“It’s unclear to me how many free passes the hyperbolic Steve Jobs gets, but clearly he’s reaching the end of his allotment: Last year, he promised a 3 GHz G5 by June 30, but this week, Apple upgraded the G5 line to 1.8 GHz and 2 GHz dual processor models, with a third model, sporting a liquid-cooled 2.5 GHz processor due ‘in July’ (if we can believe that claim). So 3 GHz isn’t happening anytime soon,” Paul Thurrott writes for Paul Thurrott’s Internet-Nexus.
“…when I complain about Apple, this is pretty much the type of thing I’m talking about. There is a line between ‘promotion’ and ‘bald-faced lying,’ and Apple just crosses it a little too often for my tastes. For example, when the company writes, ‘now the Power Mac G5 offers dual processor models across the board at 1.8GHz, 2GHz and 2.5GHz, for a substantial speed boost at the top of the line,’ that’s an exageration, because the 2.5 GHz model is not available now at all, and given Apple’s history, might not meet its expected July release date as well. making that ‘substantial speed boost at the top of the line’ a little less compelling … now,” Thurrott writes.
“And when Jobs boasts about 3 GHz processors and 100 million iTunes downloads, well, that’s just irresponsible. I suspect shareholders are happy enough about the company’s other successes that they’re willing to overlook a few indiscretions. But that won’t always be the case and arguably should never be the case anyway,” Thurrott writes.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: We agree with, and only with, what we’ve quoted from Paul Thurrott above. Now hell has really frozen over. Granted, we have to wait until June 23 to make sure Jobs doesn’t have any tricks up his sleeve, but it doesn’t look like it right now. This Thurrott article is exactly the type of thing SteveJack predicted would happen in his article “Apple CEO Jobs misses ‘3Ghz G5 within a year’ prediction by wide margin” – see link below.
Related MacDailyNews articles:
Steve Jobs needs to stop making predictions he can’t hit – June 09, 2004
Apple CEO Jobs misses ‘3Ghz G5 within a year’ prediction by wide margin – June 09, 2004
“patented corporately-artistic green arrow buttons”
Should read as “with Microsoft’s patented corporately-artistic green arrow buttons”
Wow, a lot of you guys get pretty antsy in the pants when it comes to negative Apple news. Windows isn’t that bad. It just requires more babying than OSX.
Wait a sec… I agree Steve shouldn’t make such bold public predictions, or at least it is unwise especially with his current track record. But the guy only goes on the news he receives from the people that report things to him. Sure, he’s enthusiastic about his products and wants his customers to be too. And, by and large, he’s correct.
I dug up this link:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/12/ibm_90nm_g5_chip/
You’ll notice that in Feb. of this year IBM itself (the chip supplier for the G5) was optimistic that they would be at 90nm and easily cruising to 3Ghz by summer. So, who’s fault is it that Apple hasn’t made the promise? Besides, AMD and Intel are having the same problems so, those of you out there who really have to care about this stuff and what platform is the fastest are all going to have to wait.
Where is “trustworthy computing” Thurrott? Or what about Longhorn or hell, even Windows XP SP2? So where is your column about Bill Gates being a bald-faced liar? A hypocritical jackass is what you are…
Stephen L. “As for Thurott, what’s the problem? Are you so blinded by your zeal for macs that one bloke can upset you so much. I read his website for an alternative view to the standard Apple line so often touted by mac websites.
Sometimes balance is good…”
And I suppose that sometimes you put vinegar in your coffee as well as sugar, spread shite on your bread as well as butter, piss in your gas tank as well as put gas in.
Plenty of alternative viewpoints out there without choosing Turdrot who is so obviously just being a troll to gain hit points.
Al, the reason IBM is going to 90nm CPUs is so they can run over 3ghz without liquid. Small die means cooler CPUs. Ask Intel why they just dumped billions of dollars fitting their factories for 90nm and 65nm processes. The reason the 2.5 runs with a liquid cool system is it is not a 90nm CPU, just an extremely overclocked 1.8. You change the system bus on a computer main board to overclock a processor in a computer so it will run at a higher frequency, and when you do this you have to run liquid. You buy the 2.5 you get old technology. Apple has done this in the past, they will do it again when they need to sell hardware. If their is not something more to this, how come nowhere on Apple’s site do you read anything about a new 90nm processor technology? It’s because Apple has painted flames on the 1.8 and called it a 2.5 LC edition. Is anyone else seeing this? Please logically respond. Please.
buck, these new g5s are not 90nm? I know apple has dumped old tech in the past on unsuspecting customers, you think now?
In your
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Steve didnt promise anything, he said the plan was to go 3gz by the end of summer, look at the video for yourselves http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf04/
but even so nothing beats the rev a 2Gz dual.
Mario, it’s a good thing your computer only has an on switch, or you might get confused. Try
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc03/
He says, at that time, “within 12 months” and a graphic split screen says exactly that as well.
The only thing worse than Thurrott is the mapple brown nosers making myriad excuses for Steve. Why? He doesn’t know you, and unless you have two grand and a need for more computer than most, doesn’t care about you. Get over it.
