“Apple Computer and Adobe Systems long have been allies in their underdog struggles against Microsoft. But in the aftermath of Apple’s recent shift to Intel chips, some of Apple’s most ardent fans are aiming bitter attacks at Adobe, the maker of Photoshop and Illustrator graphics programs,” Jon Fortt blogs for Business 2.0. “Their assertion: Adobe is taking too long to release a version of its graphics suite that fully utilizes the new Intel chips.”
Fortt reports, “A typical complaint was posted Tuesday on MacDailyNews, a site whose readers tend to be the most loyal supporters of Apple’s Mac platform. ‘Adobe has known about the switch to Intel LONG before the public did, and they STILL don’t have a Universal version of Photoshop,’ wrote a poster identified as mudflapper. ‘If it wasn’t for diehard Mac designers, photographers and retouchers, Adobe wouldn’t even BE here today.'”
“Though the posts on the MacDailyNews site were by no means uniformly critical — several posters defended Adobe — there was a familiar theme to the attacks. Adobe should be working faster, many implied, because loyal Mac users supported the company in the old days when Adobe was struggling. Apple is a powerful company now, and doesn’t have to take this kind of treatment from Adobe. Some have asserted that Apple buy Adobe. Others have suggested that Apple release more of its own graphics programs to compete with Adobe’s dominant offerings,” Fortt reports.
“Apple has the most to lose from the recent sport of Adobe bashing. Apple wants to rebuild its pro desktop business, and to do that it needs the support of strong pro software players. To grow market share, Apple will need to lure Web designers and cross-platform designers to the Mac — many of those folks use Windows now,” Fortt writes.
“They’re just not going to make the switch if the apps they use (such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver and Flash) aren’t supported on the Mac. Adobe gets the sale whether they stay on Windows or make the switch,” Fortt writes. “So Mac fans would be wise to pipe down. Yes, I know it’s frustrating to wait for apps. But sometimes in software, as in politics, diplomacy gets you better long-term results than dropping bombs.”
Full article here.
Pipe down?! Puleeze. Here’s a little business note upfront: Apple Computer. Inc. market value: $67,522,530,080. Adobe Systems, Inc. market value: $21,811,881,140.
Now, in the full article, Fortt seems to severely underestimate the Mac’s market share of the publishing and design markets. Adobe’s Mac customers should never “pipe down” if they are unsatisfied. No unsatisfied customer of any other company should keep quiet or be told to keep quiet, either. The customer is always right (unless you’re Adobe and your customers use Macs). Sorry, but that attitude just doesn’t cut it with us.
Adobe is painfully, obviously, and woefully late with support for Intel-powered Apple Macs. Adobe needs to shut up and start coding. And use Xcode this time.
Hint for Adobe: You should do something meaningful for the Mac users you’ve negatively impacted with your incompetence.
We believe that Adobe isn’t as attentive to Mac users as they should be. It’s up to Adobe to change our minds.
Related MacDailyNews articles:
Adobe manager lashes out at loyal Mac-using customers – October 31, 2006
Adobe Soundbooth audio software released as public beta – October 26, 2006
Apple and Adobe at war? – October 06, 2006
Analyst expects Adobe Creative Suite 3 release on May 1, 2007 – October 04, 2006
How long must we wait for Adobe to produce Universal applications for Apple’s Intel-powered Macs? – August 21, 2006
Adobe CS3 sneak peek shown on Apple MacBook Pro as Universal Binary application – May 25, 2006
Cringely: Apple must replace Microsoft Office, buy Adobe Systems for attack on Microsoft to succeed – April 28, 2006
Adobe CEO: Universal version of Photoshop due in spring 2007 – April 21, 2006
Adobe software engineer explains why Photoshop for Intel-based Macs is taking so long – March 24, 2006
Should Apple buy Adobe as leverage against Microsoft? – December 16, 2005
Adobe prefers (and promotes) PCs over Macs – March 24, 2003
Why do I get the idea that much of this (and other companies) is not about just business, but is also about “one-ups-manship”.
I can just see the execs of each company changing their companies policy just to try and “piss off” the CEO of Apple or other companies.
They don’t do that for MS cause MS does not care about customers at all, and they know they can buy the government off, so they just act nasty.
