“Presidential candidates are touting widespread broadband as a boost for employment and rural education, but a close look at financial interests suggests tech policy may also be a campaign paycheck. Candidates for both of the major political parties are drawing contributions from the technology industry, and from communications firms in particular. But the proportion differs,” Emily Kumler reports for Medill News Service.
“Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts says universal broadband access is necessary for the country to rebuild its tech sector and increase employment in high tech industry. As of mid-June, 38 percent of the $2,415,894 Kerry has received from his top 20 donors has come from contributors with a strong interest in the technology sector, according to data collected by the Center for Responsive Politics,” Kumler reports.
“Meanwhile, 5 percent of the $5,886,487 provided by the top 20 contributors to the incumbent Republican candidate, President George Bush, comes from tech companies or lobbyists. The majority of Bush’s top contributors are financial firms that may have investments in the technology sector but are not directly acting on tech firms’ behalf. Another 5 percent, or $3,332,700, of Bush’s total contributions grouped by business sector came from the communications and electronics industry. At nearly $3.8 million, donations to the Kerry campaign from the communications and electronics industry nearly matched Bush’s, but they account for 9 percent of Kerry’s total donations,” Kumler reports. “Bush says broadband will facilitate a classroom in every living room, giving the most remote citizen access to a wealth of information and opportunity. The president has set the goal but has not outlined its execution other than imploring Congress to permanently ban Internet taxes.”
Full article here.
Related MacDailyNews articles:
Star-studded list of tech execs to endorse President Bush for another term – May 18, 2004
Apple CEO Steve Jobs advising presidential candiate Kerry on economic issues – May 01, 2004
President Bush calls for ban on broadband Internet tax – April 26, 2004
President George W. Bush calls for universal broadband by 2007 – March 29, 2004
The Mac is Bush to Windows’ Clinton – October 25, 2002
Don’t forget Steve Job’s came on board to help Kerry. Tech sector has a big say in this Election
Yeah, but Kerry doesn’t use a computer, and his staff is all Windows. George Bush uses a Mac.
“Tech sectors has abig say in this Election.”
What a maroon.
>>Yeah, but Kerry doesn’t use a computer, and his staff is all Windows. George Bush uses a Mac.
Yeah, now we know that Macs are foolproof.
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hagar57. LOL!!!!
yeah, and the Segway is crashproof, too…
And the winner is … big business. And why not? They pay for it. Anyway, the relevant question here is: “Which is the Mac candidate? At least now I can complete the 4th P to what drives broadband [pornography, piracy, patches, and politics].
Re: “Yeah, now we know that Macs are foolproof”
OK, so George Bush, who is portrayed by some as a fool, makes the correct computer choice.
And Kerry, who is portrayed as being heaven sent by some, does not use a computer, but does have a Windows staff, and I am sure he is probably not even aware of it one way or the other.
hmmm, anyone see a pattern here?
“George Bush uses a Mac”
Yeah, he was also photographed with a fake Turkey in Iraq.
That’s where I come in.
Bush uses a Mac? I seem to remember this discussion before, and this association was made from a single photo.
In which, completely by coincidence, Bush found himself sitting at/near a Mac at the time the photo was taken.
Unless someone knows something else that I don’t…
Just trying to keep the facts straight (c:
I’m George Dubya Bush and I approve this commercial.
George Dubya Bush is not portrayed as stupid any more than Bill Clinton was portrayed as cheating on his wife. They are both accurate statements.
…and don’t give me that crap about his grades at Yale. The boy was pushed through by the system. Don’t tell me you don’t know dumb people with college degrees.
Dubya is an example of privilege. He was born on third base and truly believes he hit a triple.
GW has failed at everything his father has excelled in, from being a war hero to running a big business. The trend suggests he is doing a spectacular job of doing that again at the expense of this country.
Here we go again. You liberal, tree hugger, terrorist lovers are absolutely out of your minds. Keep blubbering away. You’re wrong and you only look more foolish every day and every time you open your mouths. You people are SICK!!!!!!!
I have to agree with Jayson. These poor soles are misdirected. George Bush is a saint. He will save the civilzed world from these terrorist mad men. I for one am very glad that he is taking the fight to them in their back yards. Bless George Bush.
GWB rocks! Let’s keep kicking terrorist butt!!!!!!!
Why is it that it’s always the same euro-trash bashing George Bush. Pretty obvious jealous pattern going on here.
I’m George W Bush and I approve this war and we shall call it Operation Iraqi Liberation (oh wait that turns into O.I.L), then I mean this war to show I can do more than my daddy (wait, I can’t say that! Thats the real reason!), I mean war for weapons of mass destruction (oh none of those were found?), then I mean a war because Iraq was allied with Al Queda (oh they weren’t?), then I mean a war to liberate the Iraqi people and we will torture and humiliate them to do it!
I also approve tax cuts for all my rich friends and myself which we will pay for by cutting programs that benefit people who are not rich. We will dupe them into accepting it by giving them small tax breaks too.
I also approve pulling out of the Kyoto accord and allowing big business to start polluting as they see fit because more than anything else I stand for Freedom!
to the person posing as George Bush,
you are ridiculous! most likely a jealous european.
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Randolph. I am American and I think George Bush sucks air. Your comment about europeans bashing him just serves to illustrate rather convincingly that dubya has done more to more to alienate the international community than any previous president. Why do you think that is? Please tell me why you think dubya has pissed off the world so much. And I don’t think jealousy will cut it since they could have been just as jealous at anytime previously (maybe more) and they were not this angry or this overtly against any other previous president.
Yeah, and it’s gonna be us “Europeans” that vote the asshole out in November. Like father like son – one bad term only.
Chucky and Racheal you are either teenagers or intellectual bottom feeders.
If ANY of you are stupid enough to vote for Bush cause he uses a Mac, then Dear God help us all.
Would Hitler be a bad guy if he used a Mac?
Damn you make me embarrassed to be a Map lover if you are my company.
I’m a map lover too. But I think you meant Mac lover?
Hitler isn’t a bad guy, he is dead. He was a bad guy. I did read he changed from the dark side to light though, and will be working out his karma for a while. Still, look at all the good that came from the holocaust – never again!
jack ass, the false, etc.,
the europeans could not stand Ronald Reagan. The eurofreaks and rest of world hate him because he is not a pussy like them and you. they are jealous and hate the fact that the good old USA is protecting their smelly asses again. the absolute best thing we can do is blow these disgusting terrorists off this planet on their own turf. they attacked us first. We will finish the job. Kerry has no chance of winning the election. Although our commie, nut case news papers will lie, cheat, and do anything possible to hurt him. If a Kerry type does come back to power watch out. We’ll be in for serious trouble. A Clinton heckler said it best, “If Osama was a woman Clinton would have nailed it”. Completely democrats fault that 9/11 happened. You idiots that want them back in power are only asking for major problems. Up yours!
Check it out lightweights!
Subject: Revised Democratic Convention Schedule
>
> AGENDA
> 6:00pm – Opening flag burning ceremony.
> 6:00pm – Opening secular prayers by Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton.
> 6:30pm – Antiwar concert by Barbara Streisand.
> 6:40pm – Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
> 7:00pm – Tribute theme to France.
> 7:10pm – Collect offerings for al-Zawahri defense fund.
> 7:25pm� – Tribute theme to Germany.
> 7:45pm – Antiwar rally (Moderated by Michael� Moore)
> 8:25pm – Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
> 8:30pm – Terrorist appeasement workshop.
> 9:00pm – Gay marriage ceremony (both male and female couples)
>
> 9:30pm – * Intermission *
>
> 10:00pm – Posting the Iraqi� Colors by Sean Penn and Tim Robbins
> 10:10pm – Reenactment of Kerry’s fake medal toss.
> 10:20pm – Cameo by Dean ‘Yeeearrrrrrrg!’
> 10:30pm – Abortion demonstration by N.A.R.A.L.
> 10:40pm – Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
> 10:50pm – Pledge of allegiance to the UN.
> 11:00pm – Multiple gay marriage ceremony (threesomes, mixed and same sex).
> 11:15pm – Maximizing Welfare workshop.
> 11:30pm – ‘Free Saddam’ pep rally.
> 11:59pm – Ted Kennedy proposes a toast.
> 12:00pm – Nomination of democratic candidate.
>
> Any chance we could get Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home from the convention?
> The Kerry folks asked the local priest to mention in his homily that Kerry is
> a saint.
>
> The priest, a devout Catholic, began his homily by saying,
>
> “John Kerry is a crook. John Kerry is a liar. John Kerry is a fraud. John
> Kerry is an adulterer. John Kerry is one of the worst Catholics I have ever met.
> But – compared to Ted Kennedy – He’s a saint!”
Hmmm, so because Germany and France were on Saddam’s payroll, we should be surprised they didn’t approve actually DOING anything about him? They seemed to enjoy SAYING bad things about him, but when it came to backing up those words, they opposed it.
Come on, we all know the slogan goes: “No war, for oil.” Germany, France, and Russia had lucrative deals with Saddam and he owed them money. Their view was “Screw safety for our people and the Iraqis. We’re getting rich off this guy.”
And Kerry is not privileged? Give me a break.
Hey Jay Rice,
Thanks for the post. I love right wingers like you who reveal their true nature.
MD
Republican conention schedule:
6:00 PM Opening Prayer led by the Reverend Jerry Falwell
�� 6:30 PM Pledge of Allegiance
�� 6:35 PM Burning of Bill of Rights (excluding 2nd Amendment)
�� 6:45 PM Salute to the Coalition of the Willing
�� 6:46 PM Seminar #1: Getting Your Kid a Military Deferment
�� 7:30 PM First Presidential Beer Bong
�� 7:35 PM Freedom Fries served
�� 7:40 PM EPA Address #1: Mercury: It’s What’s for Dinner
�� 8:00 PM Vote on which country to invade next
�� 8:10 PM Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh
�� 8:15 PM John Ashcroft Lecture: The Homos Are After Your Children
�� 8:30 PM Round table discussion on reproductive rights (men only)
�� 8:50 PM Seminar #2: Corporations: The Government of the Future
�� 9:00 PM Condi Rice sings “Can’t Help Lovin’ Dat Man”
�� 9:05 PM Second Presidential Beer Bong
�� 9:10 PM EPA Address #2: Trees: The Real Cause of Forest Fires
�� 9:30 PM break for secret meetings
�� 10:00 PM Second Prayer led by Cal Thomas
�� 10:15 PM Carl Rove Lecture: Doublespeak Made Simple
�� 10:30 PM Rumsfeld Lecture/Demonstration: How to Squint and Talk Macho
Even When You Feel Squishy Inside
�� 10:35 PM Bush demonstration of trademark “deer in headlights” stare
�� 10:40 PM John Ashcroft Demonstration: New Mandatory Kevlar Chastity
Belt
�� 10:45 PM Clarence Thomas reads list of black Republicans
�� 10:46 PM Third Presidential Beer Bong
�� 10:50 PM Seminar #3: Education: A Drain on Our Nation’s Economy
�� 11:10 PM Hilary Clinton Pi�ata
�� 11:20 PM John Ashcroft Lecture: Evolutionists: A Dangerous New Cult
�� 11:30 PM Call EMTs to revive Rush Limbaugh again
�� 11:35 PM Blame Clinton
�� 11:40 PM Laura serves milk and cookies
�� 11:50 PM Closing Prayer led by Jesus Himself
�� 12:00 PM Nomination of George W. Bush as Holy Supreme Planetary
Overlord
that “Tootsie” picture of Kerry’s wife is freakin hilarious! That’s a good one
=]
Upon further consideration…….
