“While it’s impossible to verify how many of the 25,000 early adopters of the free Roll Your Own iPhone app are actually committed weed wranglers, one thing is certain, the early success of this instructional app may signal the start of a ‘rolling for dummies’ revolution,” Basile reports. “Nearly 1,000 people have already opted in for the three additional rolling techniques featured for $.99 as an in-app-purchase.”
Basile reports, “Roll Your Own was approved by Apple for an App Store debut on December 22, 2010.”
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Righteous bucks!
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Jax44” for the heads up.]
Mass murderer Jared Loughner, killer and maimer in Gabrielle Giffords attack, described by classmate as paranoid “Left-Wing Pothead.”
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php
“While these numbers are exciting to us, two of us still live in trailers and I’m currently living at my father’s home on food stamps,” Noah told the iPhone Savior. “So, at this rate, I’m not anticipating moving out any time soon.”
Geez, Louise, they have the money for drugs, Apple computers, iPhones etc. and they are living on my money. Just absolutely charming.
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I’ve got the munchies.
Never bothered when there’s a water pipe handy.
@Neighsayer
Very well put.
It all about personal choices.
@ Toke up, lib losers!
Yes folks, it’s very very important that you know how LEFT WING this guy’s friends say he was in order to assuage the guilt of Sharon Angle and Sarah Palin. Keep repeating it so they can sleep at night.
@Toke up, lib losers:
Yes, it’s painfully clear that, despite their despicable attempts to pin the blame on Republicans before any facts were in, the loonie left has blood on their hands, even as they vainly try to scrub them clean:
Daily Kos, Jan 06, 2011: My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! & is now DEAD to me!
Vermin, like Tuscon’s biased, conclusion-leaping sheriff Clarence Dupnik, Keith Olbermann, Paul Krugman, etc. who try to use a horrible crime, including the death of a little 9-year-old girl, to score points against political opponents are worse than the scum of the earth.
Liberals lose in the arena of ideas, so they have to resort to despicable acts. The mainstream media this weekend proved their bias and obsolescence.
I pray that those blinded by ideology wake up, feel remorse for their base actions, and apologize sincerely. I also hope they pay for this at the ballot box for years to come.
Government is not meant to be your mommy.
And they wonder why California’s going down the tubes?!! Losers like these! Shame on Apple for allowing it!
And for a slightly more thoughtful take…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1
Geez, I just thought it was funny.
wow.. pics of boobies, which are legal, are not allowed, but a video on how to do something illegal is allowed?
Why are people trying to blame this tragedy on Sarah Palin? I don’t understand the connection. The people blaming Palin for this tragedy are the same ones that protest when Democrat policies are blamed for the lack of economic recovery.
But if you don’t like Liberals, then just move to Texas, where the Friedmanite paradise is well underway…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/opinion/07krugman.html?ref=paulkrugman
Wanna fire up a doober? There’s an app for that!
——RM
@ Matt.
You’re right… when someone from the Part of Personal Responsibility distributes a graphic with gun sights on congresspersons, and loudly proclaims “Don’t Retreat, Reload!”, they are totally innocent of everything.
Sorry… Party* of Personal Responsibility…
must be the hooch…
Why is it the only people screaming about this are the radical right wing nutjobs?
This is the kool-aid the Republicans and their Tea party confederates serve up, and now when something tragic happens, they try to disavow it? Spineless, irresponsible cowards.
@ChrissyOne, I’m not familiar with that ad, but it’s in very poor taste.
Still, I think it’s a stretch to draw causality between an ad most people have probably never seen and the tragedy the other day. It seems like political hackery more than anything else.
Even Obama said last week regarding Republicans, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
The little girl that was killed — she attended the event to see how government works. It would have been safer to come to this forum to learn how government works. First, here’s where the constitutional experts hang out. Second, the political acumen of our contributors is peerless. Third, nobody actually dies…although we do permit character assassination and vague though ominous threats.
I sleep fine at night without putting my guilt onto others who have no effect on my behavior.
Others, who may be sheep to any media shepherd, need to project their weakness for original thought onto others.
Probably helps to keep them from facing the reality that their lifestyle has no core beliefs.
There are potheads in all political parties. One of the big deals for the Libertarians is to leaglelize pot, they have supported High Times for decades. As for Sara Pailin, she has put a lot of effort into becoming the face for the conservative movement. So she gets to be the poster child for both good and bad. The truth is no one thing made this terrorist, and he is a terrorist, do this. It was several thing coming together for him, for anyone to blame one thing is short sited.
@David I agree. They should have both.
@ChrissyOne. Thank you.
@ Matt.
Well here you go…
What kind of nut jobs post comments like lib losers after a 9 year old girl was killed. This is beyond sick. He is a lib because she smokes pot? Republicans never do dope? Didn’t G.W. do coke? Didn’t this ‘potsmoker’ use a gun?
