“A quintet of ‘podheads’ in Oklahoma has struck cyber-gold on the Internet with a rock-and-roll song that celebrates podcasts and denigrates terrestrial radio. “On a Podcast” is a light-hearted and profane anthem praising the freedom that artists have to create and distribute their own music over the Net and through file downloads,” Frank Barnako reports for MarketWatch. “‘I just got introduced to podcasts a month ago,’ said Greg St. Clare, writer of the song and producer of the band known as Cruisebox. ‘When I discovered it, my head freaking exploded because now the gatekeepers, the big radio conglomerates, are out of the way, and artists can take their creative products directly to the listeners.'”
“St. Clare’s been playing music for about 25 years. Based in Oklahoma City, he and partner Chris Hicks, the band’s lead guitarist, operate a recording studio business. St. Clare’s background includes work with advertising agencies where he’s written radio jingles, giving ‘On a Podcast’ a familiar Top-40 commercial sound,” Barnako reports. Full article here.
From Cruisebox’s website: That Podcast Song.com is the online home of the band Cruisebox and our forthcoming CD: Tell The FCC To Stick It. Like other musicians and music lovers worldwide, we think podcasting freakin’ rocks.
Direct link to “On A Podcast” song (.mp3) [Explicit version] – here.
Direct link to “On A Podcast” song (.mp3) [Clean version] – here.
More info, lyrics, and links to other versions of “On a Podcast” here.
The lyrics mention Adam Curry. No wonder he plays the damn tune so much.
Adam Curry should be mentioned in any discussion of podcasting, seeing as he invented it… and not in the “Al Gore way”.
k. I listened. err .. a whole website based on ONE song and various dissections thereof?
Uh .. Nice song. Nice site. Everything’s all polished and shit.
Clearly speaking only for myself (especially at MDN), I see no reason for an “explicit” version of something that MDN suggests could be “podcasting’s rock anthem.” Does it really hurt someone to keep it clean, since there is such a version anyway? Any such “anthem” should be such that everyone can hear it.
..in my most humble and personal of opinions.
(Of course, declining to evaluate that version, I have no concept as to which oratorial selections would have rendered it “explicit” in the first place.)
Nice message, but what a thoroughly crappy song.
Quote: ” I see no reason for an “explicit” version”
That’s the point. There is no reason. There are no censors. You see the warning, and choose for yourself weather to listen or not.
Podcasting is the future and the future is now.
Slight Correction…Invented…Dave Winer AND adam curry.
An Anarchist’s Anthem – no reason, no censors, no spellcheck.
It’s spelled “whether” not “weather”.
“That’s the point. There is no reason.”
Just because someone CAN do something does not mean they should. Social free-for-all’s help no one. Freedom comes with responsibilities, for oneself, for society, and for each other. America’s founding fathers knew that, even as they wanted to protect our liberty from those had tried to take it away.
“There is no reason” for people to choose to have no standards for themselves and to attempt to strip those standards from others. The only reasons are stupidity, ignorance, and selfishness.
…of course, that is merely in my most humble of very personal opinions…
“There is no reason for people to choose to have no standards for themselves and to attempt to strip those standards from others. The only reasons are stupidity, ignorance, and selfishness. “
There is also no reason for people to enforce “their standards” onto others. Some people might enjoy life more if they remove the stick from their a$$
maybe if Weird Al had written it… but that songs is a disgrace to anyone who’s ever picked up a musical instrument…
Now I have to listen to some Mariah Carey to get a better song that I hate stuck in my head!!
“There is also no reason for people to enforce ‘their standards’ onto others.”
I don’t recall anything in my post “forcing” standards on others. In fact, it would appear to be you who wants to enforce standards (being lack of them) on others. It is your post, bob, that would appear to want insist on your standards. By refusing to understand, let alone accept, anyone else’s positions, you are doing exactly what you are preaching against: establishing your own standards you want all others to accept. In fact, my post discussed concern about attempts to strip standards from others – exactly as you would like to do.
If people understood what was being said, ignorance would not be an issue. Without that understanding, communication does not exist.