Hey name calling, insult throwing right wingers!
Can you offer knowledgable, logical and thougtful answers to the following points?
1. The ultimate example of “activist judges” sits in the White House.
2. Corporations do indeed run the country.
3. Monopolies are allowed to flourish…Micro$oft anyone?
4. Call me a “blame America firster”, but will you state unequivocably that the USA is innocent and unblameable on any issue whatsoever ?
5. Name one beneficial outcome that Nationalism has ever produced.
Thank you
MD
So Krioni, you are saying that the US was paying France and Germany? Sure that is what you are saying. Reagan’s wonderful administration, the one that Gay Lice speaks so highly of, was arming Saddam and giving him money. That money in turn was spent on France and Germany.
Yeah, that Reagan was a good president. They are now talking about putting him on money. I propose a new half-cent coin for him. It’s worthless. We can make it out of shit. Then the Republicans can spread their shit around even more. We could call Rush “The Banker” as he spreads more conservative shit than anyone on the earth.
Oh, the one about Ted driving home Hillary is funny. Or maybe we could just have Laura Bush driving drunk and run another stop sign and kill her that way. You conservative holes forget that story, don’t ya’?
I love being a European.
order of events:
USA supports and gives Saddam Huessein the keys to Detroit (true!)
USA (with the help of the Carlyle group) agrees to back Saudi Arabia as their national defense.
Kuwait Salnt drills into Iraq, effectively stealing their oil
Iraq invades Kuwait
Saudi Arabia calls on our promise, as they feel threatened by Iraq
USA launches Operation Desert Shield
interesting stuff…
Kuwait SLANT drills, sorry for the typo
My, my… a nation divided along ideological and religious lines … how pathetic … airing your dirty laundry in public. Reagan and Clinton were great; G_Dubya is in another league. You get what you deserve, I guess, and in the last election the low standards of education caught up with you. You couldn’t even count votes and treated the world to ludicrous scenes of hanging chad. You took a hard line and made yourself a target of dummy terrorists you couldn’t stop because the CIA wouldn’t play ball with the FBI. You couldn’t get Osama so you took out Saddam, a tyrant, si senyor, but there are tyrants all over the world. You spent billions and billions on a war. No WMD? No problemo, it’s a war of liberation. Except the freed want you out; especially after you showed the world disgraceful pictures of how you ignored the Geneva Convention. You confuse church with state. You have laws of prohibition that don’t work. You have gun crimes worthy of a banana republic. Your unfunded liabilities are staggering. Your health system is a joke. Well… election time is approaching… and what are you talkin’ about? Ideology and religion!
Nothin’ like some outside criticism to stir up some unity, say?
Oh Canada! At least our Prime Ministers just loose, misplace, give away and steal our tax dollars. No torturers or baby killers here.
Bush’s tax breaks heavily favor the rich.
Bush’s record on the environment is deplorable.
Bush took a suplus and made it into a record deficit.
Bush has taken more vacation than any other president in history.
Bush was warned but did nothing pre-9/11 (in fact he was on vacation)
Bush’s actions took the stongest Pro America sentiment ever seen and within two years resulted the largest Anti US president international demonstrations the world has ever seen.
Bush ignored the Geneva Convention and American Civil rights and US soldiers under his command performed acts of degradation and torture on prisoners. IMHO this has done more to generate new terrorists than any of his other actions has eliminated.
ANYBODY BUT BUSH IN 2004. He is bad news for America.
I can’t understand why some guys keep thinking that bush is a “sort of a man”. He is more like a monkey. The only difference is that a monkey can ride a segway… His speeches without “a paper in front of his eyes” are hilarious. Thanks for keep amusing the world with your clowny way Mr Bush!
Bush might get re-elected based on entertainment value. People love drama, and Bush has been providing that along with lots of comic relief. Vote for Bush and you will have no shortage of drama and violence! Just like a good TV show!
LONG JOKE, but good:
While walking down the street one day, George
“Dubya” Bush is shot� by a disgruntled NRA member. His soul arrives in heaven and he is met
by St.Peter at the Pearly Gates.
�Welcome to Heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you
settle in, it seems� there is a problem: We seldom see a Republican around these parts,�
“No problem, just let me in; I’m a believer.” says
Dubya.
“I’d like to just let you in, but I have orders from
the Man Himself: He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must
choose where you’ll live for eternity.
“But, I’ve already made up my mind; I want to be in
Heaven.”
“I’m sorry, but we have our rules.” And with that,
St. Peter escorts�him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell.
The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of� lush golf�course;� the sun is shining in a�cloudless sky, the temperature a perfect 72 degrees.
In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse. Standing
in front of it is his dad…and thousands of other Republicans who had helped him out over�the
years: Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Jerry Falwell…. The whole of the”Right”�was there…everyone laughing…happy…. casually but expensively
dressed.
If you vote Kerry you support Terrorists.
They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times�they had getting rich at expense of the “suckers and peasants”. They play a friendly�game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.
The Devil himself comes up to Bush with a frosty
drink, “Have a�Margarita and relax, Dubya!”.
“Uh, I can’t drink no more, I took a pledge,” says Junior, dejectedly.
“This is Hell, son: you can drink and eat all you
want and not worry, and it just gets better from there!”
Dubya takes the drink and finds himself liking the
Devil, who he thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes and pulls hilarious nasty
pranks, kind of like a Yale Skull and Bones brother
with real horns.
They are having such a great time that, before he
realizes it, it’s time to�go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Bush steps on the elevator
and heads upward. When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter
is waiting for him. “Now it’s time to visit Heaven,”
the old man says, opening the gate.
So for 24 hours Bush is made to hang out with a
bunch of honest, good-natured people who enjoy each other’s company, talk about things other
than money, and treat each other decently. Not a
nasty prank or frat boy joke among them; no fancy country clubs and, while the food tastes great,� it’s not caviar or lobster. And these people are all
poor, he doesn’t see anybody he knows, and he isn’t even treated like someone special!
Worst of all, to Dubya, Jesus turns out to be some
kind of Jewish hippie�with his endless ‘peace’ and ‘do unto others’ jive.
“Whoa,” he says uncomfortably to�himself, “Pat Robertson never prepared me for this!”
The day done, St. Peter returns and says, “Well,
then, you’ve spent�a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live
for eternity.”
With the ‘Jeopardy’ theme playing softly in the
background, Dubya�reflects for a minute, then answers: “Well, I would never have� thought I’d say this-I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all-but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends.”
So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he
goes down,down, down, all�the way to Hell.� The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren scorched�earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste.. kind of�like Houston. He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in
rags�and chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black�bags.
They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and
hands black with grime.�
The Devil comes over to Dubya and puts an arm around his shoulder.�”I don’t understand,” stammers a shocked Dubya, “Yesterday I was
here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and we ate�lobster and caviar… drank booze. We screwed around and had a great�time.�Now there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!”
The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs,
“Yesterday we were�campaigning; today you voted for us.”
I have some sympathy for Bush. He thought he had the world in his hands; lots of campaign funds and supporters — big supporters from his dad’s era. Piece of cake … how can anything go wrong? Well, his comfort level is way down. Nobody told him it could be this tough. Truth is, Bush is no more responsible for the war than Reagan responsible for the demise of the Soviet Union (I always LOL when I hear the latter pearl of common wisdom). Superficially, it only looks that way. And superficially isnot the way you should choose a leader.
wow Skully, you sure are smart. Kerry supports terrorsits. thanks for the heads up! I don’t even care how you arrived at that conclusion, or wether you’re smart enough to even understand how you came to that conclusion. I’ll just take it at face value. Thanks!
It will be so nice on Nov 3 when all you dumb asses who voted for Kerry and hated Bush this whole lose. All that wasted energy, you could have used that energy to get a life, and realize only the more savage nation will survive. Kill or be killed.
so when are you going to commit murder skully?
We are at WAR, they are killing us, so we have to kill them. I don’t see how Spank-It can say defending your nation is murder.
“wow Skully, you sure are smart. Kerry supports terrorsits. thanks for the heads up! I don’t even care how you arrived at that conclusion, or wether you’re smart enough to even understand how you came to that conclusion. I’ll just take it at face value. Thanks!”
You liberals say the same think about Bush all the time. And you guys go crazy for it, making t-shirts and stickers. So don’t pull this “wether you’re smart enough” crap with me. I know I’m on the right side. I know how to be a MAN a stand up and defend what is right.
Ok, Mr G-Spank (the smartest man in the world), if Al Gore would have won in 2000, and 9-11 still happened, and we went to war in Afganistan and he also went after Iraq, would you still be saying this war is murder.
I would be supporting Gore, becuase he is defending the USA.
I’m not gonna go into it skully, but i didn’t say war was murder. Anyway, I shouldn’t have jumped at the bait you threw out there saying Kerry supports terrorists. Right then and there I should have said to myself “this guy is retarded” and not responded. But i did, and am now paying the price – arguing with a retard. I realize my mistake, and thats that.
Did I read correctly that SKULLY thinks we should be the most savage nation on earth? I can see why he supports Bush.
They fight, They Bite
They Fight Fight Fight Bite Bite
Fight, Fight, Fight, Bite, Bite, Bite
Its The Bush and Kerry Supporter Show
Heads up MDN. PowerPC roadmap on AppleInsider. This topic here has run out of legs.
The US should turn the heat up much higher on these terrorists. You liberal foreign freaks and US liberals can shiver in the shadows and hope the boogie man doesn’t find you. We are at war. We were attacked and would have continued to be attacked weather we apologized for being attacked as you idiots would like us to or nuked them. I say nuke em. They’re going to nuke us as soon as they get their slimy hands on one. Weather we had attacked or done nothing. Let’s wipe em out. You can thank us later tools.
June 22, 2004 — HOURS after Paul Johnson’s decapitated body was shown Friday in Riyadh, Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef bin Abdul-Aziz announced that government forces had killed the man responsible for the murder, Abdul-Aziz al-Mouqrin, and two of his accomplices.
“This crime was committed by a handful of deviants,” the prince said.
A few deviants? Hardly.
The tragedy that struck Johnson is the product of a culture of hatred, arrogance and cruelty built over decades by the Saudi society.
If I’m a retard, than how could I be so smart to bait you. Doesn’t that take intelligence. G-Spank, my point was that everyone is so gung ho on saying bad Bush is. On the surface Bush doesn’t seem to have the charm and well spoken manner Clinton did. But that is why I like Bush he says what he is going to do. And if he has made this nation less safe by having him in office, the nation will decide that in November. The name calling we say toward each other will not decide the election and it certainly won’t change a voters mind when they are at the ballot, only their beliefs, and judgement will decide who they vote for. Let history decide if Bush was the wrong guy at the wrong time in history. I don’t believe a word a politician says, I believe in what I see them do. I don’t want war but they choice was taken from us on 9-11. Do I want to see innocent people die, of course not. Do I wish to see children with out parents or parents without children, NO, no matter what nation they are from. That is not what life is about. But the terriosts F#@KS never gave the world a choice in that matter.