This isn’t the point. The point for you political morons is that some mentally ill person with easy access to guns killed innocent people just because he disliked a congessman. That is it! Period.
Get some fu*ken help you navel gazing idiots. Do something more useful like pray for Gabrielle’s recovery.
ChrissyOne,
Are you really going to attempt to ignore the Daily Kos piece from two days prior to the crime in order to focus on a Sarah Palin district “targeting” map from last spring?
Also, Palin has rightly NOT removed her map. It’s still right here and, BTW, it was made by a third-party graphics producer (I know, believe it or not, Sarah doesn’t do her own Photoshop work) who used the surveyor symbol to mark specific locations, not gun sights, on the map they made for Palin’s TakeBack20 campaign.
sorry several things.
Yeah, you’re right: there’s nothing at all wrong with Sarah Palin using crosshairs on the map, which is why I’m SURE she’ll use them again in 2012. . .
“Surveyor mark”. . . lol.
Whenever I read about another mass shooting in the US, I’m always intrigued by Americans’ response. “Why did he do it?” Was he nuts? Was it political? etc.
To me, that’s largely dodging the real question, which is, “How was he able to kill so many, so easily?”. The answer is simple. Because he had easy (and in this case, legal) access to a hand gun, a lethal weapon that has only one purpose — to kill people.
Until America acknowledges the presence of this elephant in the room, these shootings will go on and on.
@ChrissyOne. Thanks. Still doesn’t mean there’s a causality. Violent and military metaphors are widespread in public and private arenas. There’s another one: arena.
What I hope for is an appropriate response from the people we elected. This isn’t a reason to draw up *more* legislation that stomps all over the Constitution.
Here is a nice map for anyone ignorant enough to believe that crosshairs caused this.
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171
When drowning, clinging to water doesn’t help.
I’m with Buster (and Andrew Breitbart) on this.
http://bigjournalism.com/abreitbart/2011/01/08/on-the-tragedy-of-azrep-giffords-shooting/
“I hope that’s not where we’re going, but you know if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?” –Nevada GOP Senate nominee and Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle, interview with right-wing talk radio host Lars Larson in Portland, OR, January 2010
@ Journo
Really? That’s all you got? A Daily Kos piece read by how many people, written by…who?
Compared to Angle and Palin’s national audience. Yeah… good one.
I never said she removed her map. I’m not quoting Daily Kos. I’m quoting Sarah Palin.
I’M NOT SAYING THE MAP CAUSED THIS. And if you read my linked article you’d understand that.
But what has happened is that this political season has become charged with violence, and it has come primarily from the Tea Party crowd, from Palin and Angle to all those gun nuts who open-carry at rallies. To say that it has nothing to do with them is just myopic denial.
“I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.” Thomas Jefferson
Let’s take everything out of context just to prove a shallow point.
More?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film)
http://www.theassassinationofgeorgebush.com/thebook.html
@ TT
A non-existant Wiki page and a fictional book… Well done!
But I’m not getting the point.
“Legalize it.
Don’t criticize it.”
– Bob
Excellent point, TowerTone. . . because that map, with one symbol per state, is EXACTLY the same as using one symbol per congress person. . . exactly.
Marijuana has had a bad rap since the “Marijuana Tax Act” of the ’30s … Since then, most of the states have done nothing to set the record straight ..
California is one state that has recognized that, (at least) for some people— it is a medicine —
Now, I realize this may be a shock to a lot of people — but, I happen to know a few people, who cannot take the drugs which are pushed by doctors who probably get a kick-back from the various drug companies– and pot is the only thing that helps them ..
It’s too bad, though, that the right-wingnuts feel the need to flood every forum with their anti-liberal drivel ..
They evidently don’t realize that our country actually thrives when both sides have a voice —
Trying to silence either side would have dire consequences for
our country
ChrissyOne, etc.,
Democrat’s own “target” and bulls-eye” map
Death of a President (2006) – a film that depicts the assassination of George W. Bush, the 43rd U.S. President
Hypocrites.
@ChrissyOne, it’s a given there are 1000’s of quotes from all sides of the political spectrum that are inappropriate. But copying and pasting quotes doesn’t mean that the guy got his inspiration from anyone in particular.
Whoops!
Not Bob.
Peter.
My bad, Dudes and Dudettes.
Once again, The Gops are taking Personal Responsibility by blaming Democrats for doing the same thing.
Well done, guys.
The thing you guy aren’t getting is this…
These BIG DEMONIC DEMOCRATIC HYPOCRISIES that your lap-dog sites are digging up today have been seen by almost no one until you found them today. I’ve certainly never seen them.
