By SteveJack
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SteveJack is a long-time Macintosh user, web designer, multimedia producer and a regular contributor to the MacDailyNews Opinion section who gets paid by the article, not the word count.
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but…. they wouldn’t be able to complain….
or file one of those online petitions (that rarely, if ever, work)
Online petitions are nothing more than a list of people who agree with the petition’s argument. They are not legally valid for anything other than folks ganging up on some entity and presenting a group opinion.
There are lots of these: Sign here to impeach Obama, Sign here to Recall Bachman, etc etc. They are more a “feel good” thing that ordinary folks like you and me think will affect change. The recipients of these petitions usually toss them in the round file.
Apple, please listen, here is a quick fix for all your problems!
CHANGE THE F***ING NAME! for anything that doesn’t say FINAL CUT, and people will realise it is indeed a different and new product. done.
It’s not a name issue. We don’t care what Apple calls it. It’s also not a money issue. We don’t care for refunds or if Apple adds what’s needed and triples the price. It’s also not a UI issue. Most of us love the new UI, 64-bit, speed and everything else about it.
The issue is that it needs the pro features that pros have come to rely upon. Specifically, it needs the ability to import projects.
The quick fix for all of Apple’s problems is to put FCP7 back on the market. Then announce that FCP7 will remain on the market until an announced set of features are implemented in FCPX. At the very least import should be on that list. Then they should communicate when they expect this to occur. A year is reasonable, but whatever it takes, as long as it’s an honest an open communication and they follow through with it.
The key here is communication. Apple didn’t do this ahead of time, and they’re failing at it now.
I thought that site was for SERIOUS causes, guess I was wrong.
Get a life whoever started and signed the petition!
X2
I’m sure Apple would be perfectly happy selling licenses for the old Final Cut Pro at $1000 a pop, if you REALLy twist their arm…
But Apple would rather have 10x more Mac users getting into high-end video editing for the first time, for only $300 (and a less steep learning curve).
High end? Get real. If you knew anything about the many workflows associated with “high end” editing you wouldn’t be talking that way. It’s precisely because Apple 1st promised us a revamped Pro tool and then didn’t include the majority of the tools necessary to work in a high end or collaborative editing environment that pros are pissed. We can’t upgrade. That also means we can’t add seats to our current facilities.
The interface is slick and fast. But it is missing the very features that made it pro. Have fun trying to get your project out for audio sweetening, color grading and FX. Color (the app) is MIA. So is STP. So you can’t even do initial grades or sound staging before being sent out. Oh wait. You can’t send it out anyway.
Yeah we’re just bitching for the hell of it.
It’s “high-end” compared to iMovie. 🙂
You’re bitching because you’re talentless hacks who have been trained to do things one way, and are so freaking scared of the future that you can’t be bothered to spend an hour with the new product and learn how it does the same things you’ve always wanted to do… and so instead, you run screaming to the internet to cry like crybabies, while pretending that you’re too “professional” to use a really good tool.
Fact of the matter is, you guys all sound like amateurs. You use “professional” as if it was a justification to make up arbitrary demands and claim that anything that doesn’t meet them is not “professional”— its nonsense.
Crybaby amateurs gonna cry.
The real professionals– they’re busy learning FCP X and will be taking your jobs from you over the next couple years.
I went to film school in NYC in a class of roughly 50 people. There’s a listserv from the school which serves hundreds of us from all the recent classes. I can tell you EVERYONE is jumping ship. These are people who switched to Mac from PC just so they could use FCP. I can promise you this is happening everywhere. Apple is losing EVERYONE here. They could have done a gradual transition but are going to lose the market to Avid and Adobe if they don’t change course.
Um, they’re a little late, aren’t they?
i don’t know why people are acting like they are forced to upgrade and us X. You’re right they can use the old program. Why doesnt any reputable the site state that one fact, use the old program.
well didn’t they pull the latest final cut suite? that implies that they’re not going to support it any longer. eventually, the content on message boards and forums would eventually become fcp x heavy and fcp7 users would begin to feel like 2nd class citizens.
keep fcp x just don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
Something like us aluminum AppleTV owners that Apple seems to have completely forgotten about?
Tell me about it.
Imagine a post production house that owns 10 computers running FCP 7, a big job comes up and you need to install 2 more computers… Oh wait, apple doesn’t sell the licenses anymore or provide a program which offers the same level of capability… Damn. So to get to 12 computers running an ecosystem which will allow separate machines to easily talk to each other, you need to throw away EVERYTHING you have invested in plugins and software, which is very expensive, and start from scratch… With no warning or period of transition… I say, develop FCP X, I’m excited to see all the great new things they will do with it! BUT, continue to support the companies and individuals who have invested so much. It wouldn’t be that hard, then as time goes on, the switch will happen more naturally instead of like a system shock!
