“It’s unclear to me how many free passes the hyperbolic Steve Jobs gets, but clearly he’s reaching the end of his allotment: Last year, he promised a 3 GHz G5 by June 30, but this week, Apple upgraded the G5 line to 1.8 GHz and 2 GHz dual processor models, with a third model, sporting a liquid-cooled 2.5 GHz processor due ‘in July’ (if we can believe that claim). So 3 GHz isn’t happening anytime soon,” Paul Thurrott writes for Paul Thurrott’s Internet-Nexus.
“…when I complain about Apple, this is pretty much the type of thing I’m talking about. There is a line between ‘promotion’ and ‘bald-faced lying,’ and Apple just crosses it a little too often for my tastes. For example, when the company writes, ‘now the Power Mac G5 offers dual processor models across the board at 1.8GHz, 2GHz and 2.5GHz, for a substantial speed boost at the top of the line,’ that’s an exageration, because the 2.5 GHz model is not available now at all, and given Apple’s history, might not meet its expected July release date as well. making that ‘substantial speed boost at the top of the line’ a little less compelling … now,” Thurrott writes.
“And when Jobs boasts about 3 GHz processors and 100 million iTunes downloads, well, that’s just irresponsible. I suspect shareholders are happy enough about the company’s other successes that they’re willing to overlook a few indiscretions. But that won’t always be the case and arguably should never be the case anyway,” Thurrott writes.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: We agree with, and only with, what we’ve quoted from Paul Thurrott above. Now hell has really frozen over. Granted, we have to wait until June 23 to make sure Jobs doesn’t have any tricks up his sleeve, but it doesn’t look like it right now. This Thurrott article is exactly the type of thing SteveJack predicted would happen in his article “Apple CEO Jobs misses ‘3Ghz G5 within a year’ prediction by wide margin” – see link below.
Related MacDailyNews articles:
Steve Jobs needs to stop making predictions he can’t hit – June 09, 2004
Apple CEO Jobs misses ‘3Ghz G5 within a year’ prediction by wide margin – June 09, 2004
For those who haven’t seen Longhorn’s newest build. Check how much they copied OS X.
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/05/18/longhorn.html?page=1
as a prospective switcher (and mac fan), I’m amazed at the tinted glasses most posters here seem to see through.
Granted, most mac models are superb computers, but Apple as a company has consistently missed shipping dates, broken promises and damn-near lied about its products.
Let’s be honest. This release is piss-poor and is only creating such a fuss because of your Messiah’s blind comments last year. Jobs may well be an innovator and visionary, but he’s also a salesman. Don’t forget that.
As for Thurott, what’s the problem? Are you so blinded by your zeal for macs that one bloke can upset you so much. I read his website for an alternative view to the standard Apple line so often touted by mac websites.
Sometimes balance is good…
Stock
Ironically, Longhorn will have a built in Acrobat killer that will allow you to ‘print’ to a PDF file and will be just as feature rich as Acrobat is now.
If they don’t actively defend Photoshop on both platforms Adobe could be in big trouble if and when Longhorn arrives.
Stephen L
It’s a damn good thing Microsoft doesn’t lie or miss shipping dates. Thank goodness Dell doesn’t lie or bait and switch on it’s website. Intel never releases bogus benchmark scores.
It is good that Apple is held to a higher standard.
Let me repost.
IBM had just saved Apple’s bacon by producing 2 GHz chips that were as good as or better than the competition. They put Apple back in the game big time.
They also promised Steve that they would have the 90 nm process down pat by year’s end and 3 GHz chips by this time next year.
Steve passed that promise along. The buck stops at Steve but to hold him responsible for IBM’s, Pepsico’s or Motorola’s delays or screw ups is just being an A$$HOLE.
“Today, Windows XP and its task-based interface”
I am forced to use XP at work and I don’t know what this refers to. What is a “task-based interface” and how does it differ from anything else out there today? But speaking of tasks, I do know I hate the way XP stacks documents of the same application in the task pane. It requires one more step to pull up the page I want that I don’t need.
The only reason to liquid cool a CPU is if you have taken a slower CPU that is not able to be cooled by a traditional heatsink and overclock it to death, then it requires liquid to cool it. PC gamers have been doing this for years and there are businesses out there that do nothing but sell liquid cooling products to PC folks who overclock their CPUs.
Apple has taken the 1.8 gigger and overclocked it until it now requires a liquid cooling device. You are really paying for two 1.8 giggers and a liquid cooling device. Think about it. PC folks crank up their system bus speed and the result is an overclocked CPU. If you go to the Apple store the bus of the 2.5s is 125. Overclocked. IBM is no better off than any other CPU manufacturer out there. They hipe their product news to build excitement to raise their stock prices. EVERYBODY does it. O-V-E-R-C-L-O-C-K-E-D.
d: XP Sucks, but you can turn off that annoying stacking feature by going to the opening the “Task & Start Menu properties” and uncheck “Group simmilar taskbar buttons”.
Steve Jobs is a bigmouth fag. But Maczealots kiss his ass anyway.
