“The Texas man who jumped-started the effort to get Windows XP to dual-boot on Intel-based Macs posted the winning solution on his site Thursday, and said the contest’s cash prize of nearly $14,000 had been won by a pair of Californians,” Gregg Keizer reports for TechWeb News. “In January, Colin Nederkoorn of Houston began taking donations for a prize to be awarded to the first developer who came up with a way to boot an Intel Mac into either Mac OS X or Windows XP. Within days, he had raised thousands. Nederkoorn had a selfish reason for the contest: He wanted to downsize from two machines — a PowerPC-based Mac and a PC running Windows — that he was using at work to just one, an Intel MacBook Pro he’d ordered as soon as Apple debuted the new systems.”
“Two men collaborated to come up with the solution, said Nederkoorn. Although he said they lived in California, he wouldn’t disclose their names, saying that they wanted to remain anonymous for now,” Keizer reports. “To produce a dual-boot Mac, users must customize a Windows XP installation CD by burning a new disc that includes the custom bootloader files. The Mac must also be partitioned — a disk partitioning utility is included with the machine — so that Mac OS X and Windows XP can co-exist on the same drive. Nederkoorn was very satisfied with the solution. ‘The Mac runs Windows extremely well,’ he said… ‘There are driver issues right now. There’s not a good video driver for Windows XP,’ he said. ‘And the Mac crashes when you shut down Windows. People are going to need to talk to each other and share [information]… I think this could be a big boom for Apple,’ Nederkoorn agreed. ‘On a dual-boot, Windows is directly accessing [Intel’s] Core Duo [processor]. I’ve never had a laptop this fast.'”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: As we asked back in early June 2005, using “Dell” as a stand in for all Windows box assemblers, “Why buy a Dell when Apple ‘Macintel’ computers will run both Mac OS X and Windows?” Wait until Wall Street figures this one out. With a few issues left to iron out, it’s almost time to shut down the company and give the money back to the shareholders, Mikey.
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They should remain anonymous forever. The IRS will be all over their as#es to collect taxes on that nearly $14,000.00 as soon as they say who they are.
erst3
So how do you do it exactly. Details please, I miss Carmagedon.
“Intel-based Apple Mac runs Windows XP ‘fast, extremely well'”
So f-ing what. XP runs fast on POS Gateways too.
MDN, please stop reporting on this. Now that we’ve climbed Everest and have XP on a Mac, let’s all clean our collective shorts and boot back into Mac OS X.
Hey is there a prize if I get TRS-DOS (ancient Radio Shack DOS) running on a Mac? There might be some apps there I’d like to run on a Mac too.
keep this away from me . . . keep it away.
Yes this is good news, I also want to get rid of my Windows machine and consolidate to MacBook Pro only. Those who whine “Why would anyone want to boot Windows on their Mac” are nuts. Why have two machines?? Some of us need to access Windows apps and web pages that are not accessible on Macs. Uh . . . has anyone ever heard of Quickbooks Online Edition?? Can’t access that site on a Mac, period. My whole business is run on QBO Edition and I can’t access the site through my MBP. It’s not that we’re crazy or want to invite viruses, we don’t want two machines. Call me crazy but I’m dying to see Windows on Intel Macs.
Does anyone know if this new hack will include Windows Vista?
Get the instructions and software here. http://download.onmac.net/
MDN please continue reporting and updating us on the progress of this latest discovery. Disregard the individuals with no business sense. This is big for Apple and any switcher on the fence. This will sway buyers if they realize they could continue to use their “important” Windows apps on a Mac and using the Mac as their primary machine for email, browsing, etc. More people using Macs, means more software developed for the platform. How stupid can some of you be??? This is huge asshats!
Windows runs on a Mac, BIG FRIGGIN’ DEAL.
Idiots of the world rejoice I guess!
“I got Windows to run on a Mac!”
“WTF?”
“Uhhhhh…….duhhhh……..”
‘And the Mac crashes when you shut down Windows.’
