“Oracle amended its Java complaint against Google over Android patent infringement and provided line-by-line comparisons in its exhibits,” Larry Dignan reports for ZDNet.
“In its tweaked complaint, Oracle ups the ante against Google, who has called the lawsuit baseless,” Dignan reports. “Oracle, which first sued Google over Android in August, said: In at least several instances, Android computer program code also was directly copied from copyrighted Oracle America code. For example, as may be readily seen in Exhibit J, the source code in Android’s “PolicyNodeImpl.java” class is nearly identical to “PolicyNodeImpl.java” in Oracle America’s Java, not just in name, but in the source code on a line-for-line basis.“
Dignan reports, “Indeed, if you look at those exhibits the lines of code are identical.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Smoking gun.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “jax44” for the heads up.]
Hand caught in the cookie jar again Eric?
Hand caught in the cookie jar again Eric?
The question isn’t if Google is guilty, but what the settlement will be. Loads of cash or banishment of Android?
The question isn’t if Google is guilty, but what the settlement will be. Loads of cash or banishment of Android?
Oh, c’mon. Whatever happened to the ole’ adage “Good programmers write good code, great programmers steal good code”?
But it does make you wonder what else those Google webcrawlers can grab. Wail… oh no my keys!
Oh, c’mon. Whatever happened to the ole’ adage “Good programmers write good code, great programmers steal good code”?
But it does make you wonder what else those Google webcrawlers can grab. Wail… oh no my keys!
Don’t be evil, google!
Don’t be evil, google!
I guess Goole just got caught with its hand in the cookie jar!
I guess Goole just got caught with its hand in the cookie jar!
So, Android didn’t initialize the isImmutable flag at declaration?
innovative!
Correction… !innovative
So, Android didn’t initialize the isImmutable flag at declaration?
innovative!
Correction… !innovative
Ever since Oracle bought Sun they are picking it apart and sucking every bone like some starved creature.
The people behind OpenOffice have left and formed LibreOffice.
Now Oracle is going after Google over some minor code copying.
It’s obvious Oracle is stomping on any bit of “open” it can and in the process, making enemies much like Microsoft has.
That’s bad business, borne of a company who will soon learn to regret their decision.
Ever since Oracle bought Sun they are picking it apart and sucking every bone like some starved creature.
The people behind OpenOffice have left and formed LibreOffice.
Now Oracle is going after Google over some minor code copying.
It’s obvious Oracle is stomping on any bit of “open” it can and in the process, making enemies much like Microsoft has.
That’s bad business, borne of a company who will soon learn to regret their decision.
Don’t you mean Google got caught with their hand in the COFFEE CAN?
Stealing Java from the office?
Cooking Java without a barista license?
Don’t you mean Google got caught with their hand in the COFFEE CAN?
Stealing Java from the office?
Cooking Java without a barista license?
(Hey Eric T. Mole)
Follow the Same Path as Microsuck,
“Steal, Bribe, Buy, & Bully their way into Others Innovation”
(Hey Eric T. Mole)
Follow the Same Path as Microsuck,
“Steal, Bribe, Buy, & Bully their way into Others Innovation”
We didn’t copy it, just pasted it.
We didn’t copy it, just pasted it.
In breaking news Apple buys Oracle and then pulls the guts from Android.
In breaking news Apple buys Oracle and then pulls the guts from Android.
You watch, suddenly all OpenOffice and Java users will get a pop-up and a 30 day notice to buy the software or it will cease to exist on their machine.
Soon as LibreOffice is on it’s feet, out of beta…switch.
The file format should be fine.
You watch, suddenly all OpenOffice and Java users will get a pop-up and a 30 day notice to buy the software or it will cease to exist on their machine.
Soon as LibreOffice is on it’s feet, out of beta…switch.
The file format should be fine.
New Flash exploit(s) in the wild, for Mac’s, Linux and Windows PC’s.
Shake, shudder and cower.