I’m sure you understand what I am saying, bob.
In any case, you appear to rail pretty strongly against what is merely my most humble of personal opinions, hardly a position that can force you, or others, to change standards.
I certainly apologize if I have disturbed you.
Here, have a stick.
So, you don’t like “explicit” version… so what? Who asked you?
So others may not like the song, so what? who asked them?
MDN Magic Word: “children,” as in shut the f*ck up, children!
To each,
I think the song is what the article is about. That is who asked me. From your last line, one might think that you, joining together with bob, would also like to stomp on all standards other than your own. I’m sure I simply misunderstand.
By way of apology, let me see if I might offer a short piece of leftover stick for you. My way of apologizing for what were obviously my bad manners by writing such a post. Far be it from me to express an opinion that everyone would not immediately embrace as their own!
Having had similar “conversations” on MDN before, I am well aware of the occasional rabble that frequent the site. No problem! Continue to rouse away!
MW: “western” MDN: the Wild West site of the Mac world!
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It IS a pretty pathetic excuse for a song.
BTW, great thing about MDN is that everyone here feels free to voice their opinion. No need for anyone to “ask” anyone else to speak up!
Oh, you boys…
Kate
“I don’t recall anything in my post “forcing” standards on others.”
No, you are right. Sorry. You basically said others who do not share your standards are stupid, ignorant and selfish.
“It is your post, bob, that would appear to want insist on your standards”
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I never even said what my standards were! I just advised that one might enjoy life more if they loosened up a bit, but it seems by your post that you really didn’t have any stick to give me
“In any case, you appear to rail pretty strongly against what is merely my most humble of personal opinions,”
Wow! Didn’t realize my two sentence opinion was THAT strong.
The only strong opinion I have is that a lot of people in this country (U.S.) need to loosen up. Just because people swear (and let’s face it, a lot of us do) doesn’t mean they don’t have standards. They just have different standards than those offended by it. Never did I imply that I wanted to force a standard on anyone. Someone is very touchy today I guess.
Hg f’ing wells: “From your last line, one might think that you, joining together with bob, would also like to stomp on all standards other than your own. I’m sure I simply misunderstand.”
Yes, you do misunderstand…
I just think you and whiney f*cks like you, should just SHUT THE F*CK UP! No one likes hearing pussies whine about stupid crap like language… It’s just a f*cking word that has been in use for 800 years or so, again, I say, SHUT THE F*CK UP!
OK so now we have proof that iPods, iTunes and podcasting have reached iconic status. The song however is derivative and possesses little musical merit. But that’s a subjective opinion and other’s musical tastes are probably different.
Oh bugger, now where did I put that mouth wash? That song left a bad taste in my mouth.
bob,
Appreciate the response! I do understand what you are saying.
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However, in support of my position, we have “To each their own.” Perhaps you yourself might suggest one of my words, or some other, to describe his behavior?
To each their own,
Kid, growing up is something I doubt you will be able to do for many years to come. Unfortunately for the rest of us, some of you never quite make it.
The strange thing to me is that you’re all, from my stand point, correct and incorrect. From my own personal opinion, created through quite a bit of observation and consideration, I’d have to say that yes, many people do need to realize that it is just a word. And that as such, it has no meaning aside from the one you apply to it.
Think of it this way: A child having never heard a certain word does not know the meaning of that word. It is not until they hear (or see) it put into the context that it is used does it acquire meaning. And even then it often takes years of repition before they truly understand the meaning of the words they’ve learned.
That being said, many people do put a lot of meaning, emotions and history into certain words, and in doing so open themselves up to attack. So, unfortunately, for those of us that do have a greater understanding of the mechanics of the human verbal learning syste (or whatever you would like to call it), and especially those that don’t, we have to take it unto ourselves to abide by what one might call “social ethics”. Which is to say, the ethics one would apply to a society, rather than the ethics one would use to guide one’s own life. There is a really good book that discusses that topic, however I cannot at this moment recall the name.