To be sure, this does not mean that all Saudis think or would, if given the opportunity, behave as the killers did. But there is no escaping the fact that they do bear part of the responsibility, if only by providing the socio-cultural topos in which terrorism thrives.
Until recently, Saudi textbooks taught schoolchildren to regard non-Muslims as sub-humans who did not deserve the same respect due to “true believers,” that is to say the followers of the officially approved Hanbali brand of Islam.
For decades, Saudi society has been obsessed with what could only be described as religious exhibitionism.
The nouveaux riches have tried to secure a place in the next world by building mosques, some 4,000 in Riyadh alone, and by contributing to so-called “Islamic causes.”
What can only be described as a “religion industry” employs more muftis, preachers, teachers, enforcers, muezzins and theologians than the oil industry that produces 80 percent of the nation’s income. Saudi universities churn out more “religious scholars” each year than doctors and engineers.
I agree with Jay, let’s nuke everyone!!! After three million years, it’s time for another species to take over the planet anyway.
The state has spent an estimated $100 billion on “Islamic” causes since the mid ’70s. No doubt part of the money went to humanitarian causes and the financing of development projects in the poorer Muslim countries. But there is also no doubt that vast sums of money were funneled to radical organizations that believe they have a mission to conquer the world for Islam through terrorism and war.
Today, the Saudi authorities insist that no more government money is going to terrorist groups. This may be true. After all, the Saudi rulers now realize that the ultimate aim of the monster they helped create is to devour them. But what about wealthy Saudi individuals who, either to buy personal protection or because they wish the ruling family to be overthrown, continue to fund the terrorists?
The problem goes beyond textbooks and ready money for terror. The average Saudi citizen is subjected to systematic Islamist brainwashing.
Let us just cite one example, immediately relevant to Johnson’s murder.
The group that beheaded Johnson calls itself “The Fallujah Brigade,” named after the Iraqi city which was the scene of a brief insurgency a few weeks ago.
The Arab media, especially the satellite TV channels, presented the Fallujah insurgency as “one of the greatest battles the Arabs have ever waged against the Crusaders,” as an editorial in the daily Al-Arab claimed.
The fact that the Arabs had hardly played a role in the historic Crusades (which were largely fought by Turks, Kurds and the Mamelukes) did not prevent the propagandists from exaggerating the “Epic of Fallujah” far beyond an understandable degree of hype.
Dominated by pan-Arabists and Islamists, the Arab media claimed that the United States had deployed “all its military might” to conquer Fallujah and had failed. The “heroes of Fallujah” fought like lions and, supported by non-combatants, including women and children (who died in thousands), succeeded in winning “a spectacular victory,” thus “saving Arab honor.”
More than a dozen Arab poets have already committed odes and sonnets to commemorate Fallujah as “the Arab Stalingrad.” One Syrian composer is working on an opera about “the heroes of Fallujah,” while a couple of Egyptian hacks are breaking their typewriters to produce scripts for a film and a TV series on this latest of imaginary Arab victories.
The phrase “the Fallujah butchery” has been hammered into the Arab consciousness to justify an almost pathological hatred of the United States as a power responsible for “many thousands of civilian deaths.”
The beheading of Paul Johnson, therefore, is presented as an act of revenge for deaths that, in fact, never happened.
What is interesting is that the satellite channels that peddled those lies are all owned by Arab governments (including the Saudi one) or individuals related to the ruling families.
The average Arab, including the average Saudi, was never allowed to know what actually happened in Fallujah. The few who tried to offer an accurate account were relieved of their positions or denied a chance to offer their take.
One account that never found an echo in the Arab satellite TV was provided by the Red Crescent (the equivalent of the Red Cross) of the United Arab Emirates whose representatives were present in Fallujah (where the group has a hospital) throughout the insurgency.
Here is part of the UAE Red Crescent’s version as related by Muhammad Salim al-Harthi from Abu Dhabi:
“The Arab media have wildly exaggerated what happened at Fallujah. The fighting concerned only a few districts [of the town]. There never was any fighting on a big scale. There certainly was no clash involving thousands of the town’s inhabitants. The number of those who died did not exceed 270, almost all fighters, not civilians. The resistance (i.e. the insurgency) was made up of former [Iraqi army] officers with a small number of [non-Iraq] Arabs representing Salafist [i.e. radical Islamist] groups.”
Why would the Arab states allow their media to build a deadly myth to foment hatred and incite violence? They hope that by diverting hatred from themselves to the United States, they might escape being targeted by the terrorists.
That, of course, is a forlorn hope. Those who beheaded Johnson would, when the time comes, also behead the Arab ruling elites, including those who’ve turned the Arab media into a myth-making machine.
Paul Johnson was killed by lies spread by Arab elites. He was killed by those who wrote those textbooks and those who taught them for decades.
He was killed by the sheiks who finance Arab television, and by the anchormen and women who, with tones of false emotion in their voices, told all those lies about Fallujah � just as they have been telling lies about other conflicts involving the Arabs for decades.
He was killed by the over 1,500 Arab lawyers who have volunteered to defend Saddam Hussein but were nowhere to be seen when he was engaged in genocide against the Iraqi people.
Johnson was killed by the wealthy Arabs who continue to finance the terror organizations.
To say that killing Johnson was wrong would mean accepting that he, though not a Muslim, was a full human being with an equal right to live. And that is the huge historic, indeed doctrinal, leap that Islam must take before it can contain and defeat the terrorists who are trying to change it beyond recognition.
The U.S. ambassador in Riyadh, James Oberwetter, has called on the Saudi government to “bring Paul Johnson’s murderers to account.” The ambassador may not know it, but his demand involves a whole culture and millions of its human products, who must be brought to account if they are to be ultimately rescued from the inferno of lies, hatred and terror that is wrecking their lives as well.
“Tech sectors has abig say in this Election.”
What a maroon. – Poontang
Are you sure you are not the moron? We know that the next election in the US will use electronic voting, designed by Diebold. And the Diebold CEO publically said that he wanted to deliver the November election to Bush. Coupled with all the security holes, the lack of paper trail, the refusal to acknowledge problems, the politicking and the relative ease to change the election results in trials, you can draw your own conclusion.
FRIG the frogs. Screway les Fran�ais. If not for us France � a countrylet that can’t pronounce the word “loyalty” � would be a suburb of Germany.
I realize this emotionally misdirected anger should be at those sickos who committed last week’s unspeakable atrocity against another American. And it should be at the Saudis, who have their fingers into everything but Al Qaeda. And that ought to give you a clue as to where the Saudis should really stick their fingers. And that includes their Washington ambassador, oily Prince Bandar, who’s so tight in high places that he does drop-in potluck dinners at the White House.
But with no way to handle our enemies in the Middle East, I have to tear at those pigs in Europe who call themselves “friends.” With friends like them who needs enemies.
I was just in France. Three days. Personal reasons. I house-guested, I bought nothing, I flew an American carrier. I did not nourish their economy. I was there when news of this horror hit us. While human beings globally were numbed, around the South of France? Only another day at an outdoor caf�.
Nothing changed with these ungrateful behinds which our country has saved in war after war. At the Hotel du Cap a maitre in snowy white suit bowed to maestro James Levine who, in shorts, was helping himself to the luncheon buffet. A pair of locals lazily pointed out Aujourdhui Villa, the seaside mansion that once belonged to movie mogul Jack Warner. “Even after he died his man servant kept his favorite clothes out and ready,” they said. A driver showed the house in Mougin where Picasso had lived.
Me, I was glued to the phone. Obsessed about the tragedy, I kept calling New York. Nobody, nothing, not a word, zippo, zero from the French. It did not dominate their TV. The Paris Herald Tribune did not position it as their lead story. It was not conversation around the local coffee bars. I wondered, was I losing my mind?
Amirtaheri a link would suffice. You must be getting tired with all that copy and pasteing.
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A restaurateur in Cannes sighed: “Ach! The Americans. Always the Americans. Again the Americans. Always trouble with the Americans. This is not France’s problem. It is America’s problem.”
In his caf� they said: “The problem is Bush thought he could go into a foreign country and then go out when he was finished going in. He did this. He created another Vietnam.”
A shopkeeper in Cap D’Antibes: “America’s war, it is bad for our business.”
This from weasels who sound like they should blow their nose and whose speech long ago was the language of the air, the international language, the language of diplomacy � and no longer is. They cannot make a pissoir out of the greatest country on Earth.
A driver, who chugs around a land that � except for schmattas � hasn’t been known for anything since Coco Chanel, dared to say: “America is a bully. Always it shows its big stick. Your country lied. It said Iraq had these terrible weapons. They do not. We do not have to care for this mess you made. We are not responsible.”
At a gathering, I asked one person how can he bear the atrocity Al Qaeda just visited upon American civilian Paul Johnson and he replied: “Oh, yes, I have heard of this. But we have not seen too much of it in our news. It has not been widely reported.”
An act of man’s inhumanity to man in such proportion that it can not even be believed and he says, “Oh, yes, I have heard of this?!”
He spoke off-handedly. As if some Le Figaro fashion writer announced Dior was lengthening its hemlines again. He “has heard of this?!”
Another: “This is the American war. Why are French penalized? Today I filled my car [a Mercedes] with gas. It wasn’t even empty and it cost $45. Yesterday, $40. Two days, $85, and all because of the Americans.”
High season for travel is upon us. If that one guy thinks his business is bad now . . . wait. Let him sit and wait for the Americans who, hopefully, are not going to come.
Nothing a single small person like me says � or anything any big important person like a VIP says � will afford us peace, give Paul Johnson back his life or make us feel better. We are dealing with the bestiality of demented zealots. This nation doesn’t know what to do. The world doesn’t know what to do. Do you escalate? Do you back away? What is the next step? How does a civilized people handle this? While no one knows how to handle our terrifying enemies, I at least know how to handle our sickening “friends.”
Stick it to them.
So far the most noted opinions I have seen from the right (skully and rice) are lets be the most savage nation and lets use nuclear weapons and screw up the whole world. Man if that is the conservative opinion I guess I am a liberal.
Getting one’s head chopped off or getting stripped, subjected to sleep “therapy,” getting one’s testicles “wired,” forced into homoerotic positions with other naked POWs while a leering female soldier taunts you and a fat sonofabitch “contractor” bitch-slaps you….
You can take my head off. I’d rather suffer only a few seconds of confusion wondering where my body went.
JACK A, I never said I was a Republican. I never said use Nucs. If you want to quote me, quote me correctly. If someone came into your house and set a fire in your bedroom and ran to the house across the street and mocked you as you came out screaming, would you not go savage on him. Maybe I spent to much time learning life on the street, than a classroom.
Cindy, this is all about making money. Why do you think Bush has cut our mass transportation funding? Why were the incentives to buy electric cars reduced?