You know you should have Firefox with NoScript, BetterPrivacy, Ad Block Plus and Ghostery installed, but you just too scared.
It’s ok, Safari with private browsing and Click to Flash, Ghostery and AdBlock Plus plug-ins (under the Safari menu) will keep you safe too.
Just Safari is so depressingly grey…and the choice of plug-ins so minuscule compared to Firefox.
http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-adobe-flash-bug-being-exploited-102810#comment-4811
New Flash exploit(s) in the wild, for Mac’s, Linux and Windows PC’s.
Shake, shudder and cower.
You know you should have Firefox with NoScript, BetterPrivacy, Ad Block Plus and Ghostery installed, but you just too scared.
It’s ok, Safari with private browsing and Click to Flash, Ghostery and AdBlock Plus plug-ins (under the Safari menu) will keep you safe too.
Just Safari is so depressingly grey…and the choice of plug-ins so minuscule compared to Firefox.
http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/new-adobe-flash-bug-being-exploited-102810#comment-4811
I’m glad you’re all for everything being open, lovey-dovey and sharing everything. So, in the spirit of things, I hope you don’t mind if I stop by your place after work, raid your fridge and then proceed to do your girlfriend about seven or eight times from different positions.
I’m sure you won’t be upset. After all, it’s the equivalent of “minor code copying” as you posit.
While we’re at it, since you feel it’s perfectly okay for Google to copy what it wants, why not simply sign over the title to your house and car to me too? I’m sure you won’t mind a bit.
Isn’t sharing fun?
I’m glad you’re all for everything being open, lovey-dovey and sharing everything. So, in the spirit of things, I hope you don’t mind if I stop by your place after work, raid your fridge and then proceed to do your girlfriend about seven or eight times from different positions.
I’m sure you won’t be upset. After all, it’s the equivalent of “minor code copying” as you posit.
While we’re at it, since you feel it’s perfectly okay for Google to copy what it wants, why not simply sign over the title to your house and car to me too? I’m sure you won’t mind a bit.
Isn’t sharing fun?
@Bizzarro
Google, Apple, Microsoft, RedHat, Oracle and other companies all have the right to defend their intellectual property.
Oracle believes that Google has infringed on their patents. Google disagrees. The court will decide if the material presented by Oracle is enough to warrant a case for further exploration. If it does, then the court will decide if Google is infringing or not.
A lot of people hated Oracle even before they bought Sun. Whether they go after Google or not won’t change that. It’s sad that Sun is being dismantled as it is. But Larry will always do what he thinks is best for Oracle and that pisses a lot of people off. Plus Larry was also on the Board of Directors at Apple and considers Steve a close friend. So I can see how going after Google is both business related and personal.
Disclosure: I’ve worked at both Oracle and Sun.
@Bizzarro
Google, Apple, Microsoft, RedHat, Oracle and other companies all have the right to defend their intellectual property.
Oracle believes that Google has infringed on their patents. Google disagrees. The court will decide if the material presented by Oracle is enough to warrant a case for further exploration. If it does, then the court will decide if Google is infringing or not.
A lot of people hated Oracle even before they bought Sun. Whether they go after Google or not won’t change that. It’s sad that Sun is being dismantled as it is. But Larry will always do what he thinks is best for Oracle and that pisses a lot of people off. Plus Larry was also on the Board of Directors at Apple and considers Steve a close friend. So I can see how going after Google is both business related and personal.
Disclosure: I’ve worked at both Oracle and Sun.
@ Mark Bizarro,
Be careful, your inner Fandroid is creeping out. People will think all your Mac talk is just bullshit.
@ Mark Bizarro,
Be careful, your inner Fandroid is creeping out. People will think all your Mac talk is just bullshit.
If you copy it, then it’s yours, right? AND it’s FREE!
‘What could be better than FREE?!?!?!?!
@Bizarro…
Maybe you should go back to playing WoW instead of lurking around intelligent beings. Those magic spells really don’t work anywhere else.