Every professional I know is upset, most are interested about the possibilities in FCP X over the next few years, but feel they’ve been screwed big time! Apple must fix this!! It’s just cold hearted and mean…
Really?
All these petitions seem really dumb. I think Apple gets the message. They never issue responses till they have decided on a course of action or in the very least have decided how to fully explain their intentions.
Final Cut Users,
I’ve been using this product since version 1.2. Stick with 7 till Apple addresses the issue. Then, God forbid, move over to Adobe or wait till Apple puts out a roadmap for adding the features you want or need. They did a pretty big thing with Final Cut X. They rewrote it, from the ground up in the way they rewrote the operating system. It’s not backwards compatible in the same way OSX wasn’t. I believe they are readying it for the future. Apple will listen to its customers. In the meantime, we don’t have to be assholes about it, demanding our “rights”. We have rights only to use the products we’ve purchased, not to dictate what they create for us to purchase. Me? I haven’t purchased yet. That’s how I’m making my voice heard.
@xj,
“It’s not backwards compatible in the same way OSX wasn’t.”
You couldn’t be more wrong here. Apple released a roadmap for OS X way in advance. There were beta and preview versions of OS X long before it went public and longer still before it was proclaimed as ready for prime time.
Apple released OS 9 as a transition OS where developers could write universal binaries that would run on OS 9 and OS X before OS X was released.
After OS X was released you could run OS 9 apps in classic mode, or reboot into OS 9. It was years before Apple transitioned by removing OS 9 booting and later classic.
But even then, your data could still be imported. Your MP3s, your JPGs, your Docs, etc… Pretty much everything simply opened in OS X based apps.
Heck Final Cut projects survived transitioning from Macromedia to Apple, could be opened on Windows or OS 9, opened on PPC OS X and all the way up to Intel based OS X. So you’d think they could handle this transition while allowing at least some level of compatibility.
“Then, God forbid, move over to Adobe”
Ya, cold dead hands and all that goes with it. Petitions may be dumb, but the louder the community cries, the more likely Apple is to change. Yes, they’ve done it in the past. Yes, they have people who’s jobs it is specifically to provide feedback reports from a variety of sources (I know people who do this) and petitions and even blog comments count.
“We have rights only to use the products we’ve purchased, not to dictate what they create for us to purchase.”
I’ve seen many comments, but not one suggesting we could dictate this. On the other hand, we have freedom of speech, and the louder we yell, the more likely Apple is to respond.
It’s the difference between FireWire and Floppies. People whined, complained, and petitioned. Firewire came back. Floppies didn’t. Although Apple *did* make adjustments in regards to floppies in terms of zip and CD-R drives in response to consumers demands for some kind of portable media.
Apple released FCP X in preview releases, both publicly at NAB and then privately to REAL professionals.
They all seemed to love it, by the way.
Cry on, crybaby!
@Engineer,
Where did I say that FCPX wasn’t previewed? At NAB it wasn’t publicly preview released, it was just previewed. Previews were also given to reviewers and certain developers, but numerous film and tv studios were not given copies or anything else beyond the previews.
OS X was available to anyone *years* before the transition. That included developers, IT managers, and even consumers.
That FCPX was *previewed in demos* misses the point entirely. That is to say that OS X had a lengthy transition with a full path for existing content and even most apps, whereas there’s no transition path whatsoever for FCP projects.
“They all seemed to love it, by the way.”
Yes, reviewers did love it. We all love FCPX in of itself. However, any pros that need existing FCP projects simply can’t use it *and* many of the features pros need were not revealed to be missing during the demos.
Because they’re like Greenpeace – no big stink about something Apple related = no press.
+1 Thanks for the chuckle!
So… a group called Change.org is actually resistant to change?!? Ironic. Next thing you know, pro-choice groups will actually favor choice – even if that choice means actually having the baby. The end is near!
This is Apple you’re deal with.
Let me know how that whole petitiony thing works out for ya!
YOU voted for change … Now you got it!
Best. Take. Ever.
NoChange.org
Unless you are a professional editor who has been screwed by apple, shut you holes. It’s easy to sit there and call everyone who’s complaining a bunch of cry babies who are too lazy to learn new software. This is what people’s business’s and livelihoods revolve around. Apple just completely changed the program taking away essential tools for pros. Just like xserve apple just gave the big f u to their professionals. Of course people editing their family videos don’t care. Avid will be getting a lot of new business i suspect.
XServe wasn’t selling.