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I wish Apple would just buy Adobe already.
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MDN is run by children. Could you use the word beleaguered more, please?
just buy the damn company!!! You think PC users will be pissed when 10.5 comes out. Try Apple Photoshop!!!!! Better software for less. I like the sound of that
The problem with a rat race is that even if you win, you’re still a rat.
The problem with loyalists is that they would blame anyone other than the company to which they are loyal to.
This goes for both Adobe and Apple.
w00t Mudflapper!! you got quoted dood!! w00t! 😀
Fact: “Adobe is painfully, obviously, and woefully late with support for Intel-powered Apple Macs.”
Solution: Adobe “should do something meaningful for Mac users.”
Bravo, MDN!
MDN: Well said.
Now, say the same thing to Apple – it’s far more important that Apple quit their full charge into mediocrity on a mission to increase their tiny market share by a lousy few percentage points.
Their course is that of disaster, not, as Steve wishes it was, a serious threat to become much more than they are.
And, what they are is superior to all others as long as they remain committed to superior products, performance and customer service.
A free Universal update to the current Adobe CS that we already purchased would be nice, but Adobe isn’t going that route.
So, Adobe should offer significant discounts for the Universal Mac version of CS when it’s finally released.
Adobe could write it off as a “late fee.”
I agree with the MacDailyNews Take 1,000,000%.
dayum MDN i just read your “take”. you guys used bold and everything omg.
It’s not like this is new news. Adobe told us last year that we wouldn’t see CS3 until early 2007. Why everyone suddenly got their panties in a bunch now? I mean, the quad Mac Pro runs PS just a fast as PPC even under Rosetta
There has to be a photoshop competitor alive in one of the back rooms at Apple. Leveraging Core technologies, it’s probably easier to use, too.
If Adobe would “do something meaningful,” I’d think a lot more highly of them that I do right now.
MDN MW: “simple” – It’s simple, Adobe, do the right thing. Satisfy your customers.
Asking MDN to “pipe down” is patently ridiculous.
Especially as MDN is right.
Adobe sucks and treats Mac users like doormats.
I think i remember reading that :
50% of the Photoshops sold are Mac versions.
So the company that has 5-10% of markest share (apple) is buying half of the Adobe PS suites. Time to start showing support , Adobe.
Like Q? said, Adobe informed users far in advance that there would NOT be universal CS3 until early 2007 so quit complaining. Adobe needs to transition to Xcode, there are tons of lines of code AND they need to add new features so shut up and let the engineers do their work to create a stable release.
Agree totally with MDN.
Why does Photoshop take so long to launch on my MacBook Pro Intel Core Duo 2.16GHz with 2GB RAM?
Because it’s ancient code running in a Rosetta translator, that’s why.
It’s amazing that Adobe still hasn’t released a solution. I see plenty of other large software developers with Universal Binaries already out.
repost. Said it before, I’ll say it again, Adobe is pushing too hard for mac users to be reasonable and settle for their craptacular attention to the Mac platform
George Bernard Shaw once observed that reasonable men conform themselves to the world. Unreasonable men expect the world to conform to them. Therefore, any and all progress is the result of unreasonable men.
This isn’t the first time Adobe has hung Mac users out to dry waiting for photoshop. How long did we wait for a native OS X version?
Adobe wanted Mac users to be “reasonable” and keep using and buying the OS 9 version. They took long enough to get an OS X version out the door you would think they had already cleaned up the crappy code. Yet here we are again, Strung out waiting, being told we need to be ‘reasonable’ while Adobe tries to get its act together.
Come on Adobe, get off your lazy butt and start conforming yourself to the world of crazy, hostile, zealots who are waiting to pad your bank accounts with millions of dollars for a decent product that will run natively on our computers.
Can Adobe really afford to alienate 30-40% of their loyal customer base? Can they afford to let rising in market share Apple develop a pixel-editor app to fill the void left by the non-intel native photoshop?
Can they really stand by and watch their flagship product go by the wayside like the also ran Premiere after Final Cut Pro came out?
Was this Hillary in disquise writing this article? Pipe down???
