Two images that are purported to be “Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard screenshots” are available on the “Trinity Rubicon” blog. Labeled “Finder & Internet Explorer” and “Desktop Switcher” the reader speculation below the images runs the gamut from “cool” to “obvious Photoshop fake” with nary a vote for Gimp.
We assume that, if real, the discontinued-on Mac “Internet Explorer” shows a Windows application running seamlessly in Leopard. Have Apple and the Darwine folks been working together? Or is Mac OS X’s long-rumored “Red Box” for natively running Windows applications actually being used in the images?
See them here.
MacDailyNews Take: What do you think? Trinity Rubicon’s back catalog seems to consist of just this one “Leopard Screenshots” post. Based on the definitions of “Trinity” and “Rubicon,” are these actual images of a triple-threat (Mac, Linux, Windows) Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 that proves Apple’s bound and determined to cross the point of no return?
[UPDATE: 6/24: The author of the screenshots has admitted to faking them. More info here.]
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Photoshop.
OH SHIAT!
Real or Not?
Whatever…
Tabbed Finder Windows would be a logical and fantastic feature.
goatse!
Is it still worth bundling Internet Explorer for Mac considering its age?
I guess so since it still does work with some M$ centric web sites.
Real
Photoshop
Real!
I don’t know what to think, coffee hasn’t kicked in yet.
The main thing for me is that Windows is sandboxed completely, with not even read/write ability to the HFS+ Mac OS X partition, definably no root access. Mac OS X would be the gatekeeper and overseer.
With exploits happening almost on a daily basis with Microsoft products, even OfficeMac isn’t immune, this is the only way I would even consider running their code.
I would also like the ability not to see Windows when running Win apps, unless I needed it to.
My artistic eyes just can’t stand the mediocre and depressing interface.
One more thing, if I need full Windows performance, I should be able to get it easily and it the interface should be seamless. I should also be able to run other OS’s like Linux, DOS etc with the same ease, grace and seamless operation.
Should a OS partition get compromised or corrupted, I should have the ability to jettison it easily and rebuild it from a encrypted partition in just two clicks. Diddo for Mac OS X.
Fake.
No version / build number on OS X.
Why would Apple include information about Windoze on the about pane ? Why not Linux ?
The switching effect is too ugly for Apple.
Looks fake to me.
Dammit Bill, it’s photoshop!
address book and ical as one application?… nice…
Good old Photoshop…
@bjh, Apple would include the version of Windows, Vista is coming soon remember. And to Apple, Linux doesn’t even exist. I’m not saying it’s real, I think it’s bullcrap.
bjh: to quote a reply from the original link: “in recent builds of Mac OS X you click the version number and it cycles through the build and serial numbers.”
kirktalon:
goob – that’s IE for WINDOWS.
This is proporting to show…
1. 10.5 is going to have native support for running windows apps side-by-side with Mac apps. Think Classic, but not for Mac OS 9, but rather, Windows.
2. desktop switching, tho i’ll bite my dog if they were to keep the portal-o-death switching metaphor.
3. Brushed Metal is DEAD DEAD DEAD! Sorry guys, i was eating some weird new spiced tofu at the time i came up with brushed metal.. i’ve mended my ways.
4. the lack of “dink-dink’s” at the bottom of the colum view separators means that i’ve finally gotten them to fix the damn problem with odd-sizing, and is now doing some kind of smart sizing… and its about damn time.
– the other steve jobs
bkh:
Before you get smug and all “i know it all” on us, know what you’re talking about.
build numbers don’t show up in the “About this Mac” window unless you click on the version number. Its been this way since DP 4.
why you posted this both on the site page and here just makes you look twice as DOH!
-the other steve jobs
Well, it’s fake. Core Duo only support DDR2 SDRAM
This would fit perfectly with the Intel patent mentioned previously – Windows apps running like Citrix windows and unable to affect/infect the MacOS. The big question that remain is still: can it use the graphics card at full speed?
The other big issue (if the screenshots are not fakes) is the virtual desktop capability. For those 80-90% of us who don’t care for Windows, this is the big new feature. Notice the (1) change to a (2) in the menu bar presumably allowing for as many virtual desktops as you have RAM for. SUN has this in Solaris with 4 by default (correct me if wrong) and it is great. I only hope it works for PPC folks too.