But as we’ve been taught by super heroes…
“With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility” – Spider Man
“With No Power Comes No Responsibility” – Kick Ass
Think a little bit about that before you show me every little piece of trash you find.
Add fuel to the flame…
Jefferson planted marijuana. In fact “First, Jefferson ran an advanced marijuana processing facility. Second, he was a socialist.”
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2912/did-george-washington-and-thomas-jefferson-grow-marijuana
Nice report on gun-toti’ tea Baggers
http://patterico.com/2009/08/19/msnbc-guys-carrying-guns-to-rallies-are-racists-especially-this-guy-whose-skin-color-we-will-now-proceed-to-hide-from-your-view/
@ChrissyOne, you can demonstrate all the political climates and inappropriate quotes you want. The political climate certainly isn’t healthy. But, drawing a line between political rhetoric and the acts of a maniac is pretty weak.
. . . everyone is saying Laughner is a liberal, based MOSTLY on his indication that The Communist Manifesto was a favorite book (read, of course, by most educated people), and yet ignore the fact that he ALSO had We The Living, Ayn Rand’s anti-communist tome, also listed? Is it because a couple of high school acquaintances (or was it one) said so?
Regardless, the whole course of this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with the joint-rolling app, particularly since at least one old friend says that Laughner had quit smoking pot and gone quite straight laced? http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message
This murderer and would-be assassin appears to have dabbled somehow with communism, was anti-government (which, in contemporary parlance, indicates a conservative bent), and had a weird obsession with mind-control (see Alex Jones) and grammar. Left or right is irrelevant.
@ Matt.
I’m just wondering… if this isn’t enough, then what is? What would it take for people to actually come to their senses…? If Nancy Pelosi said that she had John Boehner “in her crosshairs”, and he got shot by a New Black Panther, you all would be crawling out of your skins with rage right now. Yes… you would.
What will it take before any national figure TAKES SOME BLOODY RESPONSIBILITY for what they say?
@How come. . .
Bottom line is the guy is CRAZY. You could never write enough laws that would eliminate craziness in the country.
If you completely ban guns and somehow remove every last one of them from the cititzenry, crazy people will still find a way to kill innocent people.
Exactly, Matt.
Here is my point
-this has nothing to do with-
Sarah Palin
The Tea Party
MSNBC
George Bush
Liberals
Republicans
Pres. Obama
religion
illegal immigration
ATT cell coverage (OK, maybe…)
It has to do with a sick individual who gained access to firearms and went on what he thought to be a calling.
He killed a well respected Democrat AND Republican, a child, and other innocent bystanders.
How do we know the effect Hollywood, XBox, weed, parents, lovers, teachers, or neighbors had on him?
Throwing politics into this when there is no basis other than to blame the right (or left) for the same messages that they send out in different forms is worse than ignorance…it is childish stupidity.
@ChrissyOne, I’m not sure where I gave you enough information to classify me as part of the “you all” group.
Yeah, right, the issue has nothing to do with politics at all. Perish forbid. And the gunman acted alone, as usual.
—
Still, in a largely anonymous forum, it’s difficult to resist needling each other and countering YOUR vacuous, dumb-ass mind fodder with MY fully thought-out, deeply held beliefs.
Matt wants to ban weed, but not semi automatic handguns. Makes sense.
Dave? Dave’s not Here, Man.
@Matt ‘If you completely ban guns and somehow remove every last one of them from the cititzenry, crazy people will still find a way to kill innocent people.’
THis is true, BUT you kill a WHOLE lot less of them.
This is besides the point. As Towertone said, this has nothing to do with any of what was said here. Politics may have been the catalyst but this nutbar was a bomb waiting to go off….I do not think the 9 year old girl was targeted for assassination for her political views left or right, do you?
Maybe the real issue here may be health care…improved diagnosis/treatment for mental disorders.
Too bad this thread degenerated, in earlier times, given the topic, it could have been the funniest ever.
Matt writes, “Even Obama said last week regarding Republicans, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.””
Oh, he’s said more than that. He’s spoken of “hand to hand combat”, urged Hispanics to “punish” his Republican opponents, urged his supporters to “get in their faces”, called his opponents “hostage takers” and “suicide bombers”. He shares as much blame for the political climate as anyone.
But what’s missing in the political finger-pointing after this tragedy is that those suffering from paranoia and schizophrenia aren’t responding to the ephemeral “political climate” but to their own internal demons. The fact that those who shared an algebra class at community college were frightened by his very presence shows that politics had nothing to do with it. Many feared the day he would show up and start shooting up the place.
It is a hideous strategy to say that someone must be “eliminated”, without mentioning that this is supposed to mean “lobbying such that the opponent’s political views become less attractive to the general public”.
Most people will understand what is officialy “meant” and they will only ponder briefly (maybe chuckle) over any other meanings that “eliminated” might have.
