“Should investors care about the political beliefs of executives? According to the managers of the Blue Fund, a mutual fund launched in the US in time for the mid-term elections, they should. The name (as in ‘blue states’) shows it is designed for Democrats. But its also shows Republicans how to invest in line with their politics,” John Authers reports for The Financial Times. “Blue Fund looks at the political donations a company has made from corporate political action committees, and from the pockets of its three most senior executives.”
“The research has yielded lists of ‘red’ and ‘blue’ companies, which gave 95 per cent of their donations to Republicans and Democrats respectively over the past 10 years. The bluest include Google, Apple Computer, Starbucks and Costco. The reddest include Exxon Mobil, Union Pacific, International Paper, Halliburton and Dell,” Authers reports.
“Over the five years to June this year, the blue index gained 139 per cent, compared with 34 per cent for the S&P 500, which in turn beat the red index. Even excluding recent stars Google and Apple, the blues are easily ahead,” Authers writes. “How seriously should we take this? It may be a fluke. Republicans could argue that after such a rally it looks time to sell blue stocks, and they should dispute the Blue Fund’s contention that Apple’s principles have helped it to be more innovative than Dell. Dell’s political conservatism did not stop it from revolutionising its industry in the 1990s.”
Authers reports, “Under President Bill Clinton, Dell grew at 93.8 per cent per year, according to Bloomberg data, while Apple fell at a 4.6 per cent annual clip. Under President George W. Bush, Dell has limped along at 3.8 per cent a year, while Apple grew at 47.5 per cent.”
Full article (subscription required) here.
Authers’ use of the word “innovative” in relation to Dell is unfortunate. Apple, which does it all, is clearly vastly more innovative than the Wal-Martesque PC box assembler Dell, regardless of politics. The political party of the U.S. President has about as much effect on the fortunes of Apple and Dell as Punxsutawney Phil has on the weather (although one might argue that Microsoft’s slap on the wrist vs. more severe penalties in the U.S. DOJ antitrust case was by some measure related to the administration in charge and could’ve changed the dynamics of the Mac vs. Windows market).
Related articles:
RealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser out $9.8 million as ‘Air America’ goes bankrupt – October 14, 2006
What’s on Hilary Clinton’s Apple iPod? – May 22, 2006
Rush Limbaugh and Apple Computer to intro new podcast service via iTunes – March 08, 2006
President Bush shows off his Apple iPod (link to video) – December 16, 2005
Rush Limbaugh announces video podcasts for Apple iPod starting December 12th – November 30, 2005
President Bush’s weekly radio address podcasts available via Apple’s iTunes Music Store – August 11, 2005
Rush Limbaugh: ‘I am the hottest thing in podcasting’ – June 09, 2005
Rush Limbaugh and Apple Computer working to bring podcasts of radio show to iTunes Music Store – May 17, 2005
Rush Limbaugh says ‘Mac OS X Tiger Rocks,’ posts link to free Rush advertisement for Mac – April 30, 2005
President Bush’s use of iPod a lucky or bad break for Apple Computer? – April 18, 2005
President Bush’s Apple iPod features eclectic list of downloaded tunes – April 11, 2005
Die Welt: U.S President George Bush is ‘the Steve Jobs of World Politics’ – February 25, 2005
What’s on U.S. President Bush’s Apple iPod? – February 23, 2005
The Hill: Put Rush Limbaugh on Apple’s board of directors; he could sell tons of Macs – January 26, 2005
U.S. President George Bush a confirmed Apple iPod user (images included) – December 22, 2004
Rush Limbaugh calls for Apple iCal to Sidekick solution – November 12, 2004
Apple CEO Steve Jobs: ‘I’m going to just stay away from all that political stuff’ – August 25, 2004
President Bush, candidate Kerry both use Apple PowerBooks – July 14, 2004
Baltimore Sun: Vice President Dick Cheney a confirmed Apple iPod user – April 01, 2004
Rush Limbaugh: Why does Apple put politics first? – June 27, 2003
Rush Limbaugh comments on Gored Apple – March 21, 2003
The Mac is Bush to Windows’ Clinton (opinion) – October 25, 2002
Conservative Mac users miffed at Apple’s Jimmy Carter page – October 14, 2002
Thank God
Not surprising at all.
Well, considering Dell appeals to the base knuckle draggers of computer users, it makes sense that they would support the political party of uninventive knuckle-draggers.
Hey, blue is my favourite colour!! It is the colour of aqua……
Yeah, MDN. This one should get you plenty of hits. Not to mention an all-out JR. High level political flame war.
True, the political party of the sitting president is irrelevant to the economic fortunes of the companies compared.
But the political leanings explain a great deal about why one company is pathetic imitator and the other is a leader with bold ideas.
Uninformed trailer trash support Republicans out of fear and ignorance. Enlightened, intelligent, informed people do not.
Good.
No complaints from me… and in fact, I’d have been surprised if it’d been any other way. Costco on the other hand, does surprise me, yet I’m not sure why.
and cue the spittle frothing asshats spewing political crap in 3…2…1…
democrats sucks as much as reps. what the US needs is a restart. Sure, I guess the dems will get lots of protest voters coming from ex-reps. since the current setup in Washington is a slap in the face of humanity. However, I doubt the dems will be able to reverse or repair what has been done. It’s all really sad. :((***
Watch out, here we go. It’s gonna be the longest tread ever. I use Macs exclusively but I support Red. What gives?
If Republicans are so evil, then why has Apple prospered so mightily under the leadership of President George Bush?
The amazing thing about many of the bush/Cheney NeoCon crowd is that they do not vote their own interest. The working poor/middle class evangelicals support people who give huge tax cuts to the very wealthy at the expense of everyone else, export jobs overseas, drive down their wages, undermine their unions and worker protections, oppose healthcare reform, etc.
Look at this map of where people without healthcare are. Most are firmly in the NeoCon grip. Maybe that’s why so many go to faith healers. They also buy a lot of cheap Windoze PeeCees at Wal-Mart.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/10/25/health/25insure_graphic_sub.html
Steve Jobes voted for Pedro. Gosh.
I’d rather be dead than have red on my head.
ok, ok.. raise your hand if you think the dems are gonna put more money in your pocket? What? no hands?
Now you done it…. A thread the is SUPPOSE to be about politics… This ought to be good!