Rumor is the new Mac Pro will be rack mount, or option to be.
Sorry, I didn’t know Apple Broke into your bank account, took $300 and then FORCED FCPX onto your Mac without your knowledge. I forgot that FCP had OTA updates and was FORCED down every users throats on day one.
I am sorry that you, being the “Professional” that you are, didn’t read LONG BEFORE the release of FCPX, that there were changes coming… And I’m Sorry Apple wouldn’t allow you to READ those changes PRIOR to purchase.
I’m sorry you didn’t READ that some of the key things NOT in FCPX that people are bitching about… ARE coming to FCPX but were not ready to be launched with FCPX due to the massive changeover.
I’m Sorry you never were able to read ANY reviews, by anyone.. until after the purchase.
Should apple have waited to take FCPX out of the Oven till it was 100% cooked? probably.
Do you hold ANY responsibility for you not doing ANY due diligence prior to the purchase?
Nah, what am i thinking… It’s always someone else’s fault…
keep drinking the kool-aid jackass
Yet the only people acting like jackasses are so-called “professionals” who are doing their very best to throw angry tantrums and calling everyone names instead of acting like reasonable individuals.
“keep drinking the kool-aid jackass”
Keep proving that you’re just another basement-dwelling gamer/hater/creep.
Gamer? You sir need to go back to insult school. Now back to my World of Warcraft. WTF?? 😛
+1
well said!
From what I understand fcp x does not offer tools that people still using tape “need,” but does offer important upgrades for people using more modern mediums.
I use Embarcadero’s Delphi 2007, not their latest software – Delphi XE because the application upgrade path does not work. I am not complaining – I’ve got a great software application that does exactly what I want.
grow up cry babys
OK, professional here.
The ones crying like babies are idiots. FCP7 still works and in the meantime Apple just gave us the beginnings of an amazing new tool that will within 18 months have all the features and more that people are whining about.
I have never, NEVER, met an editor that would jump to new software without beating the hell out of it to get the ins-and-outs down so they could work blind-folded in an edit suite. I worked with some shops that used three year old Media Composer suites and didn’t want to upgrade because the new version “wasn’t really ready”.
Does that sound like the same kind of people? Doesn’t to me. My guess is this charge is being let by Adobe and Avid astro-turfers with some knee-jerk editor types thrown in to the mix.
You just don’t switch tools that fast people.
Fine, then wait until it’s usable to release.
Apple has clearly violated “The Bobo Protocol”
Having a bad day? Yogi yell at you? Oops, my bad, not enough o’s. How’s the circus? So you know someone who is a professional editor? Who’s making them use “X”?
You are correct. Anyone who switched is an idiot to put it mildly. But Apple isn’t giving anyone a choice. Just continuing to use 7 is fine as long as we don’t have to add seats. If any ONE of the jobs I’ve bid recently comes through I will have to do exactly that.
So Apple has made the choice for me by discontinuing a product without a REALISTIC UPGRADE PATH. There is nothing knee jerk about wondering how you can grow your business without access to the appropriate tools. This just one thing that makes Apple unsuitable for big business – no reasonable roadmap. They told us one thing, sorry, but I was at NAB and then delivered something else. No one expected it. Nor did they expect the tool they were using to be REPLACED before the new tool even had a fraction of the necessary functions to be able to fit in the workflow of collaborative post houses.
I’m going to make a f’ing fortune with the FCP 7 seats I own by selling them. Hell, I won’t need any clients or FCPX for a year probably if the people clamoring for seat licenses get all these huge jobs they claim to be. Right about the time I spend my fortune down to $299, FCPX will be ripe for the pickings.
I love Apple.
heh, i just clicked the link to see the “petition”
a Whopping 17 signatures.
Apple better watch out, the whole interwebz is gunning for you on this one.
31 signatures at the moment.
44 now…
I’ll be the first to admit it that it took me a minute to get Steve Jack’s one word commentary.
Come on now – fess up if it took you a minute, too!
maybe 15 seconds.
I’m a bit slow. It took even longer to realize that his one word was a link. I kept clicking on the title hoping that would take me to the petition.
I don’t even use FCPX (yet), but it does seem that Apple have done some fairly fantastic things . . . but then said ‘oh, we’ll be sticking that in soon’ about a load of stuff that professionals need. Why not just wait till it’s ready? Or are we supposed to be in some kind of massive Beta like OSX 10.0? Is someone about to release something else (Abobe or similar) and that’s forced their hand? I just don’t get it. Even the lead designer said it wouldn’t be ready for professional prime time? Very . . . odd?
It may have been one of those forced to release it early things.
