Mitt Romney: Does President Obama think Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple?

“Mitt Romney said again today that President Obama didn’t believe that Steve Jobs built Apple,” Domenico Montanaro reports for NBCNews.com. “‘To say what he said is to say that Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple Computer or that Bill Gates didn’t build Microsoft or that Henry Ford didn’t build Ford Motor Company or that Ray Croc didn’t build McDonald’s or that Papa John’s didn’t build Papa John’s Pizza,’ Romney said today at a town hall in Ohio. ‘This is the height of foolishness. It shows how out of touch he is with the character of America. It’s one more reason his policies have failed. It’s one more reason why we have to replace him in November.'”

Steve JobsMontanaro reports, “It’s not a new line. Here’s what Romney said yesterday: ‘The idea to say that Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple, that Henry Ford didn’t build Ford Motor; to say something like that is not just foolishness. It’s insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America. And it’s wrong.'”

“The Jobs charge is based on the Romney campaign’s reading of President Obama’s speech on Friday in Virginia, in which he said, in part: ‘If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen,'” Montanaro reports. “But does that mean the president doesn’t believe Steve Jobs built Apple? Here’s what Obama said in his statement after Steve Jobs died: ‘By building one of the planet’s most successful companies from his garage, he exemplified the spirit of American ingenuity.'”

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[Thanks to MacDailyNews readers too numerous to mention individually for the heads up.]

213 Comments

  1. Mitt Romney can only make a point by taking someone’s comment out of context. Again he only selects a small portion of what the President stated: namely that businesses succeed because they are able to use the infrastructure built with public funds.

      1. Look up the meaning of the word “context”.

        ““If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.”

        The “it” Obama is referring to us not the business that was built. It refers to the infrastructure that allowed the business to be built.

        1. I’m perfectly happy to contribute to fire services, police, roads, national defense, and other types of infrastructure that benefit all citizens.

          I am not happy to see my hard-earned money taken from me and then wasted on Senators’ pet projects, a government run ponzi scheme (Socialism Insecurity), a heath care boondoggle that will do nothing but make health care and everything else more expensive, bail outs to unions (GM), “investments” in “alternative energy” companies that go belly up 10 months later, presidential vacations and tee times in the worst recession in memory, etc., etc., etc.

          Obama is building a bridge to oblivion. I am not happy to help finance it.

          1. And you honestly think that anyone in the GOP, and especially Romney wouldn’t throw money in the toilet on pet projects and garbage fluff programs?

            Come on, every politician in history has done this kind of stuff. The fact that you can even pretend to believe that isn’t true tells me you are one of the most gullible SOB trolls on the on the internet.

            Since you seem to be in the market for a bridge, I got one I can sell you. And if the brainwashed masses to which you apparently belong have their way this November, you’ll probably end up living under it while you drink your Fox News Kool-Aid.

            1. “The President recently suggested that a central government – not individuals – deserves the credit for building successful businesses. This sentiment makes for terrible economics, but also reveals a confused morality. In a free community, everyone co-operates by voluntarily offering unique gifts: some invent, some invest, others labor, or sell while customers reward the best producers and providers by buying their products and services. Government has a critical role to play in this process: establishing rules that enable open competition and securing peace and order with courts, defense forces, first responders, teachers, infrastructure, and a safety net for the most vulnerable. Government helps create the space for innovation and prosperity, but government does not fill that space – and it should not try to, as the last few years have shown us. Only free citizens create things that improve our lives. A free economy and strong communities are the best means to reward effort with justice, to promote upward mobility, and to build solidarity among citizens. The President’s vision of a government-centered society – reflected in both his troubling rhetoric and his failed policies – belittles fair rewards for labor and enterprise. To renew prosperity and rebuild our communities, we must recommit to the American Idea of freedom and justice for all.” – U.S. Representative Paul Ryan, July 17, 2012

            2. Another Conservative Republician religious super right wing taker out of context comment.

              If you cannot get the persons comment correct, do not make a fool out of yourself by commenting on something that does not exist.
              Just a thought.

            3. “In a free community, everyone co-operates by voluntarily offering unique gifts: some invent, some invest, others labor, or sell while customers reward the best producers and providers by buying their products and services.”

              I feel it is safe you know nothing of the “Tragedy of the Commons”. It’s real and has been documented as a true issue. People most often are NOT altruistic enough to make the world better as a whole.

              “Government helps create the space for innovation and prosperity, but government does not fill that space – and it should not try to, as the last few years have shown us. Only free citizens create things that improve our lives.”

              And clearly you know nothing of the history of what is now called the Internet. It was NOT started by private industry or private citizens.

              As someone who was part of the very, very early ‘net (my first ‘net usage was over 40 years ago) I know personally how it was started and nurtured with taxpayer funds by the GOVERNMENT through DARPA/ARPA for well over a dozen years before industry started really getting involved. And unless you had accounts on the ‘net in the early 70s AND had commercial accounts on things like BIX and GEnie and their smaller predecessors like I did so that you truly know first hand both sides — government and private –, don’t pretend to lecture me or anyone else on the value of the the U.S. Government creating things to improve our lives.

              Finally,

              “To renew prosperity and rebuild our communities, we must recommit to the American Idea of freedom and justice for all.”

              Please delineate what freedoms and justice you have lost over the last three and a half years that keep you — or anyone else — from starting a new business?

              As someone who has started several businesses (e.g., one of two people who started one business, one of four who started another, one of five who started a third, etc.) and as someone who has dealt with more than my share of vulture capitalists wealthy, angel investors as well as “shoestring startups”, I can tell you first hand with absolute certainty it is not taxes or government regulations or the courts that keeps 99.99% of businesses from getting going. It is fear. Fear of failure. People don’t start businesses because they are afraid the might not succeed. Blaming the government (local, state or federal) for a business not being started and growing is 99.99% of the time pure, unadulterated BULL.