Take the diplomatic approach?? Let’s not made Adobe mad, now folks. (shuddering)
Fact…core image, core video, core animation, and core audio is an above modern day approach that literally eats Adobe’s lunch.
In a few years, it will be…Adobe who?? Flash is the only leverage they have long-term, and it’s technology stemmed from a cool little Mac program called Futurewave SmartSketch around eight years ago.
What a joke for an ending paragraph summarization in this article.
Let’s take the diplomatic approach with North Korea, too.
You simply cannot negotiate with a rattlesnake!!
Okay, so Adobe informed us that they would be incompetent and make loyal customers wait 18+ months, so it’s all okay. Everyone stop complaining.
Bullshit.
MDN is right.
Adobe is wrong.
Apple should buy Adobe and start discontinuing apps for Windows.
Microsoft would never be able to replace the apps fast enough – they can’t even come close to copying Mac OS X after 5+ years of work. Good luck whipping up a Creative Suite replacement.
Pull the trigger Mr. Jobs. It’s time.
Spoken about as well as Donald Rumseld:
“So you ought to just back off, take a look at it, relax….”
No we won’t back off, relax, or be quiet.
“We will not be silenced!” Give us Universal Binaries!
Personally, I’ve been sick of Adobe for awhile now.
Their apps are bloated and they don’t give a shit about the Mac-using customers.
I rarely post, but I have to say I agree completely with the MacDailyNews Take.
What’s Adobe going to do to make their unsatisfied customers happy?
I may be in the minority, but I think Adobe’s decision to work on the next version of CS, rather than devote time and manpower to re-coding older products is the right move. I have one intel Mac along with my G4 and G5. I find that Photoshop on the intel runs fine under Rosetta for the moment (doing graphics for video).
I understand that for designing Posters it may be slow, but I would rather get CS3 quicker.
?what?…
Yeah, that totally surprised me. Hope I didn’t come off too angry.
But really, a free Universal Binary patch would’ve been so nice. Just a little gesture of goodwill to Adobe’s loyal Mac customers. Shoot, even Aspyr has been releasing free UB updates to old-ass games. Now there’s a company that loves the Mac platform and it’s users.
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Here is the problem
Adobe certainly doesn’t intentionally want to p-off Mac users, they had a huge task retooling their development from CodeWarrior (I believe) to Xcode, they had/have to now maintain two development strategies one for Windows & one for Mac (too bad apple doesn’t extend Xcode to build Win apps).
And heres the rub, the perception of the Mac “faithful” that they have been slighted, is not good for Adobe, peoples perception are their reality, and this is the issue that Adobe has to address.
If Adobe is astute as I believe them to be they will address the delay, albeit likely with marketing hype they will introduce a better than windows application to placate the Mac faithful.
just my thoughts
MW: wish, as in I wish!
I agree with every single word:
“Adobe is painfully, obviously, and woefully late with support for Intel-powered Apple Macs. Adobe needs to shut up and start coding. And use Xcode this time. Hint for Adobe: You should do something meaningful for the Mac users you’ve negatively impacted with your incompetence. We believe that Adobe isn’t as attentive to Mac users as they should be. It’s up to Adobe to change our minds.”
“Yes, I know it’s frustrating to wait for apps. But sometimes in software, as in politics, diplomacy gets you better long-term results than dropping bombs.”
This little quote gives me cause to use the eff word here, which I’ve only done once before on MDN, but let’s just say, for now, that it seems that most Adobe using Macsters are not being fooled or bullied for one moment.
Yes, -sometimes- in politics diplomacy can get you somewhere, but in software sales blackmail will never work, at least not with Macintosh users. I recommend and approve software products for Macintosh on our production line, and thankfully most of our production line only uses Adobe products as supplimental software for FCP, Motion, et. al. I absolutely guarantee you that I will not ever recommend further purchases of any Adobe produts unless it is ABSOF@#!INGLUTELY necessary. Several points on our video production line are already experimenting with open source tools to see how fast development is progressing, and ultimately to find out if we can transit completely away from Adobe products within the next year or two.
America is a free market, and no one strong arms me into any product for any reason. Good luck Adobe. –And congradulations on the MS Most-Arrogant-of-the-Year Award.