The choice for this nation to be independant of the Oil in the Middle East is here, but we are CONSIOUSLY CHOOSING to remain reliant on these nations. Fact is, Bush wants his cake and eat it too. He wants people to use lots of gas, and at the same time he is not taking any responsibility for our reliance on the Middle East.
But hey, practially the whole administration comes from Oil Money…
skully if your not a republican what are you – a fascist?
less is less,
I’ll buy your ticket to Iraq. Start Packing!
Anyway, to use your analogy, I would go and have that man arrested. But what we did was have a neighbor down the street who didn’t set our house one fire, but whom we didn’t like anyway, arrested…
Cindy, maybe if your Government had listened two years ago when the French told you not to strike the Middle East hornet’s nest, they may now care a bit more.
Afghanistan was justified.
Iraq was revenge.
RIP Paul Johnson.
>Stick it to them.
Short-sighted thinking. Unless you exterminate them, they’ll come back with even more nefarious plans to fill your life with FUD.
whoever bitches about the beheadings without bitching about Abu-Ghraib is a hypocrite. We went out of our way to ask for beheadings when we threw all the rules out the window at Abu Ghraib.
BESIDES ALL THE BS PEOPLE ARE TYPING ABOVE ME….broadband should be treated like the railroads were. It should be encouraged by government to grow. People needed to somewhere quickly…railroads were built. Now information needs to get many different places quickly, broadband should grow. democrats are fucking morons and so are republicans. people who can get past the stupid letter R/D and do what right for the country are those who should have the power to do whats best for the country. and frankly adults are morons too. look at yourselfs! i am 19, and looking at what you all have been writing. grow up.
Why do I have to be anything. Why can’t I be an American with values of my own, that don’t be long to any one party. I don’t understand why people label someone who cares about this country and thinks Bush is the right guy, a republican. Like I said if Gore was in office doing the samething I would be supporting him, would that make me a Democrate. I believe both parties have screwed this nation, at longer than than any of us have known.
[Jay Rice] I’ll buy your ticket to Iraq. Start Packing!
Excellent idea. Maybe my diplomatic initiative might save your ass. Or head.
hey g-stank,
then by your analogy we should start beheading the terrorists.
matt,
look at yourself. you put yourself higher than everybody and call them all morons. check the ego at the door. people are talking about shit that concerns them.
skully, I agree with you. People shouldn’t be a Democrat or Republican, they should vote for who they think represents them the best. In fact, the Democrats of today are more closely related to the Republicans of the past than the Republicans of today are. So since all these definitions are changing, and we as people are changing, I totally agree with you.
G-SPANK, it has been an honor debating with you…
less,
excellent. please go over there and try. let us all know how it goes. they’re such reasonable people those terrorists.
no, Jay, what I’m saying is you can’t call unfair when you’ve already broken the rules. Two wrongs don’t make a right, so we shouldn’t start beheading people.
What is the nature of humanity? Competition! That’s why Capitalism works so great! But people compete in all kinds of ways. We got it going with Abu-Ghraib. We said “fuck the rules terrorists!”, and the terrorists responded “Oh yeah, well we’ll up the ante!” How could you not see that one coming. If you like this sort of thing, go live in Israel, they’ve been doing it for years…
thanks skully, you’re not a bad as I first thought. I still think the Kerry helping terrorists thing is wacked out, but…
G-Spank, one of groomsman has “If you support Bush you support Terroism” on his truck. We have argued our positions over Pints of Guniess many nights. He hates Bush, I like Bush, but I would take a bullet for my friend any day.
We broke the rules first????? I don’t think so g-stank. Not a chance. Those animals don’t know what civil rules are. They kill anyone that doesn’t believe in their brand of religion. They terrorize women, children, and fellow muslims. You and the like are completely off the wall. You people make zero, I repeat zero sense. I’d love to see how they’d treat you if they got their hands on you.
It’s good to have Jay Rice on this board. Where else can you get a guy with an IQ of 70 with an obvious redneck KKK attitude who believes that America should bomb everyone we don’t like and truly believes that Saddam was behind 9/11 to give his ignorant opinion on world politics?
Oh yeah, you could talk to the current resident of the White House.
Skully, that was a fantastic analogy. So the neighbor comes into my house and starts a fire and then runs. He even claims responsibility. So I go to his house and start a bunch of fires trying to smoke him out, but I never get him. Instead, I forget about him and go to a different neighbor’s house. This guy didn’t have anything to do with the fires, but he used to fight with my dad a lot. So I burn his house down, capture him, take his kids prisoner and tie their testicles to wires. I take a bunch of pictures of them to embarrass them, and I break all the Geneva Conventions doing it. Then, when the rest of the neighborhood tells me what I did was wrong, I tell them that they don’t get any of the posessions from this guy’s house because they didn’t help me burn it down.
Yeah, that is a good analogy.
G-SPANK, I gotta ask. What is up with the nickname?
I thought my one of my ex-girlfirends name was inciting (Tammy Tange)
Jay, have you ever read the articles of the Geneva Conventions? Yes, we broke the rules first. Read them.
http://www.genevaconventions.org
At a minimum, Donald Rumsfeld needs to be tried for war crimes.
JIMBO, holy crap, I think you missed my anaolgy. I really don’t know how to respond to that, Without saying something stupid and mean.
Damn, Jimbo is on a roll.
Skully, I didn’t miss the analogy – I expanded upon it. The thought being that The Shrub (little Bush) attacked Iraq for no good reasons. Yeah, Saddam was an asshole, but if we attacked every country whose leader was an asshole, we’d start bombing ourselves. Anyway, he claimed WMDs. He claimed an Al Qaida association. He lied. The real reasons he did it were because of oil, and because he planned to do it all along.
I did like the analogy, though. Really.
About the Geneva Convention, that applies only to two warring parties not one warring party and unidentifyable fighters. The US has identifyable fighters while terrorists are not covered by it. Thus the US can hold them forever if they want and they can use ANY method to extract info. That being said, no one wants torture to be liberally applied, however I don’t regard what happened in Abu Ghirab as torture, more like sexual abuse, which I don;t believe falls under Geneva anyway.
My $.02
Ok, let’s travel down this rabbit hole. Let’s say Bush lied, why did he lie?
What would he gain by starting a war and that the reasons for war would eventually be proven wrong? Is the US being paid for the oil that is being? If it is show me proof.. If not, than your arguement is false and has not merit.
sorry, I meant ” Is the US being paid for the oil that is being sold?”
Deus Ex Machina,
Thank you for pointing out the obvious to these tools. They still won’t get it though. Not until they’re on the receiving end of the terrorist’s knife and they probably still won’t get it. Or when their city get’s nuked.
jimbo van pussy,
please go over to the middle east and hang out with your terrorist friends. why do you think they attacked us on 9/11? Give me your great insights into that you freaking moron.
Look, I pride myself on thinking independently of party politics, for the great ones always do. I try to emulate. Alot of the things said about George Bush are incredibly false and misdirected. However he also has made quite a few misjudgements himself. I don’t believe in judgin a sitting president based on media reports solely. You have to look at the underlying factors and I give the W slack for tackling a sore-eye of American Foreign policy that was Iraq. Sure we built Saddam up, but we did the right thing taking him down. At least we are cleaning up our messes, which is a bit more than I can say about the foreign policy blunders of other presidents or nations for that matter.
well said deus and Jay.
I commend George Bush on tackling this terrible world problem. It has to be done. Like it or not Liberals.
Bring it Jay Rice. I could outwit you in my sleep.
Deus, good point. However, the breaking of the Geneva Conventions would be against the country of Iraq. We initially declared war (officially or not) on Iraq, whose leader was Saddam Hussein. Whether or not he was beloved does not matter. Remember that in your choice of words (terrorists), you seem to be wanting to tie them to 9/11. Remember that only our current administration makes that claim. Everyone else knows it’s not valid.
So, while we might have the rights to ignore the GC against Al Qaida, we do not against Iraq. Bush’s advisors are trying to use that excuse, but I don’t believe it’ll hold up in court.
Now, why would Bush lie? He would like because he wanted any reason to attack Iraq and we would not go for his “cause I wanna” argument. So he lied about WMD. He lied about Al Qaida ties. He lied about other things.
Why would he lie, though? Well, remember that Mr. Cheney is pulling his puppet strings. Cheney never drinks when Bush is talking. Cheney and Halliburton have a lot to gain in Iraq. They’ve made billions already. They’ve also cheated for hundreds of millions more. That’s reason enough.
Then you have the ‘X’ factor – Christianity. God told Bush to do this. God hates everyone but Christians. We should kill all but Christians. God says so.
Funny how much Bush sounds like the Muslim extremists when he says this.
Finally, I agree that Saddam should be taken down. But we should have done it in the right way. We should not have lied about WMDs and terrorists and then gone in there. We should have said, “This guy is bad and we’re going to go take him out.” That would have been more palatable, more legal. God would have wanted it that way…
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George W. today unveiled a mental health plan through which he wants to get everyone “evaluated” and placed on the appropriate medications. I figure once they have all the “deviants” (homos, atheists, Iraq dissenters, vegetarians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, illegitimate children, single mothers, Down’s Syndrome kids, amputees, the blind, and every other non-christian who isn’t just like them) identified and medicated, it’s easy enough to build a few camps with gigantic ovens.
Enjoy your time in the labor camp, Skully, you moron.
jfbiii, be a little nicer to Skully. He’s at least putting up a competent argument. You wanna pick on morons, go after Jay “Trailer Trash Bubba” Rice. That boy ain’t right. Why momma musta dropped him on the head a few times when he was young. But I’m sure that, like the current prez, he decided to join the service when he was 18. Of course, he had to leave the third grade early, but there he was….
jimbo von pussy,
and which one of these so called Iraqi soldiers were wearing uniforms when they were taken prisoner? how many? please let us know since you think you personally know so much about Sadam and Al Queers love affair with each other. you couldn’t outwit your way out of a paper bag tool.
Jay this jimbo character needs his head examined.
How did I know this forum would turn into a big political bashfest? Hate to see MDN in October. All of you are freakin’ pansies.
Jay Bubba,
We also have servicemen fighting in wars that are not in uniform. They attempt to infiltrate, to blend in. They are still soldiers for their respective country. You are a fucking tool, boy.
I can’t wait for that moron to be ejected from the white house, I hate it when someone takes all the credit for being the best douchebag.
Tell ’em Jimbo!
jfbiii- If you have something to say about my posts, quote me, than call me a name. At least have a reason for your rants.
“If you vote Kerry you support Terrorists.” That was you, skully, I believe.
No. A vote for Bush is a vote for terrorists. Because under Bush and Asscroft, terrorists have already won their war. Under Bush and Asscroft, we have become a nation of trembling pussies willing to give up any freedom, no matter how dear, in an attempt to trade that freedom for a safety which cannot be obtained that way.
The Patriot Act isn’t being used to stop terrorism…it’s being used to increase the power of federal and local law enforcement and will end with the US increasingly resembling the defeated USSR. Papers in order to travel (I think they call it the “Registered Traveler” program); forced medication for children forced to undergo mental evaluations in public schools (that one’s called the “New Freedom Initiative”); these assholes are the terrorists: they are traitors to their oaths to uphold the Constitution.
