“The expensive advertising program (rumored to be half a billion dollars) which will be launched soon, and the efforts of various hardware companies and cell phone carriers rallied to support Vista 7 are likely to be a doomed and completely wasted effort.,” Mills writes. “This will certainly end Microsoft’s presence in the mobile market, which includes both smart phones and slate computers.”
MacDailyNews Take: Or force them to buy RIM.
Mills writes, “Microsoft has failed to preform. Zune, Ken [sic], Vista and now Mobile Vista 7 have all failed to offer anything really new or compelling to excite consumers or investors in Microsoft products or stock. The issue is not as much what the new platform amounts to, but the poor timing and lack of compelling new features.”
“Had this new platform been launched shortly after iPhone took off, it would be different,” Mills writes. “Had this mobile OS been launched about the same time as Google’s Android OS, Vista 7 might have found a market. It is just too late for something that is not really compelling. Windows Mobile 6.5 is expected to remain the Microsoft platform for business smart phones while the new Vista 7 will be the consumer smartphone platform. Neither platform is compelling.”
Full article here.
Ow. Remember how the press used to find no fault with Microsoft? Those days are long gone now!
Ow. Remember how the press used to find no fault with Microsoft? Those days are long gone now!
Makes the casket carrying MS employees have a whole different outlook on the future doesn’t it?
Makes the casket carrying MS employees have a whole different outlook on the future doesn’t it?
An Apple hack spouting off in a Mac blog. Puhleez! Watch and marvel at the wonder that is Windows Mobile 7!!
” We like our strategy; we like it a lot!”
An Apple hack spouting off in a Mac blog. Puhleez! Watch and marvel at the wonder that is Windows Mobile 7!!
” We like our strategy; we like it a lot!”
Maybe the world is just ready for a change from MSFT.
Maybe the world is just ready for a change from MSFT.
Yeah, but my guess is MS is going to start giving these away just so the can claim some sort of market-share. You’re going to be seeing a lot of buy one, get two free deals. Then MS is going to start claiming how many units they have activated… blah blah blah.
Same ole, same ole.
Yeah, but my guess is MS is going to start giving these away just so the can claim some sort of market-share. You’re going to be seeing a lot of buy one, get two free deals. Then MS is going to start claiming how many units they have activated… blah blah blah.
Same ole, same ole.
First Zune, then the Kin. When will they learn.
As long as it takes!
First Zune, then the Kin. When will they learn.
As long as it takes!
Meanwhile, avoid reading the usual tech news sources this morning the retenue of tech media and bloggers who are on a Microshaft-paid junket either to New York or London are falling all over themselves in fawning adoration of Steve Ballmer, the Dear Leader. Rumored is that the Arang Mass Games have been borrowed from Pyongyang for the Vista 7 Mobile launch.
Let’s hope that this time, consumers aren’t sheep.
Meanwhile, avoid reading the usual tech news sources this morning the retenue of tech media and bloggers who are on a Microshaft-paid junket either to New York or London are falling all over themselves in fawning adoration of Steve Ballmer, the Dear Leader. Rumored is that the Arang Mass Games have been borrowed from Pyongyang for the Vista 7 Mobile launch.
Let’s hope that this time, consumers aren’t sheep.
Too little too late to the mobile computing party..
Epic Fail Microwhat..
Too little too late to the mobile computing party..
Epic Fail Microwhat..
People, this is from Macsimum News. Not exactly what I would call main-stream object press. Would you? Is it so terribly surprising that they wrote this (no matter how true it is)?
Move along. Nothing (new) to see here…
People, this is from Macsimum News. Not exactly what I would call main-stream object press. Would you? Is it so terribly surprising that they wrote this (no matter how true it is)?
Move along. Nothing (new) to see here…
Now picking on WinPho7 is is much fun to me as it is to any of you, but seriously… This article is a poorly written piece of junk. He keeps calling it Mobile Vista 7, which is just as cheap and wrong as saying MAC or Iphone like MDN loves to poke fun at.
Let’s attack WP7 for its actual shortcomings like it deserves. They won’t be hard to find.
Now picking on WinPho7 is is much fun to me as it is to any of you, but seriously… This article is a poorly written piece of junk. He keeps calling it Mobile Vista 7, which is just as cheap and wrong as saying MAC or Iphone like MDN loves to poke fun at.
