“With Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s popularity plummeting, a growing number of Democrats are asking whether state Treasurer Phil Angelides and Controller Steve Westly should be the party’s only choices for governor,” John Wildermuth and Carla Marinucci report for The San Francisco Chronicle.
“Prominent Democrats ranging from San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom and former Rep. Leon Panetta to non-politicians such as businessman Steve Jobs and comedian Robin Williams are mentioned in the quiet conversations of Democratic activists, although no one is saying anything — at least publicly — about jumping into the race,” Wildermuth and Marinucci report.
“Steve Jobs, co-founder and head of Apple Computers and Pixar studios and a major donor to the Democratic Party, is another person regularly mentioned as a possible candidate for governor, O’Connor and others say,” Wildermuth and Marinucci report. “But for Jobs and many others, an important question remains: Do they have the interest in a thankless job like governor of California?”
Of Steve Jobs’s chances, Wildermuth writes, “Way too many Windows users out there.”
Full article here.
Of Steve Jobs’s chances, Wildermuth writes, “Way too many Windows users out there.”
Maybe, but I bet you at least 80% of them have iPods.
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gets my vote. A man with the guts to stand up for what is right.
Steve Jobs does NOT get my vote because I want him busy at Apple
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Wow. Imagine the Governor’s annual keynote.
How about a Demo, Governor Jobs?
errr … is not George W. Bush just about the hottest ‘lil Podcaster since Adam Curry? I mean .. the dude has skyrocketed up the iTunes Top 100 Podcast charts, blasting the bejeezus outta the House Dems Podcast and Diggnation alike.
Thanks for nothin’ Steve. Get that goat turd Bush outta there and I might think about supporting you if you make a bid for Governor.
Depending on what sort of software the voting machines run, they’ll either end up with Arnie “I’ll be back” Schwarzenegger or George Bush…
…bet it’s not OSX…
…sorry, I thought you were talking about Florida….
gwm, Al Franken is currently beating Dubya in the Podcast list.
Oh c’mon ….
Don’t load this genuis man with responsibilites of the state.
He is a creative guy. Let him focus on bringing cool products like the iPod and iMac to the rest of us!!
MDN word: miles
Yes, Apple, by all means, fake the iTunes Podcast Top 100 and remove George Bush due to politics. We all want a list that makes us feel comfortable with our incestuous world view, not one that reflects actual popularity.
Bush/Cheney 2004: 62,028,772 votes
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html
MDN MW = “george” (now that’s scary!)
Steve Jobs as Governor? Dear God, I hope not
Jobs has a Job at apple. there is no point for him to be gov. Ahnold is doing just fine. this article is hogwash.
Why are we discussing politics here?
The growing Democratic Party…puhleaze.
yeah, the democrats did such a great job in CA before Arnold. Let’s put em in again!
Just stay at Apple/Pixar and do what you do best Steve. He is WAY too wacko hippy leftist to ever run for office…but then again, this is CA we’re talking about here…
That worm Bush isn’t popular at all. He’s a fascist freak. Have you heard his latest Podcast? It’s a nightmare!! Plus .. he’s got another demented episode coming out tomorrow. I shit you not.
And who’s enabeling him? Steve Jobs and his happy little iTunes Podcast charts, that’s who. Next thing you know, Jobs is prolly gonna be shoving Dick Cheney Podcasts down our throats, too!
Now here’s what you gotta do. You go right to that George Bush Podcast, subscribe to it and then start clicking on the button that says “Report a Concern”. You’ll get a page where you can tell Steve Jobs how that George Bush podcast is a dangerous piece of warmongering crap and you can demand that it receive the “Explicit” rating that it deserves.
Christ. What’s next? Podcasts from Nazis or something? Fix it quick, Steve .. or no Governor support from me.
yeah…. and if he was the iGov … maybe he could do for Apple what Bush did for his buddie Cheney … with the multi-trillion dollar no-bid contracts for Cheneys company, Haliburton !!
Nah …. the Right wing-nuts wouldnt go for it, I suppose …
Steve has more than enough to do, safe him for the Political ZOO !
20 years ago Steve grabbed my ass.
First, let’s look at some definitions here . . .
lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl) adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
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con·ser·va·tive (kn-sûrv-tv) adj.
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style.
Moderate; cautious.
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Now, by definition, I don’t think either of these is better or worse than the other. As a matter of fact, together they constitute a reasonable balance. So, for crying out loud, can we PLEASE stop criminalizing “liberals?” What do you cons want? A totally right, Nazi society? Because without a healthy dose of liberalism in this country, that’s exactly what you’ll get.
Steve would make an interesting politician. Can you imagine him as president? “So Kim Jong Il, when how old were you when you lost your virginity? When was the last time you dropped acid?”.
Woz for vice president? Education in this country would certainly improve.
Nahhhh, I don’t want to see what would happen to Apple without him, and three jobs is too much.
I can just see all the campaign advisors telling SJ he needs to alter his wardrobe beyond jeans and black mock turtlenecks.
Politics needs creative thinkers in both sides of the political camp. Those in politics focus on winning not on making goverment work better. But, as a Pixar/Apple shareholder I want SJ to stay put.
Robin Williams?! I’m not sure how good a Governor he’d be, but I would so be there for any of his speeches…
Intelligence and politics don’t mix.
Arnold is rather cartoonish, but so far he is doing a great job of trying to break the stranglehold that the entrenched legislature and teacher’s union has on our state. The upcoming propositional election will have a lot to say about the near future of California, as well as Arnold’s.
It would be fun to have Robin Williams running his stream of conciousness chat at the state of the state address.
Anyone who thinks a political adgenda should censor what goes into iTMS needs to have their brains erased.