You can say what you want about being an independent. But the most savage nation, if it does happen to win a war, really hasn’t won anything. Because a descent into savagery is a descent into slavery at the point of whoever’s holding the biggest gun. Whether the erosion of the Consitutional protections at home enables the torture abroad or the reverse is immaterial. The path Bush has chosen, while correctly including a war of liberation, has taken a turn so wrong that only the willfully ignorant can miss it.
It really doesn’t sound as if anyone here has the facts straight. The US and GWB were not the only ones to think that there were WMD in Iraq. The entire Security Council thought so, hence the votes condemning Iraq for having them. If the CIA was duped or misguided or just plain wrong, so were the intelligence services of every other country who voted for those resolutions. The differences were not based upon different beliefs about the presence of WMD, but on what and when to do something about it. US and Britain wanted to be aggressive about it, France, Germany, Russia and China wanted to give it more time. Even Kerry thought the Iraqi’s had WMD but then he got the same information GWB got. Communications between al-qaeda and Iraq did exist. That does not mean Iraq assisted on 9/11 or helped plot any of the terrorist attacks of the past several years, but it doesn’t mean they would not have if international sanctions had continued. Even Russia’s intelligence services believed Saddam was going to promote terrorist attacks on US, whether in concert with al-qaeda or not is unknown. Was any of this due to intentional lies? It would not appear so if all countries believed it to be true. Maybe they all believed it because Iraqi’s were horrible book keepers who did not know how to document the destruction of their WMD’s. Does that mean we had to attack Iraq at the time we did? Argue that all you want, but no one on this forum has all the information that the Prime Minister and President did when they made their plans.
A lot of people also say this is all about the Oil. There is no way that the US or anybody or company in it is going to recover a hundreth of what this war and attendant reconstruction is going to cost us before it is over. So economically, a war for oil makes no sense. Unless we took over Iraq and got to keep every penny of profit until the oil ran out without a cent going to the Iraqi’s would that even come close to being reasonable. While Cheney’s former company and others are going to make lots of money in this deal, it isn’t going to come close to what the taxpayers are putting into it. It would be cheaper to just give those company’s tax credits or big boondoggle contracts for nothing than go to war and rebuild the country afterward if he wants to reward them. Cost a lot less that way. And really, to suggest that Bush, Cheney or anyone of our leaders would trade thousands of American lives killed or wounded for a bad economic deal smacks of unreasoned hatred or bias by the party claiming it. I may not agree with their policies, but I’m pretty certain none of them are that crass, unpatriotic and stupid. They may not be doing what I or someone else who thinks like me would do in similar circumstances, but I don’t believe they would deliberately have so many die or get wounded for so little money to so few people. I’m a probation officer so I see a lot of stupid and cruel things, but that would be stretching it for even most of the people I supervise.
It would seem the time you’ve spent trashing each other’s political beliefs might be better spent on debating the merits of any particular policy or even (gasp!) discussing ways to make things better than they are. Just my ten cents worth.
actually early on Segways were recalled because they had the problem of losing balance when the battery was low on power. And what a surprise that politicians dont tell the whole truth. And the other reason that Bush has the highest numbers of protests is that since he gained office the Internet has grown enormously. Not to mention that the masses cant handle the full truth. If we knew the full truth almost nothing would work, women would have nothing to gossip about, the news conglomerates wouldn’t have the amount of cheap garbage coverage to show us if we got the full truth all the time. To all the crybabies going on and on about how we have daddy and Mommas boys running the country why dont you grow up and try to improve your families standing instead of pouting on the sidelines about how you got nothing handed to you. We are all created equal its what we do with our lives that set us apart. And whats with all these judgments that are being thrown around, like no one here has ever not told a lie or not the whole truth. You people are sad examples of sheep if you expect the world around you to divulge all its secrets unto you because you believe you are entitled to know all.
Red Wings suck!
First of all, I think its stupid that we even have a son of president as a president. What is this, a monarchy? What are the chances someones son will make a better president than them?
ok, now that I got that off my chest, I don’t think GW is doing this all for profit, but the gang is making more money than anybody in this affair, thats for sure. I think GW has been all his life trying to prove himself to his dad, and this is an extension of that. He got the green light from 9-11 to go on his adgenda, and on his adgenda he has gone. Iraq is barelyrelated to 9-11, if at all. Certainly there are many places that are more related than Iraq. What else do you need?
jfbiii- In response to “”If you vote Kerry you support Terrorists.” That was you, skully, I believe.”
You didn’t finish reading all my posts. I wrote that becuase liberals get off on putting “Bush Hating” slogans on everything, with no evidence.
Why are you so fascinated in finding some great conspiracy to turn the US into the USSR of the 80’s. Your very paranoid. There is no way a presidnet could ever turn this country into anything that resembles the USSR. If the Patriot Act is a bad idea
Congress will fix it or repeal it. Nothing is perfect. And what is so wrong with giving Law Enforcement a little bit of help. I have not lost any of my Freedoms since 9-11, and I don’t know anybody who has.
G-SPANK, Welcome back nice to see you.. We need to go to a bigger fourm. These all mac guys don’t like us in here.
OK lets even put the whole Iraq thing aside. Bush should still not be re-elected. He totally dropped the ball before 9/11. I mean he got a briefing titled “Bin Laden determined to strike in US” that said FBI information “indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York” ONE MONTH BEFORE 9/11 while he was on vacation in Texas. And what did he do? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. AND HE STAYED ON VACATION.
Bush is totally lost. Check out this page detailing exactly how our commander in chief reacted on 9/11.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html
PLUS Bush LIES:
http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm
This is all not to mention that:
Bush’s tax breaks heavily favor the rich.
Bush’s record on the environment is deplorable.
Bush took a suplus and made it into a record deficit.
Bush has taken more vacation than any other president in history.
Bush’s policies are horrible for education.
Bush’s policies do not support veterans adequately.
If you think I should vote for Bush then please tell me concretely the actions that he did that merit me supporting him for 4 more years. And since we are leaving the War(s) he started out of it, PLEASE don’t tell me “Because he is kicking Terrorist Ass”. I think that angle on Bushes presidency has been more than adequately covered above.
Oh, I will concede that it is cool that he uses a Mac tho. I just don’t think that merits giving him four more years to screw up America.
Well Jack-A, you have some interesting info. Bush is still my guy. Like I said I don’t believe a word that come sout of a politicians mouth, I believe what I see. And I see Bush doing the best he can to protect us, to put us first. He has made mistakes and maybe history will say the Iraq war was as bad as Veitnam, but I don’t agree.
Skully, Which of Bush’s policies besides going to war do you support? Or don’t you care what he does dometically at all? Or does going to war cancel out any stupid thing he might choose to do on the home front?
Like I said I think the war issue has been done pretty well here. Personally I was for Afghanistan but thought that Iraq was based on shaky evidence. Once we were in there and it had started I supported it on the grounds that we should get it over with and get out as soon as possible. Well, we got Saddam and it is definately time to get the heck out before heavy handedness ends up creating more terrorist problems than we eliminated.
Please answer though with regards to Bush’s domestic policies. I think these are at least as important for Americans as his foreign policies. What has Bush done at home that you support?
Well, I was able to buy my first house this year, I’m able to put more of money into my 401k becuase of Bush. My wife and I are in a lower tax bracket because of him. People should never look to the president to give them a hand out, he should protect us and let us live our lives.
All this talk of the Iraq and the terrorist connection are hilarious. You want to weaken Al-Qaeda? Then invade Saudi Arabia. They have alot more ties that Iraq ever did.
Skully you should check out this site:
http://www.ctj.org/html/gwb0602.htm
The guys coming up with these new tax laws are not stupid. They know they have to make it seem like a good thing to the average tax payer and they can hire really tricky lawyers and accountants to make it seem so. If you dig just a little beneath the sufface though you can find out how much these “tax cuts” are actually costing the average tax payer and benefitting the top 1%.
George W. Bush, while seeming to give you money with one hand, is taking money out of your pocket and your childrens pockets to give it to the richest 1% of americans.
qman,
Just wait they’re next!
the US should use whatever means necessary to get information out of these chimpanzee terrorists. Any means. We need to take out the middle east now. These people can not control themselves.
what a waste of time reading such drivel.
While politicians in America like Ted Kennedy were comparing our soldiers to terrorists who ran Saddam Hussein’s torture chambers, those terrorists actually showed the world just how dangerously wrong the Massachusetts senator is.
For a week, I have been telling Americans that they needed to keep this prison scandal in perspective. Yesterday, the murderous thugs who are trying to stop freedom from spreading to Iraq put this scandal, this war, and this operation to liberate Iraq, in perfect perspective.
Terrorists who fear freedom more than anything else took the life of a young American by the most brutal and savage way possible. With a videotape running, they actually took a knife to the side of Nick Berg�s neck and carved half of it off. They flipped him over. Then they cut into the other side. And while screams rang out, they finally severed the Philadelphia native’s head, held it up, and shouted, �God is great.�
Watching that video, I thought of the hell that Nick’s parents and family members have to be going through, and of how Nick was actually over in Iraq to help rebuild that terrorized land. I thought about how those senators debating the niceties of international law apparently have no comprehension of just how evil our enemy is, and how now, more than ever, there can be no substitute for total and complete victory in Iraq.
We are a world in a war that will determine whether our children and their children live in peace. It’s a war that will determine whether we all live in a world where innocents are slaughtered, and terrorists define national policy. America must lead. America must persevere. And America must win, because we simply have no other choice.
Communists, communists, communists. Anyone who disagreed with the right were communists. Half of the tyrants in the world labeled their opponents communists and suckered the US out of money and arms, including the Taliban.
Terrorists, terrorists, terrorists. Saddam and others suckered the US out of money and arms to fight the Iranian and Islamic terrorists. Only problem now is more than half of the Islamic world cheers when the US gets it in the neck and the other half, plus half of the rest of the world, think “it serves them right,” and you can’t tell a terrorist from a non-terrorist anymore.
Next it’ll be liberals, liberals, liberals, and the right-wing-church will sucker the US out of money and arms to send you back to the middle ages with creationism, burning “heretics” at the stake and stoning homosexuals and adulterers. It starts with putting “God” into the Constitution because its founding fathers thought it fit to leave it out, next it’ll be teaching “creationist science” [an oxymoron if there was ever one], banning abortion [it’s “bad,” say the biggest group of child-sexual abusers], then banning homosexuality, which paradoxically enough a high percentage of the celibate clergy is.
Liberals are all for spending on the elevation of the standard of living and education, siphoning funds from the country’s defense industry and military that are needed to keep the US strong and defended from … who…? Communists, terrorists and liberals!
For ANY war to be won, you go for the source.
Vietnam and Korea were not the source of communism. Iraq was not the source of the World Trade Centers being only a memory now.
Sort of puts things in perspective …..
—– D-Day as covered by today’s media
By William J. Tobin
Here’s how today’s media might have covered D-Day, 60 years ago:
On the coast of France, June 6, 1944:
Hundreds of paratroopers have fallen wide of their target zone. (In Washington, the Senate Armed Services Committee is demanding an explanation. The Army chief of staff may be called to testify.)
