why do those who use both Mac and Windows overwhelmingly choose Macs? Get over it, it’s true.”
Is there a study somewhere that supports this statement?
You can deny it all you want, but every item of clothing you wear, everything you eat, every car you drive, every band you love, is an extension of yourself.
“I always felt that if something weird happened on a Mac I would never be able to recover a file. I’ve never felt that way with a PC. I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry.”
What in the fsck is this douche talking about? “Felt”? Oh, well I feel that saving files in Windows actually removes my soul* and sells it to a hobo.
*if I had one
Fsck Dvorak. I am an art director and freelancer and I did not buy a Mac just because it “looks good”. I am a hard-working professional and I deserve to be respected as such, and that kind of comment is an insult to the entire design industry. Perhaps John thinks being a worthless hack writer is the pinnacle of his career, but to the rest of the world he and his thoughtless, immature, devoid of any critical thought comments can jump from the nearest cliff. He produces nothing of value and is worthless in the scheme of things.
My, what a whinger, it’s quite simple, if you don’t like it then don’t use it, I really don’t give a f**k!
He wants hits on his blog dvorak-blog so don’t go to his site! We all know that Vista isn’t Mac like in any way, shape, or form.
“If Apple wants to win over more people, it needs to let Windows users use more of its software . . . why not Safari??”
– Eh, or maybe just stick with iTunes and maybe porting iPhoto to Windows. After all, there are many Mac users that don’t even use Safari.
He’s hilarious. He’s like a techie Andy Kaufman.
MDN Word: southern, as in those Kaufman baited in his wrestling persona.
Someone put this moron out of his misery…please.
Dork gets it. Mac fanboys don’t
Zune Zune Zune…. Ya Zune Zune Zune…
wahie a minute, was that from Mazda? oopz!
Soon Tank
cousar,
He is nowhere near as brilliant as Andy Kaufman. Kaufman was subversive and groundgreaking. This guy is just a troll.
IMHO.
John C. Dvorak is a shining example of one who is victim of the “Stockholm syndrome” when it comes to using a PC. Saying that the way the Mac saves files “gives him the creeps” is a clear indication.
I have to admit that Windows gives ME the creeps though. Clicking on “START” to shut down a computer and not ever knowing if opening up an attachment in an e-mail could irreversably hijack or destroy the OS. Now THAT’S creepy.
Did I just type “groundgreaking?”
Lol. Sorry.
does anyone else apart from the mac community read any of this drivel?
He does sound a bit like Rush Limbaugh talking about Hillary Clinton, doesn’t he? Wonder if he also uses Viagra for underage sex tours in the Dominican Republic.
spam this half witt’s inbox and sign him up to every pron junk mailing list know to mankind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…. any hackers out there? show this twit why his dull box is so unsqushable…
puleeese! someone? anyone?
He’s still upset that his alternative keyboard layout never caught on with the masses.
The ONLY reason PC’s have the market share they do is that early on IBM went after the business market, and Apple made the mistake of sticking with the educational market.
Once Apple can break into the business market in a big way, you’ll see a tsunami in home purchases.
I’m sold on Apple and I used to be a Windows-based developer making my living in the PC world. MSFT has a rich history of bug-riddled cr@p that doesn’t live up to their own hype.
Look at Vista – where’s the WinFS that was promised?
It’s getting near the end of the month and his rent is due. Flame bait article only. The amazing thing to me is that with his confession on video about how and why he does this, his advertisers still pay him for the hits he gets.
Dvorak has spoken. I.E. I don’t care.
there’s something particularly delightful about the logic of his argument: i don’t like the way Macs save files because if my computer crashes and i have to find the file again i am not sure i can find it.
Leaving aside the obvious answer (the file is in your “documents” folder inside your “home” folder – sorry if that was confusing for you), any rational person would focus his efforts on choosing a well built computer whose OS is not prone to crashing the system rather than a file saving scheme which “feels” less “mushy.”
This is akin to insisting that your STD-riddled-prostitute use the condom with fewer holes in it. Hey Dvorak – you are focusing your attention on the wrong thing.
/not the greatest analogy
//STD jokes are always funny
It takes years of long practice to be able to speak out of your mouth and butt at the same time.
Why waste time commenting on this guy??? Ooops, I just did, damn!
HEY, MDN! I used to own a Kaypro! Leave them out of Dvoraks psychosis.