The dems have already put this great country on the road to self destruction, ( Just take a look at a few of the trash movies coming out of Un-holywood). We may have a chance if President Bush starts to act like a conservative. Leave S. Jobs to do what he does best, make money. Is that a liberal idea?
Jobs tends to listen to his constituency. The California State Legislature is just the opposite. They are a bunch of tax and spend socialists with no grasp of reality whatsoever. If Jobs thinks he has a reality distortion field, try a legislature that believes we can always spend more than we take in and everything will be just fine, just tax the corporations and the rich, no big deal, and yes, we can afford to import all the poor of Mexico and our crumbling infrastructure will take care of itself.
Don’t know if Jobs could handle that kind of reality distortion.
As far as Schwarzenegger, here’s a man who has an administration predicated on one simple principal: “We will not spend more than we take in,” and they go after this guy like he’s Hitler or something.
California doesn’t deserve Steve Jobs, or Apple, or even Schwarzenegger.
We are idiots here.
The UK’s Guardian newspapers cartoonist Steve Bell has quite a few funny jottings on Dubbya, Iraq, Blair et all…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/archive/0,14955,1284265,00.html
Here are a few of my favorites (on an American theme), scroll down and brows at leisure …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1325238,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1491821,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1399631,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1343074,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1328195,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1353911,00.html
Keep Stevo out of politics. His Democratic liberal orientation is the one thing that turns my stomach about him. Thinking of Stevo as a whiny, government’s function is to take care of me, no accountability for laziness, immoral, piss-and-moan agenda is something that I would not recover from. Keep Stevo out of politics, PLEASE!!!!! Celebrities make terrible leaders. Just look at what Governor Ventura did for Minnesota. It as a freaking joke. “iGovernor” my ass!!!!
The Liberator: What you say about the words “liberal” and “conservative” is true. And in fact there is hardly anyone who epitomizes either word in every aspect of life. On the other hand, both words have acquired connotations, and those are usually what people fight over, not the relative merits of the dictionary definitions. For example, I don’t consider political liberals (categorically) as “free from bigotry”, reformers, progressive, tolerant, or broad-minded. If they were all those things, I might be more supportive of their agendas. And to be fair, political conservatives are not always “moderate” or “cautious.”
RE: Steve Jobs as president: I think he does a great job doing what he’s doing. I would hate to see him diverted.
eat sh$% liberals. 4 more years. 4 more years.
Better still…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/martinrowson/0,7371,1520933,00.html
Fred Anderson, former Apple CFO for Governor.
Fiscal genius. Military experience for patriot types…etc…
Seriously. He’s retired now. Lots of free time.
Steve Jobs as Governor? Creatively using people to build the machines of technology is one thing, but creatively using the machine of politics to build people quite another! Sure Steve cares about people, but the product still comes first. In politics, meeting the needs of the people come first. Steve is a brilliant product man and hopefully will stay in his proper element.
Yeah. 4 more years of war. 4 more years of gouging at the pumps. 4 more years of making enemies all over the world. 4 more years of Washington-issued terrorist threats. 4 more years of LIES LIES LIES!
Enron/Haliburton ’08
(By the way, you hate-mongering cons probably have more liberal values than you realize, and likewise for the libs — more conservative values than you realize.)
Yeah! Then we could make Peanut Butter Captain Crunch the official state cereal of California! That would rule!
Andrew Hamilton
Las Vegas Videographers
http:www.hiproductions.com
American should demand that their so-called leaders have a deep business or technical background and or training. I know SJ doesn’t have a degree, but our leaders should have a technical degree, something that shows that have real interests and didn’t just fall (or flunk) into politics.
Most Chinese leaders as I understand have technical degrees and we are starting to see how focussed they are at removing political barriers and embracing the “new” world.
The US is getting run over. California is very progressive, even Arnold is, compared to the rest of the country. SJ should run for President. We need his vision and communication abilities where we lack logic in our broken political system.
Would SJ be a good administrator? Probably not as good as John Kerry would have been, but it would take someone like SJ to get the whole country to focus on certain goals like switching to alternative energy, improving education in a national system, national healthcare, reducing local pork projects, building a national public transportation system with rail and busses, etc.
Our country is a wreck. SJ as President, or even as Gov of CA, would shake the political system.
That said, I think the chances of SJ actually running are about zero.
Imagine the great Podcasts that would come out of a Robin Williams governorship! That alone would be enough to get my support……..
The Woz for office.
Naraa Haras says: “American should demand that their so-called leaders have a deep business or technical background and or training. I know SJ doesn’t have a degree, but our leaders should have a technical degree, something that shows that have real interests and didn’t just fall (or flunk) into politics.”
A little tidbit you might find interesting: Most of the Mexican dictators … uh, that is, ‘presidentes’ … of the last couple decades have been technocrats, mostly US educated economists and business majors, and they haven’t been doing particularly well. You can find similar stories in many countries.
That’s not to say that people with technical educations are bad leaders per se. The point is that the problems you might find with any leader aren’t necessarily related to his/her educational background. After all, a head of state of any advanced country is going to have a whole host of advisors at his disposal, and they can certainly provide guidance on technical issues. It’s their background in society, otherwise known as ‘life experiences’, that tend to be the most important, as they try to integrate that knowledge into policies that actually benefit the country as a whole (not just a special segment of it that they happen to be familiar with).
If leaders have never really been a part of the society they are supposed to lead, in the sense that they understand what it’s like to live in the shoes of the majority of the people, then you’re almost gauranteed to run into problems. Arnie has been either a narcacistic bodybuilder or a Hollywood multimillionaire his entire late teen-to-adult life. GWB has been even more sheltered, starting from the cradle. Why anyone should be surprised now that both are failing as leaders in their respective roles as Caretakers of the People is beyond me. Neither has any real idea of what it’s like to BE “people”, in the normative sense that we all take for granted.
