“In New York, a noisy Occupy Wall St. protest against corporate greed gains momentum. In California, a billionaire tech titan dies,” Vanessa Lu reports for The Toronto Star.
“The two separate storylines from two coasts unexpectedly converged this week as an outpouring of grief over Wednesday’s death of Steve Jobs prompted a moment of silence at the anti-business protests Thursday night,” Lu reports. “Protest leader Thorin Caristo knows Apple products generate billions for the Wall Street he is protesting. But Jobs, who had an estimated net worth of $7 billion, was a pioneer who made it easier for people to communicate, Caristo said. ‘He was a beneficial member of the human community.'”
Read more in the full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Lynn Weiler” for the heads up.]
9 out of 10 of the “protestors” have no fscking idea WTF they are doing there and the other 10% are Dem operatives trying to astroturf a leftist “answer” to the Tea Party.
Thank you for attending this moment of truth, I now return you to the lies and manipulations of the left-slanted mainstream media.
Stop beating around the bush. Tell us what you’re really thinking!
And as we found out… Some are being PAID to be there.
Oh how ironic… FTB. Because I believe you’re paid to write that too
So, you love it when large corporate investment banks gamble with their money, lose big, and expect the US taxpayers to bail them out because they are too big to fail?
I didn’t say anything about what I love. I said:
9 out of 10 of the “protestors” have no fscking idea WTF they are doing there and the other 10% are Dem operatives trying to astroturf a leftist “answer” to the Tea Party.
I read what you said. It’s pretty much just regurgitating what the right wing talking heads have told you to think. If there’s one thing these protesters DO have in common with the tea party is a incoherent thought among them. They all have different ideas on what the problem is and what should be done to solve it.
However, considering the fleecing the US taxpayer took at the hands of the big investment firms, I’m glad someone is finally standing up to these crooks even if their ideas are a little off base.
As to your answer, it appears you DO like paying for other people’s mistakes.
Do you love government gambling with tax payer monies losing 500 million on a crackpot clean energy scheme, hello Solyndra? How about gov’t politicians that created the laws that forced bankers to loan money for houses people couldn’t afford and the bankers forwarded that risk to Wall Street and the mess you have before you all because of politicians! Maybe Occupy Wall Street needs to move to Occupy Washington, DC. Maybe they can be like Wisconsin and occupy the Capitol! Let’s see Obama and Pelosi show them “love” then! It’ll never happen though, becase those are their people.
$500 million? I much prefer it when George Bush gambled $3 trillion in taxpayer money with crackpot wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We piss away $500 million over there every few days. Brilliant.
Your mom called, she said to stop being a douche…
If telling the truth means “being a douche” to you, call me Mr. Massengill.
why would we accept your random blabber as truth?
To piss off a liberal tell them the truth.
To piss of a conservative tell them a lie.
Sorry chap, I think you got it backwards…
You sound pissed.
“Liberal” means the ability to think. “Conservative” means too dumb to think.
Who’d a thought Obama was a Conservative?!
You, of course, a person precisely fitting Tflint’s definition.
dud post Silly Being even the demonstators can see the difference between a company that benefits man as opposed to a corporate idealogy of ripping off the common man .
Poltical blame doesn’t cut it ! You have to ask who puts the government there ………
Applies to most place not just the US .
Funny, they don’t see the similarity between a corporation that “rips off the common man” figuratively and government that does it literally!
the TEA party protests are calling for less government. The occupy wall st crowd think they’re protesting corporate greed. The (illegal) federal reserve bank made more profit on the backs of Americans than ExxonMobil did the same year, but everyone was crying about gas prices. The bailouts are criminal, but they are give. By the government. In fact, as I recall, the government FORCED some of the banks to take the TARP money. Republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin, and the policies of Obama are very similar to Those of Bush with regards to the wars, immigration, bailouts etc.
I’m not saying that there isn’t corporate greed, but it is eclipsed by govt. greed. And there is are insidious forces behind the scenes organizing these protests.
“Poltical blame doesn’t cut it ! You have to ask who puts the government there ………”
Nothing could be more true! Most Americans have forgotten what it means to be an American. Most have forgotten what it means to be a good citizen. Instead, “What’s in it for me?” is now the battle cry of today!
Find a copy of the U.S. Army’s TM2000-25 on Citizenship from 1928. Read it, and learn what it meant to be a citizen of the U.S. before all the f*ckin’ psychos took over.