              And for the trolls here: before you respond, note that I am supporting neither Obama nor Romney in these statements.

            4. “Clearly you know nothing of the history of what is now called the Internet. It was NOT started by private industry or private citizens.”

              “I know personally how it was started and nurtured with taxpayer funds…”

              taxpayer funds = private citizens

              When (if) you Leftists ever get that through your heads, maybe we can start to make some real progress.

              “Don’t be afraid to see what you see.” – Ronald Reagan

              “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free” – Ronald Reagan

              “Entrepreneurs and their small enterprises are responsible for almost all the economic growth in the United States.” – Ronald Reagan

              “If you’re afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. The people of this country are ready to move again.” – Ronald Reagan

            5. 10-12 – Taxpayer dollars come from my pocket and yours. The question is whether the government can engage in worthwhile ventures that generally benefit our population. The space program, national highways, transportation systems and, in fact, the internet. There are ventures that the government will undertake that are entirely appropriate for it to attempt. It will not always work out. Unfortunately, we pulled the plug on our super collider and the European venture in Switzerland, CERN, now leads the way in this research. We do not. In any case, the scale of that venture and the lack of clarity of a return on investment made it prohibitive for private companies to undetake. Many companies that are “private” benefitted tremendously from the space program. Similarly, road construction, while paid for with tax dollars, is generally done by private firms.
              Here is another quote from Ronald Reagan:
              “When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn’t like it.
              “Compromise” was a dirty word to them and they wouldn’t face the fact that we couldn’t get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don’t get it all, some said, don’t take anything.
              I’d learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: ‘I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.’
              If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that’s what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.”

          2. … like a reduced tax burden, compared to everyone else, for the richest in the country.
            Especially those who fire American workers to move the jobs overseas.
            And, that “health care boondoggle” was originally called “Romney care”. I live in Massachusetts, I’ve heard that song for quite a few years, now.

          3. As an independent, I agree with the common generalization about independents – that we need to know something about the candidates to make up our minds.
            Obama has done many things I do not agree with, but also things that I respect. I think I have a handle of what to expect from him.
            I do not, on the other hand, know what to expect from Romney. Frankly, I am astonished and shocked the GOP would elect him as front runner. My wife commented the other day her impression that Romney has taken both sides of every hot-button issue – he is both for and against universal healthcare, abortion, gay marriage, (the list goes on…)
            Also, the red-staters propensity to latch onto every fallacious, logically-impaired argument and conspiracy has me tired of the entire lot of them. It would seem there are no adults in the GOP. (In reality that’s not true, but they are failing to reign in the more rabid extremists.
            So instead of voting for anybody but Obama, I’m voting for anybody but immature distorters-of-truth and evaders-of-transparency.
            In other words, Obama’s candor is a lot more attractive to me – an independent voter – than is Romney’s evasiveness.
            I’m wishing without hope that the Ron Paul delegates might stage a coup at the convention.

            1. Your not an Independent … your a liberal trying to pretend. Obama hasn’t been candid with anything he’s done … He’s lied about every aspect of his presidency. He gets up and says one thing then does another. Everything he said about the Healthcare bill, cutting the deficit, reducing spending, no earmarks, focusing like a laser on jobs, approving oil drilling in the gulf, all was a lie… and I can go on and on and on. The guy is one of the worst, if not the worse president this country has seen. He is with his policies, executive orders, and other nonsense destroying this country. If you have figured that out by now your not paying attention. Romney on the other hand, not my first choice, however, has been a success at everything he’s done. In business and as a governor. It’s not difficult to find this out … all you have to do is actually do a little investigation and not listen to the liberal media sound bites. Every time I see someone write the BS you did about Obama, like he’s some honest, misunderstood genius it makes me wonder why I put my life on the line for the people of this country, because too many of them don’t have the sense, honesty, and integrity to take responsibility that comes with living in a free society.

            2. Independent is right. Romney seems to change his views all the time. To be governor of massachusetts, he played very liberal and made his state have obsmacare. Now to be GOP president, he is acting very conservative. He adapts to the situation.

            3. The only problem with your statements is that the President has no control over anything you listed. He can get those items to vote, but ultimately it is Congress & Senate that determine what happens in this country.

              Everything Obama has tried to do, the GOP has blocked or severely hampered by forcing concessions. This is S.O.P. for Congress (regardless of Rep or Dem).

            4. One *big* difference is that Bush had a Republican majority in Congress for four years and actually *used* it to railroad through virtually every piece of legislation that he (or Cheney) wanted. And how did that turn out…not very well, precious. Not very well at all. Gollum, gollum…

          4. OK, so…
            Social Security is not a ponzi scheme and your use of the term belies you misunderstanding of the way t works.
            The ACA brings health care costs down as has been shown repeatedly by economists and the CBO.
            No unions were bailed out.
            Every administration has invested in companies. Some fail. I know that is very shocking to you.
            Bush took more vacations than any other president in history while creating this recession for us.
            etc, etc, etc.

          5. ““…investments” in ‘alternative energy’ companies that go belly up 10 months later.”

            Certainly you are aware that the exact same financial mechanism through which the U.S. Government provided money to those “alternative energy” companies was used under GOP administrations to provide money to build housing on the west bank in Israel — and the U.S. had zero chance of getting jobs out of those projects.

            You should do more research. And yes, I have personal, first hand knowledge of this because I’ve had coffee at the nearby Starbucks with the head and deputy of that agency several times over the years (and no, I didn’t buy their coffee). I spent several years working with them to get a startup funded through them when it was one that I could prove to that agency there was absolutely no chance of getting funded commercially.