Adobe is always late these days. InDesign itself too forever to get out the door. Setting us loyal Adobe PageMaker users up for all kinds of shit from pre-press people and other layout issues.
Adobe let Quark beat the pants of them esp. with Q’s v4 in pre-press ease and we were literally forced by print shops to switch to Quark or told our jobs would pay more for our jobs to be output. So we switched and for THREE years we languished in the poor user interface that is Quark-land. FINALLY, with InDesign 2 I was able to show pre-press some solid reasons we could return to Adobe. By CS2 everyone on all sides could see the improvements and advantages, and Quark was so far behind with OSX, it was they who were at a disadvantage.
Now it’s back to Quark getting on the ball faster than Adobe. If anything, that alone should put Adobe to shame. Same ying and yang went with Illustrator and Freehand.
For all the loyalty from way back when their products were Aldus, and the hundreds of copies I have sold for them by convincing switchers from Q. to ID and Freehand back to Illustrator, they owe me a damn upgrade faster than this. And that has nothing to do with Apple as a company. It’s a “do the right thing” ON TIME for your loyal base of Mac users who’ve stood by you products since the ’80’s before WinDUHZ was even IN the picture!
who cares if adobe announced cs3 months ago? that mitigates nothing. they’ve dropped the ball & seem to be in no hurry to pick it up.
why is this topic so unusually tense “all of a sudden”? because adobe has us backed in a corner. there’s nothing we can do & we’ve been stewing about it for months.
i’d love to vote with my dollars & tell adobe to drop dead, but i can’t, dammit!
Adobe needs Apple. A number of years ago Microsoft bought Expression, a Mac & Windows app from Creature House. It has since morphed into a new line of products aimed directly at the core of Adobe’s business model. With the launch of Vista and Office, they are also going after the other part of their business- the PDF standard.
http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/default.mspx
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/FX100487411033.aspx?pid=CL100571081033
Adobe cozies up to Micro$oftopoly at the risk of becoming the next Corel or Netscape- losing the markets that they once defined.
Adobe Systems, Inc. market value: $21,811,881,140.
If you were to split out th eMac portion of Adobe’s business, then $9.3 Billion of the above is attributable to Mac users.
For me, that’s enough argument for Apple to either buy Adobe, or compete with them.
Actually, I’ll refresh a fun story that I heard several years ago from a friend of mine who was on the QuickTime team.
I think it was NAB ’98. Apple and Adobe were both at NAB. Apple was showing Adobe Premier in it’s booth. Adobe was showing Premier as well. However, Adobe’s booth was full of Windows machines. Not a Mac in sight.
From what I understand, Apple people approached the folks at Adobe and asked them if they would show a Mac running Premier in their booth. Apple even agreed to provide the Mac. Adobe said no. It turns out that Adobe had signed some agreement with Microsoft that they would not show Macs running Adobe software in return for marketing dollars from Microsoft. Microsoft does this with other companies, too. So it would have cost Adobe alot of money to show a Mac running Premier in their booth because they’d have probably ended up sacrificing tens of thousands of dollars worth of co-marketing money.
“With friends like these, who needs enemies?” thinks the Apple people. That’s when they bought Final Cut from Macromedia.
You whiners are pathetic. I bet that the ones crying the loudest are teens who don’t even own legal copies of CS2.
CS2 runs fine on MacIntels. Sure, I’m excited about CS3, but Adobe’s been up front from the start.
I’d rather have rock-solid Photoshop than a shaky, rushed-to-market version.
OK, go ahead and throw yourselves into a lather, boys!
I’ve been hearing “Apple should buy Adobe” for at least five years, and I place that idea in the same category as “Apple should buy SGI/Sun/Whatever”.
Buying Adobe would take a huge amount of Apple’s equity, and it would make Adobe’s founders some of the largest AAPL shareholders. I don’t know about you, but I really don’t want to see Geschke and Warnock holding more AAPL shares than SJ.
Apple could completely replace Adobe’s product lineup for a whole lot less than 21 billion dollars. If Apple put out an image editor based on Core Image and Shake, it would blow Photoshop away in capabilties, and probably cost less than $10M to get out the door (development and marketing costs).