Keep your eyes open for competent, down to earth people who know what it’s like not only to be wildly successful (i.e. rich), but who also have lived (or even still are living) a life we can all relate to. Then vote for them! I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how smoothly things will turn out – at least in comparison to how things are going now.
The problems in California have been mainly caused by the socialists in power. Putting in another one (Steve Jobs) will only make things worse.
What is needed is a more business friendly climate, lower taxes, and democrats voluntarily donating more of their OWN money to help support the people they want supported. (in other words, put your money where your mouth is).
– Mark
Odyssey, won’t ever happen, since politics appeals to narcissistic egomanics, precisely the opposite of down to earth folks like us.
And, of course, whether Bush or Arnold are failing is simply opinion at this point. The left’s reliance on cleverly weighted opinion polls (as opposed to winning elections) obviously means nothing when the rubber meets the road. Check out California on November eighth to find out which way the wind is really blowing.
It would cost Apple so many sales from the many millions of right-wing nut jobs (see various comments already from those who think a control freak closed system promoting businessman is a Left Winger. Or indeed that Liberalism = Left Wing – it used to considered the centre, which just shows how screwed up and unbalanced your country has become – but then again, provided you’re not at the bottom who gives a shit. Except of course they are all just lazy! (Of course).
Equally, may the Californian state properly tackle the Teachers and other tax grabbing public sector employees. Then you can find out what kind of society you will create without universal good quality education (Clue : look at most countries that have it and the ones that don’t and see which ones are succesful). Who the f**k would want to be a teacher – they get shit off the pupils all day and shit off the conservatives all the time, but very few conservatives believe in their philosophies to go and work in (public rather than [private school) education. A shame as they have some really good things to offer (like encouraging self-reliance). But then why go into education when you can tell people how they should be doinging their job instead?
(Like any businessman would listen to a teachers opinion on how they should run their business).
“The dems have already put this great country on the road to self destruction, ( Just take a look at a few of the trash movies coming out of Un-holywood). We may have a chance if President Bush starts to act like a conservative. Leave S. Jobs to do what he does best, make money. Is that a liberal idea?”
HHAHAHA! Go back to reading your bible and not believing in evolution you caveman. Yes, being open to new ideas and not forcing your theological B.S. onto everyone will destroy us all!
Get a clue asshole. We’re the laughing stock of the world and it’s not because of the democrats.
johnny,
HHAHAHA! Go back to reading your bible and not believing in evolution you caveman. Yes, being open to new ideas and not forcing your theological B.S. onto everyone will destroy us all!
Get a clue asshole. We’re the laughing stock of the world and it’s not because of the democrats.>
If you libs carry on the way you’re going, you’ll abort the future out of this country. Now call some more infantile nanes.
MW-all…as in all life has a right to be born.
I don’t know who is laughing at us, but I hope it isn’t the Eurotrash EU states with stagnated 10% unemployment economies and islamofascist minorities. My favorite is the once fancy colonial power which loses elderly by the thousands when it gets hot.
As far as teacher unions go, we tried giving them the store, and found that spending and education aren’t synonymous. Time to try something else.
Have a nice time gnashing your teeth this weekend liberals. It it weren’t for those darn elections, I am sure things would be going your way.
Steve Jobs a politician – what are you guys smoking?
The guy is a dictator. Do what it Steve´s way or the highway.
Steve´s appearances are carefully controlled. If people would ever see the real Steve they would be shocked.
How could Steve Jobs POSSIBLY have time to be governor? Isn’t he supposed to be running Disneyland soon? Or is that old news?
ron,
I did. I got away from conservatives as quickly as I could.
To Listen up Liberty:
Mongol King George Walker is a fascist, but his deranged podcasts are only serving to advertise that fact to anyone not already in the know. That, I would think, is a good thing.
As for his iPod, well if he is busy listening to that while he rides his bike (the secret service should put training wheels on that thing for his safety), well, he isn’t opening any nuclear “football”s and pressing big red switches. Personally, I’d rather he have an iPod to play with than have him nuking something.
So you see, Steve Jobs is performing a great service to humanity.
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BTW, Baby Mothra resents the “worm” implication. She is the worm who lovingly makes the bite in every Apple Logo, and she, the monster of peace, is very angry at Bush. George Walker was the alias of the bad guy in her very first movie, and George Walker’s have only worsened with age.
Joe McConnell says: “Odyssey, won’t ever happen, since politics appeals to narcissistic egomanics, precisely the opposite of down to earth folks like us. And, of course, whether Bush or Arnold are failing is simply opinion at this point. The left’s reliance on cleverly weighted opinion polls (as opposed to winning elections) obviously means nothing when the rubber meets the road. Check out California on November eighth to find out which way the wind is really blowing.”
You’re correct in saying the politics mainly appeals to the narcissits among us, but that’s primarily a function of us REWARDING the narcissists among us – by consistently electing them over less ‘media attractive’ but better qualified – or at least better intentioned – alternatives.
I know a few people in my community – good, hardworking people – who have tried, and failed, to get elected to municipal judgeships, local boards, and the like simply because A] people pull a straight lever EVERY election, B] they just like the ‘look’ of the other guy/girl, C] they don’t really know anything about either candidate, so they just vote for the incumbant (who’s well financed and has their name plastered everywhere, which is more familiar to them).
I don’t believe in utopia either, but at some point we all have to admit to our failings in just making our lives a little better, by simply filtering out the chaff for the wheat.