I personally will not agree on whatever this OLD guy is saying about computer. Any computer.
I mean.. he must have experienced a lot of MS DOS or even older OS. Of course, he would not feel comfortable with Mac OS with all the beauty and user friendly interface.
Now, people would be very stupid to believe his article or whatever is good or not good for him.
There is a reason why people are so in love with Mac, and hate MS Windows.
Whatever the reason is, i am sure it is not because they listen to an old and close-minded columnist like him.
“I, personally, do not like the Mac—snappy response aside—of the way it feels when saving files. I know this is silly, but I’ve never felt comfortable with it. It was mushy in some weird way that always gave me the creeps. I always felt that if something weird happened on a Mac I would never be able to recover a file. I’ve never felt that way with a PC. I figured that with a PC, I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry,”
If you use a Mac, you don’t have to worry about it.”
Wow! What strange comment! He’d have been better off just saying he didn’t like Macs, but not giving some weird, abstract reason that makes me wonder if he’s currently using narcotics. Taking a hard drive out of Mac is not a big deal – especially a Power Mac or Mac Pro. The beauty is, you’ll probably never need to. His comment is like saying, “I always felt that if my car all of a sudden defied gravity and started flying, I wouldn’t be able to control it.” OK, well yeah, but that’s not likely to happen.
I also thought his comment about right brain art directors was priceless! Because writers aren’t creative people, are they John? Oh, you know what? Actually, most are. Just not you!
Please don’t give him any hits. Unless you see him in person that is.
In a backwards way, he is right. Most people have heard that Macs are better but continue on with the “devil they know”, namely Windows XP. Since Vista is more Maclike they may figure they will have to learn a lot of new stuff anyway so they may as well have the real thing.
That was not his keyboard…. Learn the facts –
He’s got to be kidding. Or eating lead paint chips.
didn’t used to write for MacWorld or MacUser???? c’mon…..he just wanted some Email, dont hit on his website….what a pud
Hillary Clinton uses Viagra for underage sex tours in the Dominican Republic??? Wow, I knew she was bad, but…
Because he has nothing of substance to add to the conversation, he’s just making comments to dis-stinkuish himself from other “journalists.” But, what he says still stinks.
Who is Dvorak?
Seriously.
megame:
Q: “Who is Dvorak? Seriously.”
A?: a cranky man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dvorak
dvorak is a known Apple Baiter
He openly admits he write columns to get reactions from Apple users and lets face it in his line of work that means he gets lots of press like this and makes more money
so just ignore him and his game wont work
he loves to get your back up
Just say.. John who .. ?
This guy Dvorak makes me sound reasonable…
DvORaK = DORK
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Bait back!
When I figure out how, I’ll let you all know. Everyone has a vulnerability.
Perhaps he’d be more comfortable with the unix command line – oops wait, the Mac OS X is the most prolific unix OS ever seen.
Personally, PeeCees always gave me the creeps when saving files – you never knew what obscure subdiretory they would end up in or if the machine could save the file without crashing.
Overall, a very trollish commentary.
However, I think he has a valid criticism of Office ’07 and perhaps vista as well, whcih seem to rely on pictograph icons for everything – but this is a microsoft trend – the Apple UI relies on clearly labelled menus with shortcut keys and actually give you a way to learn the shortcuts, whereas the MS way seems to be to give you a bunch of obscure little pictures and let you dope it out for yourself. Anyone who’s had to use the headers and footers toolbar in MS Word knows what I’m talking about. If this is what he’s criticizing, he’s correct to criticize but clueless as to the origin of the problem, which is, once again, Redmond.
John C. Dvorak is just another person with an opinion. Not much of one, but at least it’s his.
It’s just sad and pathetic, really.
More and more, Dvorak sounds like the tech world’s version of Ellsworth Toohey.
Ok, so I have two PowerMac G4s (only one running), and having had to switch hard drives back and forth between them in order to get one of them running (they were both sans memory and operating system when i bought them, university overstock store), i can tell you it’s ridiculously easy to switch a hard drive in between Macs, even on older ones, not just the new Mac Pros. Having also had to remove hard drives from PCs, I can tell you it’s the exact opposite. It’s a pain in the butt to do, starting with opening the box, which requires you to get a screwdriver into hard to reach places, while my G4, all i have to do is pull a latch, and BLAMO it’s open. Dvorak’s obviously just baiting again. Moron.
he’s a typical critic
those who can , DO
those who can’t , criticise
’nuff said
In the grand scheme of our amazing and beautiful universe, Dvorak’s personal likes and dislikes are no more relevant than mine. Moving on…
Oh, and by the way, I personally do not like more than 3 brussels sprouts with any single meal.