Let’s attack WP7 for its actual shortcomings like it deserves. They won’t be hard to find.
nah, it won’t flop. WP 7 will take a big chunk of sales from Android – ending Android’s big growth splurg of the last year. and a big question is how well it will do against the new Symbian 3 globally. if Symbian 3 stalls, Nokia may well adopt WP 7 in its place.
nah, it won’t flop. WP 7 will take a big chunk of sales from Android – ending Android’s big growth splurg of the last year. and a big question is how well it will do against the new Symbian 3 globally. if Symbian 3 stalls, Nokia may well adopt WP 7 in its place.
Zune, Ken, Vista and now Mobile Vista 7 have all failed to offer anything really new or compelling to excite consumers or investors in Microsoft products or stock.
Duck for cover when Ballmer discovers, that like everything else, he’s too late for Ken, too.
Is there a Flying Chairs screen saver for Mac?
Oh sure Chrissy… take all the fun out of it. ;-p
Zune, Ken, Vista and now Mobile Vista 7 have all failed to offer anything really new or compelling to excite consumers or investors in Microsoft products or stock.
Duck for cover when Ballmer discovers, that like everything else, he’s too late for Ken, too.
Is there a Flying Chairs screen saver for Mac?
Oh sure Chrissy… take all the fun out of it. ;-p
At least Microsoft has a decent notification system unlike my iPhone. I really hope Apple does an overhaul for the next release of iOS.
At least Microsoft has a decent notification system unlike my iPhone. I really hope Apple does an overhaul for the next release of iOS.
I’m as much of a Apple/Mac/iOS freak as anyone, but a second-string guy from Macsimum News who wrote this BEFORE the official release?
You CAN’T be serious, MDN!
WinMob 7 has got to be MUCH worse than even this dweeb can imagine.
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I’m as much of a Apple/Mac/iOS freak as anyone, but a second-string guy from Macsimum News who wrote this BEFORE the official release?
You CAN’T be serious, MDN!
WinMob 7 has got to be MUCH worse than even this dweeb can imagine.
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@ChrissyOne. Absolutely!
@ChrissyOne. Absolutely!
@Paul Thurrot
Uh, Paul, there are three T’s in your name.
@Paul Thurrot
Uh, Paul, there are three T’s in your name.
So MDN is suggesting that Microsoft could be circling the RIM in more ways than one …
So MDN is suggesting that Microsoft could be circling the RIM in more ways than one …
I know how you could fail to perform… but how do you fail to “preform”?!
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“The expensive advertising program (rumored to be half a billion dollars) which will be launched soon…”
They could have plunked down $10 Mil for an Apple iAd and had a more compelling marketing campaign! Oh well, if MS has the money to burn!…
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I know how you could fail to perform… but how do you fail to “preform”?!
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“The expensive advertising program (rumored to be half a billion dollars) which will be launched soon…”
They could have plunked down $10 Mil for an Apple iAd and had a more compelling marketing campaign! Oh well, if MS has the money to burn!…
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M$ has lotsof “relationships” in it’s cartel and will doubtlessly sell some phones in the short term.
Second, some people might want a cheap smart phone and many who aren’t that wrapped up in this stuff will take it as good enough.
Long term, given the time M$ has had and the resources available to it- I don’t see anything special.
M$ has lotsof “relationships” in it’s cartel and will doubtlessly sell some phones in the short term.
Second, some people might want a cheap smart phone and many who aren’t that wrapped up in this stuff will take it as good enough.
Long term, given the time M$ has had and the resources available to it- I don’t see anything special.
@ Jim – TIV
I feel it’s important we remain superior.
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@ Jim – TIV
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Proves that the market moves too fast today, Apple is generating product and upgrades at a pace Microsoft cannot keep up with. Microsofts time tested technique of copying and improving a product at a low cost and bundling it with something else doesn’t work today.
It wouldn’t have worked for Google either, if Eric T. Mole had not had such a head start to copy Apple prior to the introduction of the iPhone.
It must really grate on S. Jobs what Eric T. Mole did.
Proves that the market moves too fast today, Apple is generating product and upgrades at a pace Microsoft cannot keep up with. Microsofts time tested technique of copying and improving a product at a low cost and bundling it with something else doesn’t work today.
It wouldn’t have worked for Google either, if Eric T. Mole had not had such a head start to copy Apple prior to the introduction of the iPhone.
It must really grate on S. Jobs what Eric T. Mole did.
Maybe “Ken” wasn’t a typo. The next version of WP7 will be code-named “Barbie”. After a reboot sound will be a female voice saying, “programming is hard!”
Maybe “Ken” wasn’t a typo. The next version of WP7 will be code-named “Barbie”. After a reboot sound will be a female voice saying, “programming is hard!”