You Sir sound like an angry, seriously deluded individual.
I think your tin foil hat is loose…
These people aren’t anti-business. They are pointing to the fact that the rich, who are not only getting richer, are paying less in taxes rate wise than the 99% of Americans. CEO’s are also paying themselves more and their executives more while either laying off their workers or decreasing their income.
In their eyes, the American dream is being hijacked by these so termed 1%
America has the highest inequality of wealth distribution of any industrialized nation on earth.
The average American income is getting lower, their taxes are higher, and their ability to afford what was once affordable is lower. The rich, are paying themselves more, buying into politics, paying less taxes, hiding their money, not investing in America, not distributing wealth, and doing everything to protect their greed.
I’m gad the real America is finally taking notice and taking their efforts to the streets.
Unlike greedy companies, Apple isn’t laying people off when earning more.
So true, they aren’t protesting business, they are protesting Wall Street.
Those idiots haven’t a clue as to what they are protesting! That’s fine now that Obama, the professional communit agitator’s thugs are in charge, see Unions joining protest, while Administration gives a shout out…
The top 1% of income earners (people making $380,000 and over) account for just over 38% of total revenue.
The top 5% (making +$156,000) pay almost 59% of all income taxes.
The top 10% (over $113,000) pay neary 70%.
That means that 90% of Americans only account for 30% of the income. The bottom 50% (people making about $33,000 and under) pay only 2.7% of total revenue!!
The “rich” are carrying this country’s financial burden. What most people don’t get is that companies NEVER pay taxes!! Every time the gov’t increases taxes on a product, service, or industry, that tax gets built into the cost. So, WHO PAYS TAXES?!? The consumer, that’s who.
I’m sick of the class warfare line “pay their fair share.” Who determines what is fair? Is the “you have it, and I don’t, so you should share it with me” argument equal to fair? BOGUS!!
Exactly! Who gets to define what is “fair”?
We have a two house Congress because not even the genius of the Founding Fathers could agree on what was a “fair” way for citizens to be represented.
By equality with just two Senators from each state (analogous to a flat tax rate), or by population with varying numbers of Representatives (analogous to a progressive tax rate).
What I find ironic about any discussion of taxes is how almost no one questions the necessity of them… as if they were a given of nature like the earth, air or sky.
The truth is that taxes are human political constructs. Most (and particularly income taxes) are simply tools to exploit the labor of others for the benefit of a few (political leaders), self-deludingly rationalized and supported by most citizens as being necessary.
As the Bard said, “A rose by any other name…” Calling it taxation rather than theft doesn’t change what it is. This is why almost everyone (poor, rich or in between) complains about taxes. They inherently recognize it (even if they won’t admit it) as theft and there is nothing fair about being robbed.
Ever notice that almost the only ones who don’t complain about taxes are politicians (and IRS people)… except to say they aren’t high enough.
does it sting that the younger generation is coming up and organizing to remove the strangle hold biased bigoted stuck in the past elder generation had on politics?
It should- because this movement dwarfs the tea bagger movement. If they got their vote together it could literally change the face of american politics and your world decaying narrow minded ways will become a nursed sore wound that will never heal.
have fun misunderstanding what’s really going on in the world.
Anyone who is not a Billionaire and still supports Wall Street/Goldman Sachs is an idiot. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome! If you want to keep bailing out Billionaires that’s your “business”. What they do is technically not illegal, but it is certainly immoral and unethical.
🙂
It is quite the display of liberal reasoning, isn’t it?
You Americans make me giggle. I’m on holiday here now and the level of consumption of everything is nothing short of shocking.
Its freakin’ scary when you think about it. Well maybe not for yo7 but im stuck here for now lol.
Superior comment, Superior Being. Exactly on target!
Oh yes. Please save us from those who think values should actually be put into practice like “Love one another”, “Do unto others…” Hmmm. Supposedly christian ideas – pity the right way doesn’t do more to enact them. Much better for the world to return to the age of the robber barons. They care so much about us. Or just look at other countries where there is even less control over pathological greed. How’s that workin’ for ya? wink-wink
I would have thought that a superior being would also have superior language skills and not have to resort to using such a low vocabulary.
You Say You Want a Revolution
What do the Wall Street protesters want? You know, stuff . . .