Not that it matters, mind you.
All of the above — but hey, let’s not pick on people because of their age. “Stuck in the past” or “outdated thinking” — fine. Smart & Hip are not the exclusive domain of the young.
Why do so many fools take “prevalent” to mean “popular”?
Microsoft is prevalent, not popular, by virtue of it being licensed for more than one hardware manufacturer, and various bullying backroom dealings, period.
Podster: “I personally do not like Dvorak; his ‘Mac-hating’ qualities may spell his doom’
that is the most, repeat, most blatant, pathetic attempt at flame-baiting that i have ever seen in my entire life. and the sad fact is… some poor pathetic Mac using sucker, albeit with good intentions in an attempt to correct or understandably berate the “dork”, will take the bait… and in so doing will put food on Dvoraks table for another day.
i’ve had it with this sonovabitch… (that’s right his momma was a bitch, there i said it) and from this point forward refuse to read one word of his drivel and bile. if he had a legit criticism that would be one thing but this, this is simply trolling, no- whoring for hits in the most obvious way.
times like this, i really miss Tera Patricks.
Dvorak is right. So far, I’ve seen nothing here posted to refute what he said, other than the usual Mac vitriol and hate-filled insults.
I pray every night, to the Lollypop God, that Dvorak gets riddled with anal cancer. I really hate this jerk face.
That heading should read
‘Windows Vista’s ‘Windows Vista-like’ qualities may spell its doom’
Most of you guys on this board are the equivalent of the lunatic extremist fringe of Islam, only you pray to some line of code instead. Holy moly.
Dvorak is phishing for web hits, no need to send nasty emails his way. Heck, most people I talk to don’t like Windows, but they also think that they don’t have a choice but to use it because they lack good computer using skills or they think it’s a safe bet for them for just getting by.
The definitive statement on J.D. –
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/357.html
For something he hates, he sure spends a lot of column centimeters on it! Any publicity is good publicity.
To use the idiots own words:
“And there is the much-discussed odd nature of the fringe Dvorak lovers who are cultlike and often psycho in their behavior: They see the “Dvork” as an extension of themselves and defend it from criticism with an unpleasant vehemence. They represent the worst kind of irrational no-brainers. Who needs to associate with people like that?
looks like “UH OH” is doing a little baiting of his own…
You guys purport to really hate this guy, and yet you REALLY seem to care about what he thinks. WHY?!
This is hilarious.
So how many people do you know who take a hard drive out of one computer and put it into another? Didn’t the new computer come with a hard drive, and usually a larger and faster hard drive?
The only reason I have ever taken a hard drive out of any computer was to replace it with a larger hard drive.
“Gee, if I wanted to take the fan out of my Mac and put it into another Mac, I just wouldn’t feel comfortable doing it.”
BTW, aren’t Macs far easier to access the internals and add RAM to than PCs?
I’m in a networking group with a guy who builds and services Windows computers. He told me that I made a smart choice in going Mac because he just gets sick of dealing with all the malware on the PC side. And this is from a guy who would lose his house if he couldn’t build and sell PCs!
Of course, he also services them, and even has a new remote anti-virus software service for his customers.
BTW, your typical accountant, attorney, doctor, secretary, purchasing manager, sales person, manager, office employee, and pretty much any other typical computer user would not feel comfortable yanking a hard drive out of ANY computer and putting it into another.
Lots of grandparents swap hard drives, I’m sure.
What an arse.
Please don’t give this guy any hits on his website!
Dont even give him a hit…he is just baiting us
MDN keeps writing about Dvorak cause it creates a lot of hits for MDN…
I cannot believe this guy!!!
I aso cant understand why Leo Laporte insists on having him on as a guest on his Podcasts.
The guy is a joke.
I cannot understand why Leo Laporte insists on having this clown on a guest on his Podcasts.
whatever he says, he just wanna pull more audience to click on his link. Don’t be baited.
@ UH OH
What is your point?
You know all that pap about Macs aside, he made some interesting points about Linux.