By the way. I’m waiting for the far left Dems to completely take over California, and finish the job of screwing the State up that they started under Gray Davis. Then when thing get so bad, people might wake up, and we’ll get some real reform and straighten out this mess that is the People’s Republic of Kalifornia.
So Steve…. just keep giving to those nuts……
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Yeah boy!
I’m with mactivist. The party that bribes me with cold hard cash will get my vote. Screw everyone else!
Proof that no political part has a monopoly on retards:
Real CEO/Pro Doughnut Eater Rob Glaser is a tree-hugging, commie pinko, liberal Democrat who fronted the now-bankrupt tree-hugging, commie pinko, liberal Democrat Air America radio fiasco.
Apple is prospering because of what Apple is doing and DESPITE the knuckle dragging, inbred, butt-buddy, crony morons of the current cabal running both the Congress and the executive branch.
BTW- Air America is still on the Air & is the fastest growing radio net in the USA.
Colbert has the word
Here’s a nice list of ongoing G.O.P. (Gang of Pedophiles) scandals.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index.html?pn=1
So in other words if I’m a liberal I should only invest in Dell and use their products while I can’t use or invest in Apple if I’m conservative?
So much time and bullcrap spent to try to divide people even further than we already are.
Forget the Vista and Zune news, I want MDN to be a “No Politics” zone.
MW = “job” as in: Get a real job and quit trying to pit people against each other over petty differences.
Democrat to Republican Switcher:
Way to go! You managed to use all the bankrupt buzzwords in one, semi-coherent sentence. Well done…. don’t you feel pleased with yourself now?
Now if only you really knew what those big words mean….
Weird, Republicans make up a more educated demographic, so they should go hand in hand with the smarter demographic of Apple users.
Red vs. Blue:
It seems to me to be backwards. Dems lean left, Communists are often identified as “Red.”
As for the party in power, the Republicans, the term “True Blue” in America means “politically sound.”
Who decided on these color designations, the mainstream media? If so, is it a ploy by the liberal media to subconsciously “color” voters’ perceptions of the respective political parties?
Good thing that most of us don’t give a rat’s ass what Steve Jobs’ political affiliation is. Luckily he’s a hell of a lot better at running a company than he is at picking his political friends and causes.
MMM…I believe in limited government, strong military, LEGAL immigration with punishment for businesses and people that break the laws, personally disagree with gay marriage but do not think it is something the government should be involved with, don’t believe the government should FUND embryonic stem cell research, pro-life, support gun ownership, don’t believe in Affirmative Action, and believe in personal responsibility and would never buy a piece of s*** Dell, Gateway or anything running Windows. Also, between my very conservative fiance and myself we have three macs (2 powerbooks and a 5 year old iBook running as a music server) 2 iPod nanos, 1 iPod shuffle, 1 iPod 60GB, 1 iPod 30GB, 1 iPod 1st Gen, an Airport Express, an isight camera which I use to video conference with my very conservative family, all mac owners. So…i don’t believe whether you are a Republican or Democrat has anything to do with what type of computer you use
Red and Blue make purple. Next subject.
Color Theorist:
The color code probably relates to RED as in debt – Reagan, Bush and Bush have all taken US into the RED.
http://zfacts.com/p/461.html
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Your non-exitant tax dollars not at work.
Forgot to mention in college I worked at the on campus apple reseller and was an Apple Campus Representative for a year.
I list my political affiliations in this order: Human, American, Conservative, Republican. My party affiliation comes last. I’ve been a Mac user and evangelist since 1985 or 86. My knuckles do not drag on the ground, and it bothers me not a wit that Steve may vote Dem. I question the wisdom of putting Al Gore on the Board, but I am more interested in the achievements of a company, not the political affiliations of the people that work there.
Also, isn’t Rush Limbaugh a huge Apple fanatic and George Bush with his always at his side iPod.
I am so disgusted by the broken promises, lies, childish behavior, sore loser mentality, weak on defense and terrorism, and corruptness of the Democrat party. I wish I had switched years ago and not wasted my votes. I’m tired of being lied to and having my taxes raised. Thank god for Republicans.
Color Theorist:
I agree your colors down there are backwards. In Canada, the Conservative Pary is Blue (blue chip), the Liberal Party is Red.
I myself vote Conservative here though I am probably a Liberal. It has to do with policy and trust and theivery.
I always find in interesting to listen to the “Gay Republicans” on Larry King or wherever; somehow they are able to focus in on real policy and true conservative values rather than all the other shit that this White House seems to saddle itself with in order to win the “Religious Right” votes.
Smart people, whether Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc., use Macs.
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Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their merry mob are war mongers, who have their nose in the trof,
Thank gawd Apple do not support these dumb ass right wing nutters, they will be the death of us all if we are not careful
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As a long time apple employee, I can assure you all that there are MANY of us who do not share the same political beliefs as Steve and our illustrious “the sky is falling” board member. On mone than one occasion it has been assumed that I am a blue-leaning person because I work for the company when in fact neither I nor quite a number of people see the world through azure tinted glasses. Equally as contrarian, of the couple a dozen people I know well from Dell, they are all as blue as it gets. Go figure….there is alot of diverstiy at both companies
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“I’m tired of being lied to…”
Yes, these past 6 years of one-party rule have resulted in a surfeit unvarnished truth!
I believe the most accurate comment by far is “Smart people use macs regardless of pesornal beliefs.” True, very true. Also, if you notice on the macdailynews (mac users, smarter users) website most posts are well thought out and have something to say. There still are some “Bush is nazi war mongerier arrgggghhhhhh” and “Defeatocrats kill babies and love terriorists argghghhhhhh” but overall its a thought provoking board to read. Thanks Macdailynews posters.
Well this is stupid. I am Repoblican, use Apple, Live in the Alabama where we have a Republican Govener that has brought around more jobs in the last 4 years than the last 3 democrats have. All they did was to get indited for fraud.
I think todays terms are needing new meanings. It used to be a poor man voted for a democrat now they vote for Republicans. All the people that were die hard dems. are now republicans. I have know people run under one and when they do not win run under the other next time.
If my employer does not get tax cuts than I do not get raises, simple as that.
Lets get back to Apple news!
oh yeah…macdailynews.com also needs a spell checker before you post.
most accurate comment so far,
MacDailyNews doesn’t need a spell checker because its very smart readers all use Mac OS X which has a built-in system-wide dictionary/thesaurus and the Mac’s Safari also provides a spell-checker that works just fine in this input box.
