Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak talk Mac’s Apple Silicon transition, lack of boot camp support, and more

Daring Fireball‘s John Gruber typically hosts a live episode of his “The Talk Show” podcast during the week of WWDC, featuring high-level Apple executives to dig further into some of the details on Apple’s major announcements. This year, due to
COVID-19, Gruber spoke with Apple’s Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak in a video podcast.

The Talk Show

Eric Slivka for MacRumors:

The 90-minute discussion touched on a number of topics, including a brief statement from Joswiak on Apple’s relationship with developers in light of recent concerns sparked by the “Hey” email app controversy, a thorough dive into Apple’s perspectives on macOS Big Sur and the Apple Silicon transition, and briefer tidbits on iPadOS and Apple Pencil, iOS 14, and privacy…

While avoiding direct mention of Windows, Federighi acknowledges that you won’t be able to boot directly into x86 operating systems on these Macs… but Federighi made clear that Apple is well aware of the situation, without tipping his hand on what developments may appear on that front in the coming months.

MacDailyNews Note: Here’s the video of Gruber’s discussion with Apple’s Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak:


    1. Parallels on an ARM Mac won’t be able to virtualize an x86 operating system as far as I know. So virtualizing and/or booting x86 Windows is not possible unless/until we hear something new.

      1. Virtualization is very different from underlying code translation. Parallels on an Intel Mac is still virtualization, but all the instructions are still x86 instructions. Parallels and others are just a much more convenient way to have macOS, Windows, and Linux all running concurrently on one Mac, yet all running x86 code.

        Even if there is a Parallels or VMWare or other on a Mac running chips based natively on the ARM instruction set, there will have to be an instruction set translation from x86 to the ARM instruction set underneath.

        I suspect Apple will provide that translation (possibly others too, but Apple damn well better provide it natively). Once that is done there could be a BootCamp equivalent or any number of virtualization applications out there that support x86 operating systems (Windows, Linux, etc.).

      2. I think you are incorrect. A Hardware Abstraction Layer of software can handle the job. That how machines were able to run various OS”s on Alpha chips years ago.. Virtualization will handle it all

  1. One wonders where ‘Windows on Arm’ comes into the equation, as limited as that still is in part certainly and more so in its lack of real impact. Ironically it could be a cross fertilisation process there in terms of progress and success over the following years and in how developers view the future. You can bet if Apples products perform well and show distinct advantages over the Intel platform WonA will get a boost in its own right. That will likely boost acceptance, positive perception and confidence in Apple’s products in return though I’m sure there will be hiccups along the way.

  2. How many people actually require Boot Camp? It’s likely a very small percentage. Will it hurt Apple that much not to support Boot Camp or is this just the tech-head community whining about something that doesn’t quite fit their idea of a perfect Mac? Is this an IT thing where corporations can only survive if their computers run Windows? Corporations are never going to fully break away from Windows PCs, so Apple’s lack of Boot Camp isn’t going to change anything.

    1. This is one of those times where Windows users can prove that a Windows machine is cheap and fast, it is not up to Apple to stay in the past trying to maintain bad hardware and software.

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