          6. Your understanding of the world you live in is sub-moronic. Your understanding of Social Security is based on the nonsense of undereducated, non-fact checking drones who would have you do their bidding to completely eliminate the relationship between a democracy and its citizens. Social Security is not insolvent. It’s a myth. The numbers spewed forth by your “friends” are accounting tricks wherein they use one set of numbers to prove their point, ignoring the real accounting for the system. The GM bailout was necessary for more reasons than your little brain can handle. An entire industry depended on them staying solvent as an economic collapse caused by scoundrels who you seem to support was enacted. It turns out that the US government’s investment in GM will give us a net profit.

            Fact check yourself; and no talking points from tea party idiots with less education than your dog.

          7. Not sure I follow. It sounds like a bunch of euphemisms; an over simplification statement of a massively complex system where by one person, apparently, is to blame. In other words, fallacies of misleading vividness, half truths, straw man, red herrings, and false assumptions.

            In the end, you didn’t actually come to a conclusion.

          8. Relax. Your modest taxable income isn’t going towards unseemly projects and investments. Your taxes are being used to fund subsidies for the States and Corporate welfare.

            President Obama is prepared to announce he is cutting off all government subsidies to the States, effective October 1, 2018.

            No more funding for infrastructure or national guard. Maintain your own roads and defend yourselves. All your boys and girls are being sent home to defend your own borders and resources.

            I’m glad I live in California!

        2. I’m afraid “His Shadow” is right on this one. When I first heard the quote, I thought “No one can be that stupid. Not even Barrack Obama.” So I went and read the entire speech. He was speaking of infrastructure as His Shadow indicates. At the same time though, if you expand even further back on the quote, I take offense to the comments about there being plenty of smart people and plenty of hard working people around.

          This is not true. In addition he was pandering to his audience, essentially telling them, “If you’re not successful, it’s not your fault. It’s because no one has helped you.”

          Businesses, especially small businesses in this country are the foundation upon which our success is built. Entrepreneurial spirit, drive, goal orientation, the desire to win, creativity, vision do not come from the friking government, they don’t come from one or two good teachers, and they sure as hell don’t come from infrastructure.

          1. Bottom line: Obama thinks of government as the solution to most every problem, not the problem standing in the way of most every solution.

            Most Americans see government as the problem, not the solution. Most Americans are center-right and see the country differently than Obama. This difference was hidden by a complicit media in the last election. It is on vivid display this time.

            That is why Obama will lose.

            1. I like when people “bottom line” things because it is a statement of totality. Here’s the bottom line: there is no bottom line in an infinitely complex system such as our world. This black and white thinking people wrap themselves in is the problem. And worse, somehow, in this amazing world of information and the Internet, people can’t find the simplest of fact surrounding a situation. You can find anything you want on the Net and yet you only search for things that reaffirm your belief system; stay cozy in your world of… whatever.

              Something a lot of people misunderstand is that, here in the US, the people are the government. Yes, you are: “***We the People*** of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” You elect people to *represent* you in Congress and the Oval Office. So yes, if you understand your role in the government, which is society, is our country, and our civil duty, then the government can solve most any problem because it should have the most proper people representing the population. The problem is, we have many (not all) people who sleep with corporations, have their own agendas and the like and they are who run for office and get elected.

              “Those who seek power are not worthy of that power.” -Plato

              While many people see the government as the problem, well, they elected them and put them there. So go ahead an elect someone like Romney, and you can live happy knowing that you’ve elected the same as all the rest; a bigoted, corporate and rich serving, two-faced, double talking fool. That is to say, the exact kind of person who we separated ourselves from in 1776. If you think Romney is any better than Obama, you live in a dreamworld. If the government can not help the people, then the people can not help themselves.

          2. Well put Thelonious! Although I disagree with your conclusion that Obama was saying if you’re not successful, it’s not your fault. Rather, I think he was countering a dogmatic argument against government in every way shape and form – think Tea Party rally speech. Still, I always appreciate your comments because they don’t descend into baseless name calling as too often happens in political posts here.

          3. TM, they are intertwined. Despite all the bagger claims of a utopia where businesses can do whatever they want if government would just get out of the way, it just isn’t backed by history, fact, nor reason. We had those days, there was NO middle class then, just robber barons and serfs. Small business is disappearing in America, and it isn’t the government that is gobbling them up, it is big corporations, banks, and companies like Bain. It’s obvious you admire businessmen, thats fine, but they are not the end all be all of American ‘Spirit’. I admire teachers and scientists who toil for peanuts driven by a higher cause than profit or fame. They are typically rewarded for their efforts with derision and slight from know-all “businessmen” and science denying neocons.

            That teacher you were influenced by was paid by the government. She went to a college backed by government dollars, with research paid for with government dollars. The school was built with government dollars. All of which are more constructive ways to spend tax dollars than crony-projects, endless wars, and black-ops.

            And despite your pride in your accomplishments, if you were honest with yourself you would admit that help and luck had a lot to do with it. Right place, right time, right contact, right friend, right support from your family. Somewhere sometime, someone made you the man you are. You were inspired, influenced, motivated. Sure you need a fire in your belly, but your overly arrogant view on self reliance is BS and you know it.

            Obama is dead on (and I am NOT his biggest fan) in this instance and you guys still can’t let go of the vitriol and propaganda long enough to think about it. Look how hard you worked to find something to hate in his speech, you went looking for it, with your own agenda of validating your belief system.