As for Bush and Arnie’s performance, I’m an independent voter – no alliance to either party or ideology – and in my opinion they are failing. Bush’s fall is more obvious than Arnie’s, but it’s happening for sure, and largely – I believe – because he is the kind of socially sheltered leader I’m talking about. However, if your political beliefs compell you to give him one last benefit of the doubt (before the elections, that is
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Personally, I think it’s long overdue for a change – not just in which party is presently holding all the cards (though I do advocate that as well), but also in the criteria we use for electing anybody, from either party.
lets see…
– Iraq is close to Civil War, and has not helped in any way whatsoever our war on terrorism.
– Our standing in the international community has never been lower
– Terrorism is as healthy as it’s ever been
– Gas prices are soaring
– Rogue States don’t give a shit anymore about the US’s stance on nuclear ambition, they are finally just going for it.
– Out deficit has never increased so fast in such a short period of time in the history of this country
Yeah, things are going great under Bush. So glad those terrible years under Clinton are gone.
Now, now Moth Maiden ..
I DID advise “subscription” to George’s Podcast. I too think people should hear it. I might have just sent them to the Podcast Page and said to Report A Concern from there, eh?
errr … you did report a concern to Apple, I hope. Right? Everybody? If not … what are you waiting for? http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/com.apple.jingle.app.store.DirectAction/viewPodcast?id=78625853
Oh please. Why would I give up running the two most dynamic, fun, cool companies in the world to run California? Right. And right after that, I’ll hammer nails into my forehead.
Gouging at the pump? Yeah our government, specifically GWB is responsible. PUULEEEASEE get a dose of reality. How about the fact that 3/4’s of the world is just now developing and starting to use lots and lots of automobiles. SUPPLY and DEMAND, didn’t you learn this in third grade..
Let me assure you GWB doesn’t control the price of gas, if anything he will probably fight HARDER to see it come down, becuase all you leftist twits think he controls the oil industry.
G Spank — you listen to too much NPR.
“Iraq is close to civil war”.
Get a clue, blue balls, and try talking to people who’ve actually BEEN ON THE GROUND over in Iraq. They’ll tell you that you’re full of shit. Schools are open, electricity’s running, fresh water’s flowing, buildings reconstructed, roads paved, telephone service everywhere, etc., etc.
A buncha terrorist maggots from Saudi Arabia creep across the border to start trouble and you frickin’ lib’s try to make everyone believe the sky is falling. Get real. Poll after poll repeatedly shows that the Iraqi’s believe they’re better off now than under that fucking assclown fuckhead Hussein — and that they’re GLAD we did what we did, i.e. ENFORCE INTERNATIONAL LAW PER (weak-willed, ineffectual) U.N. MANDATE.
Stop getting all your news from CNN, touchhole.
G Spank:
“- Iraq is close to Civil War, and has not helped in any way whatsoever our war on terrorism.”
Yeah, Syria and Iran have nothing to do with this. They are so happy at the possibility of have democracy right next door.
“- Our standing in the international community has never been lower”
Oh, I didn’t know this was a popularity contest. If that’s case, we should allow our children to stay up late and eat whatever they want… Some times doing the right thing isn’t going to make you popular. They right thing would have been to do something in Rwanda, but apparently your party turned the other cheek on that one, didn’t they?
“- Terrorism is as healthy as it’s ever been”
Things get worse before they get better. But let me ask you this question. If the Iraqi’s are really soooo mad at us and want us out of the country so bad, then why aren’t more of our troops dying? They out number our troops, wouldn’t you think you would be hearing about mass groups attacking our soldier’s if this was the case??
“- Gas prices are soaring”
Is that your guys tune this week? I thought it was we are going to war for the oil?
“- Rogue States don’t give a shit anymore about the US’s stance on nuclear ambition, they are finally just going for it.”
yeah, because they realize that the “international” community isn’t going to do anything about it. Just talk, take bribes, and drag things out until it’s to late. Kind of reminds me of another war… what was it? Oh, that’s right WWII. That crazy Hitler.
Instead of bitching about what’s going wrong, why don’t you give some examples of what you would do different? Maybe then you will be taken more seriously.
Nobody said George controls the oil industry. Only YOU have derived that conclusion. It’s not about The President = The Oil Industry. It’s a bit more complex than that. But, then again, you right wing knuckle draggers don’t do “complex.”
For Christ’s sake people, haven’t you worked it out yet?
Oh yeah thats right, GWB is a man of the people and I’m sure he fights *real* hard to get gas prices down, even when his family is making billions from the whole thing. Get a friggin clue, Knucklehead. GWB is an extremely rich guy from Oil money and he couldn’t give a flying f*ck what the middle class are paying for gas, so long as his family is making a mint (and they are).
What has GWB done since he has been in office? Oh yeah that’s right, he reduced incentives for fuel efficient automoblies. Yep, that GWB, he’s on *our* side….NOT!
Dave H. Awesome. And so true. Only problem is, cons have a blindness to concepts like inseparability, interdependence, and cross-support. They’d assume that their other half (libs) disappear.
G Spank, if you believe that George Bush’s “family” is making “billions” from the gas price increase, you’re a bigger tool than it seems possible to be.
So Bob, that’s your response? I mean, dude, that was unbelievably weak. Maybe you should re-read it to see how pathetic it is.
You want examples of how to do things differently?
Ok,
#1 Don’t wage outlaw style wars without proper information and proper planning
#2 Don’t spend tons of money while giving tax breaks during a war
#3 Fight the war on Terror using intelligence and build a strong community of nations in the fight with you. See #1.
#4 Don’t fight the war on Terror with only your balls. Fighting any war “cowboy style” makes you the simplist easiest enemy to defeat. I mean, c’mon, how predictable can you get? But I know how much those republicans hate smart people.
#5 if #1 is not comitted, the USA would have both clout and force to keep the rogue states in line (like we have for the past 20 years).
#6 Don’t blatantly lie to the American People over and over again. I know most of the public is stupid and don’t care if you lie to them about important stuff, but many people do care, and solidarity is lost in doing so.