I think that the question Apple ProApps should look at very hard, is “will people buy an image editor that takes full advantage of our platform?” and if so, go ahead and write it. It’s been obvious for many years that such an app isn’t going to come from Adobe any time soon.
-jcr
I haven’t read any reports when Adobe plans to release a version of Photoshop for al Intel-based Macs. One might infer that there is no plan at Adobe to release a Universal version of Photoshop.
Still, I don’t use Photoshop. My gripe is waiting for a Universal version of DiskWarrior.
Final Cut has already killed Premiere. Let slip the Photoshop killer!
Adobe can suck it.
Apple’s pro apps all beat Adobe at its own game. By alienating Mac users, Adobe is only inspiring Apple to offer superior products for Macs only. For example, Aperture gives an entire generation of Intel Mac users a superior alternative to Photoshop for digital photographers needs. Apple’s pro video apps kick arse over the toys Adobe sells. Now Adobe thinks it can jump into the music scene without supporting PowerPC Mac users. I wonder if Photoshop CS3 will be Intel only…
I haven’t read any reports when Adobe plans to release a version of Photoshop for al Intel-based Macs. One might infer that there is no plan at Adobe to release a Universal version of Photoshop.
Adobe has confirmed CS3 will be universal, and Photoshop is part of CS.
maczealot:
http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/09/18/adobe.previews.ps.cs3/
maczealot,
Amen brother. Diskwarrior saved my G5’s ass at work, just yesterday. If the drive acts up on my Intel iMac at home, I’m hosed.
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I hope apple will drop a big software turd on adobe, a major upgrade to iPhoto and a pro version. I feel it’s in the pipe.
We are all just zealots.
Hint for Adobe: You should do something meaningful for the Mac users you’ve negatively impacted with your incompetence.
I dont care about native apps as much as it really hacked me off the way they totally screwed people who owned the Macromedia suite when it came time for upgrades.
My MW should be ‘gouge’.
apple would like nothing more than for another software company to come along and develop a viable competitor to photoshop.
the only problem is theres not much happening as far as i can see.
apple want people to use their OS, they want to concentrate on developing the OS and making great harware products too, they really dont want to have to develop pro level apps for every god damn market as well.
theyve done it where its needed to be done – final cut for example. the market was open, and adobe was lagging in its innovation of affordable video editing software.
i just dont think they want to do the same for graphics apps.
the video editing game was a different story when apple entered it and took it over basically, it was an industry dominated by big-money, purpose built equipment, very expensive avid machines etc.
the print and web industry is totally different.
i really believe apple would rather software developers do their thing. Apple must be pissed at adobes poor showing though. how long before they say ‘ok lets do this thing our way !! ‘
And I would love to see them blow the doors off photoshop without so much as a warning. de ja vu Premier.
It’s rather unfortunate that there are some people in Adobe who give the impression that they are doing Mac users a favour by dealing with them at all. It’s happened with more than one of their product ranges and has happened for a number of years, so it’s not merely a one-off unfortunately phrased comment.
They have much to learn about dealing with customers. If you don’t treat your customers well, those customers won’t stay loyal when circumstances change.
People whose families were killed by exploding automobile gas tanks, and those who simply bought expensive lemons should pipe down because loud, peristant carping could eventually hurt sales, thus threatening the jobs of thousands and, in turn, the economy.
In other news, Japanese motorcycle manufacturer Honda plans to export cars to North America. What an exercise in futility that will be. However, not to be outdone, Japan’s Datsun and Toyota outlined plans to do so, as well. It takes a special kind of nerve (some would say madness) for Japan to take on all the might of Detroit.
I predict this Japanese “competition” will have met its match in under a year. You read it here first.
Come on guys, chill. This is CS3 we are talking about. Making it UB and also adding new features… It’s not like CS3 is available for Windows now anyway. Also, it is a bit unfair to put the blame on Adobe, when it was Apple and the PowerPC chip maker who can’t iron out the problem with G5 chips.
The suggestion of Apple buying Adobe is just absurd. I was really disspointed when Apple decided to make Aperture obsolete on PowerMac G4, but I can run Motion just fine with realtime effects on my G4? Thank god there’s Lightroom. Don’t you agree?