          4. Businesses, especially small businesses in this country are the foundation upon which our success is built. Entrepreneurial spirit, drive, goal orientation, the desire to win, creativity, vision do not come from the friking government, they don’t come from one or two good teachers, and they sure as hell don’t come from infrastructure.

            I couldn’t agree more with that statement. Business is your religion and religion is infused into your money. The Fed is the Pope who loves to make appearances on the balcony of Wall Street’s opening bell.

            You’re thinking is myopic about what the government does. All of you, who haven’t at least worked in the government, have no clue. Government is so big, you can’t even begin to describe it using your own paltry vocabulary with anything more than straw men, so you attack it. Like they did the first time they saw an eclipse.

            Ooohhhh. Boogeyman.

            Have you thought for a minute how much this entrepreneurial spirit you speak of was endowed with the military’s one-off’s? Howard Hughes was the first entrepreneur who funded all of his pet projects using government cheese, preserving his wealth for posterity.

            I know, he’s a big fish, but Zuckerberg was a small businessman five-years ago and now he holds the pulse of millions of people and he’s sharing it all with the world. The point is, the way you glorify business is scary because I know the truth about business and business ain’t your friend.

            How many small businesses are there with their hooks in the government cheese? Suckling like pigs in kept pens while suffering from Stockholm Syndrome! Never mind about the sleazy small business crooks who are siphoning billions with bad intentions from Medicare and Social Security.

            Business in America cannot function without government resources! But if you’re going to take the cheese, then you have to be kept. How many business people in America are kept?

            Any business taking government handouts should put a sticker in the window, so that we know you don’t need our business because your set for life. We’ll go next door, k?

        3. Every country on Earth has roads and bridges. America is successful because of entrepreneurial spirit and free markets unimpeded by a government. We created it because of government oppression. Success despite the government is who we are.

          1. The number of Obama supporters scares me. How could anyone be so foolish as to not understand the socialist direction Obama is taking this country in and how dangerous to capitalism his policies are and miss how capitalism is the key to prosperity and a higher standard of living for all. It’s now the makers vs the takers. Dems and libs think govt is the solution to everything. Certainly Obama does. What foolishness. Government is the most inefficient uninspired way to solve a problem. The free market is always better. But there are too many takers now. I feel it. It’s over the debt is an Unfathomable figure. The economy HAS to collapse. And that is exactly what Obama wants. Prepare. You foolish liberals gave away your freedom. Your rights. Obama is crushing the American Dream. Govt creates nothing and it’s our tax money.
            Give me Romneys success. Obama never ran so much as a lemonade stand. And certainly not at a profit.

            1. Who really expanded government? Obama? Or Bush? Who signed the patriot act? Who lead us into wars to grab oil under the guise of WMD—then turned the whole affair into a war profiteering mess with political cronies as beneficiaries? Under which president did government spending actually explode? Bush. Remember the first bailout? Bush.

              Did democrats add to the mess? Yeah! Was Obama wrong about signing the second bailout? no one knows for sure, but most economists still say it was necessary. At least Obama had the courage to sign what he knew would be unpopular. Would you?

              And Mitt Romney’s success? you mean Bain Capitol’s record of exporting jobs to China and India at the expense of the American dream? Yeah thats REAL American values at work there. Besides Romney is so consistent on the major issues isn’t he? He was for Romney care, but now he is against Obama care, he claims he created jobs, but mostly exported them while getting massively wealthy through that practice of cost cutting. Don’t even start on taxes, the man is only out to protect his own bottom line and that of his wealthy friends. He sides with the rich multinational corporations that fill his campaign coffers, those companies have not a shred of loyalty to this nation or any other. All they care about is their stock holders. You can’t run a country like a business, THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.

              I agree that government often gets in the way of business, but thats only because we have a lot of voices calling for different action all at once. Our political infighting paralyzes us, but don’t forget the lessons of Enron, the housing crash or gulf disaster. When government deregulates too much, corporations run AMOK. There is a fine line we need to maintain in order to stay healthy.

              The real problem is lobbyists control our congress, run our media and distract us from the real issues by throwing distractions and obfuscations at us. The problems we face aren’t simple. Romney, Obama or congress is going to be powerless to change anything soon. Our country has descended into run on the bank mentality—short term gains at the expense of real solutions. The mentality is so pervasive in American culture its our biggest flaw from corporate to government. Everyone wants to see results, even if they are false positives.

              Good luck with Romney, if he wins I pray he does well, I know he would give it his best effort and I believe he would put the country first. However, please wake up and realize that yes, Obama is an american, just like you and I. He doesn’t have any secret agendas to tank our economy and he is also doing his best to do what he thinks is right for the country. You don’t have to agree with his policies, but that is the beauty of our system, the REAL strength of our system is our ability to change it.

              Vote in November!

          2. Perhaps you should pick up some history books and look at what the highway system and other BIG SOCIAL projects did for prosperity in this country.

            Your lack of understanding American History is staggering.

        4. Nice explanation, Shadow. It won’t help, though. Now that you have (temporarily) squashed this line of complaint, another one or two will crop up to replace it. The terminally unsatisfied are like cockroaches. They complain without limit, yet never seem to help solve anything.

      2. Learn to read and comprehend what you read then.
        Romney is desperate. He’s tired up the idiocy and lies to 11 but he’s already got the moron vote and reasonable people will see him for the liar that he is.

      3. The word “that” is what has to be in context. That in the Presidents comment was clearly to those who understand our language referring to the whole host of infrastructure that supports our way of life and the business that thrives within it. Any other representation is an attempt to misrepresent how our language is applied.

        So is the Romney camp uneducated and or stupid, not likely, or do they just believe you are enough that by misrepresenting others words you’ll be fooled.