The French village of Cerville has been destroyed by mortar fire from a U.S. infantry platoon. Four civilians were killed, including one elderly great-grandmother. German defenders had retreated hours before the American attack. Army intelligence failures are cited.
NBC Exclusive: Four bombs dropped by 8th Air Force raiders failed to explode when they fell in an empty field close to the village of Le Challimond. An examination indicates the duds came from an Iowa munitions factory. An unidentified Army corporal said additional defective bombs may already be aboard other U.S. bombers heading
for France.
Thousands of American casualties were suffered today as troops poured on shore at Omaha Beach. (In Washington, a Nebraska congressmen charged that many GI’s were unprepared for what they encountered during the invasion. “Somebody needs to be held accountable,” he said.)
Heavy Navy shelling from battleships and cruisers had little effect on Nazi gun emplacements raining fire on U.S. forces, several correspondents at the scene reported. (In Washington, a World War I veteran interviewed by a reporter questioned the value of troop support by warships, saying “the days of naval involvement in battles is long past.”)
CBS Exclusive: Bombs falling on the tiny French village of
Entierier killed all four cows on which residents depend for milk and cheese.
Severe shortages are feared unless U.S. forces can replace the animals by next week.
A 411-year-old church in the village of Marsuiles was destroyed by Army artillery fire after a German sniper was detected shooting from the bell tower. The Vichy French government mayor of the town protested to advancing GI’s, saying the sniper surely would have ceased firing had the American soldiers asked him to do so. He demanded an apology from Gen. Omar Bradley.
NBC Exclusive, in a report from Paris: Residents here fear the Eiffel Tower might be destroyed by advancing American forces. “They probably do not appreciate the beauties of the City of Light,” said Pierre Mutrand, the mayor appointed by occupying German forces. His sentiments were echoed by a number of Parisians and several Nazi SS officers, interviewed while sipping aperitifs at sidewalk cafes along the Champs-Elys�es.
A river near the French coast has been contaminated by fuel leaking from two disabled tanks that advancing GI’s pushed over the side of a bridge. French puppet civic leaders questioned the need to clear the bridge by such drastic action, saying it appeared soldiers could have climbed over the wreckage had it been left in place. Correspondents were denied an interview by the young Army captain commanding
troops in the area.
CBS Exclusive: American forces bogged down in the hedgerows of the French countryside have been calling for reinforcements to help escape withering German fire. Communication problems, however, have leftcommanders on the beach unaware that some of their troops are in a desperate situation. It makes you wonder whether their training was adequate – or even if there was any training at all.
On the home front:
As first battle reports indicated heavy casualties on Omaha Beach, a Republican leader addressing a Republican rally in Bloomington, Ind., told a group of somber Hoosiers that the invasion losses are evidence that President Roosevelt is incompetent. The Indiana congressional
delegation responded by saying it would begin bipartisan hearings to see whether Roosevelt had concealed information that the invasion would be more costly than expected. In a panel discussion broadcast by NBC Radio, four White House correspondents provided illuminating insight into the difficulties being encountered by Allied forces in France. Jeremy Jeffords, Washington Bureau chief of a small Midwest newspaper, said, “The decision to start the invasion this early in June is open to severe criticism. Gen. Eisenhower and his planners apparently failed to take into account that delaying this assault until August would have found much of the French population on a holiday and thus removed from
the path of the fighting.”
In Chicago, the Rev. Blakely Elmera, a noted peace activist, deplored the violence taking place on the French battlefields. “Apparently our government in Washington gave no thought to the possibility of negotiating with German leaders in an effort to resolve their differences,” he said. “We seem to be blindly following Churchill’s affection for war.” In London, the British prime minister lit a new cigar and declined to respond.
Joe,
it’s such a shame we’re fighting that war in such an asinine way, eh? As far as tacticians go, this commander in cheif hasn’t graduated grade school…
g-stank,
thank god you aren’t in charge of anything important. you will be utterly proven wrong you freaking moron!
rodrigo, that was cool. i enjoyed the flashback. As far as applying it to this war, it works and it doesn’t. In WWII it was a very clear cut decision to go to war. I mean shit, we joined the whole thing late, after Hitler had already conquered most of Europe. That’s a clear cut case. If Bush was in power then, he probably would have invaded Turkey before the war got started, and made the whole thing eaiser for Hitler. “preemptive strike” they’d call it, and it wouldn’t target the real enemy. I think Turkey had some ethnic cleansing at the time, and that would have been the scape goat. Anyway, America would have fucked up the whole thing…
Jay, considering I did just a little better than Bush on his SAT’s I agree that I really don’t quite have the brains to be in charge of this country…
you liberal idiots love to get upset when anyone calls you out for what you are yet you hypocrites have no problem name call the US president. Up yours mothrfkers!!!!!!
gspank,
you’re out of it man. it would have been much much better had the US preemptively attacked Hitler before he killed all the jews and others. your reasoning dictates that we should let the terrorists and countries that let them operate nuke a western nation city first or worse before we go after those sub human slime. you are a really bad person mr. spank. I totally disagree with you and your ilk.
g-stank = brain vomit
rodrigo are you voting for Bush? If so I would like to know what policy of his it is that you support. (besides going to war)
Take your pick:
Economy
Taxes
Education
Environment
Or any other policy which is why you support him
This is of course supposing that you DO support George W.
Hypothetical situation:
You are God. You must decide who will be the next President of the United States. You have two choices:
The first candidate, while far from perfect, at least attempts to govern according to his Christian beliefs (and for those of you who say God is all love and no judgment, don’t forget the Bible is one of the most violent books ever written).
The second candidate can’t decide which side to take on 90% of the issues, and completely disregards Godly precepts (which, by the way, the United States were founded upon), unless it will get him a few conservative swing voters.
Who do you choose?
rodrigo, Bush didn’t do a preemptive strike on OSAMA!!! He did a pre-emptive strike on a country that didn’t have any connection to AL QUEDA, or if they did it was miniscule. DOnt you GET IT? If Bush was in office during WWII his pre-emptive strike would NOT have been against Hitler, or even Italy, it would have been against a country that had miniscule ties to Germany, like Turkey. Do you think that would have helped the Germans or hurt them to have the USA invade Turkey right before the war started?
and hadn’t saddam violated the UN sanctions for years and the US was warned by Russia about Saddam’s terrorist ties which would surely result in more atrocious attacks. It’s not just about Osam bone head. that whole side of the world has to be rearranged. Figure it out dude.
jack ass,
especially good point on the economy and taxes dip sht. good arguement. man are you an idiot.
Rodrigo,
Al Queda is not weakened one bit by our actions. In fact, studies are showing that they are empowered by them and are seeing a rise in numbers. If you think we can change the way the people think in the Middle East with bombs, you are sorely mistaken. Terrorism is fought with a world community of networked intelligence, and precise strikes when that intelligence comes through.
We have done much to alienate ourselves from the world community, and our heavy handed approach to Iraq has verified the Terrorists Rhetoric.
In my opinion, what you propose to do is burn a house down in order to get rid of the termites, all the while the termites can live deep beneath the house. Yeah the house is burned down, but the termites are just fine…
anyway, we can agree that we are trying to weaken and eventually incapacitate those who are behind 9-11. We just have different ideas on how that is accomplished.
No reply I see rodrigo. What about the home front man? This war is (hopefully) almost over. Are you voting for Bush and if so which of his domestic policies do you support?
Sorry Jack A, you lost those boys after you stopped talking about guns. Jay Rice has got to be the most ignorant human I’ve heard from in years – even worse than the current president. I actually think I slammed Bush by comparing the two. Well, hopefully the dark ages of American politics will be behind us in a little over half a year, and we can throw another Bush out of the office. He and Cheney can crawl back under their rocks and re-establish their ties with the Bin Laden family. Rumsfeld can go to trial for war crimes. Cheney can take his rightful seat at the right hand of the devil in hell, and our country can get back to being a good place for all, not just for rednecks like Jay Rice.
bush sucks
I love George Bush! He’s the best president in a long time. It’s very unfortunate that all of you liberals can name call our president and then when a person like Jay Rice sticks back to you, you can’t take it. Very lame indeed on your part liberals. You just can’t seem to understand that you can’t negotiate with terrorists. They only understand violence. We will hunt all of them down and eliminate them. Thank God for George Bush. Kerry has no chance!
I can’t believe you liberals think that the hostages deserve to have their heads cut off while their alive and screaming because the US scared a bunch of terrorist prisoners. You people are just as bad as the terrorists. I’m not from the US but I strongly support George Bush!!!!! You people are disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jimbo, macadditc2, jack a SUCK each other off while helping the terrorists!!!!!
Hey liberal sht heads, here’s another quote from your terrorist friends, “Voice on audio recording vows to assassinate Allawi, fight Americans ‘until Islamic rule is back on Earth'”. Try to figure it out morons. They’re not giving up until they rule the earth period! How do you negotiate with that. You don’t you ass wipes. You eliminate them one by one. You use any means necessary to squeeze information out of these disgusting scum bags. I’d love to see each and every one of you get dropped off one by one to try to negotiate with these psychos. Your bodies and heads would go their separate ways.
Jay Rice and other dummies alike. Explain me the main differences between Islamic Rule and the present USA administration. Both use torture to get their objectives. Both have leaders with low culture. Both use military force as the way to achive their point of view. Both try to subjugate other states to their wishes. Both control the internal Media to hide their internal problems (USA rated very low this year in the international ranking for freedom of press). I’m not getting the point.
Alan Cochrane – Did I say that? I don’t think so. I can’t even figure out why you would think I or anyone else thought that. Please quote from previous posts to back up this claim.
Jenny – Are you informed about what George Bush’s domestic policies are doing to America? Name one domestic policy of Bush’s that you support and lets discuss. Basing your entire decision in this coming election on wanting Geoge W. to go out and kill is not perhaps the most advisable course. There is more to it than that.
>> I love George Bush! He’s the best president in a long time. [jenny]
Give it up, Jack A, love, as they say, can move mountains, let alone the ant-brained.
wait a minute, Kerry doesn’t use a computer at all?????
from Alan: From: Alan Cochrane:
“I can’t believe you liberals think that the hostages deserve to have their heads cut”
Don’t you realize you’re living in a world where you MAKE SHIT UP. Noone ever said what you are claiming here, you’re mind simplifies the world around you so you can make it fit whatever simple ideas you have inside. It’s pathetic.
All I am seeing here from the Bush supporters is blatant FUD, foul language, and name calling. No one is coming up to the plate to address any of the issues in a logical fashion though I have offered several times. In fact the only issue they seem to want to talk about at all is War and how they want Bush to kill more. It seems to me that this says a lot. We can only hope that the upper part of the bell curve turns out in greater numbers than the lower part in the upcoming election.
*chirp chirp*
you tools infer that because the US scared the terrorist prisoners the innocent civilians deserve to have their heads hacked off. We provoked the gorillas so now it’s our fault that it’s happening. Sorry fkwads, that doesn’t fly. You also swear and name call the president of the US and then when people call you out on it you cry that you’re being cursed at. You people are effing sick!!!!!
talk about fowl mouths and name calling. you liberals are the so incredibly hypocritical it’s pathetic!