F. D. ROSEVELT KNOWS WHAT TO DO. So reads a patch of the cardboard-carpet corner of Zuccotti Park, Lower Manhattan home base for the “Occupy Wall Street” protest. There was a second “o” above “Rosevelt,” with an arrow pointing between letters “o” and “s,” lest you think the erstwhile revolutionary who inked the sign is a few bongos short of a drum circle. When “the world is watching,” though, you should probably make sure your ace spell-checker is on duty.
The cardboard carpet is both adorably predictable and a little creepy: BILDERBERGERS WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE; MY PARENTS WERE FORCED FED A PREDATORY LOAN THEY COULDN’T AFFORD! THANKS HANK PAULSON!; WHERE’S MY FORESKIN? END MALE GENITAL MUTILATION. On one side, Japanese tourists take pictures and Scoop Bradys like me take notes; on the other, drab students scribble more bon mots, play guitar, or catch some shut-eye on a sea of cruddy tarps. There’s the obligatory drum circle to the east, a little cigarette-rolling enclave in the back. The ambitious give out pamphlets around the perimeter.
I chatted with some of the throng. All wanted me to know they were speaking only for themselves, not the group. So what’s the endgame here? “Uh . . . that’s hard to explain,” said Moses, a nice young man. His answer was a nonsensical roundabout, but he used the phrase “socio-economic” a lot. He implied he was unemployed, so I inquired about a dream job. “To be a decent human being . . . to not live in reaction to a market.” Gotcha.
Becca, a sweet “organic gardener” from Brooklyn, was there to “end a capitalist system that treats people like cattle” and live in an America where everyone has “equal wealth.” She wanted a country with a “high tax,” a la “Sweden and Finland,” to ensure “personal well-being.” (Those Scandinavian examples both have a much lower corporate tax rate—26 percent and 26.3 percent, respectively— than the U.S.’s 35 percent rate, but let’s not get hung up on details.) Then the irony gods flexed their muscles as a friend interrupted Becca; she handed him her Visa card to order something over the phone. The revolution will not be televised, but it will be magnetized.
Most everyone is aware of how unserious Occupy Wall Street is. The New Republic mocks it. Salon laments its fecklessness, and then curses Fox News for noticing it. Mother Jones sheepishly dubs the childish schizophrenia “The Kitchen Sink Approach” in a piece on the movement’s inertia. Nicolas Kristof of the New York Times, who must’ve seen Zuccotti Park through beer goggles, concedes: “Where the movement falters is in its demands: It doesn’t really have any. . . . So let me try to help.” He then offers some straight-laced financial bullet points, some nice tax n’ trade talk, as though the protesters just needed Dad to take off the training wheels so they can speed off by themselves into adulthood.
As much as the Zuccotti kids like to compare themselves with the “Arab Street,” they’re really much closer, I think, to their cousins across the pond. A Q&A with some of those rioters on the BBC swiftly became infamous. What are you all raising hell for, asked the Beeb, after two young girls giggled over their “free alcohol!” “It’s the government’s fault. I don’t know,” admitted one. “Conservatives,” chirped her friend. “Yeah, I forget who it is. I don’t know.” They eventually settled on an answer: “It’s the rich people, the people that got businesses, and that’s why all of this is happening, because of rich people. So we’re just showing the rich people we can do what we want.”
There’s this running gag on the Internet where, whenever someone makes a mountain out of a molehill—“GRRR! Glee sucking this season!!! FML!!!—someone retorts, “#FirstWorldProblems.” Three simple words, but they illustrate one’s lack of proportion with comparative ease. When life is exponentially easier for you than it was for most of the world throughout most of human history— right up until the mid-twentieth century—boredom creates a vacuum. To be a hero, you have to create your own dragon to slay. But fighting real oppression, the kind ayatollahs dispense daily? Too brutal, too gauche. Mastering the intricacies of credit-default swaps so as to articulate an effective reform of the broken financial system? Way too tough. Better to create a dragon that can only be slain with performance-art zombie metaphors.
Indeed, any honest contact with this group brings to mind some textbook Eric Hoffer, True Believer stuff:
The permanent misfits can find salvation only in a complete separation from the self; and they usually find it by losing themselves in the compact collectivity of a mass movement. By renouncing individual will, judgment and ambition, and dedicating all their powers to the service of an eternal cause, they are at last lifted off the endless treadmill which can never lead them to fulfillment.