    1. That’s bullshit. Businesses succeed because of the risk-taking entrepreneurs who built them. If success was predicated on government-financed (read: taxpayer-financed) infrastructure, then all businesses would be successful.

          1. That’s about all you deserve. You are verbose and emphatic, F10T12, but empty of worth. We have heard it all before, and heard it far too many times.

            Discussing things with you is like debating a waterfall – lots of stuff coming out and a roaring sound – nothing goes back in, no matter how reasonable, logical, or factual. WoT

      1. Your logic is INCREDIBLY flawed.
        So by your logic an entrepreneur can open a business far out in the country with no roads, no telephone, no support of any kind that he doesn’t bring himself and he will succeed?
        I know it is ridiculous thinking and completely nonsensical… but it is what you are saying.

    2. There’s no such thIng as public funds. Without the private sector the notion of public funds does not exist. If you tried to pitch an idea to venture capitalist 100 years ago with an description as such….” a combustible engine with 4 wheels that rides along side bicycles and pedestrians” With the amount of regulation we have today, investors would laugh you right out of their office”. Politicians and individuals who promote this sort of Govt are the same people that have never signed a payroll check on the front.

        1. Follow the bouncing ball……Private equity creates jobs which then creates jobs…..that translates into tax revenue. See where the ball begins it’s descent. The reason why we can’t move ahead as a country is because neither side wis willing to listen to the other side under any conditions. I refuse to make personal attacks on anyone. We are all Americans but make no mistake, both dems and republican’s are disappointing. One spends and one taxes and spends. Supply side economics has worked many times over. A bloated govt. has never ended well. Try to consider this…..The federal govt. was created for only two reasons. 1. To protect the America from threats “Both foreign and domestic” This is why we have state militia within the borders of a state and a standing army on the outside parameter. The other reason was “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happenstance. These ware the two only reasons for the formation of our govt.

          1. You leave a few things out.

            First, the government was created to provide for, among the other things you mention, the General Welfare. That includes all those things Obama mentioned above like roads, and other infrastructure, to include a regulatory environment designed to protect the American Consumer and allow businesses to do business in a safe environment that does not favor any particular type of business, like big over little, etc. In other words, a level playing field.

            Also, businesses do not just “create” jobs. Especially just out of thin air, even if they have record profits. They create jobs when they have a demand for their products which exceeds the capacity of their current workforce to provide for. That’s called “growth” in economic terms.

            The reason recessions are so damaging is that people lose jobs, and when they lose jobs, they have to stop spending, since they are BROKE. Giving tax breaks to the wealthy does NOTHING to stimulate jobs, since they already have money, but since there isn’t any excess demand, they aren’t going to spend any of it on jobs – why would they?

            Stimulus bills like the infrastructure bill, DO tend to create jobs, since it provides money for the government to contract with private firms to fix real, physical things, which takes real people to physically repair.

            Hence, those private firms must HIRE more people to work, thus decreasing the unemployment rate, and putting that money in those new workers’ pockets which they will then SPEND, thus spreading that stimulus money around the economy with each subsequent transaction.

            That’s how you begin to recover from a recession.

            1. The general welfare clause is to enact laws that PROMOTE the general welfare, NOT provide for it. Very big difference, you might want to read it again. And if stimulus bills create jobs, where are they? Why have so many green companies filed for bankruptcy and people lost jobs? ‘The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money’.

            2. There’s one problem with your argument…..You’ve asked someone to read. Libs leave it up to truly objective media outlets like MSNBC or CNN to educate themselves.

            3. This is why people like yourself never learn nor have ever signed a payroll check on the front. Keynesian economics has never worked…..please give an example of it’s success to prove your theory. Oh wait, the last three years of stimulus are a great example of this monumental failure. Wait…..I have the answer….We didn’t spend enough? You have obviously never taken Econ 101. There’s one example where taxes are at extraordinarily high rates an America still had remarkable growth. This was right after WWII. Why? Europe was dessimated and we had “No Competition”. The New Deal did not and I repeat “Did Not” bring us out of the Great Depression, WWII was responsible for that. There you go……Free Econ and History lesson all rolled into one. Your definition of General Welfare is an Abomination of the phrase. I love how liberals use it as a catch all phrase. Do your homework. Your whole argument falls apart with one simple statistic. There are more private jobs out there than is stated. Why don’t people fill them. Answer: The largest competition for the average employer in America is Unemployment. This is not conjecture. This is fact and can be supported by bipartisan groups like the General Accounting Office.

      1. You science denying dolts and your regulation fallacies.

        Clearly too much regulation is what enabled the housing crash and all the other wall street crimes..Enron, clearly came about as a result of too much regulation, no wait it was just the opposite of your pea-brained assessment.

        You like poison water and air? You like to liter too?

    3. To the American Dreamers,

      I can’t pretend to really understand the deep and very unsettling problems our great nation faces today. I am worried about the future my two kids will face when they are my age and trying to raise they’re own children. One problem I can identify is our nation’s inability to hold a respectful dialog about the issues, without insulting one another or our elected president, be he George W. Bush or Barack Obama.

      Regardless of the reality, we look to our presidents for leadership and responsibility in good times and especially bad. I think our recent presidents have faced some serious challenges, and I feel they honestly did what they truly believed was right for our nation at the time. I can’t honestly tell you whether Barack Obama is a good president or not, I can’t really tell whether George W. Bush was either. Not enough time has passed for the judgement of history (as former president Bush said himself) to render a decision. The problems our nation faces did not start with the election of Obama, nor did they begin with Bush.