Not RIM – Microsoft should buy Nokia
Microsoft could buy more market share with Nokia and this deal would even offer more synergy, because Nokia is weak in software development and without a soon success of WP7 Microsoft will loose his hardware partners.
Could the Nokia deal change anything to the better. No, because first products would be more than a year away and this is far too late – but Microsoft will sooner run out of money.
Not RIM – Microsoft should buy Nokia
Microsoft could buy more market share with Nokia and this deal would even offer more synergy, because Nokia is weak in software development and without a soon success of WP7 Microsoft will loose his hardware partners.
Could the Nokia deal change anything to the better. No, because first products would be more than a year away and this is far too late – but Microsoft will sooner run out of money.
Supposedly today’s the day when Ballmer and AT&T’s De La Vega take the stage in NYC to announce Microsoft’s entry into the mobile space with a new OS and phones from Samsung, HTC, and LG.
Oddly absent is Verizon and Sprint and China (CDMA).
Microsoft, what could you possibly offer that comes anywhere close to what Andy Rubin’s got cooking with Android? Because, you’re gonna’ have to go through them to get to iOS and you just don’t have the legs for it.
Supposedly today’s the day when Ballmer and AT&T’s De La Vega take the stage in NYC to announce Microsoft’s entry into the mobile space with a new OS and phones from Samsung, HTC, and LG.
Oddly absent is Verizon and Sprint and China (CDMA).
Microsoft, what could you possibly offer that comes anywhere close to what Andy Rubin’s got cooking with Android? Because, you’re gonna’ have to go through them to get to iOS and you just don’t have the legs for it.
In the photos, Ballmer had the new phones displayed using black mesh business card holders (from Staples?) as stands… Pretty pathetic really. At the very least they could have gotten some nicer stands. I guess if it looks like shit, works like shit, feels like shit, and smells like shit – it probably is shit, and there is no need to taste it to be sure.
In the photos, Ballmer had the new phones displayed using black mesh business card holders (from Staples?) as stands… Pretty pathetic really. At the very least they could have gotten some nicer stands. I guess if it looks like shit, works like shit, feels like shit, and smells like shit – it probably is shit, and there is no need to taste it to be sure.
I can’t believe this got linked as a “news” article. It’s nothing more than a rambling, opinionated rant. I see better writing in the MDN comments.
I mean, I may agree with the sentiment behind the article, but c’mon MDN. This just makes you look bad.
——RM
I can’t believe this got linked as a “news” article. It’s nothing more than a rambling, opinionated rant. I see better writing in the MDN comments.
I mean, I may agree with the sentiment behind the article, but c’mon MDN. This just makes you look bad.
——RM
Of course it will flop. And then dance monkey boy will do another pathological dance performance to demonstrate how much he loves his company. All is well.
Of course it will flop. And then dance monkey boy will do another pathological dance performance to demonstrate how much he loves his company. All is well.
it’s another “not apple” for the internally thwarted crowd.
it’s another “not apple” for the internally thwarted crowd.
Why is he calling it “Vista 7”? Why make flat-out predictions? Why put your neck out to look like an absolute fool 6~12 months down the line like all those fools (including Ballmer) who predicted doom for the iPhone and the iPad? People can say that it probably won’t do too well and things like that but why bother with stating what will exactly happen? Let’s just wait and see how things play out.
Why is he calling it “Vista 7”? Why make flat-out predictions? Why put your neck out to look like an absolute fool 6~12 months down the line like all those fools (including Ballmer) who predicted doom for the iPhone and the iPad? People can say that it probably won’t do too well and things like that but why bother with stating what will exactly happen? Let’s just wait and see how things play out.
Everyone is so focused on how well the platform performs and not bothered to question the underlying business model that Microsoft has adopted here. How are they supposed to make money off of this thing? The license revenue will be utterly negligible – no manufacturer is going to pay MS more than a buck or two per phone.
Advertising revenue will be pennies here and there and they’re destined to compete as a minor bit player against googles adsense and apples admob. Even if they succeed in capturing 50% of the market (yeah right) the profit margin will be a joke, if anything windows mobile 7 will have to operate as a loss leader for the foreseeable future.
Microsoft right now is blowing through cash at a phenomenal rate. There’s only a year or two they can keep this up without depleting their dubious bank assets to less than zero.
Everyone is so focused on how well the platform performs and not bothered to question the underlying business model that Microsoft has adopted here. How are they supposed to make money off of this thing? The license revenue will be utterly negligible – no manufacturer is going to pay MS more than a buck or two per phone.