IBM Intel & HP banding together and jumping onboard Linux along with Adobe porting apps to Linux could well be a major blow to Microshaft ( and possibly a minor one to Apple)
He’s baiting.
What an ass…
Other than his opinions on the Mac I think he’s right on pretty much eveything else tech wise. Love his podcast Cranky Geeks.
sarcasm
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/sarcasm
Dorkass’ very first sentence is rather curious to me. He states:
The one curious aspect of [Microsoft’s Windows] Vista, which may also spell its doom and mark the end of the road for the most popular OS in the history of the world, is its newest Mac-like qualities.”
CURIOUS? What is curious to him about M$ copying Macintosh? That is all they have ever done!
Ah, but maybe dorkass is just giving microsoft an out. He is already blaming someone else (Apple Macintosh) for the demise of Vista as he states “…may also spell its {Vista’s} doom and mark the end of the road for the most popular OS in the history of the world…”
Very telling!
” I know this is silly, but I’ve never felt comfortable with it. It was mushy in some weird way that always gave me the creeps.”
Good grief, is he describing the inner workings of his own mind?……….
I ain’t giving a single click to Dvorak’s ad sponsers.
Seriously, did Dvorak have a nervous breakdown or something?
This article is WAY off into the giggle weeds, even for him. Talk about psychotic behavior.
This is the classic wreathing of someone who knows they’re on the wrong side of history, yet can’t bring themselves out to admit it. So instead of anything meaningful we get personal insults. Poor John has massive internal conflict, and this is just the smoke rolling out.
Pay no attention to the bum. He’ll either be using Mac or weaving baskets within six months.
Best ignored, Dvorak has dollar bills with Ballmer’s prints coming out of his ass.
After many idiotic articles by this moron I have to admit, he has reached a new low. So low that I think it was deliberate. Deliberate in the sense that he purposely made sure everyone and everything was insulted. A deliberate bait…not very subtle.
A new UL:TRA low..
I do not hate him. I pity him because even PC users would read this and wonder what drugs he was on. I am surprised that his editor would not even challenge him on the stupidity of the article. Indeed his editor is the one you should be made at for allow him to deliberately set a match to the spilled gas.
Sad. One wonders if his son isn’t Zune Tang.
I switched another co-worker to Mac.
He just bought a 17″ iMac to work with his (and his wife’s) iPods.
I’ve gone over to the house to help him move his music and files over and he really knows absolutely nothing about the Mac.
The other day at work I asked how it was working out with the Mac and he just beamed and said, “I know next to nothing, but the little I do know is amazingly great. It’s so easy and it just works. I know lot’s about Windows and I can’t believe I wasted so much time with it.”
No one has been more wrong for more years than Dvorak.
~M
MW- Response (these must be arranged)
Utter and complete nonsense. For someone that has been doing this for some 20 years it must be really embarrassing to have nothing to say and spill out non sequiturs like he does…
He feels something about the Macintosh?
And we, mac users, are the right brained people attached to our machines?
What kind of idiot is this?
What kind of idiot is his boss?
Who could give a fsck about such nonsense?
Oh that Dvorak, what a useless moron…
He got one thing right though: Mac OS X IS the holy grail of operating systems.
I don’t fall for Enderle’s trolls and I don’t fall for Dvorak’s.
I can’t even listen to TWIT anymore because of that bitter old dork. I can’t imagine what Leo sees in him.
“When it comes to the Apple-versus-PC battle, one oft-neglected discussion is that the majority of people do not like Macs. Get over it, it’s true. Hence, Apple’s market share is low. There is no other explanation, although price has always been the rationale.
Man, when Dvorak reaches then end of his life, will he look back and see that his life was full, rich, that he has helped people, and has always (often) chosen the higher path? Will he be able to look back in pride?
But I spose that applies to any FUD generator…
mw: attack
Oh, brother. Dork’s at it again!
First, how does this AH figure that “Most people don’t like the Mac?” Most people have never seen, touched, or tried to use a Mac. Macs are almost always absent from the bulk of places that PCs are sold; so, unless THE WORLD has been trafficking to Apple’s stores, this statement is just a bunch of bunk.
As for Vista, I downloaded that bloated OS and installed it onto a very fast Toshiba Multimedia PC. While it is speedier than XP, it is no speed demon. AND, the UI is NOT Mac OS; it’s NOT XP either. In fact it is just schizophrenic and, as a seasoned Windows user (as well as Mac OS), I can’t figure out how to do most of the tasks that I had no problems doing with XP.