God bless Apple and Adobe.
Adobe has been in bed with Microsoft so long the’re confused that Apple users are like Winduhs users who will blindly and contentedly wait for YEARS for an upgrade (and then only upgrade only when forced to when it does come out).
Yes, Apple has us spoiled. We like our upgrades on time and in sync with the rest of what we’re using. That’s what we’re accustomed to on this platform. Probably why we’re more demanding than others.
MDN magic word: “example” as in Apple sets the example for the rest of the world.
“God bless Apple and Adobe.”
Well, why not? God’s a corporate fascist. If He isn’t, then He has limits.
LISTEN TO ME!! INSIDE KNOWLEDGE!!!
It’s NOT Adobe’s fault, it’s Microsoft’s!!!
With the Apple switch to Intel processors, Adobe is now going to make one build of CS3 with just the slight tweaks to make it run on either Mac O X or Windows Vista.
Since Microsoft has been dragging their ass with Vista it has hampered Adobe’s work at CS3.
So it’s a double edged sword, the longer Vista takes to ship the more Windows users consider a Mac, however CS3 gets delayed.
UNDERSTAND NOW?
By the way CS2 runs decently under Rosetta on a Mac Pro, laptops always suck for performance apps anyway, always have.
So now you know the truth, quit Adobe bashing.
Dopes! You people have NO IDEA what it takes to change software as complex as Adobe’s apps. And no, Adobe did NOT know about the Intel switch before we did. That’s a stupid assertion that belies an ignorance of Apple’s secrecy.
I have a Mac Pro and the Creative Suite works just fine for the most part on it. Bridge only likes to be quit using the pull-down menu. But that’s abou the only issue I can think of. Photoshop is defniitely slower than on my previous Quad G5. But it’s more than usable. And I look forward to a major speed-up when CS3 comes out. But stop making us Mac users look like idiots!!!!!!!
What a bunch of nut cases.
Jack
I hope you see the irony of your post.
Also, what is this “MacDailyNews” they are quoting? Anyone ever heard of it?
Ya’ll are crazy about Apply buying Adobe. Do you really think that they want to be in the business of making Windows software? Lots of windows folks use Adobe, you know…
If you remember, PhotoShop – Adobe’s flag ship program- was the last Adobe program to go OS X native. Why? Because (unlike their other programs that went first) there IS no serious competitor for PhotoShop. So why would Adobe care?
I love PhotoShop, but Adobe needs some competition and they should stop treating Mac users like we should be grateful they are supporting us at all.
And there are those of us who would settle for a Universal version of Photoshop Elements — I’m not on a Mac Pro Quad or anything close, just a Core Duo iMac. And I’m getting tired of staring at the watch when I’m waiting for my adjusted pictures to render…
Morris,
yes I agree with the idea of buying Adobe, but not of discontinuing the software for MS PC’s
If that happened, MS would discontinue Office for Macs, and despite Boot Camp
(et al) that would damage Apple.
I could imagine that Apple and MS have a ‘gentlemen’s’ agreement not to get into a ‘sanctions war’. Because in such wars, both sides tend to lose.
Although my mw is ‘attack’
Once Adobe’s Acrobat Development Suite Mac version has feature parity with the Windows version, then I’ll quite down.
Did you know that there’s a development suite called ‘Adobe Lifecycle Extensions’ that is only developed for Windows, with a Mac version nowhere to be seen?
What it does is this:
You create a form in say, InDesign and export it as a PDF.
With Adobe Acrobat Professional (Mac version) you can add text input areas to the form, drop down multiple choice menus etc that another person can input their data into. You can also put clickable buttons on the form which can do almost any action, in this case, a button which, when pressed automatically attaches the form to an email, ready for emailing.
The idea being that you could post this form on a web site, and use it to capture data from anyone with a browser.
But, (and here’s the killer), your customer cannot add information to these forms with Adobe Acrobat Reader (which is free), you need Adobe Acrobat Professional.
Now, it’s a lot to ask every one of your customers to buy Adobe Acrobat Professional just to fill in a form, but this is where the Acrobat Lifecycle Extensions come in.