New York magazine polled “100 protesters who are in it for the long haul.” The numbers: 50 percent of the group is aged 20-29 (a whopping 60 percent are under 30), 66 percent are male, and 55 percent didn’t vote in the last election (you might want to try the ballot box first, guys). The real takeaway is this, though: 34 percent are “convinced the U.S. is no better than, say, Al-Qaeda.” In other words, a significant percentage of this tiny-but-loud group of protesters are chasing a dragon.
Despite the copycat protests springing up around the world and bravos from Congress’s fringes, that’s not a recipe for an enduring movement. The “endless treadmill” has a way of tiring even the stalwart. I asked Becca how long she thinks she’ll make the trek to Zuccotti. “Well, it’s getting really cold,” she mused, non-ironically.
Ah, just what every revolution needs to succeed: a fair-weather friend.
Katherine Ernst
http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon1006ke.html
Perfect. Thank you.
Excellent answer; considered, eloquent and really well written. There are many on here who need to study this closely, then go away and shut up until they’ve at least learned how to spell correctly and form proper sentences. Whether they’ll actually get a clue about what’s really going wrong in the world is of course debatable.
Thank you, Katherine.
get help.
You might want to think twice before telling the whole world what a clueless moron you are.
What a nice gesture. Thanks!
Sleeping on the sidewalk and stinking up the place isn’t going to get you a job.
You want money and success? Earn it.
Thats the beautiful thing about the USA dickwad. They have the right so go cry about it over a 4 dollar latte.
Besides what good is a job when damn near every sh*tbag company out there is on a mission to make everyone a f*ckin’ indentured servant while 3 to 10 MBA rejects are up top cleaning the place out?
I can think of no better display of patriotism than taking it to the streets.
These f*ckers want to rob the entire USA? Then they deal with it when the whole country shows up on their doorsteps.
F*ck em’ its about time they felt some of the shit storm they cooked up.
Wake up – you’re not the 1%.
You’re part of the same 99% with the rest of us.
Communication:
Leadership:
Integrity:
Integrity is the under pinning of any great leader or boss. If they do not have integrity then it is not worth working for the company or organization. If you don’t have integrity then it’s not worth working for the company or organization.
Alan K. Simpson once said” If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don’t have integrity, nothing else matters.”
Integrity Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
The 7 Principles of Business Integrity
An example as I see it that companies a much as individuals should have integrity and these CEOs don’t. If they were awarded the raises by their board of directors then they should have the integrity to give it back or donate it to a charity.
CEOs of the 50 firms that have laid off the most workers since the onset of the economic crisis took home 42 percent more pay in 2009 than their peers at S&P 500 firms. Institute for Policy Studies
1. Soundness:
This refers to how healthy an opinion, argument, reasoning or a research finding is, implying how free it is from flaw, defect or decay.
Also, how free is it from error, fallacy, or misapprehension; exhibiting or based on thorough knowledge and experience; legally valid; logically valid and having true premises; agreeing with accepted views.
It also means solid, firm, stable and thorough; showing good sense or judgment based on valid information.
2. Completeness:
It means having all necessary parts, elements, or steps; highly proficient; totally, absolutely, thoroughly and fully carried out; including all possible parts.
3. Sincerity:
It means fairness and straightforwardness of conduct; adherence to the facts.
4. Honesty:
It implies a refusal to lie, steal, or deceive in any way.
5. Honor:
It suggests an active or anxious regard for the standards of one’s profession, calling, or position.
6. Probity:
It implies tried and proven honesty or truthfulness.
7. Incorruptibility:
It implies trustworthiness and truthfulness to a degree that one is incapable of being false to a trust, responsibility or pledge.
there is a huge difference between wall street businesses and traditional businesses such as Apple.
Wall street businesses “make” money, in large part, through manipulation and micro trading stocks in ways that add little or no value to our socioeconomic system. No micro trader, or derivatives trader has ever been able to justifiably explain to me how they add any “real” value to any traditional business or physical product.
Businesses such as Apple create real products that add real value to our socioeconomic system.
The protestors on Wall Street don’t seem to be anti business, rather they seem to be anti Wall Street. They are against the Wall street practices that are sucking the money out of middle class retirement portfolios and investments through computerized manipulations, and are transferring that wealth to a few very wealthy people who provide very little of value in return.
Apple, and the name Steve Jobs should never be mentioned in association with pseudo business on Wall Street.