OK, please quote one instance where I used foul language or name called.
I am waiting.
AND I see you still don’t want to discuss the issues. Why not?
from Jay: “you tools infer that because the US scared the terrorist prisoners the innocent civilians deserve to have their heads hacked off.”
Don’t you realize you’re living in a world where you MAKE SHIT UP. Noone ever said what you are claiming here, you’re mind simplifies the world around you so you can make it fit whatever simple ideas you have inside. It’s pathetic.
What people have been saying is that the terrorists use Abu Ghraib to justify their claims about the USA, and their actions against us. DON’T YOU GET IT?!! We’re not saying “Deserve” anywhere you moron, we’re pointing out how nature works in this situation. You’re the kind of person who beats up your neighbor and then act all surprised when you find your car tires slashed.
Hey Jay……Did you ever quoting you here – – “also swear and name call the president of the US” – – – When Mr Clinton was in office?
P.S. you win. Name calling and emotionalism trump reason, logic, and knowledge every time.
I know the likelyhood of an accurate anwer to this question, but I really would like to know if you listen to Rush Limbaugh?
I also want to thank you for continuing to contribute here, at least you do continue to debate.
Respectfully,
Thank you,
M.D.
gstink,
you are implying that the terrorists have some kind of valid reason for their actions. you are fking out of your minds to do that. these people are not human. they are now officially bulls eyes. mac poodle – whatever.
“whoever bitches about the beheadings without bitching about Abu-Ghraib is a hypocrite. We went out of our way to ask for beheadings when we threw all the rules out the window at Abu Ghraib.”
What the hell are you trying to say gstink?????????????????????
Hey Jay Rice…..
Two other questions I would love your feedback on.
A. If we classify whole populations in the middle east as
“terrorists” and “nuke them” in your words…….
Would some innocent people be killed?
B. If some organized group of people here in the USA
(say the NRA, or the ACLU) were labeled as “threats”
to the safety and security of the nation, would you
support indiscriminate killing of them too?
Anybody else in sympathy with Jay’s views are also welcome to answer.
Again, Thank you,
M. D.
Jay, I am sorry I ever actually expected a response to my questions from you.
Thanks anyway
M.P.
jack ass said: “George Bush sucks air.”
not near as bad as others but still name calling.
Jay Rice and other inteligence offenders alike. Explain me the main differences between Islamic Rule and the present USA administration. Both use torture to get their objectives. Both have leaders with low culture. Both use military force as the way to achive their point of view. Both try to subjugate other states to their wishes. Both control the internal Media to hide their internal problems (USA rated very low this year in the international ranking for freedom of press). I’m not getting the point.
what do you liberal fools think happened in Japan and Germany? What did we have to do to those people to beat them into better world neighbors? Do you really think it went smoothly? It took a long time for our efforts to pay off. Same things going to happen here. the middle east is lucky this isn’t a more Roman time. They would get their asses handed to them and shape up or die.
hi jay rice,
you have got to be completely out of your mind with that moronic question. You are not even worth it to reply too if you can’t see the difference between US and Islamic rule. Give me a freaking break you fwad!
Jay, you simplify the world to the point of delusion. The fact is that your mind thinks just like these terrorists. Your attitude is the same “monkey” attitude of the people you say we should nuke. They are saying the same thing as you. Look in the mirror, Jay, and you will see yourself wearing a Turbin and condeming the USA. It’s a simple matter of where you happen to be born.
For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day My Lai massacre.
I heard some Arabs and Muslims are asking for an apology. I humbly offer mine here:
I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11. I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships. I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth. I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and highjacked the Palestinian “cause”. I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.
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I am sorry that our own left wing elite, our media, and our own brainwashed (from elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES) masses do not understand any of this. I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the “food for oil” money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.
I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death. I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in “paradise.” I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children,the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are a legitimate targets.
I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making. I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.
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I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state. I am sorry we don’t drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient “Holy Site”. I am sorry they didn’t apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church – one of our Holy Sites.
I am sorry they didn’t apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, he embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc….etc! I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.
America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do. We hang out our dirty laundry for all the world to see. We move on. That’s one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don’t hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like – so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners.
Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we’re supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated? Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujans.
If you want an apology from this American, you’re going to have a long wait. You have a better chance of finding those 72 virgins.
gstank,
keep dreaming fool. again thank god you have nothing to do with protecting the civilized world. we would all be decapitated by now.
great posts Jay! Keep up the great work. These losers are incredibly out of touch. George Bush is the best man going.
you really think Jay has the mental capacity to write those previous posts. I highly doubt it. Someone penned his name.
Jay Rice and other inteligence offenders alike. Explain me the main differences between Islamic Rule and the present USA administration. Both use torture to get their objectives. Both have leaders with low culture. Both use military force as the way to achive their point of view. Both try to subjugate other states to their wishes. Both control the internal Media to hide their internal problems (USA rated very low this year in the international ranking for freedom of press). I’m not getting the point. You are the man Jay Rice!!. Bush is the most cleaver human being on hearth. As true as for you to be a dummy, th only thing you are missing are the feathers.. The problem is that you can not argue about the main differences between the present US admin and most of the islamic countryes. After all where are the WMD? In iraq or in USA?
It’s futile to discuss or argue with someone of the mental incapacity of a Jay Rice. There’s no room in their narrows minds for anything but what they want to believe and spout with blind ignorance.
narrow minds……. hmm sounds like you people are pinning your delusional shortsightedness on Jay when it’s really you wackos that don’t get it. Bug off!
I really don’t understand this hi jr character. what the heck is he smoking????? He wants to know the difference between the US and middle eastern crazies. Read the apology post from Jay Rice. That scratches the surface numb nuts.
Hello. My name is Mary Jo Kopechne. I would have been 65 years of age this year. Read about me and my killer below. When Sen. Ted Kennedy was merely just another Democrat bloating on Capitol Hill on behalf of liberal causes, it was perhaps excusable to ignore his deplorable past. But now that he’s become Sen. John Kerry’s leading campaign attack dog, positioning himself as Washington’s leading arbiter of truth and integrity, the days for such indulgence are now over. It’s time for the GOP to stand up and remind America why Sen. Kerry’s chief spokesman had to abandon his own presidential bid in 1980 – time to say the words Mary Jo Kopechne out loud. As is often the case, Republicans have deluded themselves into thinking that most Americans already know the story of how this “Conscience of the Democratic Party” left Miss Kopechne behind to die in the waters underneath the Edgartown Bridge in July 1969, after a night of drinking and partying with the young blonde campaign worker. But most Americans under 40 have never heard that story, or details of how Kennedy swam to safety, then tried to get his cousin Joe Garghan to say he was behind the wheel. Those young voters don’t know how Miss Kopechne, trapped inside Kennedy’s Oldsmobile, gasped for air until she finally died, while the Democrats’ leading Iraq war critic rushed back to his compound to formulate the best alibi he could think of. Neither does Generation X know how Kennedy was thrown out of Harvard on his ear 15 years earlier — for paying a fellow student to take his Spanish final. Or why the US Army denied him a commission because he cheated on tests.
As they listen to the Democrats’ “Liberal Lion” accuse President Bush of “telling lie after lie after lie” to get America to go to war in Iraq, young voters don’t know about that notorious 1991 Easter weekend in Palm Beach, when Uncle Teddy rounded up his nephews for a night on the town, an evening that ended with one of them credibly accused of rape. It’s time for Republicans to state unabashedly that they will no longer “go along with the gag” when it comes to Uncle Ted’s rants about deception and moral turpitude inside the Bush White House. And if the Republicans don’t, let’s do it ourselves by passing this forgotten disgrace around the Internet to wake up memories of what a fraud and fake Teddy really is. The Democratic Party, not to mention Sen. John Kerry, should be ashamed to have the national disgrace from Massachusetts as their spokesman. And the GOP needs to say so out loud. I remember all of this and I’m sure most of you do, too.
Dear Senator Kerry:
�� I am the Designated Letter Writer for the guys down to Daryl’s Bait Shop
here in Lagniappe, Louisiana.� We have been shaking our heads over your
stumbling campaign.� It ain’t so much we like you or your Party, but you
are a fellow American, born in the U S of A, so we don’t want you to
disgrace yourself.� Here are 10 helpful hints we have worked up for you.�
(More if you want them. Let us know.)
1.� We know you served in Nam.� You’d do yourself a favor if you didn’t
keep mentioning it every time someone pokes a microphone in your face.�
Geez, it was 35 years ago you did that for what was it, four months?� Some
of us guys at Daryl’s Bait Shop� spent more time than that on chow lines.
2.� Get your stories straight.� Admit you threw your or someone’s medals
and/or ribbons over the Capitol fence in ’71, and you went touring around
with Jane Fonda, and you testified falsely of atrocities by US troops.� You
ought to say that was all a youthful mistake.� We’ve made a few.� We’ll
understand.
3.� It’s OK, you can talk French to French reporters if you want to, we
don’t mind. Smilin’ Jack Boudreau can speak French, and we elected him
Chief of the Lagniappe Volunteer Fire Company.� We’re not bigots.� We call
’em as we see ’em, make up our minds.
4.� Sen. Kerry, why aren’t you touting your good luck in snaggin, not one,
but two, rich wives?� Here at Daryl’s we often wonder what it would be like
to have a really rich wife.� We speculate just how big a bass boat we could
buy along with one of those new Dodge Hemi trucks to pull it to the
crick.� Smilin Jack always points out how it’s his cousins, Marvin and
Dickweed who appear in those Dodge Hemi commercials but still they can’t
afford one of their own.� We chuckle how we could be fishin all day with
nary a worry about where the money is coming from.� You don’t have to cook
that ketchup, do you?� Come on, show the world how lucky you are.� We here in the South respect achievement and don’t begrudge someone’s good fortune even if he’s a politician.
5.� Me and Boudreau wonder why you aren’t going to the wrasslin matches to
get votes?� We’ve seen videotape of you on the ski slopes.� You got some
good moves, looks like you already know how to take a fall.� All us here
(except Freddie Dobbs and Herm Harrison) are great fans of wrasslin.� Not
that we’d vote for you just because you was one.� Armen Yazoo is a wrasslin
maniac, but none of us would vote for him even if he was running only for
dogcatcher.� So you got to tread easy on showing you’re Joe Sixpack who
just happened to go to Swiss prep school and St. Paul’s School and Yale
College Skull & Bones.� We’d see through that pose in about a minute and a
half and mark you for a hypocritical windbag and general liar.� You needn’t
go to the trouble of hanging a black velvet Elvis oil painting in any of
your living rooms. Weren’t none of us recently fell off a turnip truck.
6.� Tell us something you’re for.� We already know what you’re against.
7.� We ain’t all that impressed with the UN and we don’t know why you keep
bowing in its direction, promising you will go there first thing if you are
elected President of this country.� Is there anything the UN has ever done
right?� Didn’t they make a royal mess of that Iraq oil-for-food program,
millions skimmed off just happened to land in their personal bank accounts?