As for trusting files stored on Mac disks vs. Windows disks, PULLLLLLEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZEEEEE. Windows trashes files and disks all the time, and I’ve suffered from this with Windows many times. I’ve never lost a file on the Mac except for the one time that I made a stupid mistake with a 3rd party RAID product.
But then we all know that Dvork’s style is to infuriate the Mac community to drive traffic to his web site to put more $$$$ in his pocket. So the article doesn’t surprise me.
Dvorak, proof positive that the theory of evolution cannot satisfactorily explain how a mutant aberration can think such nonsense yet survive essentially autonomously.
When was the last time someone used the word “foment” in every paragraph of a story? Poor writing? MDN, heal thyself.
Correction! Questions used to abound. Dvorak is an uptight @$$hole who has no common sense, or if he does hides it very well. He is flame bait pure and simple.
Oh, God. Stand back, I’m about to analyze. Here’s it comes.
Oh, my God..here it comes……………drivel………..Oh, God, I’m driveling.
Somewhere among the hundreds of tiny bits of crackers and cheese strewn over my bare chest and belly there is meaning…drivel.
I spread information over the internet like suspect mustard over the white bottom of my watermelon….drivel.
Oh, readers, learn from……drivel….my analysis….drivel…..spew..
I am ….the great.. and wonderful…Dvorak…….drivel….more spew…
This guy should love Apple since most of his publicity comes from Apple bashing. If it wasn’t for Apple he’d be a nobody.
Come to think of it he is a nobody. He is NOT Dr. August Dvorak, inventor of the Dvorak keyboard, his name is John and he’s a big fat smelly egg-head.
what a strange neurotic bird he is….why on earth is he paid for such sophomoric drivel…high school-level writing?
Doom, doom, and thrice be doomed. What is it with this dude and the frickin’ doom? Apple’s doomed, the iPod is doomed, the iPhone is doomed, Steve Jobs is doomed, and now even Vista is ‘doomed’! For cripes sakes dude, give it a rest already, or a least put down the crack pipe and try cracking open a thesaurus every now and then. LOL
John C. Dvorak. Retard.
Dvorak has never been this blatant in his trolling before. Won’t give him my clicks.
Geo, there’s a reason why Apple doesn’t pursue the gamer market. Most games are violent and amoral, like going hunting with Dick Cheney. Apple doesn’t feel comfortable with games whose purpose is to kill as many people as possible. Microsoft has no problem with that apparently. Only in America is violence and mayhem okay, but love is forbidden. I’m with Apple’s position, but of course game software companies can and do write whatever they want.
What is Dvorak talking about? It makes no sense. Is he actually saying that if Windows Vista fails, it is because it is too Mac-like?
> Microsoft has given up on what makes a PC unique.
I don’t think Microsoft has “given up” on Windows being a malware magnet. That “feature” is prominent in Windows Vista.
It’s obvious Dvorak’s left and right brains have run out of things to write about.
Dvorak, I think this lake is fish’d out now. You’re goin’ to either need to find new bait, or a new lake; cause this fish ain’t biten’.
He’s right and you know it. Suck it Apple lemmings.
Your potential. Our passion.
They see the machine as an extension of themselves and defend it from criticism with an unpleasant vehemence.
I wonder what John drives, where he lives, what he drinks, etc ?
These are all “extensions of ourselves” and defending anythone’s preferences would seem silly to him.
Don’t take the bait. leave the troll alone.
What legacy will MDN leave besides delusions of grandeur, pseudo-journalistic garbage, and fanboy pandering?
A small dose of reality for you… you’re only embarrassing yourselves. Maybe one day you’ll get your heads out of your collective apple ass and start over. But let’s not rush things…
the fun part is, that this man Dork-rack only uses his PC as a simple typewriter… and has never ever pushed his PC to the limits… wasting gazillions of cycles each and every second… contributing to global warming with all his hot air.
a DOS-PC or a commodore 64 with som extra cassette-tapes and a black and white monitor is more than sufficient for his work as an drivel-writer! he doesn’t even need the internet; he never researches anything anyhow… and the only mail he gets are from the mac-zealots that can’t stand the urge to comment his drivel!
this man is talking about harddrives that need to be rescued… but how much is there actually to rescue? the amount of text this guy has written throughout his entire career will fit on a few floppy-discs! and none of these words are worth rescuing anyway…
he needs to get real and get a life – find a real job and STFU. looser.