Tell me, Chunky Monkey, how much did GWBs Family (and by that I mean the whole Family) make since he’s been in office? I’d be curious, and you seem to know. Sure it’s a loaded question because they hide somuch of the money in various ways it’s probably impossible to tell, but you seem to know, so. I said billions, but yeah, you are right I’m not sure. I’d bet they are making an awful lot, though…
G Spank, you NEED to be spanked. Who the hell told you that Bush is making “billions” from anything? Source, please?
Stop spouting shit about things you don’t understand.
And BTW, who the hell GIVES A SHIT about what the international community thinks about us? They sure don’t have a problem with their “ill feelings” toward us when they mosey on up to the U.S. International Aid money trough, do they?
It’s not in our government’s best interest to care too much about what the “world community” (as if there is such a thing) really thinks. It is, in fact, a mandate that they look out for the best interests of . . . are you ready? . . . I know you could be shocked . . . here it is . . . surprise! . . .
AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!
G Spank, that’s pretty sweet. You get to make all sorts of baseless claims against a public figure and then you have nothing to back it up. That’s a nice job if you van get it. Where do I sign up?
A “billion” (never mind “billions”) is still an awful lot of scratch. Not many people in the world — even today — have that much.
But anyway, YOU made the claim, not me. So, YOU need to back it up. I’ll be waiting . . .
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
— Carl Sagan
Jobs-ian Savior wrote:
“It’s not in our government’s best interest to care too much about what the “world community” (as if there is such a thing) really thinks. It is, in fact, a mandate that they look out for the best interests of . . . are you ready? . . . I know you could be shocked . . . here it is . . . surprise! . . .
AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!”
Yeah, but not at the expense of other countries. You can’t just be on the take and go for others’ resources just because you’re the most arrogant, consumptuous, greedy nation on earth. Unless, of course, that’s your M.O.
I have had the opportunity to closely work with Steve professionally. It most certainly would not be in the best interests of the state to have him as governor.
He has severe character flaws that no doubt will manifest themselves while in a position where he has to work with his functional equals rather than his organizational inferiors.
Steve is a man that routinely parks in handicap spaces, drives around in cars without license plates, and launches into demeaning tirades at his staff on a regular basis. He is often irrational, using his anger as a mask for his lack of a proper education. The rather unkind term coined specifically by those who know him- he is surrounded by a “reality distortion field” is commonly used at the Cupertino headquarters. For those deifying Steve out there, it is not meant as a compliment.
There is no question is is a marketing genius. Yet many of “his” best ideas were stolen from others without adequate (or any) compensation, and certainly no acknowledgement.
I would strongly recommend reading “Infinite Loop”, an excellent book detailing his lack of character in dozens of situations. It provides insight into an individual do not want leading any organization requiring consensual agreement; especially politics.
But Keep In Mind: “Yeah, but not at the expense of other countries. You can’t just be on the take and go for others’ resources just because you’re the most arrogant, consumptuous, greedy nation on earth. Unless, of course, that’s your M.O.”
Arrogant — YOUR view. Please provide examples. Because, I can think of many, MANY, more arrogant nations on this earth than the United States.
Consumptuous — That statement’s made in a vacuum. Of course it ignores the fact that the United States’ industrial might, technical leadership, innovative scientific community, and nearly-limitless other categories of commerce and invention drive the WORLD economic engine. Can’t help others (which we DO, in DROVES) if we don’t help ourselves first.
Greedy — Get real. Why do you think so many people from around the world WANT to emigrate here? For the freedom. INCLUDING the freedom of OPPORTUNITY! Meaning, they want to make money to better their position in life and that of their children. Ohh, yaah, I can hear you now — capitalism has been SUCH a dismal failure. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Go watch some more self-hating CNN “news” broadcasts.
Peter wrote:
“Robin Williams?! I’m not sure how good a Governor he’d be, but I would so be there for any of his speeches…”
WTF?? Robin Williams is a maniac fruitcake at best. I’m not sure which is more of an insult: him being associated with the Democrats (God help them if that’s the face of their party), or his name being used in the same sentence as Steve Jobs. With suggestions this absurd let’s also nominate Michael Jackson as a potential candidate.
Anyway Arnold had to know this would happen. The California governor’s post is an impossible position, whoever’s unlucky enough to have it will be ripped to pieces & spit out for the next sucker. Until CA’s system utterly collapses & is forced to reform itself, there’s nobody big enough for the job.
Chunky Monkey,
I made a suggestion. I did not state any beliefs or opinions. Maybe you should run out into the street and play a nice game of hide and go FUCK YOURSELF!
And, I don’t watch television.
What kind of idiot would want to be the governer of ANYWHERE, rather than the CEO of a couple of the coolest companies on earth?
America sure is a sunny place – a lot of you guys need to keep indoors. Your showing your rednecks way too much…!
The American public may think that it’s country is on some great crusade, bringing peace and democracy to the world.
Unfortunately, George W. Bush and the rest of the oil barons who paid for him to win the US election know (along with the rest of the world outside of America) that America is running out of its own oil reserves, and within 100-150 years America will rely on importing all of its oil from abroad.
This will of course force the price of oil up to, what, $5? $10? $15 dollors a gallon?
This will of course cause riots, anarchy and general unplesentness to the American people.
So the Bush (and supposidly every subsequent) administration will say to foreign governments “it’s every Americans right to freedom; to go where they want, when they want, and drive their big, gas-guzzling SUV’s to get there… And for them to do that, we need your oil. If you refuse to aid us in exercising our Freedom, by selling us your oil, then you must be a repressive regiem.”
This is why America is recognised as being the biggest threat to world peace – they don’t really care who they push-around, invade, er, sorry, ‘liberate’, or step on to get the worlds oil.
