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Damn right. I've never heard it put better.

I'm guessing Steve Jobs wakes up a happy man every morning.

I hope Steve J. IS happy today. Now I want him to become "advertising-ecstatic"!

Show the world what all of US already know about Macs and OS X, Steve!

DO IT!

It saddens me to say this, but I think Vista slipping will have almost no effect at all on sales of PCs or Macs / OS-X.

The sheep who will buy a windows PC without really considering the alternatives, just because pretty much everyone else uses them will carry on. Vista won't even be on their radar, late, crippled or otherwise. They won't wait for Vista, they'll just get XP ... but they also won't upgrade to Vista ina hurry - if ever. People who bought a machine with 98 and still have that machine, generally still run 98.

This is not a criticism of Apple or OS-X, of course, this is just the reality as I see it of the people who go to PCWorld/BestBuy or whatever and buy (sorry, get sold) the machine closest to their maximum budget that gives the salesman greatest commission - regardless of whether it's the right machine or not.

I posted this earlier today but bears repeating:

Apple creates media buzz by releasing great products on a fairly regular basis.

M$ creates media buzz by regularly delaying the release of a second rate product.

The delay is being blamed on security, drivers and performance issues. For a product that was due out something like 3 years ago, that's pathetic. Those 3 issues are what OS X has an absolute lock on (10.0 excepted).

It is clear from the comments that Microsoft has, as the Chinese say, lost the mandate of heaven. It is not just this latest delay, but the obvious contempt for Microsoft displayed by the trade press and Microsoft employees that demonstrate this.

Windows has reached the end of its useful life. It has become a software Gordian Knot. For Microsoft, it will also be the rope by which their business will be hanged.

I guess Balmer isn't doing his usual: dancing around his office in a thick sweat, about to have a heart attack. Well maybe the heart attack applies. This guy needs firing. Actually, don't fire him. It is fun watching Micro$oft die a slow and painful death.

There are open source alternatives for Apple, too. Everyone should be using NeoOffice, so they don't have to buy Micro$oft Office. It does the job and doesn't require X11 or XDarwin.

I'd be almost as thrilled about people switching to Linux as people switching to OS X. The computing world would be much better off in the long run if there were multiple OSes that many people used. Having one OS used by the vast majority of people is a big reason why the past 5 years have been stagnent in terms of what computers can do. Just think of the amount of money spent on cleaning up these virus attacks.

Imagine if Windows, OS X, and Linux each had 33% market share. All cmpanies would support all platforms. Each platform would have to work equally well to standards that the others could use. It would not matter what platform you used - people could choose the one that worked for them. Dell, HP, and the other beige box manufactures would give you a choice of what OS to have installed and it would be cheaper to go with Linux.

Apple has been pushing the boundaries of what can be done. Linux is quickly catching up to XP. Microsoft has been getting a lot of bad press lately and it doesn't sound like it is going to be changing before November.

And after it's fully stripped, the Vista box will contain a Windows upgrade CD with a nifty screensaver that flashes the word, "Vista" around your monitor with adjustable transparency and drop shadows. That's it. Just the screensaver. But it WILL be innovative and groundbreaking. After all, it took 10,000+ software engineers, billions in R & D, and half a decade to produce.

gotta love articles like this one...

MS NEEDS to get the security thing right because Apple is the standard right now for available working systems that look great, are easy to use and they're not full of security bullet holes.

MS can copy the look and feel but if they don't get their system secure they will be the laughing stock of the industry and NOBODY would have a reason to upgrade to Vista regardless of how it LOOKS.

As somebody with a significant AAPL investment, lord I hope and pray Apple uses this opportunity to advertise that the Mac has a great feature set, cool free software, security, and affordable hardware (my new MacMini Intel Solo rocks). These are things that could be brought across to the consumer in hard hitting 30 second TV ads.

At $599 a MacMini costs a couple hundred dollars more than an X-Box and the Mini doesn't do the big games, but the little Mac does something a dedicated entertainment-only game box will never do, it improves your life.

The moment the X-box becomes a standalone computing appliance that approaches the MacMini feature set, that's when Dell and HP better wake up and smell the fire, because its them becoming toast.

HA HA HA... Microsoft has a "Copland" and this time there's no NeXT to buy! LOL LOL LOL

Novell is working on providing a standard Linux desktop, I'm pretty sure they bought Suze Linux and are in the process of packaging it with an office suite and standardized installation procedure. A stable secure Linux loaded with software for $79 would be an awesome thing if it was a standardized product rather than flavor of the month.

In two point type on the bottom of the Vista box, it will have the letters, "SP4."