If you’re Windows-only or stuck on Windows at work/school due to idiots, you have my sympathy.
You have to be crazy to give money to Democrats, period.
The party for self-destruction, pain, and power-mongers.
If you like freedom, vote Republican.
Look at all the extra freedoms and prosperity people have where liberals have power in this country and the world. Wait, there are none.
I can usually tell those posting from Windows by the spelling mistakes. Mac users, with Mac OS X and Safari, have the proper tools at their disposal. People using Windows are just so behind. Plus, Mac users are generally smarter anyway.
Apple Using Republican,
Your name actually is very appropriate.
Apple is using you (and your cash) to fund the democratic party that will defeat the cons in the upcoming elections. Thanks for helping!
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Charlie, You want to know why Cosco was so blue, The owner/founder/CEO is a radical liberal.
http://www.redvsblue.com
Good to see Costco, who treat their employees, like, well, human beings are in the camp of the good. Wal-Mart, BTW, went 85 % Republican in 2004 so they didn’t miss the list by much. Now if only Costco would carry more Apple products…
I like Apple products and Macintosh computers… oh, I’m sorry, is that off topic around here?
“If you like freedom, vote Republican.”
Yes, freedom to suspend habeas corpus, wiretap without a warrant, and detain you in another country on no charges. Oh, I forgot: freedom to torture!
Of course, forget freedom to conduct stem cell research, control your reproductive rights, or freedom of speech. Or don’t you remember? The Republican party is the party of America = Fundamentalist Christian theocracy.
Apple Using Republican –
You sound more like a Libertarian than a Republican.
It may interest some of you to know that blue used to distinguish Republicans and red the Democrats. It wasn’t until 2000 that the colors were switched, mainly because libs hated the association with communist red, which is as rediculous as saying conservatives don’t want to be associated with Christians.
It is not that hard to see that if a rich company gets a tax break than they have the option to give some of that money away to its employees. I am not poor but I am not rich either. Me and my wife bring in combined $65,000 to $75,000. We live in the south so it is decent. Most of my friends have a combined income of $100,000. All I know is that the company that I worked for I would get a bonus of $4,000 under clinton and when bush got into office each year It went up. I did so well last year that could start my own company.
So all in all I am glad the rich get tax cuts because I have prospered because they did, and you can not argue about that.
It should be the other way around.
Red for dems, lefties and commies.
Blue for true blue, God fearing Americans.
Ron, have you not noticed most of the world find your simplistic view of “commies and lefties” stupid, dumb and arrogant.
As for your “true blue god fearing americans” ideology, most of the world hate that too
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I have been a Mac owners for ~12 years. I am also a strong conservative. So, as I read some of the comments above, albeit most are completely uniformed, I have included four (4) reasons why tax cuts are good. Now I do not want to start a political war but, ladies and gentlemen – facts are facts and these are rather hard to explain away. So do a quick read and then get back to our beloved Macs….
Reason #1. The economy is kicking butt. It is robust, vibrant, strong and growing. In the 36 months since the Bush tax cuts ended the recession that began under President Clinton, the economy has experienced astonishing growth. Over the first half of this year, our economy grew at a strong 4.1 percent annual rate, faster than any other major industrialized nation. This strong economic activity has generated historic revenue growth that has shrunk the deficit. A continued commitment to spending restraint has also contributed to deficit reduction.
Reason #2. Unemployment is almost nil for a major economy, and is verging on full employment. Recently, jobless claims fell to the lowest level in 10 weeks. Employment increased in 48 states over the past 12 months ending in August. Our economy has now added jobs for 37 straight months.
Reason #3. The Dow is hitting record highs. In the past few days, the Dow climbed above 12,000 for the first time in the history of the stock market, thus increasing the value of countless pension and 401(k) that funds many Americans rely on for their retirement years.
Reason #4. Wages have risen dramatically. According to the Washington Post, demand for labor helped drive workers’ average hourly wages, not including those of most managers, up to $16.84 last month — a 4 percent increase from September 2005, the fastest wage growth in more than five years. Nominal wage growth has been 4.1 percent so far this year. This is better or comparable to its 1990s peaks. Over the first half of 2006, employee compensation per hour grew at a 6.3 percent annual rate adjusted for inflation. Real after-tax income has risen a whopping 15 percent since January 2001. Real after-tax income per person has risen by 9 percent since January 2001.
My God!
The utter crap that’s blazoned in the name of either party is stunning. And even more amazing are the wingnuts that believe and subscribe to this tripe — on *both sides*! The bald, ridiculous assumptions; the pandering to the lowest denominator of prejudice! Wake up idiots both red and blue before you destroy what little is left of a once great country!
All I can think is to quote Shakespeare:
A PLAGUE ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!
You better checkthe methods that were used to generate your facts:
#1 “The economy is kicking butt”
Yes, but only for the top 10% of the country. The rest have stagnant wages, lost healthcare (a 10% decline in employers of 200 or less and a 1% decline inthose of over 200).
#2 “Unemployment is almost nil”
Tell that the thousands who ahve been downsized, to those over 50 who can’t find another job, and the furniture, automotive, steel, airline, etc., industries. There have been new jobs – they just don’t cover the numebrs entering the workforce and are *not* high paying jobs.
#3 “The Dow is hitting record highs”
See #1. It’s only for the top 10% or fewer that this makes increasing wealth – and it’s growing at the expense of the lower class.
#4 “Wages have risen dramatically”
Again – check and see where these wages are. Congress has voted itself at least 3 increases since the last time they increased the minimum wage a decade ago.
Just look at the historical data of the Gini index available at the Census Bureau. The distribution on wealth inthe US is now ranked at 46 – this puts on a par with most African nations. The waelth is concentrated in the top 2% of the population. “Trickle down” doesn’t fly – it’s “trickle on” we’re giving the majority of the population.
And I firmly thank the Repub’s fo this situation.
As to the original premise of this thread: Microsoft’s donation to the Repub’s grew exponentially during the 90’s. It paid off pretty well inthe 2000’s: they were convicted of abuse under Clinton, and let off by Bush.
Apples are green and red, not blue.
red and blue states are how the networks choose to graphically show election results on TV. They used to alternate between elections until Florida and the hanging chads.
As a European I would like to point out something that a lot of U.S. Americans, whether Democrats or Republicans, don’t seem to understand.