But to get to my point here: Though we may know that what are commonly known as “expletives” or “curse words” are not in themselves insulting and should not be taken as such unless directly applied toward someone, particularly one’s self, many others in our society, and the greater global society as a whole, do consider such words insulting when used out of insultory context, and we should thus refrain from using those words unless it is truly conflict that you seek. In which case it is your own folly and you deserve what ever backlash may be aimed in your direction.
Oops, it would look like I spelled “repetition” incorrectly. It’s a pity Apple has yet to implement auto-spelling correction in the fields in Safari. Or perhaps I just have not yet discovered the way to activate it.
Ahh, well, never mind, I have just figured it out. Same manner of activation as nearly every other Mac OS X application.
One last post.
I missed a crucial part of my point in the post I made.
Not only is it important that those involved in using what’re generally considered to be insulting words (and yes, I used the non-word “insultory” in my prior post. I have a bad habit of making up words when there are none that seem to accurately fit the use I need) to be more careful about who they use those words around, but it is also important that those persons hearing those words understand that they are just an abstract connection of vocalizations that, once again, only have meaning when you apply meaning to them.
Or to put it more simply: Try not to say anything that has a possibility of irritating someone. If you do, expect that there might be backlash. Also, if you are easily insulted by just a word, keep in mind… it’s just a word. It doesn’t mean a thing unless you want it to.
My eMac,
Thanks for your thoughts. Of course, you are correct. Words are just words. You are also correct that, when someone uses a word, they should be aware of the consequences. If one were to meet Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, would one person use expletives in their meeting – even if those two people might use them themselves? That would be doubtful. It is unlikely expletives would color conversations in court proceedings. It is something to do with respect and (for MOST people) wanting to create a good impression about them in front of others. In the same way, there is an “impression” left that is simply poor when people use “inappropriate” language to each other.
Words are not just words. Wars are started over words. I, personally, object to the way political correctness has changed some words we use now. And, if you use the wrong words, certain ethnic groups may become especially angry – or, minimally, have no respect for the person using them.
Most people do not want their children around people who will wantonly use the wrong words to address other people or groups, nor do most want them learning language that is inappropriate for young children. Sure, there are (sad) exceptions where the parents think it is fun watching their kids use expletives or other words that may degrade others. Those “parents” use the words regularly themselves. But, most of us like to feel that those are exceptions.
Schools do not allow children to use such language. Some states have clear laws prohibiting it. Is it bad to prohibit children from using such language in schools? Movies are rated, in part, on language present. Strong language can give a movie a stricter rating. Stricter ratings mean a smaller audience will see it. A smaller audience means the movie makes less money. I am always amazed that such words are so important that producers are willing to sacrifice a lot of money, perhaps millions at times, by accepting a stricter rating and smaller audience, then to simply use different words.
Society in the U.S. has made the decision that such words are not acceptable in many social contexts – especially related to children.
People can rail all they want that they should be able to use any language (expletives, words deriding groups, …) in whatever context they want – including “anthems” which are normally embraced by a wider group – but they go against “standards” that I did not set up, but that society has set up and embraced for many, many years.
I support those societal standards. I do not “force” them on anyone else. Nonetheless, they exist. How do you want to be addressed by young children? If children talking to you using expletives doesn’t bother you, then we do have another problem. If it would bother you, then you, too, embrace this same standard that exists today in governmental regulation, a variety of state and local laws, in schools, churches, and in the vast majority of families shown in the way parents bring up their children. I did not set the standard. But, it is already set.
My question is always, “Is it NECESSARY to use an expletive?” Rarely is the answer, yes.
“Society in the U.S. has made the decision that such words are not acceptable in many social contexts – especially related to children.”
Yes, but more and more certain words are becoming more acceptable. Everytime I turn on the TV I am surprised at what they get away with now. Standards have evolved and we as people can chose to accept it or not. Point being it’s a choice as individuals that we are allowed to make.
“I, personally, object to the way political correctness has changed some words we use now.”
Yes!!! I actually agree with you on something!!
“My question is always, “Is it NECESSARY to use an expletive?””
In most cases no, but sometimes there is just no other way!
Hg Wells,
I’d tell you to FUCK OFF but I’m afraid I would offend you.