Maybe some internal timeline that it had to be out before Lion.. Dunno.
Or because some of the problem areas may have been taking too long to switch over. Maybe 95% of FCPX was ready months ago and was to be released at like WWDC or something.
We’ll never really know.
Maybe SJ just wanted to piss off FCP users for bitching about FCP not being updated in a while.
I remember reading quite a while back that QuickTime would need a complete overhaul to become “modern.” Maybe Apple released as much Final Cut as possible until that foundation is ready? I’m still using QuickTime Player Pro 7 because the new app is bare bones.
A threat from Adobe? Yeah, that would be Flash video editor, right?
Apple did wait until it is ready.
FCP X covers all of my professional needs right now and more, and will give me new stuff to learn for quite awhile as I work to master it.
Most of what’s “missing” is actually in there already and just is accomplished slightly differently than it was done before, and the rest is pretty irrelevant.
Apple will add some features and some conveniences, and the crybabies will claim that crying works, even though these things were always in the pipeline anyway.
If you hold a software product until it is perfect, you’ll never release it…because there is always going to be a list of features you could add to it.
“FCP X covers all of my professional needs right now and more, and will give me new stuff to learn for quite awhile as I work to master it. ”
That’s great that you don’t have professional needs that most actual working professionals have. You know, simple stuff like being able to open existing projects.
“Most of what’s “missing” is actually in there already and just is accomplished slightly differently than it was done before, and the rest is pretty irrelevant. ”
Oh, can you point me to the Import feature? How is that done differently now? Or is it pretty irrelevant for a studio with a library of shows they can’t open in FCPX?
“Apple will add some features and some conveniences, and the crybabies will claim that crying works, even though these things were always in the pipeline anyway.”
Or we could remain silent and Apple might think that nobody cares for these features pros are asking for.
Also, you’re contradicting yourself. You said FCPX already met all of your professional needs. I thought your professional needs were the only ones that mattered in the universe.
To be fair they do ask for Apple to revamp the current version to 64-bit and then incrementally add the new features from FCPX.
Watch, within a year = no professional work done in FCP X. BET.
I am starting a petition to have FCP X released on floppy disks.
5.25 inch please 😉
They are Stupid. No. STUPID. All caps.
… and bring back Clarus and OpenDoc, too.
I know just how they feel. I gave up art entirely after SuperPaint went away.
Yeah. Where is the petition for MacPaint? That’s just wrong for Apple to EOL that!
I want my HyperCard, doggoneit!!!
“Change.org” !!! Hello!
Is this not the meaning of change. If they do not want change please rename it to:
Changenot.org or resistanttochange.org….,
The program will evolve quickly and this conserative group will have to be more liberal and learn to CHANGE and adapt.
Geeez!
Change.org is just a website devoted to random petitions you twatgobbler. Haha
I use Final Cut Express. I like Final Cut Express. I intend to continue to use Final Cut Express. What’s the problem?
@TFlint,
Nothing is wrong with that. Now, suppose you weren’t the only person in the universe. Suppose you had a studio full of professionals and thousands of FCP projects that needed to be accessed into the future.
FCP is no longer sold or supported. At some point that studio may need additional workstations, but can’t because they can’t buy licenses for FCP. At some point, probably fairly soon, the Macs they hang on to for FCP use won’t be able to be upgraded because the OS or other things aren’t compatible.
When you have a department with lots of people depending on their workstations to earn a living, the last thing you want is to be on a dead platform.
gaylord focker signed it? Seriously?
No. ‘gaylord focker’ used the comments section to obscenely mock out the people who signed it. Apparently he’s having a bad day.
Everyone should know Final Cut Pro X will have massive updates very quickly which will make everyone happy again.
Apple should have informed everyone at release but that is not their policy. Just be patient.
@clinicaltechmaster,
Where have you heard that Apple is releasing any update to FCPX to make it compatible with existing FCP projects?
That’s one of the biggest complaints, and there’s no indication that Apple intends to do this.
We could be quiet and wait patiently for Apple to think nobody cares about this, or we can shout until Apple responds by saying they intend to implement this and other features pros need.
All they need to do is openly discuss what they plan on doing. So far, it appears that pros are no longer their customers.
I’d you head over to the apple discussions, In the fcpx bashing discussions there have been people that have posted links to apple devs and such stating exactly what he said.
Updates are coming to address some of the missing components.
Hell
F’n auto correct X over the “publish” button…
I was going to say… Hell, I’m not even a FCPX user and I was able to figure out that I could head over to the official apple support discussions And find answers to some of the questions here.
Some people would rather bitch, moan, and complain instead of research an answer.