Anything more to say? Please, stick to your OS’ses:
Mac runs OS X
PC runs Windows
Anything else is perhaps needed, but still far away from running stable.
This is great news: The Blue Screen of Death comes to the Mac! Whooopeee!
“And the Mac crashes when you shut down Windows.”
But is a Mac if it’s running Windoze? Maybe its an Apple PeeCee?
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stfu
After a complex sequence, anyone can ram-jam a Ford engine into their Porsche using these instructions. It makes it run as fast as other Fords, but it still has most of the maintenance problems of Ford engines.
Ah… okay… your point is what…?
sacrilege!!!
If you have no need to run Windows on your mac, that’s great. Really. I’m happy for you.
However, please understand that many of us DO have a real need to run Windows. I can understand that from the perspective of someone who doesn’t need Windows, putting it on a Mac can seem like a stupid or pointless idea. Would those people try to understand that from our perspective it is a huge leap forward in the functionality of our mac?
Obviously we would all prefer to have some sort of virtualization or emulation solution, but until that comes along, this is by far better than VirtualPC.
So please, please shut up with the “ZOMG WHY RUN WINDOZE ON A MAC WTFWTF” comments, you’re just embarrassing yourself.
Thanks MDN for covering this and for recognizing the importance of this to the mac platform, and many of its users.
If our friend “whatever” was alive in 1903….he opens his newspaper…..
DATELINE – Kitty Hawk, NC – Dec 17, 1903 — After years of hard work, aborted attempts, and practice glider flights, a pair of bicycle builders from Dayton, Ohio, Wilbur and Orville Wright, managed the first powered flight of what is being called an ‘airplane’. Wilbur was only aloft for 12 seconds and observers said, ‘the course of the flight up and down was exceedingly erratic, partly due to the irregularity of the air, and partly to lack of experience in handling this machine.’ Nevertheless, experts are crediting the Wright Brothers with the first manned, powered flight. At this time, the practical applications of such an achievement are unclear until they make additional flights.—–
“whatever” responds…
” So f–ing what. My horse runs faster on the ground. It is exceedingly beautiful, and it loves me. I understand it, and I can ride it much longer than 12 seconds. Please stop reporting on this. Now that we’ve climbed the mountain and have this stupid “air-thingy”, let’s all clean our collective shorts and get back on our horses. Hey, is there a prize if I can get sound to work in movies? I’d sure like to be able to hear those actors say words.”
Very easy instructions and downloadable files at all these sites.
harrisonjordan.com/Winxponmac_0.1.zip
leewilkins.com/share/winxponmac0.1.zip
http://www.jerrybrace.com/Winxponmac 0.1.zip
http://www.geekdinner.co.uk/winxponmac0.1.zip
http://www.apple.tempex.sk/wordpress/Winxponmac 0.1.zip
For driver issues check out wiki.onmac.net/
Not a big fan of this, My boss sees the day we only purchae the PC versions of software for me to use on my Macs. He questions if the Macs will be needed now that there are efforts to dual boot them he dismisses the need of them even more. This is a sad day.
It can be done in under 3o minutes, but you need a PC and a copy of Windows XP.
I would clone the present Mac OS X to a external and disconnect it before tampering.
So far it’s been run successfully on two Macbook Pro’s, iMacTels and MiniTels.
Welcome to Windows Mac users, it’s not as bad as you led to beleive.
Guys:
Hold on before you get too excited. Apple (or any of its retailers) CANNOT promote this. It is an illegal hack of Windows — a violation of the DMCA. Apple promoting this hack would be as legal as Dell promoting the various OSX for Intel hacks as a way to load OSX on a Dell.
Sorry, y’all.
Rainy Day said: “ But is a Mac if it’s running Windoze? Maybe its an Apple PeeCee?”
But really meant: But is it a Mac if it’s running Windoze? Maybe its an Apple PeeCee?
While partly in jest, there is, nonetheless, a really serious philosophical question in there too. Part of (most of) what makes a Mac a Mac is the OS. Mac hardware running Windoze is devoid of its soul.