It’s the religious fundamentalists and over-zealous patriots that are the problem in the world. They are responsible for repression, torture and wars, wherever they are.
The majority of U.S. Americans recognize this truism (and rightly so) in the Muslim world, but make the fatal mistake of not recognizing it in their own country (Bush is a Christian zealot who has started wars and institutionalized torture) or, e.g., Israel, where the Jewish fundamentalists sabotage all attempts at a peace settlement with the Palestinians, and the Palestinian fundamentalists sabotage all attempts at a settlement with Israel.
There are countless other examples.
Religious fundamentalism = evil.
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” (Samual Johnson)
OK Heroin
Time to put the needle down and remove the tourniquet from your neck, cause I’m gonna have to take you to the Woodshed of Reality.
First of all, let me preface by saying I believe liberalism has had good and bad effects on society, and enlightened decent is good for the national discussion. Enlighteded is the key word. If you really want people to respect your opinion, research some facts first.
1)Habeas Corpus is not applicable in time of war to enemies of the state. Please show where this has been suspended for an American not charged with treason.
2)The law giving the President the ability to wiretap was signed by Bill Clinton.
3)When you are captured in battle, it is understood that you are an enemy of our country. That is the charge.
4)The definition of torture is so misused it is impossible to convey what real torture is, permanent physical dissability.
5)Stem cell research is not against any laws. You are sorely mistaken. Compare the funding Bush has provided vs. Clinton. It is simply not allowed to use Federal funding for new strains of EMBRYONIC stem cell research. All else is allowed.
6)There are no restriction on reproductive rights. There are some on the killing of unborn children for people who did NOT control their reproduction.
7)Will someone please give me an example of their freedom of speech being trampled???? I’m begging.
You need to look up theocracy. It is what we are fighting AGAINST!!!
I look forward to any logical replies.
Charles is right.
I’d add another paraphrased bit of wisdom:
Being a super-power corrupts, being the only super-power corrupts absolutely.
This is lame. Nobody should make investments based on their political bend. It makes no sense financially. So if you are a democrat, and purchase the Blue Fund, do you purchase the Red Fund to balance your portfolio? Lame.
WHY DOES EVERYTHING END UP AS PARTISAN BULLSHIT!? I AM GROWING VERY WEARY OF IT!
Ah, I feel better now, whew.
What the USA really needs is a clearout on Capitol Hill. You should all vote out every incumbent standing this November, whatever their party. They’re all so busy with their noses in the trough of corporate cash, they’ve completely forgotten that it’s the American people they’re supposed to be representing.
Send everyone in DC a message and vote for REAL change. Put new people into every position you can, and keep doing it every election until they get the point.
Charles
Please announce your origin. European is too easy.
Not Rick
1) there is no such thing as full employment. We are almost as close as we can get. There has always been, and always will be, a certain percent unemployed. It is lower than than Socialist states.
2)Do you have a milkman or use a cobbler? Have ice delivered? A stable boy? Society has been evolving for quite awhile. If you try to freeze it, you become,well, French.
3)The Dow is at record highs. When has this ever affected the common man? Always. Put down the Manifesto, comrad, and pick up Forbes.
4)I would prefer Congress make enough as to not be inticed to bribery. The minimum wage argument is a sham. Why don’t we set it at $75,000.00? Anyone who expects to support a family on minimum wage is not very motivated.
5)Please show were the court changed its argument against Microsoft when Clinton left.
This is too much. Sometimes it’s fun to read the posts on MDN just to see how people can get so polarized about billion dollar companies(of all things). But to get politics injected into this forum is too much.
Why not garner race and religion info about computer users and draw a line on those too? Are Catholics more likely to use Windows? Will Baptists like Leopard more than Tiger? Do minorities “feel” that Apple represent them better?
Ridiculous….
WOW! It just goes to show you how “polling data” is a bunch of crap. It’s pretty obvious that the smart computer users of both political parties can agree on one thing… Macs are better than PCs, and that it looks like it’s pretty deverse down political lines. What I’d like to know is where the hell does this “data” come from, and who puts it together? I’m really tried of being reduced to a statistic by places like Gallup or whoever by their random collating of B.S.
Shoot… and here I thought there was going to be some interesting Bungie/Apple related action. Puma.. heehee
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As a republican I have no problem making lots of money off democratic companies like Apple. Thanks Steve!
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Not Rick,
Please back up your responses to Rick. Where are you getting that information?
The data comes from liberal owned polling companies backed by the liberal media to try to trick the public into believing that everything’s already decided. These bafoons are proven wrong time and again. Thank God!
What the hell does it matter who the president is and what party he belongs to? For the love of PETE!! Open your damn eye holes and start to think about it. When did the president dictate anything financial in this country…..NEVER! And while we are on the subject, Democrats and Republicans are basically the same thing anyway.
Frankly all the US vs THEM crap makes me sick.
For example I used to have a lot of respect for John McCain until he said that he would rather commit suicide if the Democrats gained power in the house and senate.
Where is these guys loyalties? To their parties or the people they are elected to represent? This guy used to be above that and now since he has got the “fever to be President” he caters to the religious nuts, panders to the neocon base with that remark. He has lost whatever respect I had for him.
I am nauseated by people who can’t see past their parties and only can demonize all those who don’t follow their point of view. In that Bush/Cheney have succeeded finally in one thing. Great record idiots.
Sadly this is not new to American politics, it can be traced even back to Jefferson with his backstabing of Washington and Adams.
While a necessity of sorts I would elect a wet dishrag if it would put the common good and sound judgement above what is good for it’s party, cronnies or loby. Maybe I am just crazy.
Here is Dell’s Mindset… this is an offical dell “viral” video…
bloody idiots.
MDN, please, please, PLEASE try to keep this a politics-free zone. It is *SO* tiresome otherwise
I’m a Republican – Conservative actually, who uses Mac exclusively. I choose to buck the trend and think independantly of the Windows gnomes (demo or repub).
I am into choice and supporting competition, which Apple provides Redmond.
And after all, lower taxes means more money I can spend on my next Apple product! ; )
Apple Using Republican writes:
>> … pro-life, support gun ownership…
What a contradiction – pro life and pro gun.
No wonder America is so %#!@ed up.
You want a true “conservative” republican?
Bring Barry Goldwater back to life.
This current administration doesn’t know the meaning of the word.
