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Bill...have you no shame? No self-respect? Oh, that's right, we knew you didn't have these attributes way back when the Dead Sea was still only sick.

OH MY GOD, peoples eyes are finally opening......

MDN word Police
CAll the the police, a theif is in the house.

An addition to John's post.

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One of the PC's here at the bank I work at is currently being hijacked by a virus and I can't seem to figure it out. But, that's another topic all together. But the person that uses that computer is obviously beyond frustration and is ready to throw it out into the street. I politely informed her that she should come upstairs and use my Mac if she wanted to get any serious work done because there were Zero viruses or spyware or any of that other crap on the MacOS. She had no idea and thought I was just pulling her leg. So, I had to reassure her that I was serious and she then proceeded to ask me a million questions about Macs. This is of course for her was after she had spent about 15 hours last weekend debugging her computer at home too! She may be a potential switcher.

And to top it off, her brother-in-law is a manager of an IT consulting firm in the town over from us, and he couldn't figure out what was completely wrong with her computer at home.

Oh yeah. I believe it.
Many, many Windows people think that all there is is Windows, and it's the best. Period.
And if Apple doesn't get off it's duff and advertise OS X, when Vista does come out, these Windows Weenies will think that Microsoft invented all these features and Apple copied them
Can't say that I care for the NYT, but this writer is right on the money.
Glad to see Apple get some good press!

So say we all!

Hey, Mr. Pogue, I am not a crook, oh, that's right, that's what Nixon said, man, I can't even come up with original fight back words...

Rip Off or Knock Off
Average Windoze users will still want
MORE of

Steve Jobs knew it when he introduced Tiger as a preview of LONGHORN VISTA...

It's not just Windows. People used to think that Microsoft was all there is. I got some web developers at one of my clients to download and try Firefox. They were really pro-Microsoft, but did it to humour me. Now they can't stop raving about it, and regularly slag Microsoft products off. Google, Apple and Mozilla are between them hammering away at all the spin M$ has pushed over the majority of computer users' eyes.

Those cracks in Redmond are appearing on all sides. Their best developers are leaving, and their customers aren't just searching alternatives, but finding them.

Sell MSFT. Microsoft will half in value if Vista doesn't take off.

Microsoft has some great ads. Their product may not be the best but you can't tell that from the ads. Apple, on the other hand, has great products but NO ads. What is the guy on the street going to do?

Ads work, so he's going to buy MS. Pity.

MW-waiting--as in waiting for some Apple ads.

That's the point MacDoctor... people don't think Windows is 'the best', they just think everything else must be just as bad as Windows...

Time for Apple to advertise, quoting Pogue if necessary.. no crashes, no viruses, minimal maintenance, maximum usefulness.

Time for Windows and Mycrowsoft to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Frauds they are indeed.

Pogue mentions Stacking as an example of something original from MS, but although I haven't seen any images of it, wasn't that something they dreamt up at Sun with their 3D-project for a new GUI to their OS? Project Looking Glass - you can read more about it here:
http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/

So, what they haven't copied from Apple, they may have found elsewhere...

Did Bill wear a white t-shirt, black vest and a pair of jeans, too?

rstrb8r

Did the applications freeze up during the presentation? Was it attacked by a trojan before it ended? Sadly enough, you know most people will ooh and ahh over these 'new' features and not care where they came from...


Microsoft...when you care enough to steal the very best.

Patience my friends, you think Steve hasn't got the next year planned, squillions to promote the mac, just buy the shares now, I feel a split will happen in February. The better mousetrap is only a few days away.
Thanks to Mr Pogue, we need a lot more honest words like his.
Get ready, it's gonna be a great ride.

OS X had those YEARS ago and Apple removed them... because they sucked!

Here M$, you can have this feature!

I'll wait to see what MS actually ships before passing judgment.

Steve does keynotes on what Apple has today. Bill does keynotes on what MS hopes to have a year from now. BIG difference.

"Time for Windows and Mycrowsoft to be consigned to the dustbin of history."

One great way to the dustbin is to promise the Holy Grail, then utterly fail to deliver. MS is consigning itself.

Enjoy Vista now, windows fans, 'cause that's all you're gonna get for a loooooooong time!

Pogue just pwned Gates.

"Steve does keynotes on what Apple has today. Bill does keynotes on what MS hopes to have a year from now. BIG difference."

Except for the 2000 keynote, when he previewed OS X a year early!

Byte magazine said it best well over a decade ago, "If you want to see what a PC will be like a decade from now look at a Macintosh today." (or something extremely close to that)

I don't have the copy in front of me. Anyone have an exact copy of the quote?

MACDUDE......good one!!!

Bill Gates can go to hell

And they called them innovative?

Innovation by copying?

Through out the computers history, we can clearly see that there is alwasys the one who innovate, and the rest are just simply following.