If true this is HUGE for:
• Education
• Web designers
• Mac orphans in PC-shops (me)
• Programmers and testers (me)
• Corporate standard-operating-environments
• Bleeding-edge adopters
• Virtual-server operators (think racks of X-Servers running anything all at the same time for multiple clients each protected from one another)
Magic word ‘whether’ as in, with Leopard the whether is looking sunny.
If this is fake, then someone has a ton of extra time and intuitive thought to make something only for the purpose to get all us
Mac folks in a tizzy. This same person should be using his talents to make extra income instead. I would like to believe this is real.
if photoshopped, very well done. there are a lot of details that lead me to believe otherwise though.
1)the slash button next to the cog wheel button on the finder.
2)the boot camp icon in the menu bar.
3)the number encircled in the menu bar changes, perhaps signifying which desktop is being used?
4)address book icon includes a date, perhaps ical has been merged with it?
5)the CoreWindows Tab in the finder menu through the peep hole.
6)no artifacts on the menu bar/dock from the peep hole effect.
1, 4, and 5 are too well thought out, in my opinion, to be a a fake.
I’ve been wrong before though.
Yeah;
latestpics.tgz
Lol!!!
Oh, and they’re PhotoShopped because NO ONE uses IE
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(MW “Research”, as in they should have done some and ran Safari)
Last time someone proomises 10.5 screenshots, I encountered the Leap A malware
I call fake
The hole to reach the second desktop might look cool, but would but terrible and annoying to use. iCandy is good but not if you get annoyed by it
I dont want IE on my desktop ever
Internet explorer there is IE 7 Beta. Probable fake
I like the Tabbed finder browser windows- real or not.
The only original thing that Microsoft ever did was to add web browser access into the “finder”. And they probably stole that from Linux. But is was tied to IE – HUGE mistake. I’d like Apple to add that feature but not tie it to a specific browser.
..but then I thought about if you selected the Windows IE7 where would the menu’s go?
In Windows they are built into the app at the top of the App window. If Apple ran the Windows SDK could they still keep the menus out of the window?
That is the only thing in my mind. If that’s not a problem then I would say it’s real. It definately seems really well done even if it is a fake…
FAKE
apple is not using DDR SDRAM for the next weedcrest units
DDR SDRAM IS WHAT WE HAVE in our macs today
I wish people would READ the posts that have gone before, before posting a new one. How many times do the DOH’s need to to be told the IE shown is Windows IE, not Mac IE..
I’m voting it’s genuine.
No more brushed metal in the Finder…
http://daringfireball.net/2005/09/anthropomorphized
“DDR SDRAM IS WHAT WE HAVE in our macs today”
So no-one would test Leopard on today’s Macs. That would be silly!
I’m on the fence here, but there are a number of very small details that make me think real.
1. The Desktop Switcher icon in the menu bar
2. The Bootcamp icon in the menu bar, like there is for Classic. I think they’ll maintain the ability to boot directly into Windows, just as you could for Classic.
3. Notice the lack of an iCal icon…Now notice the inclusion of the date on the address book icon. It looks as though the two apps have merged.
4. While I don’t like the transition, it’s been a Quicktime effect for a long time and it may not be the same for the final version.
5. Notice the Dock doesn’t distort. If it’s a fake, the author took great effort to recreate the dock over the desktop switching rather than having it distort as well. Since you’re only switching virtual desktops, it would make sense that your dock would remain unchanged.
I may be all wrong. We’ll have to wait for WWDC.
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4. the lack of “dink-dink’s” at the bottom of the colum view separators means that i’ve finally gotten them to fix the damn problem with odd-sizing, and is now doing some kind of smart sizing… and its about damn time.
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They aren’t missing. Columns don’t show them when there are no items in the column. The About This Mac window obscures the first column, but the goatse transition in the second pic reveals the column resize widget on a column to the left.
It’s a great Photoshop job but I call BS.
Some talented person created one “screenshot” with Photoshop then did a relatively simple modification for pic 2. If they were real, I’d expect to see some variation.
I love the idea of tabbed Finder windows though!
Tabbed Finder Window???? SIGN ME UP!!!!