These extensions allow you to make any PDF form temporarily editable by the free Adobe Acrobat Reader, so your customer can fill in information (on that form only) and send it to you, just as if they had the Professional version of Acrobat.
But as I said, IT’S ONLY AVAILABLE FOR WINDOWS.
I now have to buy the Windows version of Acrobat, and run it through VPC just to add these features. Pathetic.
There’s no point in complaining though, because Adobe have no competition now.
CRASH! crash! (this is Fireworks – an Adobe product – on my MacBook Pro tonight) Crash! Crash! Crash! (etc.) Need I say Adobe deserves a wet-noodle whippin?
Please stop whining! At first i didn’t want to bother but i have to get this of my chest and in to some thick skulls around here. This once again proves that Mac users are ignorant and arrogant people with no personality other then their Mac. Look further d*mmit then some attention starving inciting Apple vs Adobe article.
Bashing down on Adobe for not delivering the tools you need, but why? Because the other Mac-users are doing it? Because you assume you know how Apple and Adobe disclosed this deal? Don’t be a sheep. It is you and only you who made a stupid decision when you bought a Intel Mac only because your holy leader Steve said so, NOT because you actually needed it.
If you’d paid attention you did know that Adobe made a clear statement about how and when they are going Universal. And you know that your ‘old’ G5 runs the tools where your waiting for ‘insanely’ fast, hell even the latest G4 will do the job smoother then Rosetta on a Quad. And you should know that transitions are always painfully and eventually pay off, and as a sidenote i believe that this one is the smoothest transition ever. You also might know that the hardware transition to Intel went a lot faster then first projected by Steve Jobs. Suppose it went like Steve <strike>lied to</strike> told us you could buy a Mac Pro at the end of this year and have all Adobe tools within half a year, hows that for a fast transition. But things went a lot faster for Apple on the hardwareside because Apple knows how to keep their shareholders happy and knows where the money is and its not with you guys, its the home-user not the pro-user.
So instead of bashing down on Adobe you should learn how to support a difficult transition like a fan and not make it even more difficult for the other guy who is working his *ss of to get the product out. People really have no clue these days other then demanding instead of paying attention.
So once again, it proves a lot of Mac users are ignorant, arrogant and your personality stops when you pull your magsafe plug out.
Cheers, Cheyenne
Proud user of a iMac G4, iMac Core Duo, Macbookpro, AMD Athlon X2 4200, Intel MacMini and not buying a Mac Pro yet because Steve told me too
you guys bitch about Photoshop taking forever. Ever heard of After Effects? When do you think AE will be UB native, huh? My guess is early 2008. Really makes me admire companies like Maxon (C4D) or Luxology (Modo) who have some massive complex code – but still come out with a perfectly working UB version within 2-3 weeks after the Intel switch was announced.
According to an Adobe blogger who wrote… what…about 8 months ago…that the reason they are taking so long with CS3 is because Photoshop has a truckload of code that was written for the old Motorola 68K chips!!
Apple provided an emulator when they went to the Power PC, so Adobe didn’t have to do much work to get Photoshop to PPC. Later on, they were again able to Carbonize Photoshop for PPC versions of Mac OS X without a lot of recoding.
Unfortunately, this time around, that hairball, cobwebby mess of undead code won’t just recompile for Intel-based Macs. Adobe basically has to recode from their bloatware from scratch, something they should have done, at the latest, for CS2.
Instead, it’s now supposedly Apple’s fault for not providing a cheap and easy way for Adobe to port the whole rat’s nest of 1980’s code to Mac OS X on Intel.
http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/03/macintosh_and_t.html
Adobe caused this problem with it’s own commitment to laziness and mediocrity. If they lose 1/2 their Photoshop customer base, it will be their own fault. Apple gave them fair warning what was coming down the pike, otherwise Adobe wouldn’t have been on stage with Steve Jobs, declaring their quick allegiance to Mac OS X Universal.
I own and run the top photography studio in our area. I can report that I DON’T KNOW A SINGLE PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER that uses Aperture. Aperture just doen’t make sense. I have 7 macs, own aapl stock, love Apple Computer, but Aperture is a loser.
Apple should have bought Binuscan’s Photo Retouch Pro four years ago, (which runs in OSX) develop the crap out of it, and now Apple would have a Photoshop killer. Another company or program they should have bought is Phase One/Capture One.