Daniel Lyons, the author, has been a Microsoft whore for a long time and rabidly anti-linux so I find this quote more telling:

Microsoft can't afford to screw up like this. There are free alternatives to everything Microsoft sells, like the Linux operating system and the Open Office application suite. Rivals like Novell, Red Hat, Sun Microsystems and, yes, IBM are pushing those programs big time.

Given Microsoft's delays I can't believe open-source stuff still hasn't caught on for desktop computers. It's amazing, but people will wait months and months for products that are so complicated that no ordinary person can figure out how to use them.

There will always be 5% - 15% of the population that will spend more for less hassle, the rest can save a little cash with open source (GUI etc is vastly improved recently thanks muchly to Novell). Microsoft will have no marketplace left.

Beleagured Microsoft.

Steve Ballmer should be named Apple's Man of the Year. All that money, all those resources, all that power, and they still can't get it right. It's now or never Apple. Either start advertising Macs and OSX or get out of the computer business. You'll never have this opportunity again.

..and yet, AAPL slides.

Hywel wrote:

It saddens me to say this, but I think Vista slipping will have almost no effect at all on sales of PCs or Macs / OS-X.

The sheep who will buy a windows PC without really considering the alternatives, just because pretty much everyone else uses them will carry on.

Yep. Just attended another meeting with corporate clients from a huge firm, and had people ask me about my iBook. The usual expressions of disbelief that it can run Office, or has any decent software to use.

BAAAA!

Oh will you fanboiz just shut the fsck up?

Steve Jobs didn't wake up happier this morning, Apple is not even paying attention to the buisness market, they are a consumer products company.

Repeat, consumer products.

And a cult consumer product company at that.

Apple is not, will not, will not be accepted in a world dominated by one standard.

So get this idea out of your mind that Apple will magically increase market share because Microsoft is delayed a few months with Vista.

Nothing will change, buisnesses will still buy PC's, over and over again. Forever!!

Mac's are entry level consumer computers with virtually no worthwhile software that appeals to the buisness market.

That's why Apple is allowing Mac's to boot Windows. It's a way to sell more hardware to increase consumer computer market share, although it could backfire with Vista.

So buzz off, no brainwashed, cultist fanboiz knos what they are talking about.

MSFT (MiSFiT) is probably dragging the entire tech sector down. Like the Titanic dragging down a few lifeboats.

Win the battle this year, but lose the war next year

Get a PC and be a man, a Visaman!!

Wooohhoo I got one!!


Look, up in the sky!

It's a bird, no it's a plane, no it's...

VISTAMAN!!!

This sarcasm in this quote is classic:

Microsoft execs also talked about "Impacting People," then they dragged out fashion designer Tommy Hilfiger, who seemed very "impacted" as he sang praise for Microsoft programs. Actually, he was reading meaningless statements from a TelePrompTer. Here is one of his quotes, verbatim: "When you combine people and technology, you have a very powerful combination." Think about that. Just let it sink in for a minute.

MacDude: you should change your name to Devil'sAdvocate because you always manage to rub MDNers the wrong way. Hopefully you will continue to post your opposing view points because that is what is needed here. Someone needs to play devil's advocate once in a while.

Ain't that right, liberals? You want to hear an opposing viewpoint, don't you?

MacDude, you're right that this is not going to have a major impact on Apple. However, your reasons are wrong. It won't have a major impact because Apple cannot magically ramp up production tomorrow. And while I agree with you that Macs are not geared toward businesses, they are far from ENTRY-LEVEL consumer machines. They are among the best consumer machines out there in terms of stability and pre-installed software. They are good, solid computers. Believe me, I'm no "fanboi." I've been a windows user for years (since 3.1). I recently bought an iBook for college and I was so impressed that I suggested my sister get a PowerBook. I think the whole package is just really well-packaged. It's not about being a cultist; it's about using what works.

Maybe they should change the name from Microsoft Vista ... to Microsoft Horizon ...

You can either come up with fancy slogans about being "people ready" or you can BE people ready.

Which do you think Microsoft is?

Which do you think Apple is?

So when is this 10.5 Leopard or what ever its going to be called supposed to come out????

May be Steve called Bill up:

Hey Bill, I hear you are thinking about buying Palm, so you can rename BeOS into Vista. Forget about BeOS. Why don't you buy Apple and bring me in as an advisor to MS instead. Then you can base next Windows on a really stable and secure Next/BSD OS. You don't even have to concern yourself about backward compatibility either. We got this nifty software based on Darwin, that let people run any Windows applications. Yes, Bill it runs MS Office for Windows without any problem. We even have a server running Exchange server on it.