..but then I thought about if you selected the Windows IE7 where would the menu’s go?
The new IE7 (by deafault) has no menu. You have to dig down and find the option to turn on the “Classic Menu.” Many of Vista’s new interfaces lose the menu bar. I think it’s a dumb idea to take away a method every is comfortable with, but that’s MS design at work.
Now about the fake/real part: Nothing is jumping out at me to say these are fake. As another poster said, there are too many little details that would point to this being real (CoreWindows, slash dropdown, boot camp style menubar icon, etc.). If this is a fake, then the person knows a good deal about development as well as Photoshop (can’t find artifacts either).
We’ll know in a couple of months anyway (or sooner if Apple forces these to be pulled off the web).
Peace,
Kevin
I like how all the dimwits (even here) keep saying it’s a fake because MS stopped developing IE for Mac. On the blog, even after it’s mentioned like four times, another idiot comes in saying that. Nonetheless, these pics are nice. I never pass judgement on whether they’re fake or not because it’s not worth the effort.
4. the lack of “dink-dink’s” at the bottom of the colum view separators means that i’ve finally gotten them to fix the damn problem with odd-sizing, and is now doing some kind of smart sizing… and its about damn time.
You’ll note in the tranistion image, there is a “dink-dink” (wtf?) in the root folder. This is Finder’s current behavior, it only shows a resize button when there is content in the column.
I think it is fake; heard somewhere that there must be new desktop themes in Leopard.
Oh for the lack of preview… Anyway, one commenter on the blog even said it’s a fake because IE is obviously an WinXP window. Some people are so thick it’s unbelievable.
“5. Notice the Dock doesn’t distort. If it’s a fake, the author took great effort to recreate the dock over the desktop switching rather than having it distort as well. Since you’re only switching virtual desktops, it would make sense that your dock would remain unchanged.”
Two things wrong with that (at least). These are still shots, so the “switcher” image could merely be a desktop picture, which would not affect the dock or menu bar. Even if this were video, you could do it by putting a Quartz composition on the desktop to transition between two images. You could probably easily trigger the effect with the mouse, too.
http://www.fourminutemilesoftware.com/quartzdesktop/
(Something like Desktop Movie Player would work, too, but your movie would have to be huge.)
Anyone notice this is a MacBook Pro this is running on (Notice the battery in the menu-bar)? Not sure what that means, but here are the processor and memory specs.
17-inch MacBook Pro:
2.16GHz Intel Core Duo processor, 2MB on chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed
1GB (single SODIMM) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 memory
667MHz frontside bus
I dunno. . . just info. Sleep now.
Just a few points not mentioned yet:
1. If Apple uses just the Windows APIs only to implement a “Classic” for Windows, then there would not be any Windows version to report in About This Mac, if I understand it correctly.
2.- If it’s running a full “XP with Service Pack 2”, if so, then where is the Start menu?
– Would it only appear when a Windows program is frontmost?
– If so, what happens to the Mac OS X dock, which also resides at the bottom?
– What will a Mac menu do when you are “in” a Windows program? Fade/Slide out? Be totally empty except for Apple Menu, menubar items and Spotlight?
3. The Finder titlebar in the second pic shows the path having a little black Safari-like menu arrow. While this would seem to be a nice addition to make the hierarchy menu appear more easily (you need to press the command button when clicking the title now), I’d argue that this would lead to more accidental clicks, if the entire path is clickable. It’s omission from the first pic suggests it’s a fake, though. Despite Macintosh HD being the top of the list (if that’s the argument for the omission of the arrow), you can still go back up one more time to the computer level (even now), so the arrow would still make sense to be present.
4. (To subsequent trolls): This is a discussion about user interface details, so it’s inherently nit-picky. If you read this far and think I need a life, then bite me, doughboy.
It’s real but we’re not going to make a big deal about it. Enjoy!
I think this look suspicuous because I don’t believe the Windows icon for IE would scale and look so native in the Dockbar as it does in the picture.
First post on a brand new blog that doesn’t have any attribution to an author. That makes me suspicious of authenticity.
If I had seen it on UNEASYsilence, I might have nibbled a bit.
The other steve – sorry we can’t all be as smart as you.