You know I just though of something to add. Does anyone think it’s weird that it is frowned upon to call someone retarded (a once fairly common word), but the word b*tch is used regularly now on TV? What the (insert your own word here)?
Hg Wells,
Ever try to teach a pig to sing?
I hear you. And I know where you’re coming from. Common decency has gone the way of the fedora. Freedom of expression has come to mean “no rules” and “anything goes.” Titillation, competativeness, aggression. These are today’s values.
I’m no prude, and I’ve certainly been around the block a few times, but I strive to maintain for myself a high level of appropriateness, respect, and dignity — ideals that are less valued today than were even 10 and certainly 20 years ago.
bob said: “Standards have evolved . . . “
Standards don’t typically evolve. Standards are static, a basic principle of “standards.” In the context of societal standards, when they begin to unravel, it is a sign that society itself is unraveling. Societal standards must be consciously maintained — it is not a self-piloted machine.
bob: “Yes, but more and more certain words are becoming more acceptable. Everytime I turn on the TV I am surprised at what they get away with now. Standards have evolved and we as people can chose to accept it or not.”
Bob, you, yourself, are surprised by the increasinly acceptable vocabulary that seems to concern even you. Clearly, your own standards are such that you would PREFER that they did not accept the things they seem to now “get away with.” Good standards are obviously still part of you. People only “get away with” something if the rest of us allow it. Here, we are told that we should allow everything, that, if we don’t, something is clearly wrong with us. I don’t accept that. It sounds to me from what you are saying, bob, as though you may not either.
By changing one word in what you say, we reach full agreement: “…we as SOCIETY can choose to accept it or not.” I would suggest that, as a society, as a people, we come back together and oppose what we all see happening, and know should not be. We can choose, as you have said we can do, to NOT accept it.
Bob, you say that sometimes “…there is just no other way!” and that expletives must be used. Is this “anthem” one of those times? Other than losing control over yourself, losing your temper, I wonder when it is that you feel expletives MUST be used, that there is no other word available, that there is no other way?
Justified: “I strive to maintain for myself a high level of appropriateness, respect, and dignity — ideals that are less valued today than were even 10 and certainly 20 years ago.”
Thank you for saying that. You take a position of respect for yourself. Now, the question is whether there are more of us who hold to those ideals (even if we don’t always meet them), then there are those who would see them thrown to the ground and lost forever.
Justified, you say that you are “no prude.” Perhaps that shouldn’t be such a derogatory word any more. Nor have I been either. I spent some years enlisted in the U.S. Army and several more as an officer in the U.S. Navy. (I am not in the military now.) I can assure the most crass posters on this page that I could cuss them under the table with language few would hear again. But, I never accepted such language as appropriate in society. I know both sides of this issue – and the side supporting language of any sort at any time, at any place raising the false defense of freedom is simply wrong. With freedom comes responsibility or it is not true freedom.
I do strongly object to restrictions on our freedom of speech that is now two steps down the road to conditions that existed during and prior to WWII in Stalinist Russia and under the Third Reich. This includes being hustled away and interogated for “inappropriate language” at airports and other restrictions brought about by the Patriot Act and similar laws. It includes children turning their parents in at schools even when no so-called “crime” has been committed. This, too, was as we saw during earlier European history. But, obscenities do not fall into this category. Their use does not support freedom (even though “freedom” may protect it). Instead, their use flushes away the “respect and dignity” we should all have for each other and teach to our children.
Justified: “Standards don’t typically evolve. Standards are static, a basic principle of “standards.” In the context of societal standards, when they begin to unravel, it is a sign that society itself is unraveling. Societal standards must be consciously maintained — it is not a self-piloted machine.”
Well put, Justified. Many societies have fallen following an acceptance of anything its members chose to do, usually the same sort of things we are “accepting” today. The Roman Empire is perhaps most well known, but there have been many others.
I am choosing here, as you are, I hope, to CONSCIOUSLY maintain societal standards that we know we need for a strong society. We cannot do that by remaining quiet when we should be speaking up. Here, we do that.
Nicely put, Justified.
Hg,
Thanks.