And yes, I am very aware of the importance of finances, and the flow of money to the success of businesses. In my view, the lack of large financial institutions willingness to loan money to businesses that has been well documented over the last couple years makes it clear that it is the financial institutions who have lost sight of their role in a healthy economic system.
In this day and age, what with the easy access to information spanning most recorded history we have, it’s doubly embarrassing American “useful idiots” are so much more idiotic than their predecessors.
The progressive wing of the Democrat party cost Carter dearly, they utterly destroyed Clinton in the eyes of Americans, and they’re well down the road to flushing Obama down the tubes.
Yo! Progs? You’re tools (in every sense of the word), and since there’s no excuse for the ignorance you’re exhibiting, Conservatives applaud as they watch you fail to recall history.
Steve Jobs was as Progressive Liberal as they come. Was he an ignorant tool too?
You can keep telling youself that, but it’s simply not the truth:
Steve Jobs & Rush Limbaugh agree: U.S. public schools are ‘unionized in the worst possible way’
You should probably read the article you linked to, because in it Rush acknowledged that Steve was “a big lib”.
Or will you not even take Limbaugh’s word for it?
Seriously, agreeing with somebody who has some different viewpoints than you doesn’t mean that you forfeit your own.
You’d have to be pretty far in the brainwashing process to honestly think Jobs was a conservative…
Corporations and rich people create your jobs! Rich people buy products and services that your job creates. Rich people pay most of the taxes. 50% of households pay no federal taxes. Bottom line, lazy, godless liberal protesters need to STFU and thank America! They should all take PT jobs as speed bumps!
The real issue isn’t corporate greed, it’s corporate corruption. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to make more money. Some of these protesters don’t get that and unfortunately the real issue is being hidden under the rug as a result.
To your point about rich people buying products and services. IT’s sad if you think that 5% or even 10% of people in this country could keep the economy afloat. The middle class is eroding from the bottom up. Once the middle class is gone in this country the real engine of our economy will be dead, and eventually it will take it’s toll on the rich.
In other words, they should consider employing more Americans even if it means lower profits in the short term. Because in the long term it will allow our way of life to survive.
50% of households don’t pay tax because they don’t bring in enough income to be worth taxing.
Correction:
50% of households don’t pay income tax
They still pay sales tax, payroll tax (if they’re lucky enough to have a job), excise tax on phones, intangible’s taxes, etc, etc, etc. It’s a right-wing talking point that “they don’t pay tax”. It’s also a right-wing talking point that “Corporations and rich people create your jobs”: the past decade has shown prodigious rises in corporate profits, reduction in corporate effective taxes, and increased personal wealth of the top 1~5%, while the total number of jobs and the middle class wealth and income have sunk dramatically.
Wow! Just WOW!!!
And to think all those sales taxes, excise tax on phones, intangible taxes, etc., etc., etc. are not applied to the rich in their every day lives.
Heck, get rich to avoid sales tax!… makes me wanna get rich!
Not true. A flat tax would be fairer than any other system. Say, 15% – with no exemptions, no credits, no deduction, no nothing. Regardless of income, on flat rate for all. 15¢ on the dollar for the guy who makes $10K and for the the guy who makes $10B. No graduations, no adjustments. File your taxes on a postcard and you’re done.
Banks won’t lend and we’re not hiring until the uncertainty and Robin Hood mentality is removed from the Oval Office in November 2012.
After that, the U.S. economy will begin to improve and unemployment will decrease.
You’re delusional. The only thing that matter is employment in the US. Has far less to do with government policy unless you are advocating the government forcing corporations to hire Americans.
This toxic BS is not what the doctor ordered during the grief process. Talk amongst yourselves…
What a bunch of entitlement generation whips and infantile saps. Never had to lift a finger for the country or their community, and now being weaned on the tit of that clueless Kenyan fraud Hussein.
We will be rid of that scum soon enough. You entitlement generation cry babies will have to squalor in your victimization.
@x This generation is just what previous generation have done, their just doing it the way they know how to, through social media, which the previous generation created for them and which they used blogging.