Proud to say that, Apple is always innovate, and the rest is just copying.


MISCROSOFT, SIMPLY COPIED

The sad thing is that all those Windows users out there are going to believe that Microsoft actually invented these things... They won't even know that Apple was there years ahead.

When was it that Apple had the banners that said "Redmond, Start Your Photocopiers." ? Was it this time last year?

Shadowself ...

over 10 years ago when they wrote
"To see tomorrow's PC, look at today's Macintosh"

http://www.byte.com/art/9510/sec6/art1.htm

Oh, Come On!

Steve (Apple) did say, at the previous WWDC:

"Redmond, Start Your Photocopiers!"

And you're griping because Bill listened? It's flattery. Who was the author who said, "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal!" By stealing, he meant to make the idea their own - i.e. build on it or use it in a unique way. From these reports, and using this quote as a guide, it seems that Bill & co. are borrowing from Apple, not stealing.

"OH MY GOD, peoples eyes are finally opening......"

Whose eyes are those? The author of the article? David Pogue? Only one of the most knowledgeable Mac columnists on the face of the Earth? Like he didn't know already ?!?? If I wasn't a dedicated Mac user, I'd accuse the NYT of extremely biased reporting by assigning him to write that column, he is too biased in favor of the Mac.

Taking any bets how long until the first Vista Virus is released?

hmm-- good point. Gates is envisioning 2010, while Stevo is showing what Apple is ready to ship. I think Bill has gone this route because every time he tries to demo a shipping Windblows product it crashes. Just look back a year ago...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/business/2005/jan/06/518090516.html

I'd actually like to watch Bill introduce these blatant OS X ripoffs and see how bad they suck, but, of course, Microsucks can't get their stream up, so I can't watch.

Has anyone been able to get the stream to work?

VISTA = Vastly Inferior System To Apple
¡Hasta la vista!

It amazes me that MacFanatics (MDN editors and certain readers) are such a**holes when talking about Windows and Windows-users. It's common that posters and MDN editors resort to name-calling.

C'mon! What gives? What's with the emotional baggage? Why be so bitter and hateful?

Sing with me, "Yesterday..."

mac and pc guy

Let me tell you my difference.
My wife bought a box computer running windows as my kids use windows at school and she thought that it would help with file and program transfers etc.
All my kids have come back to my old imac (my son still uses it for games) yet my wife is still happy to pay £60 a time for an expert to come to our house to de-bug this machine. Three times in 2005, £180 a year, I'll say it again, £180 a year . . . for what exactly?
Mac 14years . . . call outs 0
Days 4

Apparently the best ideas do come from Apple.

My questions for Bill gates et al are:

1. How much RAM and disc space are needed to run Vista?
2. Is it compatible with Macs on the same network?
3. What security features does Vista use?
4. Is Vista backward compatible with Win 32 devices and software?
5. Does Vista search metadata similar to Spotlight?
6. Is Vista UNIX-based?

i love his bit about transparent windows...

Paul Thurrott will squak about the 'cool' factor of these annoying transparent windows, but i hate them.

Besides tricking Windows users into thinking this is a 'new' look and a 'futuristic' new OS.. it's pure eye candy and actually makes the OS harder to use...

You will tire of it in 5 minutes..

Vista is smoke and mirrors. Some people will fall for it. The others that are actually thinking about it and studying whether or not to upgrade will ask the real question.

What about security? Will virus, spy ware and the various problems go away for another $150.00 bucks (or whatever it will cost)?

If not then the obvious answer is Apple and OS X. See ya Microsoft. Or should we say MACrosoft?


MW - Death. As in slow... for MS

Mac & PC Guy,

I think it's because Mac users are often forced to use an inferior system (at work etc) not because of that systems merits, but because of monopolistic practices and marketing. Especially frustrating is that we are often confronted with ignorance by non-mac users about the Mac OS and Apple's computers. This is for many reasons, and Apple is partly at fault, but it still remains an injustice or unfairness. People react to percieved unjustice or unfairness emotionally.

Also, it's a matter of how SO much of our digital lives are either directly the result of, or copy of, the innovation / courage coming from Apple. Were Apple to not exist (something that may sound unlikely today but not too long ago seemed inevitable) then it would leave an affect on all of us who use computers. Microsfot time and time again, despite being the largest and most powerful technology company adds little to nothing to the field. If they disappeared tomorrow not only would innovation not be hurt, it might actually be helped!

The issues involved in the Apple vs Microsoft 'debate' are about much bigger then either of them. It's about the idea of capitalism and the idea that the best overall product either should win in this system.

I'm not making excuses for the emotional reaction to these things, I am just explaining that it's not as ridiculous as some make it seem that Apple has 'religious zealots' who can act 'fanatical'.

You can put lipstick and earrings on a pig, but its still just pig.