I’m telling you, Apple is transitioning to be a regular PC vendor
Hundreds of thousands of iMactels in schools and graphic shops will now be converted to Windows XP to comply with the rest of the world.
Those in IT who have to put up with Mac OS X and it’s snotty userbase now can change things without buying new hardware.
Face it folks, it’s over for Apple.
And “its” should have been “it’s”! <sigh>
I don’t know what to make of my fellow mac-users that don’t see the usefulness of this. Over the past 12 years, I have to wean every new employee off their PC bigotry, including my book-keeper. The lone hold-out in the group said, upon hearing this news on Gizmodo ” I’m there”. When we can run our PC only apps and use QB Pro Online to network, and use small business groupware that don’t exist in Macland, then all our problems are solved, as they are for hundreds of thousands of other small and medium sized businesses that need this solution to work. Virtual PC just didn’t work well enough.
MacDude: Better go to your shrink and get your med’s checked.
“How stupid can some of you be???”
“We will no longer invest in Mac OS X, because Macs are being made to run Windows, by far the dominant OS. All future releases will be Windows only”.
What happens when third-party vendors embrace this statement?
iLife is great, but I don’t want to rely on Apple for EVERYthing Mac.
Stupid is being blinded by this “switchers on the fence” idea. Stupid is not fully thinking through the implications and all possible outcomes. What if Windows-on-Mac backfires and cuts deep into Apple?
Good one, mac dude…
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Yeh-heh-hehesssss … there he is. And about as useful as tits on a bull.
I tell you ‘MacDude’, you are truly earning your reputation of being de King Winwhore. Yeh-heh-hehessss, already a slut at de tender age of 14! No really, not even Gary Coleman sold out that fast.
WHAT?!? Come onnnn … I can keed. I keed because I care. I care about you nerds. And de PC whores, too. Like MacDude.
Oh, and by de way, I lick a lot of bums, but never my own.
“Face it folks, it’s over for Apple.
“Hundreds of thousands” of users aren’t going to go through the hoops of hacking XP to run on Macs. And no sane IT department is going to take on the legal & support issues of a hacked-to-fit OS. If a department is that anti-Mac they’ll just get PCs.
I won’t mention the large installed base of PowerPC Macs that won’t ever be booting XP…
Like I said before now, The Steve is a fsking genius!
As filthy as windblows is, it does own the market and mind share of a lot of people. Now that Apple makes computers able to run Mac OS X, Linux and Windblows, why buy anything else?
Rock on Steve!
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This is no threat to Apple, as those willing to pay (perceptibly) more for a Mac obviously want to use Mac OS X. Have you seen the rate at which Mac apps have been converted to universal binaries?
There are driver issues and “the Mac crashes when you shut down Windows.” and they say it runs fast extremely well. That’s Windows’ version of stability for you. If a Mac running on bland-box PC hardware crashed when shutting down, no Mac user would say it ran extremely well.
Reminds of my Windows brainwashed friend when I told him how malware free my Mac is. First he tells me how trouble free his PC is, but when I ask more questions, he tells me he doesn’t use the Internet much. Ha.
Yeah, my car runs just fine. Of course I only use it to go back and forth in my drive way. Windows mentality, I tell you.
Haven’t time to read all the posts (just off to bed), but presumably someone has pointed out the obvious: that it seems extremely unlikely the Monopolies Commission (Anti-Trust gang in the US, I believe) will allow Apple to keep their OS in our lovely, hermetically sealed environment once Macs can boot Windows et al? What if Apple were, as a consequence, forced to open OSX to all those box builders in the interests of a fair playing field?
Oh. My.
TommyBoy said (with bad grammar no less): “Welcome to Windows Mac users, it’s not as bad as you led to beleive.
Ah, TommyBoy, Winblows is actually much worse than most people think.
I think this will have a good impact on Apple stock tomorrow… We shall see..