I guess you have more experience of pre-pre-release builds than the rest of us. And despite what you’ve been smoking I didn’t comment anywhere else.
Meanwhile, you can believe it’s real if you like. Me, I’ll smugly think it’s a fake, albeit a nicely produced one.
GIMP!
the last time I was promised 10.5 screenshots, I picked up Leap/A . . . .is it safe to look?
it shows the RAM as being DDR SDRAM, Im pretty sure all intel macs are DDR2. at least all current intel macs are DDR2. Im not sure about earlier model intel imacs though.
which would mean that this is running on a power pc.
and virtualisation is only possible on intel chips.
so im going with fake on this one.
Yes, it’s safe, shell shocked. When you click on the thumbnails to see the larger image, you’re only asked for you password, your SSN, your address and a lean on the life of your first child. Seems safe to me.
If you look at the ” About This Mac” window.
Processor
Memory
Startup Disk
Windows
All four lines are flush right. It looks like “Windows” looks like it was cut and pasted in because it’s slightly off to the left.
is that it?!
not the whizzes or bangs i was expecting to be honest.
a nice new finder wondow but that all? they could do that in a simple version jump if they wanted to.
i hope the actually preview at wwdc is a lot more spectacular.
It has a volume on the desktop named WINDOWS. That’s probably where the Windows version in the “About This Mac” comes from.
All four lines are flush right. It looks like “Windows” looks like it was cut and pasted in because it’s slightly off to the left.
It’s one pixel off.
Ok I really don’t have an opinion on if its real or not…. If it is “yay” it’s cool and I would be happy to use it. If it’s not….. so what it’s just another thing to give us ideas to hope for. 2 Things i noticed about the picture though. The date on the iCal/address book app says Jan 14 (if I can make that out right) If so then that means one of 2 things. Either the computer date and time settings are off, or this computer was connected to the magical portal that lets you access future information on websites. The 17 inch Macbook Pro that is featured on the Apple website did not release until 4/24/06 if my source is right. And after doing very minimal detection work. The clock at the top of the screen says it is Wednesday, Jan 14 was not a Wednesday, it was a Saturday.
God i have no life to sit there and notice stuff like that.
here’s how i can be so sure its a fake..
look at the ‘cog’ ‘slash’ buttons in the finder window.
the dividing line is not exact centre of the ‘double button’
now look at the current OS and implentation of ‘coupled’ buttons…
would apple allow that in any way shap or form – even if its in a test build?… no way.
It’s real. And by the way look what’s available right now on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7747040920&category=66786
GOATSE SWITCHER!! HAHAAHAH
Twinkie,
The iCal/Address Book app is not open. The current version of iCal displays July 17 when it is not open. The icon is not displaying that the current date is January 14, but it does show (if real) that they changed the date displayed when iCal is not open.
I’m afraid to say it’s real. It seems way to good to be true.
But then again, Apple has suprised us before right?
Keep your fingers crossed (3dsMax here I come
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P.S. Apple was incorporated on January 4 (’77) and launched the Mac on January 24 (’84’).
posted this the other day
New desktop ideas. Look here!
http://honeybrown.ca/Pubs/BumpTop.html
fake. look at the background image. why is it a solid color? because it’s easier to fake window parts over it, with drop shadow and all. tho i’d be happy beyond bladder control if there was a new finder like that, without brushed metal — yay.
oh, you think that apple would enable you to run inferior quality programs on your mac without the equivalent of a big scarlet A plastered on each appliction window?
speaking of which, the windows API was a nightmare to deal with (ctl3d and all back when even,) and i doubt that even apple can offer corewindows as implementation… but … “a girl can dream”
Jan. 14 is most likely the supposed date of MWSF 2007 which would also be about the time that Leopard starts shipping. Other than that, there is no reason for that date.
If they were real, Apple would have had them pulled by now. Note to all future fake screenshot artists: post your images and then take them down a day later and claim that they were removed at the request of Apple.
The second is an obvious photoshop (too ugly for apple). The first is a slight possiblity, but i have my doubts. There has been talk of merging iCal, Address Book, and Mail, but in this version, it seems only iCal and Address Book have been merged. If they are going to do a merge with these applications at all, I believe it will be all or none.