WTF. Wing nuts. Right wing nuts. You mouth breathing knuckle dragger. The only entighlement deranged nut bags is the ubber wealthy who think it is great to sponge of society. Truth be told the so called welfare mommas make up almost a full zit on the elephant ass of problems we have today. The corporate welfare babies who make millions and scoff at the less fortunate. Some people have feelings and while they may not all be Christian Supremesist, some of the wealthy are liberals who remember when the wealthy gave more of a share of their wealth to the commons. These great people like Warren Buffet want to do more. People like Mark Cuban will never want for ANYTHING and yet they want to help the less fortunate. When I say less fortunate, I mean people like teachers, firefighters, police, army, FBI, CIA, FDA, FDIC. the space program, our failing bridges, highways, creeks, rivers, sewers systems, train systems , the post office..border patrol..(oh wait scratch that last one). Whine whine whine. You complain about liberals scratching for some of your hard earned money and screw anyone who disbelieves. People to you I say take a look at yourself. You are pathetic. You have small man, small dick syndrome. Just admit that you think you will be a 1%er one day. You think you will reach a state of entitlement. That super rich and that the govment gonna take all away. My fellow citizens please look at history. Don’t be naive. You wish you could sit around for years and get $200 a week from the govt for doing nothing. You don’t think it is wrong that a Wall Street trader can make 100s of times that and pay little or no taxes while someone living in poverty…F’poverty. They didn’t invent the computer. They didn’t invent TV. They didn’t graduate fifth grade because both their parents died and they had to raise the baby. Lets pick on them. They are already broken people. Lets just reach in and take a few cans of beans out of their pocket. Lets make sure they don’t drink or do drugs because their life is so exciting to begin with. Douche Douche. Or Double Douche on you. So called conservatives with no souls are better descriptions. Yech. Yes..I’m sad and intoxicated. Steve please say that they will create a Steve Jobs experience at Epcot in the near future so that your hologram image can endure the ages.
@Turdman
Was that rant fuelled by THC, Red Bull and a little bourbon.
Is there a way to make your point or express your views without profanity or name calling
I’m sure there is
I like reading the different points of view as it helps me to form my own opinion
Some are extremely well thought out and I end up learning or attest have my eyes open to a different view
Thanks
Who were Steve’s heros? John Lennon, the crazy ones? Watch the ad and tell me who he saw as worthy? An African American Muslim, an anti-militarist Jew, a Hindu anti-colonialist. Did you hear Randy Newman singing at the 2008 Expo? Steve wanted to marry Joan Baez. The man was a Buddhist. You can connect the dots.
A Catholic priest once told me conservatives worship dead radicals.
I look forward to Steve’s bio, and deeply wish his children had his living presence to get to know him instead of a book. But Bless his courage to give Isaacson complete control over the book.
This is an excerpt of a something I posted on Tofugu (a language learning website) pertaining specifically to Steve’s relationship to money(http://goo.gl/Kb3Bi):
“Like Howard Roarke (Ayn Rand/Fountainhead), Steve was a Businessman in spite of himself, he seemed to act in spite of his wealth, and in spite of traditional business thinking. Paradoxically, this approach to business and life, made him incredibly rich—rich enough to quit, at any moment.
When he was 25 he was worth 100 million dollars. When he sold Pixar he was a billionaire. When he found out that his Cancer had returned in mid-2000’s, no one would have questioned his decision to step down. He quite literally had NO reason to keep working at Apple, but for his pure enjoyment of working on new products.
Apple was not a power trip or egomaniacal toy for Jobs: it was his passion. We all want to find that thing in our own lives, that makes us giddy to get to ‘work’, giddy to discuss, and learn about and work on. In many ways, we’re all jealous of Steve, for his unique mind, and his unbelievable discipline, and exceptionally high standards, and his love for … something that goes far beyond the material world.
When Bill Gates talks about Computers, he uses words like Standardization, Opportunity, Capitalize, Marketshare. Sorry to polarize and oversimplify these two guys, but the perception that they were completely opposite (even if it’s not true: perhaps Steve was just the cool workaholic who dropped Acid and Bill is the nerdy workaholic who didn’t) is why I think the public is so gutted right now, and may not have such a reaction to Bill.
Like Howard Roarke, Steve Jobs was the enlightened one, not because he was smarter than everyone else, but because he would rather do nothing, than produce middling products– it’s a seemingly self-destructive policy of exceptional high standards of design, finish, synergy, speed, and…well, zen, that anyone else in the world would abandon at the first sign of struggle, and compromise. Steve never did (ok, iPod Hifi and the Hockey Puck mouse were pure shite, let’s be fair), and if that doesn’t inspire you to greatness, I don’t know what ever will.