The only reason to install Windows on a mac is to use those few important apps that are not ‘yet’ universal. When they are, you should drop windows like the old hat it is, unless you are a masochist. It’s arguable that running a program such as Photoshop under Rosetta is actually more efficient than running under Windows….considering the layer of crap you have to wade through in XP.
Schmutz! – Maybe you should tell your boss you see a day you are not working for a bunch of f***ing morons. I work for a company that a few years ago bought only PCs because they were cheaper and it would save them money…they learned, and have now transitioned their entire creative development group to G5s. I have a Media Center PC right next to my MacBook Pro, and my PC is now getting a nice thick layer of dust on it…that hanging, application crashing hunk of s**t.
Brother Mugga, OS X & Apple Hardware are like a Multipack of Coca Cola:
NOT TO BE SOLD SEPARATELY.
Have a nice day!
What’s the matter with you guys?
Can’t you see what’s happening?
Apple is dropping Firewire, they switched to Intel processors, they are doing nothing to prevent Windows from being run on thier hardware.
Apple is doing NOTHING, they are giving up!
Why don’t you face the TRUTH?
Apple wants to be another PC vendor and sell Vista on Mac’s.
Don’t you think Microsoft is busy right now making a version of Vista for Mac’s?
Look how fast it was to make a XP version for Mac’s?
Microsoft could have put out a version in less than a week.
It’s over for Mac OS X.
FACE THE TRUTH!!
Mary, we know you are Macdude.. Give up already.
Mike, your Mary right?
Bill Gates smiles down on all of you championing running XP on a Mac. It simply means more Windows licenses sold and the growth of Microsoft into a hardware market previously untapped.
Keep Cheering Suckers!
Mary is just what Macdude calls himself when he puts on makeup and wears heels.
Mary, Mary, quite contrary
Why do you always blow?
You really smell and you still can’t spell
With your stupid thoughts all in a row
Nice try, MacDude.
Obviously, Mary doesn’t know about M$’ announcement that Vista will not support EFI. Intels Macs run off EFI. OK Mary, in case, you can’t make the connection, that means Vista won’t run on Intel Macs out of the box.
As has been pointed out before, this is only of interest to hard-core geeks, some wavering switchers and Mac users who need to use Windows occasionally. The majority of average Joes won’t know, or care, how to get a dual-boot system running.
Heck, the average consumer doesn’t know there are different operating systems.
I curious in the same way I’m curious of a road side accident.
All you pudwackers, you think you know it all right?
UEFI support will be added to “subsequent 64-bit client releases (of Windows Vista),” instead, according to an IDF presentation by Andrew Ritz, development manager at Microsoft in Redmond, Wash.
These worthless iMactels are running a inferior 32 bit processor, not 64 bit.
That’s why they are performing less than a comparable 64 bit dualcore G5 processor.
And when is Intel supposed to release a 64 bit Core Duo? In November 2006.
Fools.
I agree. Running Windows on a Mac is pointless. I can’t think of a less interesting story. Ok, there was the loud sex party at Microsoft the day that guy the employees paid hit Bill in the face with a pie, but other than that, who really cares about running windows on a Mac.
I’ll wait for Darwine, thanks. I feel unsafe running Windows in emulation, let alone actually on the computer.
All you pudwackers, you think you know it all right?
UEFI support will be added to “subsequent 64-bit client releases (of Windows Vista),” instead, according to an IDF presentation by Andrew Ritz, development manager at Microsoft in Redmond, Wash.
These worthless iMactels are running a inferior 32 bit processor, not 64 bit.
That’s why they are performing less than a comparable 64 bit dualcore G5 processor.
And when is Intel supposed to release a 64 bit Core Duo? In November 2006.
Fools.
So again, Vista will NOT run on Macs out of the box. BTW, I’m willing to bet the Vista’s release date is going to slip at least once again.
Make one thing clear, Apple will NEVER support this. They wont stop it, but you think you can bring in your mac running windows into an Apple Store for support? You’ve got another thing coming.