However, some (say, conservatively, 1 in 100’000) mentally sick people might not understand “eliminated” in the same way.
The trouble is, when public figures make such statements to 180 million Americans, there might just be 180’000’000/100’000 = 1800 potential murderers running around.
@ Matt –
Obama didn’t say the line “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” last week. He said it in July, 2008. And he was quoting Sean Connery’s line from The Untouchables, telling a crowd in Philadelphia how his campaign was doing things “the Chicago way.”
He used the line once, got slammed for it, and never used it again.
Contrast that to the extensive use of “Don’t retreat, reload” from Sarah Palin, and other militaristic lines and graphic symbology from Palin and others on the right. “Second Amendment remedies” anyone?
pothead = loser = trouble
David, pot not illegal in many states. As it should be..
People against pot are ignorant fools. Let the people puff and get on with dealing with true criminals.
A man shot people the other day. Not pot and not the gun, the man did it.
@jax44
I want to ban weed? Huh? You guys are so quick to plaster unfounded labels on people.
@ Matt.
My bad, I didn’t mean to lump you into that, only many of the regular political pundits here.
Mainly the ones who like to do things like blame all Muslims for 9/11 or all Liberals for that actions of a couple of New Black Panthers.
For the record, I think extremists on both sides are partially to blame for ratcheting up the fear and hatred. Really I don’t know what you expect to happen after so much of this. Yes, it
s mostly the fault of one looney. But if you start talking about armed revolution, you run the risk of activating loonies, just like you run the risk of getting people trampled to death if you shout Fire in a movie theater. My main beef is with the idea that political rethoric had *nothing* to do with it, because in this case, as in the case of Glenn Beck’s apt pupil a few months back, it’s clearly a factor.
Oh, and I hope all of you who think marijuana is pure evil don’t use alcohol, cigarettes, or caffeine. All are more addictive and arguably more damaging, if you actually look at studies rather than buying in to Cheech & Chong stereotypes. But if you’re going to go with that, fine. Don’t forget the reports also said he didn’t think much of religion, so while you’re pointing fingers remember to blame atheists as well.
If you want to put a label on me, I would be a member of the “I don’t trust anyone” party. I don’t like any of the current parties, nor do I like that they even exist. It creates an us vs. them mentality and prevents people from cultivating well-founded opinions for themselves.
My father, Laymon S., could roll what he called “joints” perfectly with one hand.
Of course he used pipe tobacco.
Lung cancer claimed his life in 1987.
Anything you smoke is not good for you.
John Lennon and The Beatles Said it best:
“You say you want a revolution? We all want to change the world.”
“…But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right.”
Peace and Love my friends. Put the guns down.
Sign up now, Patriots!!!
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@ Matt.
Then you and I totally agree.
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@ Mark S.
Fox News says otherwise…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196678,00.html
@Toke up:
STFU, you moron!!! At least you could have the decency to refrain from advertising your stunted intelligence to the whole world!
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“Very instructive !!
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Can’t wait to Download it on my Kid’s IPod.!! Now he can help me out as I Drive..”
Best review of an app EVER!
Crazy is as crazy does……
I had a crazy person among the people that worked for me…could communicate with JFK, had access to guns, hated law enforcement officials.
He killed himself 8 years ago with his gun. Was it cops? JFK?
Or maybe he was…..simply crazy?
Oh…and most everyone I knew when I was in high school and university smoked pot at one point or another. They were from both sides of the political spectrum. Many are world reknown scientists or business execs or independent businessmen.
Go figure.
The pot app would have been useful 25-30 years ago
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Throwing around ‘crazy’ might be a tad pre-mature. Truly crazy people aren’t connected enough with reality to pre-meditate murder. Crazy people act on impulse, and this guy, from all his public postings on various sites, has apparently been planning this for at least a month.
So yes, TT, *truly* crazy people perceive reality differently. I don’t know if this guy qualifies.
Isn’t this story about a joint rolling app? I missed the part about the murderer. Damn glasses! I need to press Command + a couple of more times I guess.
Isn’t this story about a joint rolling app? I missed the part about the murderer. Damn glasses! I need to press Command + a couple of more times I guess.
Isn’t this story about a joint rolling app? I missed the part about the murderer. Damn glasses! I need to press Command + a couple of more times I guess.
Isn’t this story about a joint rolling app? I missed the part about the murderer. Damn glasses! I need to press Command + a couple of more times I guess.
“The first thought, the desperate hope, that the losers in November of 2010 had was that they could revitalize their political fortunes because of this unfortunate shooting of a congresswoman in Arizona. That was the most important thing to them — and that, to me, is sick.” -Rush Limbaugh, January 10, 2011
So true.