MDN ask:
Which “Mac community,” exactly, likes Windows Vista more than “the PC community?”
ANSWER:
Andy Inatko, and Kevin Rose (Digg.com) mentioned in a recent TWIT podcast that they kind of liked the way Vista felt.
Well, when my Mac crashes (oh, yes, it does) it corrupts my Safari prefs file one of every six or seven times, the same goes with HD corruption that Disk Utility won’t solve but that user-friendly fsck -fy catches, etc. HFS+ is not the most robust FS out there, exactly (looking forward to ZFS).
And the Document folder is useless, as it is used as a pseudo-Preferences one by most apps.
Dvorack slams Vista because Microsoft struggles to imitate OS X. John, Ballmer’s looking for a few good men to lead Microsoft into the 21st century. So, get a real job and put whatever talents you have to work.
Well, I hate to say this, but D-Bag has a point with his drivel. There is a sound reason why he does not like the way the Mac feels. First, let’s look at his age. Dvorak obviously was exposed to the computer in his prime when we still used punch-cards for programming. I also remember cutting my teeth on fortan and cobal (and pascal, basic, and finally objective c). So in this respect, the workflows he grew up using no longer apply in the Mac world and is outside his comfort zone.
Fortunately, the key element of the human psyche is adaptability and it appears that Dvorak does not have the ability to adapt. With that, he is unable to see when a new process or workflow is more efficient and naturally more intuitive, and blindly continues in his comfort zone. Windows, in its initial attempt was smart to maintain those old programming workflows for the segment of computer users (all crappy attempts to copy the Mac experience aside). Besides price difference, it was the workflow continuity that allowed Windows to be so successful.
But that was 20 years ago, this is today, and obviously Dvorak does not get it. We have a new generation of computer users and Apple is tapping into that. MS painted themselves into a corner and can’t get out. But Dvorak cannot see it, so he rants, he whines, he baits, but looking at his history, he has been wrong on every one of his Apple prognostications.
Let him go and let’s move on.
Does Dvorak use a mouse?
huh, target disk, booting from usb or firewire without taking the machine apart, OR just cloning a drive if you DO want to take a mac apart.
John C is just a right brained nut, nothing of interest here, move along….
zunetang, go someplace where peeople care about what your emotional and uniformed drivel.
the most popular OS in the history of the world,
What a useless distinction. That’s like saying ISLAND EMPIRE is the greatest DV feature film in the history of the universe. Good for trolling though.
God almighty, could this guy be any more of a tool? No, scratch that, Dvorak is a fsck-ing tool SHED.
After reading this, I guarantee you that Dvoragel drives an old El Camino. If the same principle applies to his computer, it has to apply to his car.
I watched my dad for years repair all his land cruise vessels, and he never did it for fun. In he long-term, just like a PC investment, he poured money in the trash to have trash. After driving a few junkers myself, my wife and I bought two brand new Hondas with a few bells, and now, looking back, we feel better, we look better, and it is more luxurious and easy to do everyday tasks and I have had absolutely no hassles or worries. The same principle applies to a Mac purchase.
This article is insulting. I’m not insulted by the fact that he doesn’t like the Mac, I’m insulted that he can’t form a cogent argument and yet gets published.
A has low market share therefore people do not like A? That doesn’t stand up to any logical scrutiny at all. He doesn’t like how saving files “feels” on a Mac as opposed to a PC? WTF? Complaining that Mac users see the machine as an extension of themselves, then asking why one would want to associate with such a community? When the only way one might “feel” that buying a Mac would associate one with other Mac zealots is if one saw the computer as an extension of one’s self.
And right/left brain arguments are the stuff of pop-psych naifs.
This guy needs some heavy medication or needs to get his fat ass up and go in to the real world instead of sitting on a computer all day.
The PCMag pays for that guy???
Irrational and psycho? Sounds like he is talking about himself.
What I find so amazing in this is the fact every computer in the world now uses a GUI (well not every), which was popularized by the Macintosh. I don’t care about the old Windows V. Mac arguments because its a dead issue. Whether or not people want to admit it, they are using a Macintosh. Be it the warmed over copy of the classic Mac OS that was Windows up to XP or the Aqua-style of Vista.