“Apple Using Republican”
LMFAO!
In my countrys, using a Dell is like giving a gun to a monkey.
To Granny:
> Not Rick,
> Please back up your responses to Rick. Where are you getting that information?
My data comes from mainly two places and is easily checked:
– Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov
– Census Bureau: http://www.census.gov
Enjoy the search.
In deference to those who come here for Mac tidbits, I won’t post any more politcal statements. (Anyway, it’s useless these days: It’s crystal clear that there will be no dialog, only shouting in the wind.)
@ mike. (“Apple Using Republican” LMFAO!)
I know. It’s like republicans I know who smoke pot and go to Grateful Dead concerts.
Obviously confused!
This stems from the bastardization of the term “conservative”, as it applies to politics.
BTW, where is that dipshit “Mike the Syntax machine? He only corrects posts from “the other side”, I guess. For instance, I see no comment on “Not everything is Red and Blue”‘s post. Why? (He sounds like a hillbilly!).
I’ll tell you why, while professing to be “fair and balanced”, many republicans- are actually unwitting NEOCONS-giving actual CONSERVATIVES a bad name. They appear to suffer from inate inferiority complexes, which accounts for the child-like behavior.
P.S.
I USED to like McCain- until he revealed himself ass the ass-kissing Bush-Pleaser that he is, How does he look himself in the mirror? What a shame.
“Ron, have you not noticed most of the world find your simplistic view of “commies and lefties” stupid, dumb and arrogant.
As for your “true blue god fearing americans” ideology, most of the world hate that too”
who gives a rats behind what the rest of the world thinks. Since when did “the rest of the world” become the authority on what’s best for America. I doubt our economy would be so good if had the retarded socialist governments that most European countries have.
And for those who want to dispute that we’ve got a great economy right now, do some real research and stop getting all your info from MoveOn.org.
No suprise that Googs and Apple lean Blue – but since Reaganomics, of course, big business has leaned Red.
Personally, though I vote Red (mostly), I use Apple (and Google) because quality is colorblind…
As a professional recruiter, the only color I care about is green – I’ll work for any of them. But I do see these political leaning come thru in my dealings with these companies.
I am of the Mac political persuasion. Not only that but do you want to know my religion? It’s…. Mac!
And what am I eating right now?
That’s right.
A Big Mac.
“Democrats sucks as much as reps. what the US needs is a restart,“
In power for decades, the Democrats have never brought this country to its knees as have the Republicans today. In fairness, those people in the white house are not Republicans. And those true Republicans in congress have allowed themselves to be pushed around.
What restart do you speak of? You sound as if you’re running away. Stay involved with topics and issues that are going on in the world. If you find that your values are being corrupted, stand and fight for an ideology, not a person or group. As all men at some point will succome to corruption if not checked.
“However, I doubt the dems will be able to reverse or repair what has been done.“
Well, we better or else. We only have:
– 8.5 trillion dollar deficit caused in great part to Bush’s tax cut for the rich.
– A war in Iraq that has cost the US people about $380 billion dollars at last count. And for all that money spent all we have to show for is a country with a fraction of the infrastructure compared to before the war. No accountability of how the money is spent. Iraq pumping less oil than before the war. And then we have all those Americans that died. Over 2800 dead husbands, fathers, brothers and sons at the last count. And over 20,000 injured Americans. And for what?
– A military that has crisis of man power. Recruitment has been down. The military began lowering their quotas and their recruitment’s are still down. The military has now began a “don’t-tell-me-because-I-don’t-want-to know” policy to get people to join. If our country were faced with a real threat, there would be a military draft
Bloo wrote: “who gives a rats behind what the rest of the world thinks. Since when did “the rest of the world” become the authority on what’s best for America.”
… unlike America’s idea that it’s the authority on what’s best for the rest of the world? Maybe you can understand why the rest of the world doesn’t give a rats behind what the US thinks. Works both ways.
“I USED to like McCain- until he revealed himself ass the ass-kissing Bush-Pleaser that he is, How does he look himself in the mirror? What a shame.”
Yeah, It’s no better than a President getting impeached but not thrown out of office and then the whole Democratic congress goes down to the White House lawn high fives each other afterword.
Yeah McCain what a kiss-ass…
bjr, bjr, bjr,
Looks like I need to take you to the Woodshed of reality now
Where do I start. Look no farther back than the Carter Administration to see a world of woe. High inflation, high interst, high oil prices relative to income, high unemployment, communism advancing in Central America, the Near East, the Middle East, and he boycots the Olympics to show his resolve? The Iran chrisis, Chrysler bankrupt, the military gutted. These were the conditions as I met the world a young man. You have it much, much better.
We don’t have an 8.5 trillion dollar deficit, it is 250 billion. BIG difference.
The tax cuts affected more than just the rich. You’re drunk on MoveOn koolaid.
The war is much too complicated to explain to you as it involves way more than what you have listed. You will understand the implications of what is a stake when you are older. Sorry, that is the best I can do, and I don’t mean that as a slight. Honestly.
I know of several young men and women who have joined the military in the past three years. They would beg to differ with you on moral. God bless them.
Jonk
Your turn:
The North Korean chrisis, AIDS in Africa, the Mother of Tsunamis, earthquakes in Iran, Indonesian aid, funding the U.N.,
Name me something that has happened in your lifetime that America was not expected to solve, help, fix or pay for. And then we have the gall to say how we want to do it?
I know it is not that simple, we do stumble, but we provided military cover to Europe for 50 years so they could spend their money rebuilding and to keep them free from Communism. And I know that theat doesn’t seem real anymore, but it was what consumed almost every action, from trade and commerce to energy and industry, travel and art and literature, to some degree, post WWII.
If you really think we are that hated, wait until the next catastrophe occurs, and see how that hate turns to thanks and admiration, before it turns back to jealousy.
Always Wrong,
You are a disgusting person.
Charles –
I think you are half right when you equate Religious fundamentalism = evil. I would simply say that its fundamentalism in all shades = evil. Its simply that latch on to static values or principles leave no room for compromise – the ‘ my way or the highway’ approach to leadership. Again, either religious or political. And in the case of Bush, ‘where the twain doth meet’….
– Christian, Muslim, Conservative, Communist. Anyone that subscribes to a dogmatic intractable in there beliefs muddles it all for the rest of us. who happen to be more fluid in our Christian, Muslim, or political beliefs.