Learn to search, some of the complaints about the features being removed.. Are actually there. You just have to turn some settings off in order to see them.
Importing old FCP projects I believe is coming, there were issues with the imports on the new fcpx so rather than screwing up old projects they decided to wait till it works right.
There are other things, so just go search for the answers instead of complain.
But as I said earlier, apple probably should have waited to release fcpx. We may never know why it was released early.
“Learn to search, some of the complaints about the features being removed.. Are actually there. You just have to turn some settings off in order to see them.”
Where did I mention at any time any complaint about a feature that is actually there? You’re the search expert, show me where I claimed one missing feature that’s actually there… waiting…
“In the fcpx bashing discussions there have been people that have posted links to apple devs and such stating exactly what he said. ”
No, as far as official Apple communication on the matter, they’ve only talked in generic terms. That’s great. Every hour there could be a new update to FCPX. That doesn’t help. What’s needed are the specific missing features (like import) that prevent pros from using FCPX. Apple is making the situation worse by not communicating when or even if some of these features are coming out. In fact, many of the statements have address a focus on a different set of consumers…implying that the features pros need may not be coming if Apple prioritizes FCPX for the “prosumer”.
“Importing old FCP projects I believe is coming, there were issues with the imports on the new fcpx so rather than screwing up old projects they decided to wait till it works right. ”
That’s nice that you believe it’s coming. Where is Apple’s official statement that it’s coming? Rumors don’t help here.
This is the dumbest F&@#ing petition I’ve ever seen.
I think its awesome. Won’t change anything but at least people are being vocal.
Seriously from reading what pro users are saying Apple f*cked up imho. I dont blame any of them for being pissed. You wait a couple years and the upgrade you hoped for ends up feeling like a step backwards. That sucks.
People still do these? Haha I bet the guy who started it emailed MDN and believed he would get lots of support. He is crying right now reading these comments.
To be fair, some users like the current Final Cut Pro and are concerned that they will be left behind as Apple focuses on the new X version. If they do not believe that X will eventually fulfill all of the requirements covered by the current version, then they have a right to be concerned.
People want the best and the newest software around. I agree, Apple has made this new version a bit less exciting than the other versions. People expected a piece of software that exceeded last versions features. Thats why people are complaining. I like this new version. Im not saying Apple should completely change this new version, just add the major features from the last version. Long live Apple and their amazing hardware and software!
Brilliant!
Yeah I agreed at first but then read on reading through the posts that very few Pros. (people earning the living from FCP) need to jump immediately. Also like the furore over “Lion only available in App Store” it now transpires that Apple provide the means to burn an installer. I therefore ask myself.. why am I hating on Apple lately? I only use Apple computers and (i)Phones. The control grates a little bit but is there something deeper? 60 Billion in cash reserves? More FUD then information? No Xserve’s? Have I answered my own question?
Oh I’m back! I know what it is!
It is the insanely crazy idea that a building needs curved glass when it’s mile around!
I’m going to pick up a copy of FCP X. I’ve dabbled with video, but not in a big way. But I’d like to know what the fuss is all about. I think the “pros” criticising the software have just given a sales boost to the product.
Were is it written that you must delete FCP7 and install FCPX?
Stick with what you know until you learn the new one.
That makes complete sense. And yet, Apple pulled FCP7 and replaced it with FCPX, inferring that it is indeed the upgrade. Therefore, the clear intention is that users move from FCP7 to FCPX. You have to admit that, at least, is Apple’s intention.
Meanwhile, I’m looking forward to FCPX growing up a bit in the next few months, making it hopefully a worthy replacement.
Or until it doesn’t work with a new camera, or 10.7.1 breaks it…
A large enough customer should simply contact Apple directly and ask to purchase 50 (or whatever) more licenses of FCP7, at $1000 a pop. Apple is not stupid. I think they would cheerfully sell licenses for the old version for $1000 a copy, instead of $300 for the new version. They are not going to put it on the web site because they are trying to encourage customers to buy the new version.
A smaller customer who needs one or a few more copies of FCP7 should use this as an opportunity to save some money, instead of an opportunity to complain. Many “pro” users are upgrading to the new version, and if they don’t have a problem with the transition, they are not going throw away their license (and manuals/discs/docs) for FCP7. They paid $1000 for the package. They will try to sell it. Since it is no longer the latest version, and the new version sells for $300, the going price for a “used” FCP7 license will be discounted. Just look a eBay now. If you can get it for $500, it’s 50% off.
Meanwhile, Apple will be working to add the necessary features to this new optimal “foundation” that will be around for the NEXT ten years. Within 12 to 18 months, FCPX will probably have ALL the necessary features, and you can then pay $300 for it. $500+$300 is STILL less than the old $1000 price tag.