But Dvorak, who I believe is some sort of columnist about computers and probably knows more about its history than I, should just accept the fact that while he is still stuck in the glory days of the Windows hegemony with the “easily” switched out parts of the commodity IBM clones and the wonders of the command line of C:\ clearly does not see that the Personal Computer is moving into a new stage in its development. Apple sees it, that’s why they are moving away from relying on their Computer division. I don’t think Microsoft really sees it. Sure the XBOX 360 is moving them away, but it does not make them any money. Whereas, the iPod and soon the iPhone will move Apple into being a company with $20 Billion in annual revenues.
Can we just ignore Dvorak from now on. I can’t even believe I’m expending the energy to type this.
What’s up with the multiple pages for each thread? Is this MDN’s way of doubling and tripling it’s ad revenue at the invconvenience of its visitors? At least give us the option of jumping to the last page directly from the main page.
He is a dope baiter and you look dopey for responding to him.
“I personally do not like the Mac.”
I do not like them with my crack.
I do not like them; I’m a hack.
I do not like them in a box(en).
I do not like them with a fox(en).
I do not like them in my house.
I do not like them; what’s a mouse?
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like my underwear.
I do not like clean UIs and RAM.
I do not like them, Troll-I-am.
Hmmm…..let’s see, bad mouth the holy grail of computers and maybe I’ll get some air time…..that’s it!!!!
This guy needs to go away.
OS2/Warp FTW!!!!!!
As usual, Dvorak is off the mark, going for attention-grabbing sensationalizm rather than journalism.
I’ve never known anyone that liked the pc more than the mac. The only issue of preference always came up around software: either their games, apps, or dev tools that they use only runs on the pc.
This is the next area Apple needs to step up in. The new XCode is supposed to be a vast improvement over the previous version. Boot Camp and Parallels make the software availability issue redundant. But we do need to see more variety in development tools (why the near-religious adherence to Objective C?) or cross platform development tools in order to grow the software for the Mac and thus market share.
After reading this, I guarantee you that Dvorsmack drives an old El Camino. If the same principle applies to his computer, it has to apply to his car.
I watched my dad for years repair all his land cruise vessels, and he never did it for fun. In he long-term, just like a PC investment, he poured money in the trash to have trash. After driving a few junkers myself, my wife and I bought two brand new Hondas with a few bells, and now, looking back, we feel better, we look better, and it is more luxurious and easy to do everyday tasks and I have had absolutely no hassles or worries. The same principle applies to a Mac purchase.
I didn’t click over because I’ve learned that Dvorak is a bozo–even if I agree with his headline, his actual details are ludicrous.
But I sort of agree with the headline. I use both platforms, and I DO NOT want my Windows to be a mac. I want my Windows to be serious and purposeful. I want it businesslike–when means, above all else, FASTER. Instead, MS copies the mac superficially, without any understanding of the purpose behind it.
More than anything, the “serious business” platform shouldn’t be so bloated. MS is so busy copying everyone (not just the mac but also the whole .net thing to take on java)
That said, I remember Dvoraks headline on “this is why Zune will fail”… I clicked over and it was all about the MEDIA kit. Honestly, only a self-absorbed reporter would obsess on the media kit as the last word on a product.
Did I mention: bozo? (If that term is too out of date, let’s bring it back for this guy!)
I once had the motherboard burn out on a G4 tower. Yes, it’s true, Macs are just as prone to electronic malfunction as other electronic items. No, they are not protected by magic.
I got my new tower, removed the internal drive from the old one, inserted it into the second drive of the new Mac, and there were my files. In addition to a second hard drive, I was also able to take the graphics card from the old one, and place it into the new one, for instant dual-monitor capabilities.
There was no trouble in accomplishing any of this. I had no drivers to load, and no problem whatsoever.
MW: Result, as in, what you get with a Mac.
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Since this is the only ethical way I can write to Dvorak and not give him hits, here goes.
John.
Just one question.
Since you said, about the new Mac in 1984, that no one would ever want to use a mouse, have you changed your mind?
One wonders how you would navigate XP or XP SP3 without one but inquiring minds would like to know if you do use one now.
Without giving him a hit, let me see if I can follow the logic here:
1. Since the Mac has a “low” market share (whatever “low” means), this means most people do not like the Mac. (Unsubstantiated conclusion. It could be due to most people not understanding the Mac, not being aware of the Mac, being forced to use Windows by circumstances, etc.)