I thought this article was about a weed rolling iPhone app …
I’d just point out that if you spend your days spewing hate and vitriol and using words to incite violence and inflame public opinion, then you should step up and accept responsibility for the consequences of your language.
No one mentions Beck and O’reilly in this – FOX news? These guys have been spewing hatred for how long? Sarah Palin … Cross hairs and “Reload” – what was she thinking? (“Surveyors marks” – just shows how spineless she is when the shit hits the fan. Anyone who repeats that verbatim needs to have a good hard look at themselves.)
These people are culpable – it doesn’t take a Rhode scholar to work out what was going to happen when the message reached the ears of someone mentally unstable … I wonder how long before the reprisals kick off in earnest.
Civil war anyone? Americans have a history of settling things with weapons – it’s why the rest of the world thinks you’re a bunch of nutjobs.
Best Wishes.
C1 accurately pointed out the profusion of hate propaganda being spewed by the far right. That is a fact that cannot be reasonably disputed, regardless of your political orientation. Labeling, name calling, and attempts to redirect do not change that fact. Whether or not it had any impact on this particular incident does not alter the opinion of many that those extremist hate messages are reckless and irresponsible.
If this were a formal debate, C1 would be kicking your collective a$$es. Your idiocy undermines your cause, which has some worthy aspects despite the callow natures of many of its advocates.
@Emily
Those on the conservative side of the political spectrum were busy covering their collective butts hoping that the fallout would not adversely impact their political careers despite the ill-advised and irresponsible messages that they delivered and advocated to their constituencies and the emotional fervor that they sought to instill.
—- KingMel, January 10, 2011
BTW – Rush Limbaugh is absolutely nauseating.
Martin
“No one mentions Beck and O’reilly in this – FOX news?”
So there is evidence that he was watching these shows…or you just threw that in for ‘good’ measure?
Also, if he has been in touch with Rep. Giffords before, specifically in 2007, how does that involve Beck and Palin?
Mel
“that is a fact that cannot be reasonably disputed,”
Uh, so you claim the left has no hand in hate speech, did none at all during the Bush years, and only takes the high road?
First off, I dispute it. At least for the most part. There are idiots on both sides.
But to claim that people who you only hear out of context and through your prism of hate FOR THEM leaves you in no position to judge a debate.
C1, who I generally get along with, has produced nothing in facts directly linked to the killers actions, only projected thoughts of why someone would act as thus and then naturally blames those that she disagrees with, no matter the actual realities.
The horror that occurred in Tucson, Arizona is beyond comprehension and leaves many bewildered, numb and attempting to make any sense out of it.
<strike> Looking at the “discussions” going on here within the microcosm of the MDN comments pages, it is possible to see one of the causes of the evolving diminution of the USA.
Disintegration and fragmentation of mainstream American culture is demonstrated throughout various comments pages that are centric to America, and the hate and hostility that spews forth is quite unbelievable.
People become so excessively polarised that they lose sense of rational thought whilst engaged in dialogue with people who hold different opinions; antithetical or not.
Do not ever think that you are being played, that your fears are being exploited … The conventional machinations of the mass media are designed, but in regard to their egregious machinations, I think have all blindly followed each other along an ill-considered, misguided and irresponsible path, the natural evolution of mass media has almost enveloped all before it. </strike>
Politicians of all inclinations, who contribute to and cultivate Fear and Loathing within the community do not deserve to serve the people.
Rome is burning as you fiddle people! …
… and with the strikes (hopefully.)
<strike> Looking at the “discussions” going on here within the microcosm of the MDN comments pages, it is possible to see one of the causes of the evolving diminution of the USA. </strike>
<strike> Disintegration and fragmentation of mainstream American culture is demonstrated throughout various comments pages that are centric to America, and the hate and hostility that spews forth is quite unbelievable. </strike>
<strike> People become so excessively polarised that they lose sense of rational thought whilst engaged in dialogue with people who hold different opinions; antithetical or not. </strike>
<strike> Do not ever think that you are being played, that your fears are being exploited … The conventional machinations of the mass media are designed, but in regard to their egregious machinations, I think have all blindly followed each other along an ill-considered, misguided and irresponsible path, the natural evolution of mass media has almost enveloped all before it. </strike>
Politicians of all inclinations, who contribute to and cultivate Fear and Loathing within the community do not deserve to serve the people.
Rome is burning as you fiddle people! …
rolls eyes
Really I don’t bother, because it won’t make any difference. I’m not trying to convince you of anything, because it won’t matter.
The difference doesn’t occur to you, because you’re not on the wrong side of it. If you were, you’d see the clear motivation by the right to wipe out all opposition and decent. No one wants to work with Obama, they want to STOP HIM. They want to TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK. Because supposedly it’s been hijacked by someone who isn’t a RILL AMERICAN.