Buckie
The new cooling system was designed for a 3 GHz chip that IBM was supposed to have ready by now. 2.5 GHz in quantity is the best IBM can do. Can you get your head around the fact that the cooling system is over-designed for the available chips? There is another reason.
Did Steve specifically a SINGLE 3GHz chip? From the quotes I’ve seen he stated that Apple will be at 3GHz. But he didn’t specify that would be reached with one chip. I would assume that all dual 2.5GHz would blow the doors off a single 3GHz, so who cares?
There is a banner hanging in one of the Microsoft buildings stating, “Longhorn: No more hangups, no more crashes, no more reboots”. Should Microsoft ever release the bloatware, everything on that banner will be a flat-out lie.
If I remember when Windows 95 was released Bill Gates said in three years we would have totally revamped our operating system. That was a lie and it wasn’t until 2001 6 years that Microsoft actually accomplished this with Windows XP. Gates also announced that in 2005 Microsoft will totally revolutionize it’s platform again … and now that doesn’t seem that it will happen until 2007 or even 2008. I won’t even start on Nvidia false claims I don’t have enough time.
So it’s not just Apple that does this type of hype of products it’s the entire computer market it’s just that Apple is still the poster child for computers and it seems that if they say that they are going to reach a mark … they better go above that mark.
I still have faith I think that Steve has something up his turtle neck sleeve or why would they announce a new computer this close to their show. The Mac faithful will shout ha I told you so.
Crap writer Turt-rot writes: Hey, where is the successor of the Intel’s Pentium 4 man?
hey thurrott, no mention of IBM’s lies in getting that 3GHz processor out faster huh?
thanks prick
guys.. go to macrumors to get the quote from the Apple guy regarding chips..
not surprisingly, he mentions they were on track, but didn’t forsee IBM production problems… and the powerbook g5 isn’t coming anytimes soon either.
what’s the big deal anyway? if you’re hanging on for a 3GHz you keep hanging, if you already went for the “slow” machines then you still got the fastest machine. oh and the quote was “Within 12 months, we will be at 3GHz … Believe me, this architecture has legs.” there’s nothing there about shipping. and if you want to really get pernickety, who is the “we” SJ refers to? presumably Apple will already be working on faster prototypes…
considering apple has 3% of the market, I’m quite surprised at the amount of press it gets. why, outside of it’s core user base, would anybody care?
ma: take a look at the Longhorn preview article linked above.
Apple is important because no matter how fucked up the company may be at any particular time Apple is the company that innovates and the others follow behind knocking off.
Bad as windows is, can you imagine how awful an OS it would have been without Apple around?
“considering apple has 3% of the market, I’m quite surprised at the amount of press it gets. why, outside of it’s core user base, would anybody care?”
Because what Apple has today determines what kind of technology PC users are going to be able to use in 12-24 months. Duh!
Why do you give Thurrott ANY space. The man is a shill and sycophant. Any creedence shown is like giving a mouse acookie. They just want milk too.
He is the definition of ID 10 T.
Calling Jobs a bald face liar is just going too far. A lot of people here need to go take a powder and detox. Thurrott is a chirping, carping idiot perched on the sidelines ready to pounce with the authority and following of a trash hauler.
Everybody, go back to work, and chill till Apple figures a way to chill a G5 Powerbook.
I only have a Titanium 400 but it is better then a window crap machine
Thurrott is a moron
“‘now the Power Mac G5 offers dual processor models across the board at 1.8GHz, 2GHz and 2.5GHz, for a substantial speed boost at the top of the line,’ that’s an exageration, because the 2.5 GHz model is not available now at all”
I suppose it’s how you read the comment above….. I read it that the new processors offer a spped boot, in all configerations, greater than previously available. Thurrott read it as: new computers are available to be purchased, right now.
I really think though, that we shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth. The “new” systems look pretty darn good, maybe not at the 3 mark as so many of you have expected (or is that held your breath for?), but it is none the less a marked improvement.
I just wish Apple’d put the G5 in a PowerBook….. sigh…
“I am forced to use XP at work and I don’t know what this refers to. What is a “task-based interface” and how does it differ from anything else out there today? But speaking of tasks, I do know I hate the way XP stacks documents of the same application in the task pane. It requires one more step to pull up the page I want that I don’t need.”
Micro$oft’s “innovative” task-based interface is nothing more than buzzwords wrapped around this concept, they want your everyday computing experience to be the same as the job of a low paid laborer.
For example in XP to search from a window you have to:
1)Press F3 to open the search pane
2) You are presented with a list of 90% meaningless search options patented corporately-artistic green arrow buttons, and a picture of a gay dog asking you stupid questions.
3)Waste 10 seconds of your time skimming the options.
4)Click on “Search for All files” the only useful option.
4)FINALLY type in your search criteria
5)Click the search button.
Whereas Apple’s “inferior” interface requires the following steps to achieve the same result.
1)Click in search field and start typing…oh and it starts to query for what you type in instantly, narrowing down the options as you type.
So OS X does MORE in LESS than 1/5 the “tasks” as Windoze.
When Longhorn comes out EVERYTHING will be “task-based” like that. Trying to find files, trying to find contacts, email, etc. All of your digital entertainment files will be locked in WMP 10’s useless bloated interface.