Just because some hacker got it to work, doesn’t mean Apple’s going to fall in line with Dell, Gateway and HP… Apple is still apple, and if you wanna pay $1299 for a fancy looking PC, then you’re just wasting your time and your money.
Worthless and ignorant comment No. 34345356:
Yeh? But my xpmacinteldos kicks yer ass!!! And it tripleboots unixlinuxmacdoswindoze at the same time! I am so fkn uber now wankwankwank pwn.
<H1>GET A LIFE YOU LOSERS</H1>
I think it’s time MDN introduced a registration system so we can’t steal eachothers identity. Then you’ll see there’s only about 13 people who read MDN all using various names.
Greg
Maybe there’s a prise if I can run Visicalc on the Macbook Pro
This is pure nonesense. I came to the Mac to AVOID windows. I don’t give a rat’s ass if someone is forced to use windows somewhere and thinks it is cool to run that crap on a mac.
Intel sucks, windows sucks and windows on a mac sucks even more…
Why are people freaking out if a Windows can be booted on Mac??
Just as MDN suggested, why would people buy Dells, when they can buy macs with both Windows and Mac OS can be used???
I need to have 2 computers in my home. Generally, i would like to use a mac only, but for my gaming needs, the need to use windows-only application like AutoCad forces me to have a pc.
But, now with can imagibe the possibiltites??? I need only one computer, use the supperiority Mac OS, and still play windows games and windows application.
Although, i thought at first, a simluator would be the solution, this is even better!!
“We will no longer invest in Mac OS X, because Macs are being made to run Windows, by far the dominant OS. All future releases will be Windows only”.
On the contrary, more people will embrace the Mac platform as a result of this news. Do you realize how many Windows users are eager to leave the Wintel platform because of issues like security, viruses, etc? What on earth would make you think people would buy an expensive piece of hardware only to install Windows on it? Why wouldn’t you just buy a cheap Wintel box for that matter? Why even buy a Mac?
Many of the people I speak with on a day to day basis are encouraged when they hear this news. It allows Windows users to slowly leave their Wintel machines and safely try a Mac without compromising functionality. Their Windows investment remains safe, they retain all their Windows software and still have the ability to network and use business specific applications designed for Windows. Once Apple has it’s foot in the door, it’s very difficult to return to the Windows platform. Consider this is a door opener. The hard work of getting their foot in the door is accomplished by allowing users to run Windows natively on a Mac. Not much different than the iPod halo effect. You get a taste of the Apple experience when you own an iPod.
The Apple experience is something all Wintel mfg’s dream of but could never accomplish in a lifetime. If Apple could get new users to the platform, albeit unintentionally, the chances of these new users adopting the Macintosh platform over Windows is extremely good.
The notion that some will buy a Mactel just to run Windows, is a flawed argument. More will buy Mactels for the Macintosh platform (OS) and use Windows as a sideline. Do any of you Mac fanatics doubt this?
Does anyone want to wager on this? I’ll bet my MBP this increases Apple market share provided the dual boot is user friendly and all the hardware, printer, network issues can be resolved and made to work seemlessly between both platforms.
Anyone?
Good Good!!
I can feel your anger, let the hate flow, and more and more will you become my slave.
Soon you will be calling me MASTER
Heck, I could not get Windows to run a Dell.
WTF Y WOULD U EVER WANT TO USE SOME SHITTY ASS WINDOWS CRAP ID RATHER NOT USE ANYTIHNG.
I think instead of running Windows on a MAC. MAC users should ask Developers to make MAC versions of there Software.
I see no Future for Microsoft. They have missed the Window.
What goes up must come down!
“Welcome to Windows Mac users, it’s not as bad as you led to believe.”
This is a crass statement. Where I live people still speak a 3,000 year old Celtic language. It’s like telling them that English isn’t as bad as they thought… and you thought any of them DON’T know English?
I defy you to find a Mac user that has had no experience of Windows.