The price is not an important issue. Over the lifetime of the product, the price is just another sunk cost, like the hardware. The problem is that FCPX does not address basic requirements. Continuing to use FCP7 is unrealistic. There is no longer any support or assistance for it. No new licences can be purchased for additional licence bays. Further to that, it is unhelpful to have followed Apple’s software and then to be told to carry on using out-of-date software which is not 64bit. It is unhelpful to have to scrabble around eBay to purchase what may be essential software licenses. That is all most certainly amateur hour.
I think it is hilarious that you guys think you can simply tell bald faced lies and expect us to buy them… and then sympathize with you!
FCPX doesn’t just address basic requirements it exceeds them and has advanced the state of the art for editing. Most of the things you guys complain are missing aren’t actually missing, and the ones that are don’t make sense anyway. (EG: FCP 7 import.)
You’ve been using FCP 7 for several years, now suddenly it isn’t good enough? It’s unrealistic to keep using it? Yeah, right.
There is support and assistance ofr it from Apple and third parties. So claiming otherwise is just a lie.
You can purchase new licenses from Apple and from other parties, so claiming otherwise is also a lie…. in fact, you admit this yourself when you mention ebay.
You’re not being told to carry on using “out of date software”, you’re being told to use the new 64 bit product which is vastly superior, but you don’t want to, and are crying about it. If FCP 7 is “out of date” then you should move to FCP X and STFU!
If you can’t handle apple advancing the state of the art in editing UI by changing things…. and by the way, I think it is hilarious that Apple making it easier to edit has thrown you guys into conniptions– then that’s your fault, not Apples.
Your position is asinine where it isn’t dishonest…
Calling people dishonest is stupid. Arguments and debates and calling loyal customers liars will not make the problems disappear and will not make people suddenly change their mind about Apple’s behaviour.
“Apple is not stupid. I think they would cheerfully sell licenses for the old version for $1000 a copy, instead of $300 for the new version. ”
Apparently, they’re stupider than you think since they are unwilling to sell FCP7. They took them off the shelf. Retailers were told to return the packages. You can not get a license from Apple.
As far as eBay, that doesn’t work in the corporate environment. With the DRM that FCP has, you can’t be sure that the seller hasn’t retained the serial number which may prevent your copy from running.
All of this also ignores the fact that you can’t get support, and platform compatibility moving forward is unknown.
You have personally contacted someone at Apple, and they have personally informed you that they will absolute NOT sell you a license for FCP7 for $1000? Doubtful…
You’re telling me that if I bought FCP7 a month ago for $1000, Apple will not provide me with any support? Doubtful…
@ken1w,
Why would you doubt that Apple doesn’t sell FCP7 licenses? They simply don’t. Yes, I checked. Yes, I verified that packages have been removed. This isn’t that hard. Why would you assume people are lying about this when it’s so easy to verify?
“You’re telling me that if I bought FCP7 a month ago for $1000, Apple will not provide me with any support? Doubtful…”
You still don’t get it do you?
Again, pretend you’re not the only person in the universe. Realize that there are people and studios that have years worth of projects products by many people all in FCP project format. This is their livelihood.
Now, understand that having your entire library of work stuck in a EOL format is simply too much risk. It’s unknown when any update may break functionality. For us, we have thousands of projects, so it means dedicating Macs for the sole purpose of archive access.
We can’t continue to produce content in an EOL format. So the entire studio needs to consider the options, and unfortunately, this puts not only non-Apple software on the table as a likely consideration, but also migrating off Macs as a potential outcome.
@Engineer,
Wow…just wow…you really think FCP7 import “doesn’t make sense”. Do you even know what we’re talking about here?
“You’ve been using FCP 7 for several years, now suddenly it isn’t good enough?”
No, we’ve been complaining about it for a long time now, and have been patiently waiting for this upgrade. Unfortunately it can’t be used by many of us who were waiting.
“There is support and assistance ofr it from Apple and third parties. So claiming otherwise is just a lie.”
Really? Can you point me to support for the already broken codec issue? What about when the next security hole is discovered? How about when the next version of OS X is incompatible?
“Apple making it easier to edit has thrown you guys into conniptions– then that’s your fault, not Apples.”
Nope. Very few people are complaining about the new UI. Nobody in this thread was. I never have. I’ve mentioned several times in the MDN forums that I like FCPX. I think it’s great in many ways. My only complaint is with it’s inability to be used for the needs of many pros, especially those with existing FCP projects.
“You’re not being told to carry on using “out of date software”, you’re being told to use the new 64 bit product which is vastly superior, but you don’t want to, and are crying about it.”