Rest in Peace you Crazy Fucking Genius.”
To think this guy worked during the final stages of cancer and did not step down until damn near the end….
It was not money that drove him.. he had plenty..
He was on a mission to change the world, to put a dent in our universe and he was driven by pure love and passion for what he did.
What an insanely great human being.
Michael… you are a man I would be honoured to call a friend. You are very clear thinking and eloquent in your communication. Well written, Mate.
I find it also interesting that Steve Jobs only tool USD $1 a year salary. Who else in the tech industry – or any business for that matter has done that?
It wasn’t just that he had other resources, it was that Apple was his absolute passion. The value was beyond the money he could have easily demanded for the gifts he gave to us.
Cheers.
Meg Whitman is now on $1 salary at HP.
lol I think its funny that someone would try and spin this into ‘anti-business’.
Wall Street did a great job brain washing a lot of folks. Its like the wizard of Oz up there in New York I swear.
If watching your fellow citizens take to the streets and protest upsets you because you feel that they are simply ‘poor uneducated losers who can’t find work’ then maybe you need to get honest with yourself and admit that you are a big part of the problem.
I make good money, damn good money and I’ve been living pretty darn well during all of this but I’m fed up with seeing unemployment climbing and my fellow Americans (especially the younger generation) slaving away for a future that pales compared to the past.
Its like I could honestly tell my kids right now “You are going to have it far harder than I ever did and you will find far less opportunity than I had” …. I would feel that I was being honest if I told them that right now…. That would be the reality that is coming.
WTF is the point of supporting a system like that?
I guess if it keeps going the wrong way long enough we can just burn Wall Street to the ground and start over…. By the time it reaches that level we’ll need the buildings to keep the burn barrels going at night anyway.
Couldn’t agree with you more. With the money you have…I hope you invest the hell out of it and get good insurance policies so that when you pass, your kids won’t have to work so hard.
“Anti-business” is just the wrong word… But, if someone wants to go on waisting its life just for the glory of the (sinking) $… well, go on folks… and let’s have blindocracy rule!
I’ve heard and read everything but I am certain they are barking up the wrong tree but, they arent far off. Here is some food for thought:
The Federal Reserve System has never EVER done what it was designed to do, which is to stabilize the economy. The System has failed it’s stated objectives since early 1900’s. It is incapable of achieving its stated objectives because, they were never it’s true objectives. It is just a government facade. It is far from being the protector of the public, it is a cartel operating against the public! The public will always be sacrificed.
The Federal Reserve is a legal private monopoly of the money supply operated for the benefit of the few under the guise of protecting and promoting public interest. Since it’s inception in 1910 it has presided over the crashes of 1921 and 1929; the Great Depression of ’29 to ’39; recessions in ’53, ’57, ’69, ’75, and ’81; a stock market “Black Monday” in ’87; and a 1000% inflation which has destroyed 90% of the dollar’s purchasing power.
When banks or any large business become insolvent who is standing by with a checkbook? The Federal Reserve, “the lender of last resort”…but not without the business/company crying that, “it is too big to fail” to Congress first. But there has been a time when they did bypass Congress. (Think S&L Fiasco – Congress was quiet for a reason. Many of their benefactors were people in Savings & Loans.) They bailed out Penn Central, Lockheed (1970), NYC (1975), Chrysler (1978), Commonwealth Bank of Detroit (1972), First Pennsylvania Bank (1980), Continental Illinois (1980’s), Subprime Meltdown (2008), Bank Bailout ($700 Billion was really $5 Trillion), Auto Bailout….
Nationalization has become a reality. This new business model in America is becoming recognizable. The dominant feature is the merger of government, real estate and commerce into a single structure controlled tightly at the top. It is the same model used in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Communist China. Does that blow your mind?
Why are we letting these buffoons run the country? They never get fired for doing a lousy job…they just say, “The taxpayers will cover it!” aka Federal Reserve, “the lender of last resort”. We keep bailing out these large companies which drive our inflation rate. It has killed the middle class.
This happened in Germany when Max Warburg (who resembled Little Orphan Annie’s dad, Warbucks was a play on their last name too) was the financial adviser to the Kaiser who became the Director of the Reichsbank in Germany. This was of course the Central Bank, and it was one of the models used in the construction of the American Federal Reserve System. Incidentally a few years later the Reichsbank created massive hyper-infaltion that wiped out the middle class and the entire economy as well. Sound Familiar? I smell insanity.