Most of us have had a skinful of Windows to last us a lifetime. We use Mac and OSX because it is light to Windows’ darkness. It’s productive, not counter-productive etc etc. If you know both, you know what we mean, if you only know Windows, just TRY the Mac.
Windows on a Mac will not make a SINGLE Mac user switch to Windows.
It will (probably) make HUGE numbers of Windows users switch to Mac.
GO Apple.
Trolls and MS PR department away, back into your mire…
theres another reason to, for any web designers out there like myself, i NEED to see what my designs, specifically CSS code looks like in various browsers and platforms, i have to check them on IE for windows, and Firefox for windows.
theres no getting around that.
while virtual PC would be the best if it ran at native speeds this solution does allow someone to use a mac for all there design work and boot windows and use it at native speeds for testing.
I’ve heard through the grapevine that one of the men who developed this in California uses the moniker Mr. S. Pjobs…
I’m pleased to see that some of the folk here see this as a positive thing for the strength of Apple overall. Personally, I wouldn’t run Windows on my Mac(s) for anything; I don’t need it for work or play, it represents a scourge that should be (and probably will be) eradicated from the mainstream of computing. Web/server-based applications not dependent on OSs will eventually begin to take away from the strangle-hold that M$ has on businesses large and small, but it will be a long process. Anything in the interim that helps strengthen Apple and increase it’s overall share in the computing world is positive. The rest of you crybabies can whine all you want, there is a change in the wind and some momentum behind this; just accept it.
“Great Minds Think Alike, Fools Seldom Differ.”
Macaday wrote…
“I defy you to find a Mac user that has had no experience of Windows.”
—
(Quietly raising hand in the rear of classroom)
You’re not serious are you?
—
“Bright Minds Think Alike, Fools Seldom Differ.
‘There are driver issues right now. There’s not a good video driver for Windows XP,’ he said. ‘And the Mac crashes when you shut down Windows.”
That’s a new one for Windows users: the computer crashes AFTER you used it.
This issue not addressed yet is how many people like to reboot versus keeping their computer and applications going? I reboot my Mac only when needed: a software update that requires it, or, rarely, when things just don’t seem right.
Otherwise, I want my applications constantly open and ready at any time for me to do the following: examine and modify my calendar, finish a writing assignment, reorganize my notes, reload a website with current information, send an email, respond to an instant message, listen to music, enter my business information into a spreadsheet, etc.
Oh good, now Windoze can run on even more personal computers.
-Eddie-
Thanks for the suggestion – I never thought about using multiple anonymous IDs…
-VISTA-
I love it.
-Macaday-
I like your thinking.
While I applaud the efforts of those who got XP to boot on the Intel Mac, I’ll wait for a good virtual application. I have no desire whatsoever to boot my machine back and forth. I prefer to launch XP when I need it without having to leave OS X.
Dudes!
I got Linux to run on my analog wristwatch! think of the possibilities!
and by the way ITS NOT OVER. IT would be over only if:
this soution was provided by Apple or M$, and XP was for sale on the apple store!
this is a third party hac, and will never be supported!
I understand that many people need to run XP. But how about using a remote desktop program from your Mac to access an XP box located somewhere in your LAN instead. They don’t need to mess around with OS-X. The program is downloadable from M$. Just curious. I would not want to tamper with my Mac.
One really good reason for me to want to boot Windows on a future Intel Mac of mine would be to run programs like Auto CAD. I’m training to be a structural engineer and basically the only CAD program that is used widespread in the industry is Auto CAD. Also structural analysis software, and other engineering and science software is commonly only available on Windows.
So there are a lot of very good and useful reasons for me to want to boot up in Windows now and again, but obviously I would do absolutely as much as I can in OS X!
So people that say ‘why would you ever want to use windows’ are basically very lucky, but unfortunately we are not all in that situation!
Also DarWine would be a really nice solution, but it looks a long way off at the moment!
My 2cents.
Scottie
Personally, I’d like to see a video iPod that can play Betamax tapes.