Hey, how does a studio do that with their existing library of FCP projects? Can you answer that?
Really, you might want to limit your comments to things you know at least something, however little, about.
For the life of me, I can’t see what this all fscking fuss is about! All the issues of FCPX are just a fscking update issue just wait for crying pit loud and stop moaning and screaming like bitches! I have both of FC versions installed on my mac and when I want the FC features, I use this, just stay with the previous version and wait for damn fixes!
I think people are missing the point of what the complaints are. It’s NOT BECAUSE IT”S NEW…
Those who love FCP X are shooting family videos, skateboarders, etc and posting to you tube and Facebook, you are clueless as to what a PRO needs are.
You are not a pro video editor because you own a Mac and shoot with the latest HDDSLR. Educate yourself about what PROS need in order to create those films you try so hard to copy.
I loved the days when Mac was a small community, now they are mainstream and too big and care about the consumer and are forgetting about the pro users who have been with them from day one.
Yes, we can still use FCP7, but as you all know its not supported anymore. What happens in a year when something goes wrong?
Apple is forcing us to purchase something that isn’t usable in the pro editing world. Is that too hard to understand?
They took away the essentials that are needed. They made it easier for the everyday Joe to enjoy simple video editing, so families around the country can enjoy with simple sharing.
There is place for that but there is also a place for higher end software for the pros. Call it iMovie Pro and create we pros need.
“Yes, we can still use FCP7, but as you all know its not supported anymore. What happens in a year when something goes wrong?”
Look, there are legitimate concerns/complaints about FCP. But it gets undermined when the complainers point out that FCPX is not ready *now* and FCP7 might have problems *in a year*, without considering FCPX *in a year* and FCP7 *now*.
I think the petition should have been to *ask* Apple to ease the transition by continuing to sell FCP7 (full price) for another 6 months/year, with a clear disclaimer that it is not going to get support.
I am very unhappy with the transition from FCP 7 to FCP X and think Apple has massively screwed up, not on FCP X, cause it could be awesome, but in the way it has messed up current professionals. I think 1-2 years, maybe more of incidental support and continued sales, and perhaps some kind of plug-in allowing old project files to be imported or accessed in SOME way, so your archives are never truly “lost”.
The claim that people can’t just use FCP 7 is undermined by the fact that they have “just been using FCP 7” for the past couple of years.
Apple hasn’t done anything to stop the continued use of FCP 7.
You say they can no longer get support, but that’s not true. Apple didn’t invalidate any support contracts by releasing a new product, and most FCP support is provided by third parties.
If you need additional copies of FCP 7 then you can buy them, either on the new market, or on the used market going forward as the licenses are freed up by people moving forward with FCP X.
There’s no legitimate beef anyone should have with FCP X.
Cry babies gonna cry.
Apple removed all support references to FCP the day that FCPX came out. This cut all links to upgrades to FCP. They’ve since, after “cry babies crying” put the links back so bug and security patches could be downloaded and installed.
“If you need additional copies of FCP 7 then you can buy them, either on the new market,”
You can’t do this. Apple pulled all copies. Used isn’t an option for many since FCP has DRM and the serial numbers could be retained by the original owners. Many corporations won’t allow this.
“There’s no legitimate beef anyone should have with FCP X.”
You know nothing about FCPX. To you, it’s fine as the iMovie Pro app that it is. Therefore you have no concept of what the software means for many professionals who’ve invested a lot of money and time to have this tool be a central part of what there career is about. Most real professionals in this field using FCP have been screwed by Apple.
Since you don’t know anything about the software, why don’t you read any one of the articles outlining the legitimate beefs these pros have with FCPX?
Well said MrEdofCourse. Throughout these threads, Engineer’s need seems to be to use whatever blinkered distortions of the situation he believes he can get away with to defend his beloved corporate, Apple, against the very real problems their bubblegum software is causing professionals.
Such is the world of the teenage fanboy, I suppose.
You have no clue what you are talking about, but clearly that doesn’t stop the diarrhea flowing from your keyboard. What do you do for a living? How are you qualified to have an opinion on this?
I have had it. This new Pages program just is not as good as WriteNow. Let’s start a petition. While we are at it, who really needs anything more than a 20 MB harddrive.
Steve Jobs: “Excuse me but you’ve obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a rat’s ass what you think.”
And yet Steve Jobs has repeatedly proved that he does give a rat’s about customer concerns, remarkably unlike most other corporate CEOs of the current era. Thus our ongoing economic depression while Apple thrives.