      Instead of admonishing our leaders, we should focus on finding our common ground again. Stop pointing fingers like children, and move forward. I have seen many things Obama has done that disappointed me tremendously. I voted for him in 2008 for his high minded speaking about compromise and bipartisanship. I don’t know who started the bickering; I think it was going on long before he ran for office, but it has, and continues to get worse. President Obama has not risen above the fray as he promised he would. I feel that is his greatest failure as President.

      In regards to our current crisis, I feel that Republicans and Democrats are both equally to blame, and both equally disgusting. Mitt Romney seems to say whatever he thinks will make the most people listening at the moment, the happiest. His record at Bain Capitol is concerning. He is a successful business man, and exporting jobs has been the status quo in business cost cutting efforts for two decades now. As a result of all those jobs leaving our shores, more and more people face unemployment, lower pay, and a much reduced standard of living. The economy spirals out of control because common folk have less and less money to spend on goods that fuel its success. This trend has nothing to do with policies instituted by either Obama, Bush or Romney, but it is impossible for Romney to claim he didn’t attribute to this glaring problem or at least profit handsomely from this practice as people got laid off in favor of cheaper labor in other parts of the world by Bain Capitol.

      Republicans would have the American people forget that under President Bush, government spending skyrocketed, our deficits exploded and our nation tore itself apart politically. Corporations like Enron ran amok and ruined tens of thousands of lives, our banking system teetered on the brink of collapse and the housing bubble exploded, resulting in an economic shockwave that still reverberates throughout the world. No one can deny that these things happened on Republican watch, but Democrats had their equal share in committing these atrocities in the face of the American dream.

      Instead of bearing down on our recklessness, we borrowed even more heavily from the very people we gave our jobs away to. Instead of investing in our future (education, infrastructure and technology) we squandered our lead by waging unilateral wars and frightened our own people with propaganda to distract them. Our politicians tore at each others’ throats and lobbyists manipulated our future with money from multinational corporations with not a shred of loyalty to the United States, but only to their stock holders.

      As we rearrange the chairs on the deck of this beautiful ship, our America sails blissfully on, straight into iceberg after iceberg. I have no idea what needs to happen for things to turn around—really turn around, not another internet bubble, or housing bubble—I’m sick of bubbles! I’m tired of gamesmanship with the goals of only short term money grabs at the expense of our collective future. When are we going to admit that no one really knows how to fix this mess? Not Obama, not Romney, not Congress. Solutions for these problems are not going to suddenly emerge like a dreamer from sleep in the next four years through the magic of hope or someone’s election. People can say what they want. Cry about the issues they hold dear, carry signs and call out slogans. No single election will solve our problems.

      The only things I care about in this world, the things I hold most dear, are the two beautiful children who rely on me to prepare them for life… and the American dream. Without the dream, there is no hope, no future for them. Our polarized infighting has paralyzed us in the face of an extinction event. Our fight or flight reflexes have turned us against each other instead of the real issues. I don’t know how we’ll do it. I don’t know who will light the way—I don’t even know if the path is to the right or left. I do know the only way there is together.

      1. All Republicans are not George W. Bush. Tea Party Republicans, for example, are about as far away from Bush as you can get.

        Conservative Republicans want government entitlement spending reigned in and onerous, stagnating taxes and government meddling to be a little as necessary on supposedly “free” citizens.

        Your strawman argument that electing a “Republican” is “another four years of Bush” fails the test of logic.

        Would I rather have another Reagan, this time without a Cold War to fight and win by spending the Soviet Union into oblivion, you betcha!

        However, I’ll take Romney – a good man and a competent manager with experience (imagine that) – with a Republican House and Senate and a top-line promise that he makes at every stump speech and headlines his campaign site to repeal and replace the Obamacare boondoggle starting on day one over Obama/Pelosi/Reid any day of the week! I expect the conservative side of the Republican tent to keep the Bush-types in check – at least while we salvage what’s left of the country.

        Remember those wonderful “Clinton” years with budget surpluses? They were brought to you by a Republican House and Senate. And don’t you forget it this November 6th!

        1. “Tea Party Republicans, for example, are about as far away from Bush as you can get.”

          Yeah, and the way things are going, IF we get what you so yearn for, we will see a Tea Party dominated Presidency that will throw the elderly, women, children and the poor under the bus while funneling whatever money is saved into the pockets of the very wealthy who have NO reason to want to fix our political problems at all, so long as that money funnel stays in place.

          No thanks. Running a country is NOT like running a business. The two are very different – why else do Universities have two different degree tracks, one for business and one for non-profits (which is what government is)?

          What we need is what the gentleman above says – two parties that will work together, not a right wing bunch of Tea Party idiots devoted to keeping the ni**er out of the White House for four more years. Don’t ry to tell me that’s not what’s happening, all three top Republican leaders have gone on record – recorded – as saying that the TPO priority for the Republicans this term of Congress is to make Obama a one-term President.

          And everything they’ve done is devoted to just that. Obstruction, game playing, gamesmanship, whatever they can do to keep the economy from getting better so the numbers will still look bad in November.

          Then they nominate this “businessman” (who’s been running for President for eight years at least) who has the worst possible record to run on at this point in time, has a much lower personal approval rating than Obama, and who refuses to release his tax returns and is doing everything he can to distract from that refusal. None of which is likely to make his election any easier, or even likely.

          Top all that off with Republicans in the States backing as many batshit crazy ideas about abortion, contraceptives and who knows what other truly unpopular crap (like voter id laws) as they can and you’ve got a party that seems determined to blow this election.

          And those wonderful budget surplus years? They were brought to you by a Republican Congress and a Democratic President, meaning bi-partisan cooperation. Notice what happened to the budget and the debt once the Republicans got a Republican President too!

          Yeah, we need more people who care about the country, not putting money into the pockets of the rich.