But hey, I’m happy. Its been a nice cold, rainy day here in ‘lil ‘ol England town…
Bizarrly, MDN word ‘trade’… as in “we’ll trade your oil… for bullets…
G Spank haha… your pretty funny. Please skirt the issue some more.
“So Bob, that’s your response? I mean, dude, that was unbelievably weak. Maybe you should re-read it to see how pathetic it is.
You want examples of how to do things differently?
Ok,
#1 Don’t wage outlaw style wars without proper information and proper planning
#2 Don’t spend tons of money while giving tax breaks during a war
#3 Fight the war on Terror using intelligence and build a strong community of nations in the fight with you. See #1.
#4 Don’t fight the war on Terror with only your balls. Fighting any war “cowboy style” makes you the simplist easiest enemy to defeat. I mean, c’mon, how predictable can you get? But I know how much those republicans hate smart people.
#5 if #1 is not comitted, the USA would have both clout and force to keep the rogue states in line (like we have for the past 20 years).
#6 Don’t blatantly lie to the American People over and over again. I know most of the public is stupid and don’t care if you lie to them about important stuff, but many people do care, and solidarity is lost in doing so.”
1. So are you saying to only wage non-outlaw style wars without proper information and proper planning?
Seriously were you privy to something that the rest of the world wasn’t prior to the war? Hindsight is 20/20, either way Saddam was a bad man, so with your logic we should have slapped him on the wrist again while he went on with his mass killings?
2. Uhhh… ok. I guess your pretty good with money, so I guess we should have spent more money with no tax breaks? How much money is a ton of money? And out of curiousity how much money was it costing us to do the oil for food program? Or the humanitarian aid? Or the protection of the Kurds and Shites? We did that for ten years, was that free?
3. Uhhh… yeah, fight with intelligence. Can you elebrate? Do you mean like use more CIA, FBI things like that? Like all the agencies that the Clinton administration kept slashing there budgets? And I guess your saying, everytime we want to do something we need to ask everyones permission. I like your thinking here. Russia, Germany, France they all love us. I’m sure they have our best interest in mind.
4. Yeah, I agree 100%. From now on I think we should fight all wars with rubber bouncy balls and flowers that squirt water. Are you insane? What are you talking about, “outlaw”, “cowboy-style”, are you having flash backs to the old west? If your going to war, go to win. I’m sure the next time we go to war, the president will call you up and ask your opinion, but once again. Can you be a little more specific, how would you do this? Are you saying start a dialog with your enemy before any physical methods are used? Didn’t we do that for ten years prior to going to war with Saddam???
5. Wow, that sounds kind of dictatorish coming from you? did your personality change mid-thought? Yeah, let’s keep these rogue states in line with “fear”. Yoo-hoo I knew you would finally come around. I think the only thing that needs to be committed is you.
6. Thanks for calling everyone stupid. I’m so glad your so smart and you can help us figure everything out. So your just mad about lies. I’m guessing it’s the weapons of mass destruction thing, right? Ok, we didn’t find em. Maybe they didn’t exist. Does that change the fact that Saddam a bad person? No. Does that change the fact that he needed to be removed? No.
Thanks G-Spank, your a hoot.
Bob, you are the hoot to me, my friend. Fighting wars with bouncy balls! That was great. Your ignorance is over the top. Wait, are you a comedian? Because that would have been awesome if it was intentional, but I’m sure it wasn’t.
I don’t know about SJ for Gov (I’ve read some accounts that he might not play so well with others), but Robin Williams would at least be entertaining. I would probably have to Tivo his speeches so I could get what he was saying on the second or third playing.
If you think that might be a little bizarre, remember that we (Californians) elected Arnold and his competition included: Gary Coleman (who can now be seen doing cheesy commericals for check cashing companies), a couple of porn actresses and Larry Flynt among others. The real sad part is that all of these were preferable to the incumbent at the time, Gray Davis.
4 more years of tax cuts and dead terrorists –
Bartsimpsonhead wrote:
“America is running out of its own oil reserves”
America has barely touched its sizable reserve in Alaska (for better or worse).
“within 100-150 years America will rely on importing all of its oil from abroad.
By then there won’t be any significant amount of oil to import from anywhere. I’m no environmentalist, yet even I can see signs that we (the world) had better get serious at developing and adapting alternative energy sources. We’re at the beginning of a global “Easter Island” scenario. We can only wonder how many trees were burned as they fought for the last trees…
“If you refuse to aid us in exercising our Freedom, by selling us your oil, then you must be a repressive regiem.” [sic]
Saudi Arabia isn’t exactly known for its human rights.
“This is why America is recognised as being the biggest threat to world peace – they don’t really care who they push-around, invade, er, sorry, ‘liberate’, or step on to get the worlds oil.”
Then why has oil hit record prices since the Iraq invasion? Why is oil 60-some dollars a barrel and not 60-some CENTS? I’m not using this to justify the Iraq war, rather I’m making a case that the war is coincidental with the oil endgame.
The Middle East needs world money far more than the world needs their oil. When the oil money is gone, Arabia goes directly back to tents and camels. If anyone should be fighting for oil it’s the countries of the Middle East!
Bartsimpsonhead just encapsulated the left’s idea of the removal of Hussein… let me see if I get this straight:
GW Bush is a frat-boy, coke-head dunce who’s daddy (and the “oil barons”!)bought him the presidency – THEN he foresaw the end of domestic oil reserves?!? – THEN he master-minded the Iraq war, fooling the people (and John Kerry) into believing that Hussein wasn’t a social reformer and a really, really nice guy – THEN he secured the Iraqi oil fields for gas-guzzling SUV’s here in the States – THEN he…um…raised gas prices?