Let me also point out that Paul Warburg (Max’s Brother) was the mastermind behind the Federal Reserve of the USA which he helped create with Senator Nelson Aldrich (Republican), and 4 others who were in the financial & banking industry that had a secret meeting on Jekyll Island in 1903. Those folks were: A. Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury; Frank Vanderlip, president of the National City Bank of New York; Henry P. Davison, senior partner of J.P. Morgan Company; Charles D. Norton, president of the Morgan-dominated First National Bank of New York; Benjamin Strong, lieutenant of J.P. Morgan; and of course Paul Warburg of Kuhn & Loeb. All financial players from NYC. This is where and how the Federal Reserve System was planned out. All the bankers (cartels) met up and made a deal hence the Federal Reserve Act of 1910. The rest is history, go back up and reread what the Federal Reserve was meant to do. Remember, it is just a government facade.
LETS FIND COMMON GROUND to move the discussion forward.
Steve Jobs was a conservative in many ways.
Self Reliance
Education
Family Values
Less Government
Strive for Excelence thru knowledge and hard work
And a liberal in many ways
He loved Nature and Natural Beauty
Protecting and enhancing peoples lives
Lets find common ground.
Government is to big and wasteful
The uber wealthy are to powerful and take to much
Less is More
Education is Mind Power
Gov. appeases Poverty instead of finding solutions
Name calling and Demonizing is non-productive
Ignorance is not bliss
Favoring one group over another is wrong
Laws are to be enforced or Chaos results
Finding common ground is indeed the only way forward in these deeply troubled times. “Conservative” vs. “liberal” is exactly the kind of dull-witted, black-and-white thinking that perpetuates divisiveness and impotence. When India was occupied by the British, it was said that if all the Indians would spit at the same time, the British would drown. Arguing among ourselves accomplishes only one thing: It allows the forces of greed and corruption to move forward without resistance while the rest of us are distracted by trivialities.
Regardless of your political affiliations and particular view(s) on these protestors, so many of you seem to have missed the most profound point of the article: protestors have made an exception for an exceptional man, out of respect.
Instead of hijacking the thread for your political biases and agendas, I wish so many of you had the decency to show the same level of respect and courtesy to appreciate the man. It would have been a show of decency, it would have been classy.
It’s not too late.
Well said @krquet, thanks.
Thanks krquet. Well said.
So here’s what I think the Occupy Wall Street folks should demand:
1. That every elected official at the local, state, and national level take a “No Lobbyist Pledge” They can’t accept phone calls, emails, gifts, dinners, trips or cash from any lobbyist or trade association, and neither can anyone on their staff.
2. Term Limits. 3 terms for the legislature, 2 for the senate, and a 4 year waiting period before changing houses.
What will come of it? probably not much, but if I were the anyone involved with the Temperance Movement, which is what I now call the right, I’d be just a bit worried since I think most people blame them for the dismal state of the economy.
Liberals r ruining this country! That’s why terrorists, bums, criminals, atheists, pedophiles, hollywoodc socialists, communists, illegal immigrants, abortion supporters, polygamists, union thugs, homosexuals, etc. all vote democrat! It’s a fact. Liberal = Destructive. Liberal = Victim. Liberal = Godless. Liberal = capitalism hater. Liberal = military hater. Liberal = intimidator. Liberal = HATER! Undeniable facts!
I bet the inverse is true…
The bottom 10% freely utilize 70% of taxpayer supported government programs and services!
And all without a single thank-you from them. The ingrates!…
I really wish Limbaugh would stop endorsing Apple products (one of the very few subjects in which he isn’t a spin doctor). I’m so tired of reading comments from such shallow-minded fools as Superior Being (pompous much?) and First 2010. Their extraordinarily loud and ignorant rants are ruining this site for free-thinking folks like myself.
You want to wallow in delusional leftist groupthink? Go watch MSNBC.
Let me know when you come up with a superior argument instead of flinging poop like a stupid monkey. I don’t watch anything on tv that pertains to politics because the media has been hijacked by this notion of “us vs. them”. I don’t identify myself as either left-wing or right-wing. I identify myself as an American, something many people seem to have forgotten is the common ground we all share. I don’t need someone on tv to tell me what I should believe, I think for myself. You should try it sometime. Maybe you won’t seem like such an ignorant, pompous, know-it-all a-hole.