Microsoft still has long way to go from pork to prime rib.

I suppose these "advances" will divert people's attention from the fact that Vista is a shadow of what Microsoft promised Longhorn to be many years ago.

perhaps Apple has agreement with M$ not to publicise Mac OS X in return for them investing in apple during the crisis years? just a speculation...

"But in the Vista browser, you can also view all your tabbed Web pages as window miniatures, so that you can jump to one according to what it looks like (rather than just its name). A great idea."

OmniWeb has had that for years. Great idea OmniGuys!

You can put a white shell on shit and call it a Mac. Mac Users think they have a great advantage because they have sexy hardware and fancy little skins.

WINDOWS IS !SUPERIOR! TO MAC IN EVERY WAY

Awe, isn't that ugly little pumpkin the cutest Troll you've ever seen.
Nice try, now stop pumping your kin and give Endearle the fellatio he demands from you!

MacDude - I think there's already a Vista virus out there - they didn't waste any time at all...

Dear Pumpkin:

Could you be more specific how it is that Microsoft's OS Vista is superior to Apple's OS X?

Also, please compare similar Windows features with those of OS X and describe how Windows functionality is better than OS X.

C'mon! What gives? What's with the emotional baggage? Why be so bitter and hateful?

Mac & PC Guy,

You gotta look at it from the other side. Microsoft carries such a huge chip on its shoulders that it's arrogance waves this BIG sign pretty much saying that "anything not Windows is irrelevant". Microsoft carries this weird attitude that everyone is a Windows user (and if you're not; then you're somehow weird), when in fact, there are millions upon millions of non-Windows users out there today computing happily along. But Microsoft seems to think that people surely can't compute without Windows. That attitude alone makes me despise Microsoft.

When I left the Windows platform back in 1999, it was because I was fed up with Windows and all its nasties, so I switched. After stepping outside the MS bubble (even more powerful than RDF), then I saw what all the fuss was about in regards to Microsoft and how is abused the computer industry with its Windows monopoly (and still does). Before that, I was blind to it because I was your typical Windows user that didn't pay much attention to the computing world beyond Windows. And from what history has shown; Microsoft is the same company it was ten years ago and I doubt it's going to change anytime soon unless Microsoft loses about 40% of its marketshare in the desktop (hence Windows) computer market and people wake up the the idea of computer platform choice and then exercise that choice wisely instead of going by what their neighbor joe user has -- it's like the blind leading the blind!

perhaps Apple has agreement with M$ not to publicise Mac OS X in return for them investing in apple during the crisis years? just a speculation...

I certainly doubt that; Microsoft invested (Bill Gates' own idea) about $150 million into Apple who had just purchased NeXT (the company Steve Jobs started after he left Apple) for about $420 million and had about $2 billion in the bank to blow. On top of that, Microsoft paid Apple an undisclosed amount in a settlement for IP related infringements, which dwarfed the amount they invested above. YES, Apple was bleeding red at the time, but they certainly weren't broke by any means. I mean, Gateway has been bleeding red for about 4 years now and they're still around.

"You can put a white shell on shit and call it a Mac. Mac Users think they have a great advantage because they have sexy hardware and fancy little skins. "

And thus you have the reason that windows dolts don't actually try a Mac. They think the beauty is just skin deep. I laugh at them.

Let this guy continue to bite daily from the crap sandwich known as Windows.

CNET: With previous releases, the (OS) upgrades were mostly new computers sold with the latest version, correct?

Ballmer: Numerically, that will be the dominant factor this time, too.

CNET: Would you like to expound?

Ballmer: Sure. We anticipate that running Vista Professional version will require 20GB disc space and 8 MB of RAM, 12 MG for full functionality. We think most users will be willing to fork out the cash to upgrade. If you want the best, you better be ready to pay for it.

Gates: We compete extremely effectively by having reliability, innovation and the software that you want to use every day for hours a day. Of course, all computers will have NAND flash, otherwise booting from hard disc will take about 4 minutes.

CNET: You must be joking!

Gates: No, really. We have also transparent windows, Expose, I mean, Switcher, and other blinky things and stuff. Real cool stuff. I'm serious.

CNET: OK. Let's move on. One of the things you are talking about at CES is music, and obviously you guys for a long time have said choice, big ecosystem will win out eventually. For the time being, Apple has got one family of players and one music store, but they seem to be cranking out stuff pretty fast, and consumers still seem to be going there. What do you think you guys and your partners have to do to change that?

Gates: Oh, we've got to get music in cars, music on phones, music throughout the house. In fact, we are going to sell the bPod, an implantable music box in your head wired to your nervous system. You are going to hear music 24 hours a day. It’ll drive you insane. Hey, Steve, show ‘em yours! And with our remote I can make Steve lipsync Britney Spears.

Steve: I used to think I had the answers to everything, mmm.