Advertising revenue will be pennies here and there and they’re destined to compete as a minor bit player against googles adsense and apples admob. Even if they succeed in capturing 50% of the market (yeah right) the profit margin will be a joke, if anything windows mobile 7 will have to operate as a loss leader for the foreseeable future.
Microsoft right now is blowing through cash at a phenomenal rate. There’s only a year or two they can keep this up without depleting their dubious bank assets to less than zero.
ba-ba-ba-BA-ba—i’m lovin’ it.
ba-ba-ba-BA-ba—i’m lovin’ it.
Windows phone 7 phones will sell like hotcakes in BOGO or 2fer mode.
BOGO or 2fer mode is two for the price of one sales. It pushes Android crap like crazy, it’ll do the same for Windows 7 phone crap.
Hell, cheap as borscht has done it for Windows products for years.
Windows phone 7 phones will sell like hotcakes in BOGO or 2fer mode.
BOGO or 2fer mode is two for the price of one sales. It pushes Android crap like crazy, it’ll do the same for Windows 7 phone crap.
Hell, cheap as borscht has done it for Windows products for years.
So this guy is telling us there was ever something compelling in Windblows?
Wow
So this guy is telling us there was ever something compelling in Windblows?
Wow
The funniest thing on the internet today is Paul Thurrott live blogging the Windows Phone 7 series press conference announcement. I understand a breathless audience of dozens was hanging on every word.
The funniest thing on the internet today is Paul Thurrott live blogging the Windows Phone 7 series press conference announcement. I understand a breathless audience of dozens was hanging on every word.
Zune, Kin, and now Windows 7 Mobile: The “Epic FAIL” hat-trick!
Zune, Kin, and now Windows 7 Mobile: The “Epic FAIL” hat-trick!
From the article:
“Microsoft’s new Mobile OS appears to be a stone loser”
Yeah, and we knew this was the case the day they announced its specs. Too little, waayyyy too late, SOS: Same OId Shite.
Chalk up yet-another Microsoft DEATH THROW. Now we get to watch the moribund company shake, shimmy and writhe in agony for a few more months. Doctor CA$H will come to the rescue, MS will live to bungle another day, and we will get years more of joyful entertainment. I just feel bad for the suckers who’ll be hurt while we sit around placing bets as to when the invalid will expire.
From the article:
“Microsoft’s new Mobile OS appears to be a stone loser”
Yeah, and we knew this was the case the day they announced its specs. Too little, waayyyy too late, SOS: Same OId Shite.
Chalk up yet-another Microsoft DEATH THROW. Now we get to watch the moribund company shake, shimmy and writhe in agony for a few more months. Doctor CA$H will come to the rescue, MS will live to bungle another day, and we will get years more of joyful entertainment. I just feel bad for the suckers who’ll be hurt while we sit around placing bets as to when the invalid will expire.
A special ‘HELLO!’ to the anti-Apple trolls! Watch and learn little ones. Your efforts have all been for naught. We laugh at you.
A special ‘HELLO!’ to the anti-Apple trolls! Watch and learn little ones. Your efforts have all been for naught. We laugh at you.
With half a billion in advertising and hardware to put the OS on, they will likely have some numbers. I think it more likely that they will be the ‘just a phone’ OS. Nobody liking or caring, it just happens to be on the phone they got.
With half a billion in advertising and hardware to put the OS on, they will likely have some numbers. I think it more likely that they will be the ‘just a phone’ OS. Nobody liking or caring, it just happens to be on the phone they got.
The big Shity
The big Shity
To paraphrase Steve J, “peter.s., I’ve got you in my sights”;
No –> “Microsoft will loose his hardware partners.”
Yes –> “Microsoft will lose his hardware partners. “
Unless you meant that Microsoft will set loose, set free, or unleash these hardware partners. Example; “Loose the dogs of war.”
(I will ignore the use of “his”.)
Really, people, is it that difficult?
To paraphrase Steve J, “peter.s., I’ve got you in my sights”;
No –> “Microsoft will loose his hardware partners.”
Yes –> “Microsoft will lose his hardware partners. “
Unless you meant that Microsoft will set loose, set free, or unleash these hardware partners. Example; “Loose the dogs of war.”
(I will ignore the use of “his”.)
Really, people, is it that difficult?
I’m going to post all my ad, PR and catalog copy in the comments section here for free proof-reading. What a deal!