I say we all hold out for just over another month and see for real what Leopard will be come August at WWDC!
For the record: I find this just to a fake mastery of a talented artist like myself using a fabulous product from Adobe in what is Photoshop!
GIMPshop/fake.
Fake.
Look at the ‘B’ in “What makes a MacBook”.
Why does one of the tabs in the Finder window say “Caches”????
Why does one of the tabs in the Finder window say “Caches”????
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Why wouldn’t it? If the user goes to ~/Library/Caches/ for some reason, they could just make a tab of it. ::shrug::
Tabs are not column titles, they are independent of the columns listed below. They are tabs to other unrelated places. A tabs row would not need to be hierarchical. Tabs are not (necessarily) bread crumbs.
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I’ll add my approval for Tabbed Finder.
Is it fake? So what? “Make It SO!”
– Solid color background? So Windows.
– IE? That’s a version I’ve never seen. Round corners, so Apple.
– Desktop Switcher … huh? Is this a new version of Fast User Switching or new “multiple configurable desktops per user/login”?
– It took a while to locate the MacBook Family page and verify the font is correct (the B)
– iCal + Address Book – not a bad idea. And the option to extract appointment info straight out of an email? No, don’t mash Mail into the package.
It’s fake. So? Make. It. Real. – the good parts, anyway.
Only I know for sure.
Can you even take a screenshot during a desktop transition?
Come on children, if these were real, Apple would have already had them removed and a court case would be pending.
Photoshop for sure. That circle crap looks horrible.
Real – The proportions of the About This Mac window are correct for a 17″ MacBook Pro.
Too much detail to be wrong.
Who would Apple send their cease-and-desist letter to to have these pictures removed? The pseudonym who signed up for the Blogger account in question?
I’m afraid they’re real–afraid, because (1) the merged iCal/Address Book looks completely fugly, whereas the current iCal presence in the Dock is quite beautiful and useful; (2) I get confused just thinking about tabbed Finder windows, let alone multiple desktops that you distinguish, not spatially, but by numbers; (3) switching the Path icon in the Finder to a slash bespeaks a certain geeky user-unfriendliness that makes me fear for the whole tenor of Leopard; and (4) having Windows run like Classic seems pretty sure to spell the death of the Mac software industry–if there’s no inconvenience to Mac users in running Windows programs, à la dual booting under Boot Camp, there’s no real incentive for developers to write anything but Windows programs.
nobody here can talk about things not lining up or being off by some amount of pixels, simply because these “screenshots” were resized, and some level of JPEG compression was applied before being saved as PNGs…
everyone was wrong about the tiger screenshots showing the dashboard. everyone said apple wouldn’t release anything that ugly…
you were all wrong.
It’s photoshop job. Big deal.
Check this out, tHis is the real leopard shots. No photoshop. It’s real!!!!!!
http://www.bigcatrescue.org/leopard.htm
Illogical.
The IE window does not look like either a Windows window, nor an OS X window. The thumnail (the moving part of the scrollbar) looks like windows, but the rest of the window looks like OS X. The window has rounded corners, and there is no “minimize”, “maximize” and “close” button on the top right of the window.
Mac OS X has those buttons on the top left, while windows has them on the top right.
If Windows is really running on this machine, then those buttons would be in the top right of the windows title bar. If IE is running with Darwine, or the like, and therefore is run without Windows, then I guess that the window would be Mac-style, but wouldn’t the scroll bar also be Mac style then?
I’d say that this is a fake, although a good one.
It’s Crap
did you ever make a poop that smells like cat poop?
MW “once” as in “I made a poop that smelled like cat poop, once”
A little late to this thread as I couldn’t log on yesterday………..I know with 100% CERTAINTY that these are FAKE. How? Go back to the blog – THE GUY ADMITS IT!
http://trinityrubicon.blogspot.com/
What I find interesting is the IE7 window’s resize corner on the bottom-left is just as it is in Windows (with the dots); but the top of the menu has Mac OS X looks. The rest of the windows have the normal 3 diagonal lines on the resize corner.
i meant bottom-right, not bottom left.
even though he says they are fake i still think they are real!
Can you take a screen capture during a transistion like the one shown?