Note that if “Many societies have fallen following an acceptance of anything its members chose to do . . . ” then, logically, its members chose to allow those societies to fall. Are we next?
Justified,
A society’s members do not know the outcome of their choices. It is only in hindsight that we can often identify the things that caused a fall. People do not believe that these single individual choices can have societal impact. Nor would most appear to care even if they did.
Whether we are “next” is a question that has been on the table for many years now. Like global warming, it is probably best that we err on the side of protecting what we can of society, rather than ignoring what seem to many as mere expressions of “freedom” and letting it go the way it is clearly going.
Hg,
There are many conversations to be spawned by these concepts. Such as an eastern philosophy that suggests that each and every action, no matter how large or small, has a ripple affect across the world and back — and beyond.
But, I won’t go further into it as this is a Mac/iPod forum.
Cheers!
Well, you guys have a great time talking to one another. I have to go, this room is starting to smell.
Well, I hadn’t meant to go that far!
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I thought it started related to the subject. Sometimes I do get just a little long-winded.
I’ll be quiet now. Maybe the smell will disipate so bob will be able to breathe again!
Time to get a life! Have a good weekend people!
MW: pool
BO-RING!!!
There is a little problem with saying that standards are “static”. That being that nothing (nothing at all, even the big, huge cosmic sense) is static, least of human cultures and societies. Because people change at alarming rates. People who fought for free music and free love in their younger days, now fight to censor music that has gotten out of control. Obviously something in them has undergone a radical change (a friend says owning a house is a sure way to turn a liberal into a conservative).
With the rate that people change at, is it any wonder that “standards” have changed, or loosened? Standards themselves are just a minority’s way of enforcing their status quo on the majority. (By minority I mean rich people with “delicate morals”, like the wives of rich men for example; most of our currently degrading standards were put in place by women who said things like “well, I NEVER!” {they probably hadn’t, or at least they didn’t enjoy it if they did}, and “quite proper”. Ladies they called them.)
Lets not forget that standards are merely a form of censorship. A way for the above described people to avoid any “unpleasantness” in their lives, or to possibly stop the people who were having too much fun from having so much fun, for “their own good”. By making such censorship and standards law, we promote the idea that the government will take care of you, even despite yourself.
Its a debate between the morally righteous and the morally responsible that will never be resolved, and should probably never be resolved. So there’s the version for the righteous and the version for the responsible, but that still doesn’t make it worth listening to.
Let’s see… Generic forgettable guitar rock? Check! Unecessary profanity? Check! Yep, it’s a crap song.
I don’t have a problem with profanity, as long as it adds something. It seems fairly unecessary and boring in this case.
This has got to be the most boring discussion I have encountered on here since the argument about two button mice…
Why don’t you all just SHUT THE FUCK UP!
The issue here seems to be about walking on eggshells so as not to offend other people. Who’s to say that you(HGW) have not offended me with your statements. Your ideas scare me very much and offend to the extreme. Don’t think for one minute that just because you use proper language that your meaning is over looked. You are very rude and judgemental, two things that are way more offensive than the word “F*CK” I personally use the word quite a lot to express emotion. Were you not so daft I would use it on you now. But out of respect for your sensitive nature, I will not
I am 12. I listen to some Green Day songs. I have heard On a Podcast Explicit and Clean versions. Yet I do not swear. I feel that parents in America, in my home country, have every right to not want their children hearing explicit songs, because they provoke imitative behavior. However, there are children like me who are not affected emotionally or in terms of verbal and social skills. Any child who is responsible enough to know right from wrong and apply that knowledge in the right way may have access to songs with swear words in them. Also, America is, or used to be, a world leader in democracy (now it is a world dictator in democracy!) Therefore, our civil rights (including free-speech) are in effect.
Then again, civil rights have been abolished since Bush became president.
See? I just demonstrated my right to insult Bush! I still think the world would be a better place without swear words, but I respect that people have the right to swear.
KenDoRin
Also, HGW, the fact that u put * in the middle of the “f” word does not make it any less offensive.
Cheers,
KenDorin
and i love the song
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