Wait, I forgot bigfoot and the UFO’s…
Hey, if this is a war for oil, when do we get it? I just paid nearly a third of what the Brits pay for ‘petrol’ at the gas station… prices are really out of control here!
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9E21D088-7317-45DF-BE62-7CE8BEB830B1.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0720-14.htm
Some nice stuff about Harken
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0207/S00089.htm
http://www.thedubyareport.com/corrupt.html
Here’s some nice Carlyle Group Stuff (Mo money for Bush from War in Iraq)
http://www.bushnews.com/bushcarlyle.htm
http://counterpunch.org/stclair05222004.html
Anyway, thats enough for now. My point about the “billions” comment was that Bush is making a lot of money from a) the war in Iraq, and b) the cost of gas in America. Now sure, I may be wrong about the “billions”. Noone can prove how much he’s making. But the fact that thats the only thing you sleezebags can hold onto says something about your case *for* Bush.
Lets face it – the only reason you guys like Bush is because either a) you are religious diehards that have been fed so much propaganda you’d suport Sin against God if it was Republican (like killing innocent people for money), or b) you have some kind of man-child ego that makes you think Bush is a TOUGH GUY, and “liberals” are pussies. It’s probably hard for you to understand that Soldiers in Iraq are liberals too.
The fact is, Liberals would clean you Conservatives up in a streetfight anyday.
And I don’t give a crap how many insults are thrown my way. Go for it. Have a ball…
wow – “G Spank” just subconscioously threw Al Jazeera in with a bunch of links to Bush hate sites. Perfect grouping! Now add in some NPR with a dash of CBS News, and you’ve got a recipe for a dying philosophy!
nobody’s throwing insults at you, dude… it’s just that the whole “Bush conspiracy” thing has spawned more ignorant offspring than Dick Van Patten…
Go, W!!! We are all lucky to have such a man of high integrity, insight and strength of character in the top position in the strongest country on earth. GWB, with some help from Blair and a few others, is saving most of the rest of the world, both on security and on the economy (the US locomotives is pulling ahead much of the rest of the world’s economy). Those dopes citing Bush’s current dip in the polls should know that Lincoln was FAR more unpopular at this point during the Civil War, and he didn’t even have to deal with such a hostile left-wing mainstream media.
And Bush/Americans like him are accomplishing all this DESPITE the typical Euro-citizen and their wannabe cousins in the US, which are often driven by a lovely combination of envy, laziness and deep-seated aversion to facts/logic. Example A of this type of dork: G-Spank.
Thanks, Spanky-boy.
MW: “married,” as in something G-Spank will never be…
okay, I take that back… Kate’s throwing insults at you. well, suck it up –
Gee, Kate. So, being married is like, “the thing” now? Being married validates? No thanks. You can keep it. I don’t believe in the sanctity of divorce.
Steve Jobs is the ONLY democrat that I would ever vote for.
Wow, Kate.
That’s all I have to say: wow.
Hey, Doc. You’re my kind of physician. Need a “patient”?
Kate
MW: taken, as in don’t be taken’ that too seriously…
California iGovernor: Apple, Pixar CEO Steve Jobs?
NO WAY please…. We love him, and we need him so do the other IT companies need him too, esp M$. They all need his new ideas so that the whole IT indutries can continue copy……
Look somewhere else like Spielberg, Tom hanks, Tom cruise, George Lucas, Miceal Jackson or Jordan, Bill cosby etc etc….
Funny how liberals are always the ones with the potty mouths. They also make good parrots.
Last I heard, govmt revenues were up and the economy was doing well. Oh and yeah, Saddam won’t help terrorists get nuclear weapons.
Lastly, liberals are weak minded people. They can be convinced of anything when proof stares them right in the face.
Peace…out!
bartsimpsonhead
I guess the brit schools are now as bad as those in California. Fourteen grammar and spelling mistakes in one post. Tut tut.
Macdude said:
“Lastly, liberals are weak minded people.”
Yeah, like Steve Jobs. You see how he’s failed in the tech world.
Ron,
What a stupid post.
You ever here the adage that “women want to be taken care of?” Well, that is why most of them vote for democrats. The democratic “men” are nothing more than men that also need to be taken care of. In other words, you need your big mommy government to give you a sense of safty.
Grow up. Liberals suck and are destroying the country. Just look at what they did to Russia. (Yes, liberals support many of the tenets of communisim but don’t know it).
You are a useful idiot.
And by the way: Bush sucks in my opinion. He’s not a true Republican.
– Mark
Mark said:
“The democratic “men” are nothing more than men that also need to be taken care of. In other words, you need your big mommy government to give you a sense of safty.”
Uh, excuse me. But polls have shown again and again that cons voted for Bush in 2004 out of their need for safety — that they didn’t trust Bush with the economy or domestic issues, but they betrayed themselves and voted for their safety.
Let’s face it, the 2 party syste (seriously, third parties don’t even stand a chance) here in the United States is starting to tear this country in half (just look at 2004 election, there was so much hate in this country).
If you look at the election data from the past elections, you see that the country is starting to get so close the 50-50 margin that it’s terrifying.
Eventually the democratic government that we live in is going to break down because of political parties.
Our first president warned everyone about the party system. Now, his warning makes a lot more sense now.
Seriously, analyze how people vote. More than half the time they vote for whoever is running for their party or who looks the best.
This country is starting to (hell try already has) form(ed) a negative image. Let’s face it; the majority of people in Europe (and around the world) hate Bush. Yet, at the same time, Europeans (and people around the world) don’t really like Kerry. If those are the best two people they could find to run this country, we are all in big trouble.
If we actually take the time and look at who’s running for president/any office and make an informed choice, this country wouldn’t be half bad.