Trolling is naughty. Nanny may have to spank you. 😛
Regardless of who is a “pro” or not, regardless of what features will be added, are missing or how good the new version is and great new additions to the software, regardless of the great price, the requirement to adapt, to learn new software, REGARDLESS of all this… Apple has created a situation where CURRENT editors and post houses in my industry, the professional feature film and television world are affected MASSIVELY by not being able to expand or continue with FCP 7 and the infrastructure they have invested thousands of dollars in is wasted!
This would be EASILY solved by Apple. Continue to sell FCP 7 and support it over the next 2-3 years as you ramp up FCP X to match the capability of FCP 7, a lot of people will naturally make the switch when it is the right time and FCP X offers the right features etc. It wouldn’t be THAT difficult…
Guys, have some sympathy for these so called “cry babies”, they’ve been dealt a massive blow with no warning… if you really understood the impact of this, you wouldn’t be saying these things. I love Apple and always supported them, it’s strange now to be the one being taunted by Apple fans for voicing my concern…
Rather than complain on this site (and sign a stupid petition) anyone who feels this way should send Apple feedback.
Ah, it’s like a petition but for only one person?
This one has 3500 signatures-
http://www.petitiononline.com/finalcut
“This one has 3500 signatures-
http://www.petitiononline.com/finalcut”
Current count: 3884 signatures and rapidly growing. Skip the Change.org petition!
“Final Cut Pro X is Not a Professional Application” Petition:
“To: Apple, Inc.
“We, both the editors and affected filmmakers who rely on Final Cut Pro as a crucial business tool, do so in the same way Photoshop, Maya, Pro Tools, and other industry-standard applications are relied on by leading post-production environments. Many have invested hundreds of thousands (some even millions) of dollars in creating Final Cut Pro based companies. These are now threatened by a “prosumer-grade” product upgrade of Final Cut Pro 7 titled “Final Cut Pro X,” and will likely put several of these companies out of business….”
This petition is a little shrill and over the top, but it speaks for more than a few users.
I predict a formal Apple statement in our future…
It’s interesting how whoever talks some common sense about this whole bogus “down with FCP X” campaign is immediately shot down as “you don’t know what you are talking about since you are not a pro”.
But then the so-called “pros” just repeat the same talking points like parrots without really enlightening us “non-pros” about what the real problem is. And the real problem is that there really is no problem that can stand up to scrutiny.
Cannot import FCP 7 projects into FCP X? Well, unless Apple sent some kind of internet-based electric bolt to fry your FCP 7 on the day FCP X was released, you don’t really need to import those products into FCP X immediately, do you? Just keep using FCP 7, don’t buy FCP X and contact Apple with your concerns.
No longer supported? That is simply laughable. Apple did not become the world’s most valuable company by throwing customers under the bus.
What will happen in a year’s time? Well, this gives you the opportunity to plan a year ahead. If you really have problems in one year, and FCP 7 just dies out sometime in June 2012 and FCP X doesn’t meet your needs, move on with your alternate plans.
I suggest the upset “pros”, who seem to have a lot of time on their hands to write lengthy pieces repeating the same attacks on FCP X on public forums, just go back to work already. Your multi-million-dollar projects must be waiting for you to come back to.
And when you have a moment, maybe you could spend some time trying to learn the new software. Don’t be like Conan’s video people – the software had barely made it to store shelves and they were already dissing it in a totally unprofessional manner.
No wonder he lost the Tonight Show gig.
The opinion war about FCPX is NOT about Pros versus Non-Pros. There are plenty of BOTH on both sides of the battle zone. Reading through all the comments here and elsewhere makes that quite clear. Therefore, please discard the red herring.
What are the non-pros complaining about?
There seems to be massive amounts of arrogance on the side of the “non-pros” here. It is funny how debate has distilled down to those who don’t use FCP much (or at all) versus those who use high-end features and tools to make a living. The “pros” continue to try and explain how it is extremely frustrating not being able to BUY NEW LICENSES (this is absolutely correct, no matter how you try to twist it; eBay simply does NOT count), not being able to rely on future technical support (meaning, 2 months from now) and knowing there will be NO FIXES to the bugs still in the (now obsolete) FCP 7.
On the other side, we have “non-pros” who don’t exactly provide useful responses to the issues raised by “pros”, but mostly keep saying “cry babies”.
To me, the discussion seems a bit lopsided.
“Actually no, many of these folks can *not* just use the old version of Final Cut Pro. Apple doesn’t sell, or support it any more.”
It’s still available from at least some major online retailers, like B&H Photo and Adorama.
Apple doesn’t sell it now, no, but they do still support current users. That won’t change for at least a couple more years.
Nitpicking? Maybe, but it’s an important distinction.