It has been a while since Adobe did anything inspiring. They have been very boring and geeze my 1yr old PowerMac boots faster than Photoshop or Illustrator launches.
I think it is clear that the code for these apps are a mess.
Rabid Dog, That’s the dumbest thing i think i’ve ever read on this forum.
Don’t be surprised if you hear that CS3 will be Intel only. But would it really matter?
I must confess that I’m addicted to Photoshop/Illustrator and am apalled at the price of these apps. Apple buying Adobe means throwing a huge amount of money [“goodwill” value] down the drain. Products this expensive have a finite future, but so far, we’ve seen no competition. I will pay the piper for the next suite, but I would like nothing more than to pay a lot less for the same functionality. Alas, that would break the “you get what you pay for” equation, unless a lot of pirate users are encouraged to pay the cheaper price.
Buy Adobe? I can live with that. Compete with Adobe? If they can [find a way around all the Adobe patents], why not? Lose Photoshop/Illustrator type applications for the Mac? That…I can’t live with.
“the customer is always right”
Bullsh1t! Isn’t MDN the site that keeps telling everyone that the customer ISN’T always right? Steve knows best! Even when he’s giving customers everything BUT what they ask for.
Adobe did announce in advance that it would take them awhile to release a universal version of Photoshop, et.al. In other words, they basically admitted that they had been dragging their heels for quite a long time and would need another big chunk of time to catch up. Fine. Stupid, but fine. Apple’s star is seriously on the rise and Adobe would do well to buy a ticket before the train pulls out of the station.
“Don’t be surprised if you hear that CS3 will be Intel only. But would it really matter?”
With all due respect, what a ridiculous question! If one assumes that Adobe intends to make meaningful improvements to the next version of the Creative Suite, how can it “not really matter” if these improvements are only available to the relatively small percentage of Photoshop users who own Intel-powered Macs? Far from being “early adopters,” many creative professionals are very hesitant to upgrade their hardware until it’s absolutely necessary. They have their “work flow” and that is what’s most important to them. Nor are the CS apps used only by working professionals. Photoshop and Illustrator also have a huge following among creative home users, most of whom buy new computers only when the old one breaks. They’ll go elsewhere if Adobe leaves them out in the cold and, in the long run, that would definitely be Adobe’s loss.
Apple was stupid not to disallow Adobe to port over all the apps they developed exclusively for Macs to Windcrap!
This is how all the Windows asses can feel like having a Mac.
Without all the apps ported over by M$ and Adobe, the Windblowers would still be stuck in WordPerfect hell!
What a joke!
If Adobe is so set on keeping Mac users then why do they offer two versions of the Creative Suite? The Windows version contains LifeCycle Designer 7.0 – a powerful interactive forms creation tool – while the Mac version doesn’t? The 30-day trial of the Windows version of CS 2 contains Acrobat; the Mac version doesn’t. Seems that Adobe will continue to favor the Windows slugs.
Adobe is taking their time on purpose.
They purposely do things to hurt that Mac, but they make it so it’s not blatantly obvious. Essentially they’re angry with Apple for dipping into “their” space and this is how they punish them. Not only does it hurt Apple’s bottom line but it keeps Apple from releasing products that directly compete with Adobe. Apple releases Final Cut Pro and Adobe kills Premier.
You can try to use the argument that Microsoft is a bigger threat to Adobe by tackling some products at the heart of Adobe. However, think about this, Microsoft hasn’t turned out too many stellar media applications of late and therefore don’t represent a meaningful threat. Apple on the other hand is known for turning out killer software and represents a substantial threat, especially since so many media professionals use Macintoshes.
So Adobe is being smart and tactful. I don’t like it more than anyone else, but this is how it is.
So it’s Adobe’s fault that Apple changes between processors and operating systems every few years?
You guys are lucky Any one’s still writing software for the Steve Jobs Platform Changing Circus known as the Mac.
But with Boot Camp and Parallels, now there’s not so much requirement to do that. Developers can now code and test for one OS that has at least managed to maintain forward compatibility with processors and APIs, while still addressing the Mac market.