And Mario, because I know your time is valuable and don’t want to lose any Special Olympics training time, start watching about 1:40.00 in.
On the technical white paper on the G5 it is specifically said that these chips are 90nm.
[url=http://www.apple.com/powermac/pdf/PowerPCG5_WP_06092004.pdf]http://www.apple.com/powermac/pdf/PowerPCG5_WP_06092004.pdf[/url]
My bad, make it 1:50 in. Time is money……..or something.
No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer.
Hmmm, stop whining, damn.
1) The FIRST day of summer is June 21, it is still spring.
2) The current G5 kicks the shit out of Xeons and P4’s and I have the G5 to prove it. The “PC Press” couldn’t find their A*s with their hands tied behing their back.
3) Sure seems like a lot of Megahertz envy out there. Even Intel has owned up to the Megahertz Myth.
4) Apple is now selling a dual 2 gHz G5 with an 8x DVD drive for $500 less than days ago and a dual 2.5 G5 with a 1.25 gHz Bus and 8xDVD drive for the same price they were asking for the Dual 2.0.
5) If Steve Jobs HAD a 3.0 gHz G5, he wouldn’t say a word right now anyhow.
6) The next time someone posts about how the current G5 is inadequate, please tell us the specs of your current rig and how many Mars probes you are designing that require more computer than Apple sells now. My money is that most G5 complainers are wannabes running a G4 iMac and think playing Halo or Unreal Tournament is a good use for a $3000 + computer.
And noPC, if he DIDN’T have a 3.0 ghz g5, he wouldn’t say anything either. Would have been an ok plan a year ago too.
He has until June 23 to show the 3.0. It’s the same calendar everyone else uses. Sooner would be better, since he said “within” 12 months, but I am ready to give him all the time he needs.
One of the coolest things about the 2004 macworld video that Mario linked is the ipod discussion. Steve goes on and on, with a huge backround that simply says “MARKETSHARE” about how the ipod is dominating its small niche in the consumer electronics world. Funny how it matters for some products, and not for others, eh?
Steve is a heck of an emcee btw, these vids are great.
Looks like our friend Paul isn’t too good at the prediction business either. This chap has a few examples of Paul (incorrectly) predicting the demise of iTMS:
http://blog.wilsonet.com/archives/000106.html
But of course we should take Paul seriously, since he runs the “SuperSite for Windows!!!!” where Steve only runs a crummy computer company.
So Thurrott oozed his opinion once more. Who cares? It’s the same BS everytime. We’re paying far to much attention to this man. He’s the king of vaporware. I’ve talked to this guy, it’s a waste of time!
Has anyone read Pauls review on his powerbook purchase …
He complains that the sales person was trying to sell him accessory’s .. ahh no kidding that what they are suppose to do Paul “hint: sales person”.
You know I bet Paul even complains about his own wet dreams what a wast of internet space.
how come nowhere on Apple’s site do you read anything about a new 90nm processor technology? It’s because Apple has painted flames on the 1.8 and called it a 2.5 LC edition. Is anyone else seeing this? Please logically respond. Please.
Buckie please do us a favour and GO to the Apple site.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/
Then download the PPC G% white paper PDF (in the centre)
last page (15)
specs:
58 million transistors
90nm SOI process
66mm square die
It’s all there if you look.
IMHO the liquid cooling is there to quieten down the faster chips so the “wind tunnel noise” becomes less of a problem.
Also it will give them more headroom for future Mhz bumps, the problem is they can’t make them fast enough.
One ‘silver lining’ that no one seems to want to see:
Look at the benchmarks for the top-end 2.5 model!
Compare to opposition.
Imagine what it those benchmarks might be like if a dual-core ‘975’ ships at 3.2GHz, a 1.6GHz FSB, and DDR2 memory.
I’d settle for a missed target today, to have that in another year.
“One of the new Power Mac G5 systems is Apple’s first Power Mac with IBM Corp.’s new 90-nanometer PowerPC 970FX chip, which runs at 2.5GHz and features a 1.25GHz front-side bus. A total of three dual-processor configurations are available for order through Apple’s Web site or the company’s retail stores; the other two configurations use older PowerPC processors.
The high-end 2.5GHz Power Mac system features liquid cooling to remove heat from the processor. All PCs use some type of cooling technology, but most use a fan. Liquid cooling technology is generally found in high-end gaming PCs or special systems for high-performance computing or scientific applications.
The new 970FX processor is much smaller than its 0.13-micron predecessor, which means the heat from the CPU (central processing unit) is more concentrated, said Tom Boger, senior director of product marketing for Apple. The new chip is consuming roughly the same amount of power as the older chip, and a more sophisticated system is needed to remove the heat from the processor die.
Apple is using a closed-loop liquid cooling system comprised mostly of water with some propylene glycol, Boger said. It is transparent to the user and maintenance-free, he said.”
MDN: I’m finding that your headline for this article is incorrect in that there are no quote marks around the words “Tech writer”.
New rumour: paul is dead