I’m going to post all my ad, PR and catalog copy in the comments section here for free proof-reading. What a deal!
When will the reviews come out? Only then will I consider this phone serious… or not.
When will the reviews come out? Only then will I consider this phone serious… or not.
It will be just one more mobile phone. MS has two huge problems.
1. The OEMs don’t care. They all either enamored with “free” Android or rolling their own mobile OS.
2. At $8 to $15 per license, WinMo7 will never bring in any kind of revenue. Think about it. Apple sells 10 million iPhones and brings in $6 Billion. MS sells 10 million WM7 phones and gets around $10 million.
It will be just one more mobile phone. MS has two huge problems.
1. The OEMs don’t care. They all either enamored with “free” Android or rolling their own mobile OS.
2. At $8 to $15 per license, WinMo7 will never bring in any kind of revenue. Think about it. Apple sells 10 million iPhones and brings in $6 Billion. MS sells 10 million WM7 phones and gets around $10 million.
Really? Posting an article from a guy who can’t spell Kin, and doesn’t know the OS is Windows Phone 7, with no Vista in the name? Losing some credibility here MDN.
Really? Posting an article from a guy who can’t spell Kin, and doesn’t know the OS is Windows Phone 7, with no Vista in the name? Losing some credibility here MDN.
Paul Thurrot is Zune Tang!
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If not, then a similar brainless person… Maybe these are all Sarah Palin’s secret identities on the web?!?!?
Paul Thurrot is Zune Tang!
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If not, then a similar brainless person… Maybe these are all Sarah Palin’s secret identities on the web?!?!?
I have owned 3 iPhones, the original, a 3G, and a 3GS. I have an iPad, a MacBookPro, and an iMac.
This article from Greg Mills is FUD. Such garbage is beneath a true Apple fan.
I watched the Windows Phone 7 Keynote yesterday. Although Microsoft has copied some important iOS ideas, they have added a number of very good new ideas as well. WP7 looks damn good, definitely better than Android and in some ways better than iOS.
Some examples:
WP 7’s camera app uses a dedicated hardware button that launches the camera directly from sleep and doubles as the shutter button;
The dedicated web search button integrates local device, web, maps search, plus it accepts voice input;
The dedicated back button – my girlfriend has an iPhone 4 and complains about iOS’ inconsistent back button implementation everyday;
The ability to put contacts on the home screen for one touch access;
The alphabet grid for quickly locating contacts by last name.
Apple should look at what MS has done very carefully and respond with similarly well integrated features or risk getting overtaken in the future.
Believe me, it pains me to write this comment, I AM NOT an MS fanboy. I’m a die hard Apple fan and I want to see Apple win.
I have owned 3 iPhones, the original, a 3G, and a 3GS. I have an iPad, a MacBookPro, and an iMac.
This article from Greg Mills is FUD. Such garbage is beneath a true Apple fan.
I watched the Windows Phone 7 Keynote yesterday. Although Microsoft has copied some important iOS ideas, they have added a number of very good new ideas as well. WP7 looks damn good, definitely better than Android and in some ways better than iOS.
Some examples:
WP 7’s camera app uses a dedicated hardware button that launches the camera directly from sleep and doubles as the shutter button;
The dedicated web search button integrates local device, web, maps search, plus it accepts voice input;
The dedicated back button – my girlfriend has an iPhone 4 and complains about iOS’ inconsistent back button implementation everyday;
The ability to put contacts on the home screen for one touch access;
The alphabet grid for quickly locating contacts by last name.
Apple should look at what MS has done very carefully and respond with similarly well integrated features or risk getting overtaken in the future.
Believe me, it pains me to write this comment, I AM NOT an MS fanboy. I’m a die hard Apple fan and I want to see Apple win.
With 9 phones out of the gate and mild positive reviews, there isn’t enough there to offer a breakthrough product – in my mind it seems that it will only add to the clutter.
The iPhones offer a simple, clear choice to the increasingly complex array of choices and inconsistent behavior even of those on the same platform.
A CDMA iPhone is going to be a very aggressive play which should double it’s share as it will steal sales from both RIM and the Android-based phones.
With 9 phones out of the gate and mild positive reviews, there isn’t enough there to offer a breakthrough product – in my mind it seems that it will only add to the clutter.
The iPhones offer a simple, clear choice to the increasingly complex array of choices and inconsistent behavior even of those on the same platform.
A CDMA iPhone is going to be a very aggressive play which should double it’s share as it will steal sales from both RIM and the Android-based phones.