On thing that diminishes this study: I heard some time back that of all people, Rush Limbaugh is a ardent Mac user. Although I only listened to one or two of his shows (quite enough, thank you) it goes to show that the politics one holds doesn’t determine the computer one uses.
Although the Religio/politico extremist from all ends of the spectrum can’t see it, The world isn’t black or white, it’s 18% gray. And it that we have the extremist on both ends that meld everyone else in the middle.
The universal truth is simple. Everyone want shelter, food, and for their children to prosper- Amazon Warrior, Beduin Camel Herder, to a New York Stock Broker, All can agree to that no matter what social strata they find themselves at.
Always right – “I know. It’s like republicans I know who smoke pot and go to Grateful Dead concerts.
Obviously confused!”
Yeah, musical tastes should always coincide with your political views. With that way of thinking all Democrats must like the Dixie Chicks.
what a jackass
Thanks to all the liberals and Democrats spending hundreds of millions of dollars on gasoline, diesel, and natural gas annually thus enriching Republican-leaning oil and gas exploration and exploitation companies. You realize, of course, that what we Republicans spend on Apple products is chump change compared to what you spend on fossil fuels.
“I support the left, though I’m leaning to the right.”
Have you ever asked someone with a “Will work for…………” for a job? Where does your money come from?
I was a demo when I turned 21 (It was voting age then) I now employ quite a few ppl. Some who make more money than I do.
I also use 99% Macs in my Biz.
Do what’s right. Think.
TowerTone,
your confidence in your first post, I think requires a little checking. You present things as absolute undeniable facts and I think that most of them are very much open to debate.
“Habeas Corpus is not applicable in time of war to enemies of the state. Please show where this has been suspended for an American not charged with treason.”
Only if you also suspend the relevant parts of the US Constitution
“The law giving the President the ability to wiretap was signed by Bill Clinton.”
not quite true, this is what Clinton actually signed:
Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) [50 U.S.C. 1822(a)] of the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance] Act, the Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications required by that section.
I requires that the AG certifies that such a search will not involve a citizen of the United States.
“When you are captured in battle, it is understood that you are an enemy of our country. That is the charge.”
Not true: that is arbitrary, depending entirely on the politics of the situation, and very much open to debate.
“The definition of torture is so misused it is impossible to convey what real torture is, permanent physical dissability.”
From your own Websters Dictionary: Torture: the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
There is no mention anywhere in the following text about it needing to be about “permanent physical disability”
“Stem cell research is not against any laws. You are sorely mistaken. Compare the funding Bush has provided vs. Clinton. It is simply not allowed to use Federal funding for new strains of EMBRYONIC stem cell research. All else is allowed.”
don’t know this issue to well.
“There are no restriction on reproductive rights. There are some on the killing of unborn children for people who did NOT control their reproduction.”
not an absolute fact; there are many levels that can be argued here.
“Will someone please give me an example of their freedom of speech being trampled???? I’m begging.”
7) Freedom of speech ought to include tolerance of views that are not officially sanctioned by a ruling party. If there are people living in America that feel threatened because of what they believe (particularly if the discover that they can have their lines of communication tapped, the premises searched, and according the the USA PATRIOT Act not even be allowed to tell anyone about it) then there has been an incursion on freedom of speech.
TowerTone a logical reply to your post has been presented (I hope), I have tried to remove as much as I could of my own personal opinions, so that the logic can stand on its own, but we’ll see.
MacRepublican and Christy-
get aroom, will ya’?
So ANON, you are PRO-CHOICE?
Hey, where is mike k. “the syntax faggot”.
(I looked it up, mike, you’re “a bunch of sticks”).
MW- “seems”
Seems Rush Limpballs is an expert on MEDICATION!!
BWAAAAAAAHHAAAAAHHHAAAA!
You liberals always try to lump all religions together as the problem. Get a clue. It’s Islam and Muslims these days, period. You all like to bash Rush Limbaugh like he’s the boogie man. All the guy is doing is exposing the liberal media bias, the hypocracy of liberals, and explain to the public what is really going on. He’s right and it drives you libs nuts. I love it.
I love my mac but I’m as Red as they come. Too bad. I stopped listening to the Dixie Chicks, but I don’t think I can give up my MacBook
Dittos to “Apple Using Republican” (oop’s….just used a “Rush-ism”). As a twenty year Apple/Mac user and evangelizer, I can say that the product is the reason for Apple’s success. The political leanings of Apple’s board members, employees and users run the gamut, I’m sure. All the noise here just illustrates that point. “Shut up and Type”
Dittos to “Apple Using Republican” (oop’s….just used a “Rush-ism”). As a twenty year Apple/Mac user and evangelizer, I can say that the product is the reason for Apple’s success. The political leanings of Apple’s board members, employees and users run the gamut, I’m sure. All the noise here just illustrates that point. “Shut up and Type”
Dittos to “Apple Using Republican” (oop’s….just used a “Rush-ism”). As a twenty year Apple/Mac user and evangelizer, I can say that the product is the reason for Apple’s success. The political leanings of Apple’s board members, employees and users run the gamut, I’m sure. All the noise here just illustrates that point. “Shut up and Type”
“Where do I start. Look no farther back than the Carter Administration to see a world of woe. High inflation, high interst, high oil prices relative to income, high unemployment, communism advancing in Central America, the Near East, the Middle East, and he boycots the Olympics to show his resolve? The Iran chrisis, Chrysler bankrupt, the military gutted. These were the conditions as I met the world a young man. You have it much, much better.“
Translation This person refuses to believe anything he deems as negative to his reality and to that end he will change the topic. A part of the inflation problems and other issues of that period of the late 70’s were caused by the rise of oil that in turn was caused by the Iran revolution in ousting the Shaw from Iran. Boycotting the Olympics and bankruptcy which is part of any business, does not threaten world peace. None of these events were set in motion by lies and falsehoods as we have to today. Today, because of the conflict in Iraq and the advancement of weapons, some stupid can cause some real damage. The current administration is only inflaming this situation. This is not the 70’s, it is 2006 and Bush and the Republicans are in charge and things are a mess.
“We don’t have an 8.5 trillion dollar deficit, it is 250 billion. BIG difference.