If you copy it, then it’s yours, right? AND it’s FREE!
‘What could be better than FREE?!?!?!?!
@Bizarro…
Maybe you should go back to playing WoW instead of lurking around intelligent beings. Those magic spells really don’t work anywhere else.
Oracle will go for Google’s jugular… a few years back I would have sided with Google.
Not today.
Oracle will go for Google’s jugular… a few years back I would have sided with Google.
Not today.
Well iOpener,
Perhaps Oracle should have examined their potential purchase a bit better before buying it instead of making enemies with buyers remorse afterwards.
The skinny frail kid in the school really can’t afford to go around and pick fights.
Well iOpener,
Perhaps Oracle should have examined their potential purchase a bit better before buying it instead of making enemies with buyers remorse afterwards.
The skinny frail kid in the school really can’t afford to go around and pick fights.
Let us see if Google prove me right in that I though Android was intended to be sacrificed anyway to open the market to Chrome OS.
Let us see if Google prove me right in that I though Android was intended to be sacrificed anyway to open the market to Chrome OS.
Google brought out Android pretty quickly after Apple disclosed iOS. Maybe, just maybe, they were able to get to market so quickly because they used a little 5 finger slight of hand??????
Google brought out Android pretty quickly after Apple disclosed iOS. Maybe, just maybe, they were able to get to market so quickly because they used a little 5 finger slight of hand??????
“So, in the spirit of things, I hope you don’t mind if I stop by your place after work, raid your fridge and then proceed to do your girlfriend about seven or eight times from different positions.”
No I wouldn’t mind if both renewed itself, which is what software is really like as it’s something that can be reproduced almost effortlessly. A real girls mind (after the horrors of you raping her) and a refrigerator full of food can’t.
Software is a shared concept like air or water, you get to use it, then I get to use it. After I’m done someone else gets to use it. Along the way it gets better as more minds look the code and think “hey I can improve that”. Evolution occurs.
It’s when a bunch of people say, “No it’s mine and I’m not letting you see it” is when the trouble starts and the innovation ceases and exploits multiply as less minds look at the code.
You know why Windows is so prone to vulnerabilities?, because it’s closed. You know why Linux and BSD Unix (the core of OS X) is so secure? Because many people get to look at the code, make changes, diverge it’s path for different uses etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution
It’s this concept that Oracle obviously has trouble understanding as they got a bunch of bean counters going over the remains of Sun.
Core type code should be open source/public domain and more detailed specific programs like iTunes should be closed to recuperate the investment and not outright stolen and copied.
Java has been around awhile and become a core type code, sort of having passed into the public domain, it’s because Oracle just got Sun and Java recently they think it should be closed.
If Oracle had Java for 20 years, they likely wouldn’t care if Google inadvertently copied it, as they would have already recouped their investment in it.
“So, in the spirit of things, I hope you don’t mind if I stop by your place after work, raid your fridge and then proceed to do your girlfriend about seven or eight times from different positions.”
No I wouldn’t mind if both renewed itself, which is what software is really like as it’s something that can be reproduced almost effortlessly. A real girls mind (after the horrors of you raping her) and a refrigerator full of food can’t.
Software is a shared concept like air or water, you get to use it, then I get to use it. After I’m done someone else gets to use it. Along the way it gets better as more minds look the code and think “hey I can improve that”. Evolution occurs.
It’s when a bunch of people say, “No it’s mine and I’m not letting you see it” is when the trouble starts and the innovation ceases and exploits multiply as less minds look at the code.
You know why Windows is so prone to vulnerabilities?, because it’s closed. You know why Linux and BSD Unix (the core of OS X) is so secure? Because many people get to look at the code, make changes, diverge it’s path for different uses etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution
It’s this concept that Oracle obviously has trouble understanding as they got a bunch of bean counters going over the remains of Sun.