Seems to us they spend around 98 percent of their time passing
resolutions that don’t add up to a hill of beans.
8.� If you’re for lower gasoline prices in the morning, don’t be proposing
a 50 cents a gallon tax boost on gasoline in the afternoon.� Saying one
thing in Shreveport and the opposite in Baton Rouge don’t inspire us with
confidence with you as President. Maybe you should stay in the Senate where you got 99 other guys to share the responsibility with.
9.� We got indoor privies, color TV, cell phones, and computers.� Give us
some credit for brains and understanding.� We know economic conditions are good and getting better.� Your telling us we’re miserable, deluded fools just won’t fly.�
And it gives us the eerie feeling that you’re hoping for a
relapse into recession to help your electoral chances.
10.�� You have beaten all your Democratic opponents in all the primaries
and caucuses held so far.� Yet you seem out of touch with your party and
with America.� Maybe you’ve been a Politician too long, been campaigning too long and you need a break before the Convention.� We all think the best thing you can do is haul out your Harley, put TeRAYza on the pillion and take off for the Sturgis South Dakota Bike Rally.� Meet the folks.� A few of us from
Daryl’s will be there.� You don’t have to get tattooed.
Sincerely,
Cooter
(with the considerable assistance of J. Boudreau and B. Bass)
So if you can’t argue about the differences between USA present administration and Islamic States, please start to apologize seriously and not joking as the mighty inteligent Jay Rice Dummy did. Here’s the apologize list to follow.
http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa06.html
Stop thinking that only USA soldiers die. For each american soldier, 1000 world citizens die…
that taliban’s and Saddam’s brutal dictatorship are among those once supported by USA’s foreign policy? Why???? All empires felt because of the missrespect for others…. USA uses brutal regims as paper for ass cleaning…usefull as long as it lasts…
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Well i like bush because he is so dummy that he will keep giving shoots on his feet with the help of the obscure Cheney and the “facel of evil” Rumsfeld. Hopefully Kerry will be your next president!!!!! I’ll be here to rejoy in november
USA is the only Western country that uses the phrase “In God we trust” in the money!!!!! In The money!!!!!! My oh my…if Jesus were alive by now he would kill himself again agaist this heresy. If there are differences they are hard to see. I guess arabs don’t like McDonalds. Did i guessed right?? Did i?
man you foreigners are nutz with a z!!!!! keep the diarrhea of the mouth flowing. it only proves how stupid you are! Jay Rice Rocks!
where’s that homo finqueer been??????? maybe one of his terrorist friends decided to eat him?
George Bush’s economy is kicking ass. the tax cuts are definately helping. opposite to what the media would try to make you believe the man is not a liar the media is lying. He’s kicking terrorist BUTT!!!!! He’s helping the environment. He’s trying to push for hydrogen power to eliminate the need for oil, and much, much, more. You Micheal Moore types just want to distort reality for your own sickening gain. Stop lying liberals and be happy you have such a great president taking care of business. To the Foreign arm chair quarterbacks: Piss OFF! You’re just a bunch of jealous, whining, losers!
Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam! Down with Islam!
Let’s see, the US is for freedom of practically everything, democracy, equal rights, fun, hard work, education, etc.
Middle East is for some crazy stone age religion that persecutes anyone not exactly like them, terrorizes women and anyone not exactly like them. Against freedom, education, fun, hard work, etc., etc., etc.
It really takes a brain surgeon to figure out the differences between US and crazy muslim land. What a stupid ffffing question that idiot keeps posting. Up yours dickweed!!!!!
Congratulations for your solid and well composed arguments lololol. You behave like the majority of low schoolarity americans that support Bush. Nobel Prices Support Kerry. Why should that be?
Congratulations for your solid and well composed arguments lololol. You behave like the majority of low schoolarity americans that support Bush. Nobel Prizes Support Kerry. Why should that be?
Steve Jobs = Smart Guy -> Steve Jobs = support Kerry -> Smart Guys Support Kerry
Jay Rice = Dummy Guy -> Bush = Dummy Guy -> Jay Rice = Support Bush -> Dummyes support Dummyes
123Rock about Bush : “He’s helping the environment.” Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha. Thanks for the amusement bud ahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha. I wonder if Bush knows what environment is ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah. Cutting trees to prevent wildfires ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah. Thanks a lot for this moment of fun ahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha. Bush supports quioto protocol ahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
The other three will follow him…
john kerry can’t make his mind up on what day it is. he changes every time the wind blows. we hardly need a neophyte like that running the US. Bush is the best man for the times we live in. Like it or not liberal US citizens and jealous, meek, foreigners. we have to kill these terrorists and attack them wherever they hide. better in their back yard than ours. you foreigners can’t fight your own battles. you cry like sissies when you are attacked and beg the US for help. you stand by and watch all kinds of horrors without lifting a finger. The US stands up for itself and it’s security and you all criticize to no end. US to foreign aholes – shut the fk up!
cooter, thanks for sharing the letter, it was very enjoyable to read!
Jay Rice is no simpleton. He’s smarter and more intuitive than the whole lot our liberal, phony, kind. He’s right and we all no it.
honestly I haven’t been impressed with John Kerry so far. But if you look at the situation, Bush has proven his record of lies, and his penchant for fascist qualities. So Kerry looks pretty good in light of Bush.
To all the republican trolls out there who don’t put up any clear arguments, and think not with logic, but with passion, it is my sincere hope that on election day you get too drunk and in the midst of running up and down the street in nothing but an American flag while shouting “I’m a TOUGH GUY, damnit! Just like America! And I’m not Gay EITHER! I’m not AFRAID of nobody, especially TERRORISTS!”, you trip on a twig and knock yourself unconscious…
Bush is the best man for the times we live in????!!!!! Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahhahahaahhaha. Thanks for the amusement thougth ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah. Bush the divider heheeheheheheheheheheh ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Don’t you realize that Bush is the responsible for the time we live in??? So you are smarter than the 48 Nobel Prizes that still live in USA right lololol Ahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Bush is the bert dummy clown i have ever saw. Just listen him when he hasn’t a written speech lolololol. His staff is tired of crossing their fingers each time he opens his mouth.
look at the mob that has rallied around Jay Rice! Jay Rice is their LEADER! Ha!
What is your campaign slogan Jay? NUKE THE WORLD, AMERICA IS NUMBER ONE.
Even Hitler was more subtle than Jay Rice.
Sorry all your fascists but you have to face the idea that Kerry will be your next president. Hopefully it will be easier to combat terrorism then with the help from the countryes that Bush divided.
You seem to be smart enought to be paying attention to these fascist republican Kids. Give them the attention they deserve – your slight. Kerry will be USA’s next president and then we will become a great nation again.
You liberals have got to be kidding. Not once have you offered up any solid evidence to any of your maniacle bush bashing. It’s a complete joke. you idiots have a hard on for him because he ain’t a liberal piece of crap democrat or foreigner like yourselves. Bush has not lied. There were definate ties to Al Queada and Saddam. The whole world thought he had wmds and i’m sure a lot of them are in Syria and hopefully not terrorist hands. Muslim fundamentalism is the problem. When the cold war was going on the US had to buddy up to low life middle easterners. Not now. I love how you liberals bring up decades old aliances that have used up their usefulness now. Do you really think you and the liberal bush bashing media know more than bush and us gov does? Give me a freaking break. you people have a mental illness. you won’t get it until a muslim is hacking apart you and your familly in the name of allah.
Liberals every reasonable person can see right through your sham of an argument. Bush is not the enemy. Terrorists are. Thank god Bush is going after these devils.
You republicans deserve an earth without clean air & water, mired in World War, with an elite classist system that subjugates the poor.
And, you don’t deserve the USA, and the USA doesn’t deserve you.
gspank,
give us a break. you don’t really believe that’s what republicans stand for, do you? you’re out of your mind if you do. I know a good doctor that can get you on the right medication asap!
mr. spank,
what makes you think that your deranged ideals are the correct one for the US? Please spare us this drivel.
Mr. Bush is good for environment. Name one thing he done bad for environment. He no lyer either. US enforce UN resolution that corrupt France, Germany, Russia no want enforce. They making profit from corrupt dealings with Saddam. Everyone know this.
well, lets see. You all hold Jay Rice as your Representative here. He wants to Nuke the Middle East. So, yes, that would a) cause a massive world war & b) destroy the clean air and water, especially after retaliatory attacks. Not to mention Republicans hold business above environment, and Bush has repealed many laws that allow companies to pollute the environment further, and to outsource to China so they can pollute the rivers. The Right also has done much to subjugate the poor people of this country, while of course giving tax breaks to the rich.
So there you have it, a very simple and logical process showing you over-simplified Jay Rice fans your future.
and by the way, I’m only referring to all those people that align themselves with Jay Rice, not the normal republican that has a head on their shoulder.
It fits perfectly in the personality of the respective fascist above…
G-spank you’re the man. These guys are just jealous because they know that Kerry will be USA’s next president lololol. Against that only prozac or anything similar like bashing the future winner here lololol. Kerry represents a hope for free world. Bush is only a mindless dictator with 2 dogs (Cheney and rumsfeld) and a fool woman (Rice). Who knows that Rice is Jay Rice in disguise lololololooolololol.
How about the war in iraq as an example. You have a chineese name, you should be inteligent…
Personally, if Colin Powell were to run under the Republican platform, I would vote for him.
and ANYONE who says Bush is good for the environment is so deluded that they may as well commit themselves to an insane asylum.
g-spank,
you spout off all of these statements attacking President Bush and you have no valid back up to these statements. You are a waste of everyone’s time. Jay obviously doesn’t want to have to nuke any one. It is always an option depending on what these middle eastern terrorist throw at us. Get ready because whether or not the US attacked Iraq or anyone these terrorists are going to get a nuke and use it on either the US or Europe. Had the US done nothing to provoke as per prior to 9/11 and we got nuked I would love to hear your excuses for these lunatics then. It would still be every Republicans fault and the poor terrorists had no choice. Give me a break.
Tonto is an American Indian name fool!
you liberals are sickening!!!! you make reasonable people want to vomit!
Are those your arguments???? Congratulations. Tonto can be a Indian name but the portuguese meaning for the word still fits into the comment from Tonto – The fool (I mean you no?)
you liberals are absolutely 100% disgusting. you people are the problem with the world. lazy union workers that can’t get fired and barely do any work while holding business hostage and screwing up US and world out put. American workers abusing the crap out of workmans compensation and unemployment benefits. these people vote for liberals because they know a liberal will give them more free gifts for nothing at the expense of the hard working people. YOU LIBERALS SUCK!!!!!!!!!
gspank my man you need a strong perscription of prozac jack! either that or a staight jacket.
mtherfkr,
check your facts dickweed. the 9/11 commission retracted that statement tool.
First Attack on Bush:
>>Yeah, but Kerry doesn’t use a computer, and his staff is all Windows. George Bush uses a Mac.
Yeah, now we know that Macs are foolproof.
Mein Gott! To think we’ll see 3 GHz before the election. You guys are peaking a bit too soon.