The tax cuts affected more than just the rich. You’re drunk on MoveOn koolaid‘
Translation The deficit is actually closer to 8.6 trillion but this person will assume everyone is stupid and so he says no, it’s only $250Billion. I’m assuming he gets this number for the deficit for this year which is actually about $300billion. This is down from the projected $425 billion dollar deficit. This is how they can say “we are decreasing the deficit”. He then takes off an extra $50billion because in his world, he can. As a matter of fact, the congress earlier this year raised the deficit ceiling to 9 trillion dollars. If the Republicans are re-elected, we can expect to a see a 10 trillion dollar deficit.
” The war is much too complicated to explain to you as it involves way more than what you have listed. You will understand the implications of what is a stake when you are older. Sorry, that is the best I can do, and I don’t mean that as a slight. Honestly.“
Translation We are dumb children. Incapable of understanding anything so just go about your daily lives and leave all the issues to the adults. I don’t know where you would get the notion that you know my age to say that I’ll understand when I grow up. I know for a fact that you are not physic. You only make this comment, because, it’s all you can say. You cant rebut my commects because they are facts.You have no arguments. You have no facts to back up your delusions.
You place your trust and faith in a man and a political party rather than a cause. You and your kind are just like the president. Bush said in an interview, I’m paraphrasing, ““I find it difficult to tie Iraq to the war on terrorism and 9/11” No, really. That’s because you can’t tie a lie to facts. That’s why they call it a lie, it has no foundation in reality.
McGherkinstein Jones
Sorry for the delay, forgot to check back, and thanks for the reply instead of the junior high schoolgirl rants that are normally thrown back.
On Habeus Corpus, I don’t understand what you mean by “only if you suspend the relevant parts of the constitution”. Sorry. Please clarify.
On wiretapping-
SUBCHAPTER I – ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE
Sec.
1801. Definitions.
1802. Electronic surveillance authorization without court
order; certification by Attorney General; reports to
Congressional committees; transmittal under seal;
duties and compensation of communication common
carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court.
On prisoners-I completely stand by my statement, as everything is open for debate.
ME- “When you are captured in battle, it is understood that you are an enemy of our country. That is the charge.”
YOU-“Not true: that is arbitrary, depending entirely on the politics of the situation, and very much open to debate.”
On torture, I said to convey, not define, but you bring up a good point. The definition says”the act of inflicting excruciating pain”. Would it then be permissible to administer pain medication before the torture and then allow one to see himself disemboweled? A surgeon could easily fix this, however, and it would be pain free. I stand by my original statement of permanent physical dissability.
I appreciate your honesty on stem cell research. Actually, most people DON’T understand it or its implications so they skip the facts and head straight to the heated debate armed only with passion. Pity.
On restrictions of reproductive rights-give me one of the many levels that can be argued.
On freedom of speech-Do YOU feel your rights have been trampled? Do you honestly feel that your conversations are being listened to? This is not a rhetorical question, I really do not understand where someone gets the notion the feds are listening when in fact you are much, MUCH more likely to be listened to by the locals with a court order, because I guarandamtee you that the Feds are more concerned with terrorism than they are with the temptation of listening to pot dealers or tax evaders as this definately would lead to the repeal of parts of the Patriot Act.
Once again, thanks and sorry I took so long.
bjr
I didn’t chnge the topic. Here is what you stated
“In power for decades, the Democrats have never brought this country to its knees as have the Republicans today.”
I simply stated that is was worse under Carter. And world peace, because of Carter’s foreign policy, was very much in danger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_Index_(economic)
National Debt-We were at a higher percent of debt to GDP under Truman than we are today.
Budget deficit-“He then takes off an extra $50billion because in his world, he can.” bjr, I stated 250 billion for a reason.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/06/D8KJ8R2G1.html
“We are dumb children. Incapable of understanding anything so just go about your daily lives and leave all the issues to the adults. I don’t know where you would get the notion that you know my age to say that I’ll understand when I grow up. I know for a fact that you are not physic. You only make this comment, because, it’s all you can say. You cant rebut my commects because they are facts.You have no arguments. You have no facts to back up your delusions.”
I’ll come back to you on the war aspect after I spend the evening out with my girlfriend. This will give you time to climb back up on your soapbox and remind everybody how informed you are.
MW:return, as in “I know you await”
bjr,
Tonetower has got you this time. He answered you back with logic and rationally, while your last reply had rant and narrow minded, especially on your last three points. I also am awaiting for your rational and logical reply (not the defensive, closed minded emotional one). TowerTone has answered you, and others with respect (at more respectfull than what you did).
“Sorry for the delay, forgot to check back”
That’s quite OK, we live on opposite sides of the planet.
“On Habeus Corpus, I don’t understand what you mean by “only if you suspend the relevant parts of the constitution”. Sorry. Please clarify.”
Ahh, OK, it works quite differently here in Australia, but as I understand the US Federal writ, any prisoner can have their imprisonment tested for validity through a court process. This is the basic definition of Habeus Corpus, and it has been broadened and narrowed over the years by successive administrations. You are correct in that it was narrowed somewhat under Clinton. But note that it applies to any prisoner, not just US citizens. There is an Australian in Guantanamo Bay as we write. He had been held in US custody for 2 years before even having charges put to him. Finally they were, but, as was pointed out by Major Michael Mori, among many others, they were bogus and two of them were shown to not even be applicable. Since then, a military tribunal was set up, then dismantled, and a new one formed. David Hicks has now been in prison for 5 years without trial. Anyway, my point was that the US Constitution always applies, regardless of the political state, and would have to be suspended to remove this right.
“When you are captured in battle, it is understood that you are an enemy of our country. That is the charge.”
OK, the main problem with this statement is with how you define “understood” and the justification for “battle”. The justification first. The US, along with others invaded Afghanistan, because it was believed that the Taliban were harbouring Bin Laden (Osama, that is, not the other ones in Saudi Arabia). They all go in, blow up heaps of stuff and take prisoners. Now, can you say for certain that all of those prisoners were supporters of Bin Laden? Were they even fighting for the Taliban, or was it, just the local warlord that wants the rest of Hill 403? On the understood part, it depends who is doing the understanding. Of course the participants of the battle will understand that the people their fighting over the hill are their enemies, but the enemies themselves may have all sorts of priorites above the destruction of the United States, like maybe, living long enough to see the sunrise. Perhaps getting back to their wives and children wherever they are. etc. What I’m trying to say here is that the war in Afghanistan was not two sides marching lock-step into battle, but the invasion of a feudal state, which was nothing more than a loose confederation of warring tribes, with the Taliban holding the upper hand. It is still unknown whether the Taliban even knew the whereabouts of Bin Laden, it was more likely, that he was harboured by some Heroin-growing warlord up in the hills.