Core type code should be open source/public domain and more detailed specific programs like iTunes should be closed to recuperate the investment and not outright stolen and copied.
Java has been around awhile and become a core type code, sort of having passed into the public domain, it’s because Oracle just got Sun and Java recently they think it should be closed.
If Oracle had Java for 20 years, they likely wouldn’t care if Google inadvertently copied it, as they would have already recouped their investment in it.
@Mr. Reeee
If you copy it, then it’s yours, right? AND it’s FREE!
‘What could be better than FREE?!?!?!?!
Free as in the concept of being “open” and allowed to examine the code and make changes to improve it and keeping the new code in that state, yes.
Nothing is stopping someone from slapping a price on their new code and trying to retail it to ordinary consumers who don’t know how to code. Like what OS X does.
OS X is based on BSD Unix, which is a “free” operating system and likely wouldn’t have existed if the Berkley students didn’t have the opportunity to hack on the code.
Oracle invested nothing in Java, except what they paid for Sun and the lawyers who are suing Google over it. If they attached some value to Java pre-purchase they shouldn’t have. Java has been around for ages, it’s nearly public domain and should have been so at least somebody would develop on it.
Hardly anyone uses Java anyway, just a few stupid government sites and their on line records systems.
@Mr. Reeee
If you copy it, then it’s yours, right? AND it’s FREE!
‘What could be better than FREE?!?!?!?!
Free as in the concept of being “open” and allowed to examine the code and make changes to improve it and keeping the new code in that state, yes.
Nothing is stopping someone from slapping a price on their new code and trying to retail it to ordinary consumers who don’t know how to code. Like what OS X does.
OS X is based on BSD Unix, which is a “free” operating system and likely wouldn’t have existed if the Berkley students didn’t have the opportunity to hack on the code.
Oracle invested nothing in Java, except what they paid for Sun and the lawyers who are suing Google over it. If they attached some value to Java pre-purchase they shouldn’t have. Java has been around for ages, it’s nearly public domain and should have been so at least somebody would develop on it.
Hardly anyone uses Java anyway, just a few stupid government sites and their on line records systems.
@Mark Bizzarro
Good lord you are an idiot.
I don’t know of any software programers that are going to work for free.
That is what you push. Open software…free software.
Someone has to put in the long hours writing it.
Do they do this on a free computer?
Free office or house they sit in?
Free electricity?
Free food and water?
Once you can provide me with all that for free, then sure I’ll write software and give it away for the common good.
But if you can’t, then f@ck off. Write your own software instead of stealing everyone else’s.
@Mark Bizzarro
Good lord you are an idiot.
I don’t know of any software programers that are going to work for free.
That is what you push. Open software…free software.
Someone has to put in the long hours writing it.
Do they do this on a free computer?
Free office or house they sit in?
Free electricity?
Free food and water?
Once you can provide me with all that for free, then sure I’ll write software and give it away for the common good.
But if you can’t, then f@ck off. Write your own software instead of stealing everyone else’s.
@Mark Bizzarro,
Thanks for letting me “borrow” your wife. She’ll be walking funny, and I’ll let you guess what that smell is on her breath.
@Mark Bizzarro,
Thanks for letting me “borrow” your wife. She’ll be walking funny, and I’ll let you guess what that smell is on her breath.
So you got your house and car paid for, now I can come over and live with you and drive your car. For no rent. Yehaw, I got some friends who will love that. See ya tomorrow.
So you got your house and car paid for, now I can come over and live with you and drive your car. For no rent. Yehaw, I got some friends who will love that. See ya tomorrow.
Google yet again playing dirty!
These guys are getting as bad a reputation as Microsoft.
Good old Eric up to his usual dirty tricks again!
Google yet again playing dirty!
These guys are getting as bad a reputation as Microsoft.