      2. Very well said. Both parties are willing to drive us off a cliff because they are unwilling to ever admit that the other side may have a valid point on anything. They are all behaving like
        spoiled 5 year olds. I would say that we should vote all of them out of office, but I don’t think that their replacements will be any better (see the 2010 Tea Party winners).

        As for Romney, I am a very disappointed Republican. I own a successful business, and I would have no problem releasing every tax return I’ve filed in my entire lifetime, just as Romney’s father did when he ran for president.

        1. You can see Romney’s tax returns and Lib PACs can begin lying about them in TV ads as soon as Obama releases his:

          • State senate papers
          • Academic transcripts
          • Book proposal
          • Medical records
          • Small-dollar donors
          • The Khalidi tape
          • The real White House guest list
          • Countless FOIA requests
          • Health reform negotiations
          • Fast and Furious documents

    4. Mr Obama believes government builds & exists to rule over people/business/enterprise (socialist) as opposed to government being empowered & enabled BY people/business/enterprise (capitalist) FOR the people.

      His statements reflect his warped socialist views–particularly each time he cluelessly refers to the term ‘middle class’. He unfortunately did not mask/filter his terminology well enough to serve to the mainstream public on this particular occasion. In a 2nd term (w/ nothing to lose) you could easily see Obama becoming more ‘Chavez-like’ as far as nationalizing resources & assets.

      Though the radical turn may take longer in the U.S. than it would say in a Euro or 3rd world country, the direction will be set. This is the end game of his politics. Make no mistake about it. All ‘politics’ aside–he’s a dangerous cat & a threat to America’s survival.

      1. you got that right! What happened to pride in America and earning what you want! Better be careful before you know it these same left wing babies will be the first ones asking. What happened. Why can’t I find a job!

  2. You libs just don’t get it. This country I’d about the freedom to build something thru hard work
    I am tired of people thinking the government owes them something if you want something then go earn it! Stop asking for hand outs or wanting ti take from people who are willing ti work hard!
    The government needs to get out of our way.

      1. AND clearly all the ‘excessive’ government regulation got in the way of their innovation…

        You can’t tell these cons nothing, they are too close-minded and greedy to understand. A bunch of heartless, pollution loving, war mongering, animals with no class, no education and no shot with Mittens at the helm..

  3. By the way, no one is forcing any of you to read this site.

    If you don’t like the headlines, don’t click on them.

    If you don’t like the articles, don’t read them.

  4. If anything, this proves just how two-faced politicians are today. First Obama is saying that Steve, who had a company, built it from a garage, the next he’s saying that if you have a company, which (gasp!) Steve Jobs had, you didn’t build it. MAKE UP YOUR MIND OR WE’RE GONNA VOTE YOU OUT OBAMA!!!

      1. Not this time, vapid Lib.

        Straight out of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

        RULE 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

        RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

        1. 1) You just called the poster you responded to “vapid.” Sounds like ridicule.
          2) The poster your target was responding to referred to the President as “abomination.” This also sounds like ridicule, as well as personalizing and polarizing the target.
          3) You say that “Facts are Stubborn Things,” yet you are not arguing about what the President did or did not say.

          In general, I find that the right wing is far more likely to intentionally polarize than the left wing. The left wing is more likely to flaunt supposed intellectual superiority by seizing upon grammar or spelling mistakes.

          Can we please get past all of this?

  5. Can we just step back for a moment? He is knowingly blatantly lying, using an obvious misquote by taking it fully out of context, and that 40% of the country thinks this is alright. Seriously, are people THAT stupid and ignorant as to vote for such a person? Really? They want such a president? Like a bad boyfriend, do they think he’ll change in a permanent relationship? IT WILL GET WORSE IF HE’S ELECTED! Idiots!

    1. To the ignorant Republicans, if you read the quote, “that” is is reference to the nation’s infrastructure.

      “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. >>>>> If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. <<<<< Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

      The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

      So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

      1. Mitt certainly is spinning here, but even in full context Obama is insulting every self-made business person in America. Obama marginalized everyone who has worked extra hard or had exceptional intelligence to succeed. He said, “there are a lot of smart people,” and “there are a lot of hard working people.”

        Don’t you see that he does not understand the entrepreneurial spirit? Of course we need roads and bridges and a fair justice system, but it is the successful people who have special talent and special work ethic and take risks who pay for that infrastructure through taxation.

        The citizens and businesses feed the government. Tee government does not feed business.

        1. Obama says “you didn’t build that,” and you feel insulted, grammar issues aside. Well, perhaps I can understand that. When I read the whole thing, I focus on the “we’re in this together.” I’m a teacher, and when I see a student succeed because of the help I’ve given, I’d like to take some pride in that.

      2. So the liberal spin on Obama’s gaffe is that his use of “that” obviously refers to plurals “roads and bridges” and not singular “business”. I guess teleprompter sucks at grammar.

      3. No, Government did NOT invent the Internet. Private companies doing research under contracts paid for by government funds invented parts of the Internet but the Internet as we know it today was invented at private companies who invested their capital, time and expertise to develop the technologies that are incorporated into the multifaceted, millions of interconnected machines that make up the Internet. The government does not even maintain the servers that are the backbone of the Internet.