So for the last two years, the guns have been on display and the rhetoric has escalated higher and higher, and if we can’t ‘solve our problems with ballots, we’ll solve them with bullets”. This talk has been spewing from the right in an unending torrent with no thought of what it might cause. Because who cares? You can always blame Those Evil Liberals with some idiotic, weasely excuse.
And when someone finally makes an attempt on the president, don’t worry. It won’t be your fault, it will be the fault of those horrid Dems for daring to think that they could take part in the governing of their country. If they knew what was good for them they’d let good honest conservatives run everything because they always know what’s best, since they did so well for the last decade.
For even participating in this debate, we’re to blame. *I’M* to blame. I’m a part of this horrible machine that drives people to desperate, destructive acts. And the more we scream at each other, the further we get from any hope of sanity, love, or peace.
At least I can admit it.
** dissent – sorry, typing is a bit sloppy and jangled today.
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learn how to roll a joint? That’s a lot of stupid people.
“The only way to win is not to play.” – W.O.P.R., 1983
Sorry, Chrissy
But this one time, I don’t think you have a clue what is motivating the right.
I don’t know of one single, solitary person who listens to enough of the talk radio or news to be near as pissed off at any person in particular as you and others claim.
Nor are most of them as dumb and shallow to fall for any one person’s beliefs.
And as long as many on the left keep believing what they want about our realities, then you will never understand why an event like the one in Arizona pisses us off so bad, no matter what the leanings of the wacko involved.
“I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what these people stood for.”
– Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95
“We’re going to keep building the party until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.”
– Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Mother Jones, 08-95
“We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.”
– Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02
“Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”
– Rep. James Hansen (R-UT), talking about President Clinton
Nice bunch of folks you ‘pal around’ with.
Oh wait, did I unfairly accuse you of beliefs you don’t really hold because of contrived or passing associations…?
Hell, that sure was ignorant and stupid and opportunistic of me. But it won’t happen again.
You betcha’.
No, you accused me of being a fucking idiot for taking colloquial terms that are understood by any normal person with common sense and acted as if they were intended to incite actual violence.
Like I said, you don’t have a clue.
You keep playing the same ‘u r dum’ card on us.
Maybe it’s time to get another deck.
Of course, you could also look at many sayings of Democrat politicians, but then that would let Sarah off the hook.
Nope, can’t have that…because it’s got nothing to do with reality.
It’s got to do with hate, and you know from who.
I guess next it’s going to be all the frozen homeless people in New York because of Global Climate Warming Change.
And somehow, it’s that goddam Sarah Palin’s fault.
George Bush isn’t popular enough to hate on anymore.
Maybe you can tie them together
Something to do with BP…I saw a documentary on it somewhere….
Harsh? Yes… but no one said EZ Widers were for taste….volume only. Roll it up and pass that shit around, cause some folks will smoke anything to ignore the real world.
The polarization of America has never been more evident than what I have read in this thread.
It truly saddens me.
OMFNG!
Sarah is at it again!
Now she is using SUVs to kill Democrats!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/paul-duggan/-the-wife-of-a.html?hpid=topnews
And of course the Fascist bitch used a German model on the poor suspect…
BLAME SARAH!
for anything and everything
BLAME SARAH!
regardless of blatant facts
BLAME SARAH!
Arrrrrrggggghhhhh! (Howard Dean lunatic scream)
If there’s any justice in the universe, you opportunistic, immoral scum will burn in hell for so clumsily attempting to use the cold-blooded killing of a 9-year-old girl and many others’ deaths and grievous injuries for what you mistakenly think is political gain.
You are scum. You are the problem, not the solution.
Elizabeth,
“Scum” is too generous. They are maggots.
ChrissyOne,
Newsflash: Nobody who believes in vastly smaller government wants to “work” with Obama because they know he obtusely believes that government is the “answer” to everything. Period.
Potheads are one of the lowest forms of life on this planet. Somewhere near a paramecium I suppose. I love how they all expound upon “so-called” facts that pot isn’t harmful to your health or that it doesn’t negatively affect your brain or impair your judgement when you are using. News for you folks…In the industry that I work part time, weekends in I see people that are impaired by pot use every night and their judgement and common sense is impaired to great extents. My g/f’s sister is a chronic pothead and she barley ever leaves the house and hasn’t held down a permanent job in years because working is “just too stressful” or her boss has an issue with her “baking at lunch”, lol…she’s an embarrassment at every family function…and although people tolerate her she’s a joke to everyone. So there you go kiddies, do you want to be that joke that everyone is laughing behind you back at?