Good old Eric up to his usual dirty tricks again!
lol java sucks:
the first virus for osx came out today and guess what language it was written in! 😀 (now both flash /and/ java sit nicely in my trash can)
lol java sucks:
the first virus for osx came out today and guess what language it was written in! 😀 (now both flash /and/ java sit nicely in my trash can)
@Stephen
I heard it is a trojan, you must actually download it yourself. Then you have to run it to cause harm to your mac. So basically I think you can protect your private data with an antivirus software called “brain 1.0”. It’s free, bit not available to everybody.
[Did I get this right? I am not a computer expert, just my friend told me so (he’s an IT-guy, windows support…). So maybe I am wrong about it. But no problem, I’m sure Bizzarro will correct me…]
@Stephen
I heard it is a trojan, you must actually download it yourself. Then you have to run it to cause harm to your mac. So basically I think you can protect your private data with an antivirus software called “brain 1.0”. It’s free, bit not available to everybody.
[Did I get this right? I am not a computer expert, just my friend told me so (he’s an IT-guy, windows support…). So maybe I am wrong about it. But no problem, I’m sure Bizzarro will correct me…]
@Asterix
I heard it was embedded in an html page.
but I hate java anyway (i’m still stung from finely learning the window library only to find that they completely rearrange everything every 6 months :/)
and java applications on the mac tend to suck anyways
@Asterix
I heard it was embedded in an html page.
but I hate java anyway (i’m still stung from finely learning the window library only to find that they completely rearrange everything every 6 months :/)
and java applications on the mac tend to suck anyways
FUD…pure and simple.
Dalvik (Google’s) is a clean room version of a java-like language (syntax, etc, which is similar for many of the c-family language- except objective-c) that compiles into different byte code and runs on a different Virtual machine to the JRE from sun/oracle. So good luck. By that argument oracle should go after microsh*t for C# since it borrows VERY heavily from Java. But Larry the Lizard won’t do that because that’d be very unproductive.
So when the dust clears, it’ll be a waste of time. *Yawn*
FUD…pure and simple.
Dalvik (Google’s) is a clean room version of a java-like language (syntax, etc, which is similar for many of the c-family language- except objective-c) that compiles into different byte code and runs on a different Virtual machine to the JRE from sun/oracle. So good luck. By that argument oracle should go after microsh*t for C# since it borrows VERY heavily from Java. But Larry the Lizard won’t do that because that’d be very unproductive.
So when the dust clears, it’ll be a waste of time. *Yawn*
Caw Caw
Caw Caw
@Mike Bizarro
Hence the name Mike Bizarro, you have proved your point on how “bizarro” you are. Your theory of “open source” is pointless and baseless. I advise you keep your dignity by tucking your tail low between your ass by doing some research and STFU.
@Mike Bizarro
Hence the name Mike Bizarro, you have proved your point on how “bizarro” you are. Your theory of “open source” is pointless and baseless. I advise you keep your dignity by tucking your tail low between your ass by doing some research and STFU.
@bizarro
Thanks for your points. You might consider visiting other sites to share your thoughts, however. This place isn’t exactly crowded by unbiased, open minded entities. Just look at the regular “MDN Takes” and you’ll get the
drift.
Cheers
@bizarro
Thanks for your points. You might consider visiting other sites to share your thoughts, however. This place isn’t exactly crowded by unbiased, open minded entities. Just look at the regular “MDN Takes” and you’ll get the
drift.
Cheers
Like Microsoft Google will be found guilty. The only question is what will the court do about it? give Google a little slap on the hand and say don’t do that anymore! Or, will the court get some real stones and put an end Google Theft. Google is the worse possible company to hold any type of clout in the tech sector. Creepy Sick Eric is the wrong CEO to have any type of authoritative position with the government.