Macdude, I'm with you 99%, but saying Macs are "entry level" is completely wrong. If you mean that they are user friendly and are very intuitive to use, then I'm with ya.

You're wrong about them being "entry level" if you mean that Windows PCs are for those who aren't "entry level" computer users. I mean crap, I do plenty of programming at my day job, and am the defacto tech support for friends and family and hope I'm not considered an "entry level" user. But I use Macs at home, Windows at work, and I'd recommend a Mac to anyone I run into over Windows anyday. It'd make my life easier!

So when is this 10.5 Leopard or what ever its going to be called supposed to come out????

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a month before vista..

operation 'pull+rug+from+under+redmond'



2009

mike:

Actually pull+rug+from+under+redmond is scheduled to be fall of 2006. If Micro$oftie is scheduled to now ship Vista in 2007, it is WAY sooner than a month ahead of Vista.

The crows are back.

I got the sh!t pecked outta me as I walked to the 7-Elevn for lunch.

Holy sh!t that hurts.

Also, I need to lose my cherry soon. Being 37 AND a bad spellr AND a virgin is just to much.

Macs wont help me do that. Loose my c herry I mean.

Girrls hate Macs.

Can you guys help a dork brother out? I need some tips.

So again I ask you fanboiz, "Why do crows attack me when I walk to the store?"

MacDude: try deodorant.

This is indeed great news. It's definitely an opportunity Apple shouldn't miss. Tiger already is far ahead of Microsoft's Vista, Leopard will set new standards even before Vista comes out.
Somewhere in a very dark corner of my heart, I think MS's copycats are simply waiting to copy some of 10.5's features.
This reminds me in some way to the fall of the Roman Empire - in computing ages.

"Apple's new operating system is stable, reliable and easy to use."

Stable? Reliable? I should say so; the last time I restarted my laptop after donwloading OS 10.4.3, I said to myself "Let's see how much uptime I can get before I have to restart". That was 136 days ago. The only thing that has kept my other Macs from being up the same length of time is when the washing machine blew up on Christmas Eve and tripped the power supply to the whole house. They've been up and running since then though, all on 10.3.9.


Percy

Macdude, The problem you had with being abused as a child .....you liked it. Girls just arent in your picture.... Maybe Windows are..hopefully ones without bars or chicken wire, but maybe thats where you'll find what your looking for/

Rasterbator... an opposing viewpoint, just 4 u.


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hey suxalot:

The fact that the study was done in Berkeley completely nullifies the results.

And I am not a conservative, although I am not sure why you care so much. Typical type of dribble from a liberal such as yourself.

Keep Suckin'!

I love Apple and my Macs. That is why I don't want Apple to get to big. Being number two has its advantages. I don't want everybody to own a Mac. Maybe I'm a little sick but I like being a minority. I like to see Windoze users suffer and complain. I also use Windoze sometimes and I like it just like I like jalapeno peppers sometimes but not everyday.

MW=gone. Guess like is my mind gone?

sorry to to have hurt ur feelings. go back to playing w urself, it'll be ok

hey sux2much: Let me guess, you are 13. Not a very intelligent comeback on your part. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, please reply with one. Otherwise, go back to yahooligans.com — it is more your speed.

Keep Suckin'!

good one

I can't believe Microsoft actually held this big nonevent "event" only a few days before announcing another screw-up in Vista. If Ballmer knew he was about to announce a delay and still had this event, he's crazy. If he didn't know Vista was about to slip again, then Microsoft is in worse shape than anyone realizes



You got to love Ballmer , he has no shame

Strike the iron, Steve! Strike it!!!

It's official, MacDude needs a girlfriend. Desparately. Or, mybe someone could loan him some money for a new tube of lubricant?

The Bottom Line:

1. The nails are going firmly through the lid of the coffin marked Microsoft. At least half the nails have apple shaped heads.

2. No war was won overnight, and MS Windows is a pretty big ship to sink. But I can't remember when it last won acclaim. But daily we see it treated with contempt, both from inside and outside the company.

3. The leaders and thinkers in IT are opening their eyes to OSX, and after the watershed the vast flocks will follow just as the sun is sure to rise tomorrow.

Go Apple! Persevere and the you will have the world in your palm... joining the cajones of Gates, Ballmer and Alchim which are already there.

Microsoft desparately needs zen training. They seem inacpable of understanding that less is often more.

We keep asking ourselves why Apple doesn't advertise OSX (whick is probably a deal that was struck with M$), but why do I not see Linux advertised?

MDN should hold a best caption competition for the Forbes picture of Ballmer. Mine would be:

The Bratwurst was excellent, but you should'a seen the size of the Blutwurst!!