@TowerTone
Who knows why he did what he did … I spoke of Beck, Oreilly and FOX news in context of the media whipping up a hate frenzy- you’d have to be blind, deaf and seriously unengaged not to have heard the invective that spews from these sources on a regular basis … That has to have an effect on people – directly or indirectly … From an outsiders perspective they really do seem to represent the lunatic Right.
I’m sure there are lunatic Left commentators as well – though once again, from an outside perspective, it seems the Right have a well funded, well orchestrated campaign that they’ve been waging for some time now.
The actions of Sarah Palin speak for themselves. She seeks to incite violence with her words and her actions – it beggars belief that the Republicans have closed ranks around her. I guess political gain has no ethical boundaries. I think she has gone too far – this is my point of view. When people start to talk of second amendment solutions you are not far from civil war, or genocide.
– it’s pretty clear how polarised your society has become and it saddens me … I feel Americans have been separated from each other so that all they can think about are their own circumstances.
You had it all, but big business calls the shots now. It is a social experiment with unknown consequences.
Best wishes.
Marty
The fact that you believe Republicans have closed ranks around Sarah Palin shows you haven’t the foggiest idea what you are talking about. I’m a Conservative, yet I have no desire to see her as President (unless Pres. Obama is the only other choice)
Seriously, your ‘outside’ perspective hasn’t been given the facts of what vitriol the left has spewed for over 10 years. You have a lot to learn…or ignore.
The Right’s anger is a RE-action.
This “violence” BS is fiction to dissolve it.
It is far too late for that to work.
At no time during the last 10 years did I ever hear of any elected Democrat calling for assassinations. Can you find me any instances of that?
I’m sure you don’t like what hippies yell at the WTO rallies, but they don’t have the audience that Palin and Angle do. Plenty of vitriol came from the left during the Bush years… from a contested election to an unjust war waged on contrived intelligence to the loss of civil liberties to Halliburton’s no-bid contracts… you bet the left was mad.
But you know what? After Kathleen Harris gave the election to Bush, there was no national movement that dug in and refused to recognize him as president. There were a lot of liberals that didn’t like it, but nothing like The Birthers, who still run strong today.
And I never heard any Democrat advocating running down Conservatives with dogs, or carrying automatic weapons to rallies.
I am really not impressed about the Right’s righteous anger. Those of us who screamed about the insanity of the Iraq war and were called un-American traitors for it aren’t impressed. It’s wonderful to sit here all these years, lives, and billions of dollars later and be told how mad YOU are. You can bloody shove your anger.
But hey, let’s slow down here, I’m getting caught up in the blame game… You know, you’re right, you can’t just go blaming semi-connected remarks or events for something like this.
Let’s see who Rush blames…
Heavy Metal Music – “The guy listened to heavy metal, and some of that anarchist stuff. We’re dealing with an insane individual.”
Parents – “Where are the parents? Are they derelicts? He was so devoted to marijuana he wanted to make it the new U.S. currency. Did anyone try to institutionalize him?”
Democrats – “Loughner is obviously deranged, so where’s the left’s safety net? Haven’t we spent trillions of dollars to build a system to catch these disturbed people? Where is the evidence that their compassion works?”
Obama – “Obama needs his own Oklahoma City.”
Everybody Else“At no time has anybody ever called for violence. We’ve never subtly promoted it. The Democrats’ language is and was worse.”
Well thanks for clearing that up, Rush. So, the people who talked about using guns and bullets – not to blame at all. Not one little bit. It was Metallica and Democrats.
Glad we got that straight.
loughner is an independent, and has the extremes of both parties. the responsibility is of neither party, but of loughner.
quit blaming politics, and blame the person.
Anyone ever thought of the party for Americans?
America is Fscked.
If “Second Amendment remedies” and “Don’t retreat, reload” aren’t subtle promotions of violence… What are they?
If you said those things to the Secret Service, how do you think they would classify them?
Think hard.
@C1
In the case of Palin and Coulter and other prominent figures, aren”t these terms merely self-serving? I mean that they deliberately use extreme terminology to get attention to promote/publicize themselves.
The rhetoric is inexcusable and downright low class. Does it promote violence? Difficult to say but I suspect only among those already on the edge who had behavioral problems anyway.
SANE people do not react to this other than it getting their attention….on both sides of the political spectrum.
Long time lurker.
This thread proves without a shadow of doubt that ChrissyOne is an opportunistic, heartless low life.
ChrissyOne,
I used to have at least some shred of respect for you. Why, I have no idea.
Blame the hormone injections, honey, it’s your only way out.
Anyone, left or right, who seeks to politicize this, when all facts show no link to anything but major league mental problems, is an opportunistic, heartless low life.
I pity those who attempt such folly.
Opportunistic Libs who are pitifully trying to resurrect their shellacked party of failed ideas by exploiting the death of an innocent little girl and many other deaths and injuries are digging their own graves — figuratively speaking, of course.