The Top Ten Creepy and Sick CEO’s that should have no Authoritative power or position with the Government:
1. Eric Schmidt
2. Mark Zuckerberg
3. Jeff Bezos
4. Steve Ballmer
5. Howard Stringer
6. Werner Wenning
7. Bruce Bond
8. Ivan Seidenberg
9.Shantanu Narayen
10. Akio Toyoda
Like Microsoft Google will be found guilty. The only question is what will the court do about it? give Google a little slap on the hand and say don’t do that anymore! Or, will the court get some real stones and put an end Google Theft. Google is the worse possible company to hold any type of clout in the tech sector. Creepy Sick Eric is the wrong CEO to have any type of authoritative position with the government.
The Top Ten Creepy and Sick CEO’s that should have no Authoritative power or position with the Government:
1. Eric Schmidt
2. Mark Zuckerberg
3. Jeff Bezos
4. Steve Ballmer
5. Howard Stringer
6. Werner Wenning
7. Bruce Bond
8. Ivan Seidenberg
9.Shantanu Narayen
10. Akio Toyoda
@W.T.Effyall
Hilarious!
@W.T.Effyall
Hilarious!
Now let’s see…. Google stole the interface from Apple’s and also stole the under the hood code from Sun. Sweet!
But, that’s all ok because it’s an “open source” project.
Mark Bizzarro, wow dude, you read up on the different (differences between) open source licenses, before espousing (completely groundless) opinions.
Now let’s see…. Google stole the interface from Apple’s and also stole the under the hood code from Sun. Sweet!
But, that’s all ok because it’s an “open source” project.
Mark Bizzarro, wow dude, you read up on the different (differences between) open source licenses, before espousing (completely groundless) opinions.
Eric T. Mole should be sent to prison and be somebody’s bitch and forced to drink “white juice”…
Eric T. Mole should be sent to prison and be somebody’s bitch and forced to drink “white juice”…
Software is a shared concept like air or water, you get to use it, then I get to use it.
Wrong. Software, unless specifically released under open source guidelines, is protected by corporate copyright and certain uses are proscribed. If Google copied code, they are in clear violation of the law. Only Freetards think developers time is free.
Software is a shared concept like air or water, you get to use it, then I get to use it.
Wrong. Software, unless specifically released under open source guidelines, is protected by corporate copyright and certain uses are proscribed. If Google copied code, they are in clear violation of the law. Only Freetards think developers time is free.
Dalvik (Google’s) is a clean room version of a java-like language
Says you. If it’s clean, why does it have Oracle’s code in it?
Face it. Sun may have been toothless but Oracle is not. Google has already clearly demonstrated it practices IP theft as a business model. And Google’s “don’t be evil/we’re ‘open'” claim are easily disproved by their own actions.
Dalvik (Google’s) is a clean room version of a java-like language
Says you. If it’s clean, why does it have Oracle’s code in it?
Face it. Sun may have been toothless but Oracle is not. Google has already clearly demonstrated it practices IP theft as a business model. And Google’s “don’t be evil/we’re ‘open'” claim are easily disproved by their own actions.
Bizzaro the troll is back with his paid for objectives…
Bizzaro the troll is back with his paid for objectives…
why is everyone kickin on this Bizarro dude? He’s got some valid points imho. And its not like anyone counters his talk in a polite or intelligent way either.
why is everyone kickin on this Bizarro dude? He’s got some valid points imho. And its not like anyone counters his talk in a polite or intelligent way either.
@G7
I have nothing against open source software, I /DO/ however dislike the “open source community” (e.g. people like bazaro) who expect us to work our butts off making a piece of software and then just hand it over to them for free!! that’s stupid. Most of there “open” stuff (libssh2 is a nice example) forces you to make your software open source. thats “open” for you.
also the whole water analogy doesn’t work, where I come from you drill a well (on /YOUR/ property) and pay for the electricity (and sometimes repairs) to run the well, the water that is brought out of the ground is owned by /YOU/ and have the right to share it or not.