Also, we have to start voting more. Just because we’re not voting for president doesn’t me we shouldn’t go out and vote. It’s the little things that really affect us.
Also, our country is in a huge deficit problem. We should adopt an “only spend as much as we have” mentality. The government should be a lot more careful on how they spend money.
Also, let’s all agree that the government does a lot of “sneaky” and “top-secret” things. Why should it be top-secret? What do they have to hide? Obviously if they have to label something “top-secret” its something we voters probably don’t like. This country needs to be less secretive and corrupt.
Who do I blame for all of this? I blame YOU…the people. The only reason why we have buffoons running this country is because of US. Not a rich guy or powerful person, it’s US.
Get this; this is all coming from a 17 year old. Yes, a 17 year old. If it’s clear that I can understand the current situation in this country, it has to be a lot worse then what I or even you may imagine.
When I go to register to vote, I’m going to register to be an independent. Reason is because I’m going to follow the ONE true leader of this country, George Washington.
[PowerMac]
Mark,
And by the way, your post is stupid. The adage that “women want to be taken care of?” leads them to “vote for democrats” which leads to “democratic “men” are nothing more than men that also need to be taken care of? which leads to “you need your big mommy government to give you a sense of safty?”
Those must be some meds you’re on. Like, total word association mind drool.
What does this whole thread show:
That Americans are STILL SO divided as a nation of people and this division isn’t just I disagree with you on this or that issue. The division is a DEEP Left vs Right, Bush vs anti-Bush vitriolic and hateful one (as evidenced by 80%+ of the above posts).
If I was American I wouldn’t be worried about the opinion the rest of the world has of Americans, but rather what half of America thinks about the other half (that is a much BIGGER problem). From the outside looking in, it is becoming clear you hate eachother!
my 2 cents
Luke
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PS – this post will probably unite many Americans in an attack againt me. This isn’t meant as an attack against America, more of a concern that as an Australian (we have always been friends) I see a great nation tearing itself apart socially.
All this BS about Bush being evil and just trying to get rich off the war is such a load of shit. I voted for Bush. I don’t think he’s one of the greatest Presidents, but overall I think he’s a good man who is truly doing what he believes is bet for his country, and the world.
The Iraq war is not about oil. Saddam Hussein was an evil, insane oppressor. If you think the world is not a better place without him, ask one of the relatives of the thousands of people he gassed, shot, blew up, tortured, raped, etc. Europeans ought to be happier about him being gone than Americans because he actually could have reached Europe with a missile.
As for the WMDs, no, there weren’t any found. But there were weapons used against Allied Forces that he was not supposed to have. The UN did nothing but the equivalent of saying, “Now Saddam, we talked about this! You’re being naughty!” for years. Surprisingly, it didn’t work. It was time to cut the bullshit and take care of the problem.
War is hell. Innocent people die. It’s unfortunate, but in the end, good will come of it. It’s easy to look at what’s going on over there and wonder what good it’s creating. People probably thought the same thing about the American Revolution at one time or another. It was bloody. Thousands died, but in the end, they died for a good cause. The same will be true in Iraq.
For all you conspiracy theorists out there, get over yourselves. What boring lives you must lead in order to cling to such outlandish nonsense.
Hey LukeinOz –
No need for you to worry about us – we were born of vitriolic debate and thrive in it… it’s the nations who march in ideological lockstep (or who give up debate in abject apathy) that you have to keep an eye on. We’ll be okay as long as we keep at each other’s throats.
Your concern, however, is appreciated…
G-Spank:
Are you giving up? That’s so sad. Please enlighten the world with your wisdom some more. I thought, we had some good point/counter point going, but you gave up… rolled over and exposed your crouch. Com’ on where’s you’re the superioir intellect? Could it be you never had it?
Here’s something for ya Bob, Ron, and all you pro-Bush spend happy neo-cons…
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/index.html
G Spank. My man, you cannot point to any evidence of fault to the Bush administration because (hmm, not much unlike anti-Apple sentiments on this site) any negative press on Bush and Co. will always be labeled “liberal media.” It’s a no-win situation. Mac evangelists, Christian evangelists, conservative evangelists — anything you throw their way that denounces their platform in any way will be labeled apologist, evil, self-loathing, and so on. It’s like trying to teach a pig to sing.
G Spank,
After much trial and error, it became clear to me that we can’t change beliefs with ideas. Beliefs aren’t about taking information and drawing conclusions, they’re about adopting beliefs and then finding information to support them. Add in polarization and there’s little method or promise of making peace. Rove perfected the tactic of going after the messenger instead of the message. Along with this is the power of distraction and not having to give expensive concessions when you can give cheap ones. Bush will never legalize abortion when he can continually sell it as a reason for keeping him in power.
We must wait until the people supporting these strategies actually feel the pain from them. And I’m talking more than just high gas prices.
Magic Word: FACT
Dear Readers/Posters,
For those of you who claim Conservatism as your own, keep in mind that a tenet of the Conservative Agenda (throughout history and today) is to neuter government as a business watchdog, eliminate the middle class, restore aristocracy (of wealth rather than lineage) and create a feudal state. So, as you support Conservatives and Republicans (typically representatives of Conservatism), if you are not part of the fabulously wealthy class, you are simply being used as a pawn (read: vote) to support the agenda of the elite (under the guise of protecting morality, family values, pro-life and the sanctity of marriage, etc.). The end result will be their victory and your being relegated to the mass poor working class, and your support for their victory will not be returned with thanks or favors.
please, for the love of god stop saying bush has integrity and is a strong leader. my god….he wa was drunk, drug addict, and had to be told to leave that classroom by an aid or he NEVER would have. what kind of strong leader would have acted like that. what bush needs is a bullet to the head. and im saying that as a patriotic american that cares about this country.
MW: end