        Similarly, the government really has built very little of the infrastructure of our nation. Instead, that infrastructure was built by PRIVATE companies, or publicly held corporations who bid on contracts to design and build the public highways, water projects, and those few publicly own power systems, and the limited number of government buildings. The REST of the infrastructure was built by private companies, entrepreneurs, corporations, and the businesses of America who built them to make a profit! Not, as Obama thinks, by the government. Even most of our residential streets were built by developers, not by government entities, purely on speculation in the hope that the houses the developer would build on those streets would sell for sufficient prices to pay for the houses AND the streets, sewage pipes, water service pipes, and other infrastructure the DEVELOPER built, not the government. In the SAME fashion, an office or industrial park’s developer builds the infrastructure and incorporates those costs into his lease or selling prices for his real estate. Government has very little to do with it except to make sure the developer does it right. . . And that the planning and zoning is done correctly to handle traffic in the area, and that the developer is charged sufficient impact fees to handle the changes required to the surrounding area, which the developer will properly add as costs to his selling prices. This is Econ 101, which Obama flunked or never took in those college course the records of which he has hermetically sealed so that no one can know what he did or did not study, or passed, or flunked!

        1. Really? That’s funny because I am pretty sure the Internet was a DARPA project. Oh and the Web was created at CERN.

          See you confused the INFRASTRUCTURE with the services that run on top of it. Just like Romney.

          1. And DARPA was composed of CONTRACTORS, private companies, under contract… not government employees. Yes, the government PAID for the work, but it was private contract scientist, engineers, and workers who did the thinking, creating, engineering, and development… BUREAUCRATS invent nothing. Usually, they stand in the way. DARPA did not set out to invent the communications system that was developed to allow engineers and scientists to intercommunicate easily. They developed it to get around the roadblocks the system had put in place.

            Tim Berners Lee invented the Internet to solve a problem at CERN… his work was not sanctioned, specified, nor ordered by the management.

            The INFRASTRUCTURE it runs on top of was the phone lines at that time… put in place be private companies… again proving my point, although regulated by government, it is STILL not created by government.

            1. Actually the original ARPAnet project was milspec and did not run over open pots lines.
              Also, the fact that it was contractors doing the work is exactly the point. They do the work at the behest of the government, thereby stimulating the jobs market.

        2. In the context of the above quote, Obama never said the government was the one who built the roads. Someone did. He also listed several inspirational projects that would never have happened if the government would not have taken an active role, projects the America still benefits from.

          And since you say that “this is Econ 101,” perhaps you can explain the principles of Keynesian economics in times of economic recession to those who don’t know.

          1. Yes, I could (my degree is in economics), but Kensian economics has never worked because it requires that the government funds expended during recessions—whether from saved surpluses or borrowed for the purpose—be PAID BACK into the treasury by lower spending during boom times… which has never happened. Congressmen, both sides, cannot discipline themselves, to do it.

        3. As someone who was actually there, I can definitively say you have no idea about that which you are talking!

          The first nodes on the ‘net were universities NOT businesses. Businesses did not see any value or put any effort into the ‘net (that was not paid for by government funds under government contract and per government requirements and specifications) until many, many years after the ‘net was started.

          And I’m sure you’ve never heard of organizations like the WPA, etc. A huge amount of our infrastructure dates back to that era.

          1. I wasn’t there, but I did find this interview with Mr. Herzfeld on the actual intent. It’s a little different (sarcasm) from what the president claimed: http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl_Charles_Herzfeld.htm
            In essence, it was created by researchers out of frustration for the nonsense they had to go through to use available research computers. That they chose to come up with a solution and pitched their solution to funders is what ingenuity and entrepreneurship is all about. Let’s get back to that.

        4. Wrong. I was there. you were in diapers. The Internet was not invented. It was engineered. And it was the defense department who fostered the Internet. Our funding came from Uncle Sam.

  6. I think Steve would be covering his ears and making a press conference any moment if he was alive today!! FYI Steve wasn’t all about the money. At Apple he took a $1. yearly paycheck just so he could have medical coverage, and this was for many of his years there. Unlike Romney. He was a brilliant businessman, but didn’t need to reward himself with all the luxuries other CEO’s do. It wasn’t until Disney bought Pixar that he really became rich. And even then, he didn’t sit back on his billions, he got involved with that company and made it more successful.
    Study his history he was never for or a part of the Republican agenda. He was far too liberal for that. He was very pro Obama, and has always been a Democrat! So to hear him used as a campaign slogan by a republican I am sure he couldn’t stand would repulse him!! Plus Steve and Apple are for legalizing Same Sex marriage, just like Google, and Microsoft. All 3 took major stance against California’s Prop 8, in 2008. And again in this election in 2012. So I think Romney has got the wrong man in his sights.

    1. When Steve had dinner with Obama, Obama asked how to bring jobs back from overseas to America. Steve gave him standard conservative answers. He said those jobs are never coming back. He said that in the current climate of over regulation it was impractical. He told Obama if he wanted Apple to bring home any of the 75 or so billion dollars they have languishing overseas, that Obama should provide a permanent tax break for corporations.

      Jobs like to play the hippie, but when it came to business, he was rational.

  7. Who created the government? What came before the government? Everything the government does was built on the backs of people that made commerce. Commerce then government. Public Serveants tend to forget that they are “Servants” and not “Kings.” Government-Smartest dumbass’ walkIng. President is wrong.

    1. But you’ve left out the ‘why.’ If commerce doesn’t need government, then why would they allow it? It is for exactly the reason the President gave. “The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

      1. You missed the point. Government is the product of individual success that at some point in time needed regulation. These prior individuals created a body that could over see and balance this. The government that was created by the innovations of business and by the same innovative people. Making the government the secondary development of bussiness Government created nothing. Why should we look to the created and say the government will be the one that is best to choose for the creator. Business came first. Government was another innovation of business. Why say all that have created a business should not claim it as yours? Rather it was allowed by the government who built the roads,etc, etc… It was business that forseen these problems and crated the government so business could further expand more effectively. Government is a product and innovation of business. Which was created by it own methods outside of government.

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