@G7
I have nothing against open source software, I /DO/ however dislike the “open source community” (e.g. people like bazaro) who expect us to work our butts off making a piece of software and then just hand it over to them for free!! that’s stupid. Most of there “open” stuff (libssh2 is a nice example) forces you to make your software open source. thats “open” for you.
also the whole water analogy doesn’t work, where I come from you drill a well (on /YOUR/ property) and pay for the electricity (and sometimes repairs) to run the well, the water that is brought out of the ground is owned by /YOU/ and have the right to share it or not.
Google copied lots of stuff without ever asking none…! Well known matter, already.
Google copied lots of stuff without ever asking none…! Well known matter, already.
This exhibit looks like a copy to me, and Java may be free & open-source but it’s still copyrighted. All Google had to do was properly attribute it.
Stupid and arrogant not to do so.
This exhibit looks like a copy to me, and Java may be free & open-source but it’s still copyrighted. All Google had to do was properly attribute it.
Stupid and arrogant not to do so.
Open source developers don’t expect their code to be stolen line by line with small syntax changes so as not to be compatible with the original source code in order to create a new commercial operating system.
MacOSX builds on top of Open Source UNIX (Darwin) but Apple has done everything properly, openly and on the up and up, unlike Google, which has been shifty with Android because it is a corporate culture that does not respect privacy or openness.
Open source developers don’t expect their code to be stolen line by line with small syntax changes so as not to be compatible with the original source code in order to create a new commercial operating system.
MacOSX builds on top of Open Source UNIX (Darwin) but Apple has done everything properly, openly and on the up and up, unlike Google, which has been shifty with Android because it is a corporate culture that does not respect privacy or openness.
I think before everyone accuse Google is stealing, please get the fact right. After reading for a day articles trying to find out exactly what is going on. Here are my gather. Before Oracle aquire Sun Microsystem, Sun release Java as open source to Apache Harmony but reserved TCK ( some compatiblitlity Kit) as close source. At that time Oracle and Google are in the same boat trying to persuade SUN to release TCK as open source which Sun refuses. Google hire ex Java developer and created Dalvik VM. As soon as Oracle acquired Sun, Oracle turns around and sue Google for Dalvik. Oracle accused Google for copying their code line by line in android but those code can be found from Apache harmony. There are still alot of things are not being answered which Oracle claims. I wouldn’t jump into conclusion that Google is stealing the code. If those codes are released part of GPLv2, Google can copy it.
I think before everyone accuse Google is stealing, please get the fact right. After reading for a day articles trying to find out exactly what is going on. Here are my gather. Before Oracle aquire Sun Microsystem, Sun release Java as open source to Apache Harmony but reserved TCK ( some compatiblitlity Kit) as close source. At that time Oracle and Google are in the same boat trying to persuade SUN to release TCK as open source which Sun refuses. Google hire ex Java developer and created Dalvik VM. As soon as Oracle acquired Sun, Oracle turns around and sue Google for Dalvik. Oracle accused Google for copying their code line by line in android but those code can be found from Apache harmony. There are still alot of things are not being answered which Oracle claims. I wouldn’t jump into conclusion that Google is stealing the code. If those codes are released part of GPLv2, Google can copy it.
Regarding Open Source and developers. No one forces a developer to write open source code. Developers are always free to write code and charge for it. Let the best code win. In practice, most open source developers are either coding for fun – and so couldn’t care less about being paid – or are being paid to develop the software by their employer, who makes money off the open-source code in other ways, or is simply contributing the source code as a by-product of other activities for which they are paid. To imagine that open source advocates are suggesting that developers should work for free is at best naive and more likely simply disingenuous.
Regarding Open Source and developers. No one forces a developer to write open source code. Developers are always free to write code and charge for it. Let the best code win. In practice, most open source developers are either coding for fun – and so couldn’t care less about being paid – or are being paid to develop the software by their employer, who makes money off the open-source code in other ways, or is simply contributing the source code as a by-product of other activities for which they are paid. To imagine that open source advocates are suggesting that developers should work for free is at best naive and more likely simply disingenuous.