2. He does not like the Mac because the user experience is too “right brained” or “mushy”, presumably in the sense that the technical underpinnings are not as apparent (Fair enough as a personal preference, but as far as this might be a useful generalization all we need here are his own words: “this is silly”)
3. Because the Mac is too “mushy” for him, that is the reason that everyone else also dislikes the Mac. (Unsubstantiated generalization from 1 instance to all. There could be many reasons for disliking the Mac, such as “It doesn’t run my game I like to play”)
4. Because Windows Vista has some user experience similarities to the Mac, people will dislike it for the same reason they dislike the Mac. (Assertion that two things are basically alike without much evidence)
Wow. Well, might as well sell that Microsoft stock now…
this guy is an idiot. give him zero attention and hopefully he’ll lose his job.
PC Magazine – Suitable for lining bird cages & wrapping fish…
Anyone who would publish this jack-arse has less than ZERO credibility…
> Comment: From: macro Jan 24, 07 – 04:52 pm
> Someone please punch this jackass in the mouth.
> Comment: From: Macaday Jan 24, 07 – 05:16 pm
> Someone put this moron out of his misery…please.
> Comment: From: Robert Ergole Jan 24, 07 – 05:20 pm
> Wonder if he also uses Viagra for underage sex tours in the Dominican Republic.
> Comment: From: someone please! Jan 24, 07 – 05:20 pm
> spam this half witt’s inbox and sign him up to every pron junk mailing list know to mankind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…. any hackers out there? show this twit why his dull box is so unsqushable…
All this on the first page alone. Threats of physical violence; insinuation of sexual misconduct; incitement to damage a person’s computer.
Mr Dvorak expressed criticism of a computer platform. He did not attack any individual in personal terms.
The reactions above, and some others besides, are neither mature nor proportionate.
“When it comes to the Apple-versus-PC battle, one oft-neglected discussion is that the majority of people do not like Macs. Get over it, it’s true. Hence, Apple’s market share is low. There is no other explanation, although price has always been the rationale.”
Which majority of people does he know? Virtually everyone who saw my iBook was hooked. They just fear switching might be complicated and take a loooong time. Or stuff like “does a *.doc work on it?” “can you use an usb-stick?” After playing with it for a day or two they all just gasp that they need to find a job…
@ james ; I won´t even touch him with a clamp!! he´s going down to my colleague in the “cellar”…
a little late to make any new comments to this thread, but here goes…
I had a iBook SE (gray clamshell) that died late one night. I took it to the local mac fixer, who removed the hard disk, connected it to another Mac. Bottom line, I did not loose anything.
Dvorak may mumble about his insecurity…I hope people dont listen…
Dear Mr. Dvorak: I, like you, think it’s fantastic that you can remove the internal drive to work with it somewhere else. This was particularly handy last year when I was forced to reinstall everything on my wife’s ThinkPad hard disk due to an unresolveable DVD driver fault. After some severe negotiations with the Device Manager, and several calls to local PC repair shops, it was decided that the easiest solution was to wipe the drive and start over. There was just one small problem. Windows’ System Restore disk refused to erase the drive. So, rather than wasting any more time trying to convince the Restore disk to do what it’s supposed to do, I put it into an external enclosure (FireWire, of course) and erased the disk using Panther’s Disk Utility. It’s back in the ThinkPad now, and is operating perfectly. Thanks heavens my 7 year old PowerBook was up to this daunting challenge!
Dvorak writes
"I could take the hard disk out and easily put it into another machine and then go exploring the drive without worry."This just a typical Windows guy doing dumb task like windows does….
Mac way :
Get a firewire cable and connect ur Mac to another Mac. Boot in “Target” mode. Voilà ur done… The host Mac lists all ur volumes in its Finder just as if you had connected it internally… For more : How to use FireWire target disk mode?
And no mess of drive names… Windows sucks with using A,B,C,D.. Z in naming drives. Ya i know u can give a volume name in windows… But how many of u windows users actually go ahead and do that??? Ask any Window guy about any file he recollects the exact alphabet
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MDN says :
Perhaps the majority of people do not like Macs because they have no idea what a Mac is or what they're missing? Or because they believe garbage from the likes of Dvorak?Absolutely true…. And because of the myth surround Apple that its product are expensive…. People still believing this myth should watch the Keynote presented during WWDC2006… People have no idea about what they r missing…
It’s true, my breath smells like my ass.