Torture: never a good subject. I think we’ll just have to disagree on that one. A common tactic by Australian police, particularly in the 70s was to use a phone book to hit suspects. The beauty of it was that for some reason, phone books do not leave marks or bruises, so a court, or any outside observer, cannot directly tell that the prisoner has been roughed up. The phone book is used to get confessions, or merely for cruelty, and I think its a form of torture.
On restrictions of reproductive rights, we step into dangerous grounds. In Australia abortions are not illegal and are done on the request of the mother-to-be. There is no outside agency saying that the woman cannot have it. There is not even any great public pressure against it. Abortion clinics are not bombed in Australia. Now some of this was instituted because it was safer than using a coat hanger. It is legally understood that the woman herself has the final say. That is her reproductive right. It’s very hard and complicated, but I guess I side with it, but I recognise that there are dangers. Currently, there is no epidemic of abortions in Australia, but there probably are some wrongful ones.
On your last question: no I don’t feel my rights are being trampled on, but then in Australia there is no USA PATRIOT Act or anything remotely like it. Oh the Howard Government tried, and they got some stuff through, but nothing like the sophistication of the USA PATRIOT Act. Evidently, it doesn’t scare you, but it would scare the hell outta me.
McGherkinstein Jones
Thanks for the insightful comments. Here are some words on Habeas Corpus
“Whereas, it has become necessary to call into service not only volunteers but also portions of the militia of the States by draft in order to suppress the insurrection existing in the United States, and disloyal persons are not adequately restrained by the ordinary processes of law from hindering this measure and from giving aid and comfort in various ways to the insurrection;
Now, therefore, be it ordered, first, that during the existing insurrection and as a necessary measure for suppressing the same, all Rebels and Insurgents, their aiders and abettors within the United States, and all persons discouraging volunteer enlistments, resisting militia drafts, or guilty of any disloyal practice, affording aid and comfort to Rebels against the authority of United States, shall be subject to martial law and liable to trial and punishment by Courts Martial or Military Commission:
Second. That the Writ of Habeas Corpus is suspended in respect to all persons arrested, or who are now, or hereafter during the rebellion shall be, imprisoned in any fort, camp, arsenal, military prison, or other place of confinement by any military authority of by the sentence of any Court Martial or Military Commission.”
These words were written by one of the shining stars of the Republican Party, Abraham Lincoln. I use them not to confuse our present predicament with that of our greatest national tragedy, but to illustrate we can as a nation change laws temporarily for national good and then reverse them when conditions warrant, because as a nation, we demand it. These were also suspended to a degree in WWI and WWII.
Article 118, Geneva Convention-Art. 118. The courts or authorities shall in passing sentence take as far as possible into account the fact that the defendant is not a national of the Detaining Power. They shall be free to reduce the penalty prescribed for the offence with which the internee is charged and shall not be obliged, to this end, to apply the minimum sentence prescribed.
While Habeas Corpus does apply to anyone in the US, citizen or visitor, pertaining to crime and punishment, it does not apply to prisoners of war. This is a whole different ball of wax, whatever that means, in that a country cannot be reasonably expected to afford a trial by jury to each person captured during wartime. This has never been the rule, and it can never be expected. I understand the extenuating circumstances in this particular war, and a review by tribunal is personally applauded, but a demand on our government to extend to the forces bent on destroying it the constitutional privilages that we are trying to bestow upon them to begin with is asinine, and as we say in Texas, they can kiss my lily white ass.
On the assertion that many captured are mere innocents caught in the crossfire, we should be able to agree that no war has ever been fought that fairness was extended to all that participated, no matter what call to arms they answered. That is a true and painfully unavoidable aspect of war. The fact is that our government is charged with the protection of the United States of America first and foremost, no questions, and the rights of those who are disposed to its destruction, or appearance of, are a distant second. I’m sorry for your countryman. We have lost many.
Also, I am sorry that I have used all the time that I can afford right now. I will try to cover the other topics shortly.
MW:distance, as in “The Distance Between You and Me”, Dwight Yoakam
Liberals suck donkey meat!
Those who liken Liberals to commies, clearly haven’t met any real communists
Politics have nothing to do with a companies growth unless it benfits the company and involves kickbacks to both parties in congress. The growth of apple computer during the Bush Administration compared to the decline during the Clinton Administration has nothing to do with politics. The reason dell gained market share during the Clinton Regime along with these idots who write about nothing that was stated in this article, who share communist views) is because dell inovated while apple didn’t. Apple is benefiting for one reason and one reason only, the decline of the Gates Empire. Apple can give all the money they want to the dumbocrats they want, along with google and starbucks. Your just upset because Republicans get more money. You would get more money if you were not a bunch of cry baby communists who hate america.
…and the above is a prime example!
according to Andres, Democrats=”a bunch of cry baby communists who hate america”
he must froth at the mouth while he talks
I would like to mention that there have been many whose wealth came from buissness that have been quite liberal if not outright leftists. Modern examples include Ted Kennedy, Jay Rockefeller and Ned Lamont. Armand Hammer, founder of Occiential Petrolium, was a personal friend of Lenin and a major supporter of Al Gore Sr. I remember Lee Iacocca being mentioned as a possible Democratic nominee for President. Further back, I would include Henery Ford. He funded an unsuccessful “Peace Cruse” to end the Great War before the US got into WWII. The Ford Foundation has been a very left leaning organization. I suspect that most of the executives in the entertainment industry are rather left of center. Many in the financial services find government activities, such as issuing bonds, contribute to their employment. Many top executives have been educated in such bastions of conservatism as Stanford, Harverd and Yale. If big buisness were ideologicaly conserative, National Review would sport much more advertising.
It seems to me that corporate political donations are a great way to lose customers.
If companies really need to give money away, why not give it to credible charities and foundations that benefit people in real need?
Surely organizations like the Red Cross and the Salvation Army (among many, many others) could use it more than the political slimebags.
Wow, CRAIGSTER.
Very insightful comment.
That always right character is really creepy!
France, China, and Russia support Terrorism, Iran, and N. Korea. Liberal Eurotrash follows like sheep.
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