However, note that, as Google has already pointed out, Sun released code under the GPL, not that Google says it used it. But if it had, as you can see, Sun released PolicyNodeImpl.java under the GPLv2 with classpath exception. So what in the world is Oracle thinking? Also, it’s not Harmony either, as the Apache guys are pointing out: “Even though the code in question has an Apache license, it is not part of Harmony. PolicyNodeImpl.java is simply not a Harmony class.” I’m puzzled how GPLv2 code ended up with an Apache license, but I can’t explain that yet. We have a comment saying that it’s not code that is distributed with phones, in any case. It’s for testing units. Here it is if you want to look at it. Here’s what I think happened overall. The same thing that happened in the SCO saga. When lawyers don’t grok the tech, they make bizarre claims that they then can’t prove, and so they fail.
For more information goto
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101028111354436
However, note that, as Google has already pointed out, Sun released code under the GPL, not that Google says it used it. But if it had, as you can see, Sun released PolicyNodeImpl.java under the GPLv2 with classpath exception. So what in the world is Oracle thinking? Also, it’s not Harmony either, as the Apache guys are pointing out: “Even though the code in question has an Apache license, it is not part of Harmony. PolicyNodeImpl.java is simply not a Harmony class.” I’m puzzled how GPLv2 code ended up with an Apache license, but I can’t explain that yet. We have a comment saying that it’s not code that is distributed with phones, in any case. It’s for testing units. Here it is if you want to look at it. Here’s what I think happened overall. The same thing that happened in the SCO saga. When lawyers don’t grok the tech, they make bizarre claims that they then can’t prove, and so they fail.
For more information goto
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101028111354436
“Dignan reports, “Indeed, if you look at those exhibits the lines of code are identical.” “
Yeah, but we knew this THREE MONTHS AGO!
Slow news day?
Google Troll Challenge: I dare you to turn this into good news for Google. Three months later we’re still waiting…
“Dignan reports, “Indeed, if you look at those exhibits the lines of code are identical.” “
Yeah, but we knew this THREE MONTHS AGO!
Slow news day?
Google Troll Challenge: I dare you to turn this into good news for Google. Three months later we’re still waiting…
What a disaster “Don’t be evil” has turned out to be for Google… a naive and stupid slogan that was always going to turn around and bite them in the butt.
Especially when there’s a psychopath like Eric Schmidt running the company.
What a disaster “Don’t be evil” has turned out to be for Google… a naive and stupid slogan that was always going to turn around and bite them in the butt.
Especially when there’s a psychopath like Eric Schmidt running the company.
@his shadow
by that logic, everybody is guilty until proven innocent. You’re choosing to believe the worst in google because it conforms to your world view and you expect them to have done this because in their position you would have done the same. This says a lot about you.
I wait and see to see I think. I believe Google’s claim about Dalvik. It’s open source too (so anybody can have freely checked the libraries used given the time and inclination)! So time will tell, but until then, it’s FUD until proven otherwise. In any event, any code offending code will surely be written. So, it’s all a big yawn. Don’t expect (or hope) the courts will kill android because it isn’t going to happen.
@his shadow
by that logic, everybody is guilty until proven innocent. You’re choosing to believe the worst in google because it conforms to your world view and you expect them to have done this because in their position you would have done the same. This says a lot about you.
I wait and see to see I think. I believe Google’s claim about Dalvik. It’s open source too (so anybody can have freely checked the libraries used given the time and inclination)! So time will tell, but until then, it’s FUD until proven otherwise. In any event, any code offending code will surely be written. So, it’s all a big yawn. Don’t expect (or hope) the courts will kill android because it isn’t going to happen.
Android is a stupid geek name. Sound so stupid. Like all the phony names on Google’s releases. Cup cake? Comon… Are they children over there???
Android is a stupid geek name. Sound so stupid. Like all the phony names on Google’s releases. Cup cake? Comon… Are they children over there???