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@Christie and that useless tit called First 2010
What childish immature responses….said only to invoke deliberate hurt. C1 feels frustrated, as many of us do, about the extreme phrasing of supposedly ‘socially responsible’ public figures. I feel exactly the same way though I agree with TowerTone’s idea that presumably most conservatives dislike the rhetoric as well but do not think it causes widespread violence. In anycase, I am surprised that any American would tolerate this crap, not because of the violence, because it serves NO PURPOSE. Debating issues is important, calling others poo-poo heads or wiping them out is intellectually lazy or, as I mentioned earlier, overt fiscally related self-promotion.
Politicians should be uniting the USA, not dividing it and this extreme type of rhetoric only divides it. The level of gov’t in your life is a sliding scale and you find people comfortable at all places along that scale. Respect that, tolerate that, and try to act like adults for the love of God.
See, at least they don’t stoop to cheap shots…
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@ Buster
I’m not sure how much time you’ve spent down here… But when anyone might be armed, and have some sort of bent religious worldview, then one can feel that it might not take a lot to set some military-reject survivalist off.
I maintain that if you said something about not retreating but reloading to the Secret Service, or perhaps at an airline checkpoint, they probably wouldn’t be amused.
That said, I’m not trying to imply, despite the absolutist geniuses anonymously posting above, that anything a politician said direct caused a man to kill. But I do think that they are responsible creating a Climate of Hate. And when you do that, then don’t be shocked when the more unbalanced among us begin to snap. No, I don’t think Sarah Palin, that adorable little media darling, should be charged with anything. But if she had any kind of integrity at all she would at least consider he place in this. That she doesn’t, and so many here vigorously defend her, speaks volumes on the hypocrisy of American Politics, and of the party of which I was once a member.
Yeah, a decade ago, just when TT was starting to get mad, I was a card carrying Republican… But the more time went on, and the less I felt I could reasonably apologize for the colossal foolishness of the Bush admin, and the more the party sunk into corportism and religious pandering, the more sick of the machine I got.
Now I’m a scumbag, as illustrated so artfully by the Pantoms of MDN, for suggesting that we should actually take ownship of the words we use, and that we are judged by them. I know now that’s just a marketing phrase that Rush uses to peddle Hooked on Phonics, and never really meant anything.
well put
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2011/01/11/20110111tue1-11.html
Odd that my railing against rhetoric is considered rhetoric.
Did my post-doc at UCLA so lived in La-La land for 2 years. Lived most of my adult life near the New York border so we get our daily fill of American politics.
I, like all Canadians, feel uncomfortable about owning firearms other than hunting rifles. Handguns, automatic and semi-automatic weapons are meant for one purpose only…to kill humans.
Canadians also try to hold their politicians accountable re: what they say. One time the Conservative party tried to make fun of Chretien’s warped smile (due to Bell’s palsy when he was young) and said..’Do you want this man representing you on the world stage?’. Conservatives everywhere (the majority anyway) condemned this…and the conservatives lost the election…badly.
This is why we view Palin as a joke. Perhaps the media has been a little cruel to her but I think she appeals to the low end. Conservatives with half a brain probably shudder at the thought of her leading a political party now that they know her (and through dancing with the stars), her family. I agree with you that she should be more socially responsible in her prose. All politicians should. Perhaps if people on both sides of the fence start demanding that of their leaders at the municipal, state and federal levels, regardless of whether it is within your own party, perhaps civility and tolerance will rwin the day …but then the US is certainly a different culture than us.
Interesting article TT. Seems like the sheriff is basking in his 15 minutes of fame. Although I agree with his thesis about stopping the rhetoric, it is not the forum for it.
If it means anything, at the end of the day I think very few people here think you are spouting rhetoric. Its not the same as voicing an opinion or suggesting a different perspective.
ChrissyOne and all who defend the shameless tactics of the Olbermanns and Daily Koses of the world,
Please read the linked article below, reflect upon it, and then come back here and apologize like an adult who has a conscience, instead of continuing to act like a four-year-old who lashes out blindly whenever they happen to “feel” something.
You’re adults, so use your brain. That would be some “change” we could all really believe in.
David Brooks: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/opinion/11brooks.html
P.S. Everyone is angry and upset about this shooting, so — wild idea — instead of inventing culprits, why don’t we blame the actual fscker who did this and fry him up nice and quick, okay?
Why don’t we blame MDN for using the word “spree” in a headline the evening before the shooting?
Obviously, that’s what set off the Tuscon Freak.
Hey, it makes as much sense as blaming Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh!
@ Samantha
Please show me where I have ever defended Olbermann.
Oh wow, can’t.
You babbling fool.
“The Olbermanns,” as in people of his ilk.
Try to keep up, you misguided, soulless bitch.