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West writes, “But no matter what the motivations or how the case turns out, Google will be changed forever.”
“Google is being dragged kicking and screaming into the world of patents,” West writes. “Welcome, Larry and Sergei, to the mess that is our 21st century intellectual property system.”
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You have to paid for everything in this life, nothing is free.
iPhone copy cats are going to pay they laziness and their users too because they never get the full functionality of the iphone and besides that, they will run out of support and updates.
How does Android looks now? not so cheap right? just like the “cheap” windows computers.
Do no evil Google doesn’t believe in patents or copyrights.
They are above such nuisances.
Think different and stop using other people sweat to craft your profit. They worked hard to develop it and should have some rewards. Too bad oracle is the one pushing for the sweat equity.
Google- plan ahead and look for problems by spending time and some money on “innovation”! Try not to be too cheap like your “super phone.”
Can Apple sue Google for implementing MultiTouch on their phones?
If so, are they waiting for the right time before do so?
Since everybody depends on Google search, nothing will happen. (Just like with Microsoft, back in the day.)
Ignorant Joel West wrote that Apple “does what whatever it wants to do like Microsoft in the 90’s”.
Sun Won this same case against Microsoft. So the history is with Oracle. Google will loose and Android will likely be abandoned by Google shortly after they loose.
Google has no stomach for loosing and then fixing their mistakes. With as ADD as Google is as a company, I surprised that they have kept their Android focus for as long as they have.
Comment by Daniel Eran Dilger here:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill-googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/
Nice article, but he doesn’t truly understand Oracle’s intentions. Oracle absolutely believes in openness… BUT you have to follow the rules of openness by contributing back to that openness. Google stole it, changed it, closed it off, and profited from it. Daniel Eran Dilger talks about this on roughlydrafted.com
Gee, just when I wondered what plans they (Jobs) had to stop Google from “killing the iPhone” this drops! I wish I was in Steve’s backyard garden a year or two back to have heard the conversation between billionaire buddys….Larry and Steve
It’s important to realize why Google created Android and how they make money from it. Google doesn’t make money off Android itself, but rather makes money from services they can provide for the platform. In that regard, they make pretty much the same money for each Android based phone as they do off each iPhone.
Where they benefit is that they have less competition from services that may be the default or exclusive on other platforms from competitors…specifically Microsoft.
This is very significant when you consider the benefit for R&D as it pertains to Google versus Apple (or RIM, Nokia, etc…). For Apple, new advances in iOS as well as the hardware means selling more units, which means direct profit as well as indirect profit from services (apps, content, Mobile Me, etc…). However, for Google, it becomes less critical to further develop Android once they’ve achieved entrenchment in their dominance of the services they provide (maps, search, YouTube, etc…).
It’s not entirely unlike Microsoft with developing Windows for the PC. Not enough people pay for Windows upgrades alone to make developing Windows a profitable business for Microsoft. Instead, Microsoft makes money on the licensing of Windows for new PCs being sold. While new versions of Windows influences new PC purchases, that’s far less direct of a connection and still doesn’t justify a huge R&D budget for Windows as compared to Apple which developing OS X (although Apple is incredibly more efficient and thus has a much lower R&D budget).
You start adding patent issues, fragmentation, and all the other things that it takes to be a platform developer, and Google is going to find that this is going to be a lot harder than it initially thought, and at some point Google will go through its own XP/IE6 phase.
Demon stated “Sun Won this same case against Microsoft. So the history is with Oracle. Google will loose and Android will likely be abandoned by Google shortly after they loose [sic].
Google has no stomach for loosing [sic] and then fixing their mistakes. With as ADD as Google is as a company, I surprised that they have kept their Android focus for as long as they have.”
Demon, your prediction cannot be more wrong. You are comparing apples and oranges. Microsoft proved that with enough money in the bank, even IP infringement and monopolistic practices can be done. Oracle isn’t going to stop Android, it just wants a cut of the action.
And please, not to nitpick, but the word “loose” means something different than you think it does.
@John Crawford:
Daniel Eran Dilger’s viewpoint is interesting; but personally, I wish he’d learn to express himself a little more succinctly.
I’ve thought from the start Android pretty much stole the Java syntax and killed the Java mobile momentum. I’ve always wonder who in Java camp is ballsy enough to stand up to the Gurglars.
It’s funny how Google got all bent out of shape over that $199 K-mart slate over open-source software issues and NOW Google is being sued over the very same thing. Buahahahahahaaaa!!!
I hate Google. They are sneaky.
Google has lost the consumer’s heart and trust by choosing might over right. They will never recover it.
This guy is the village idiot asshat supreme. But I have no sympathy for Google. I hate them.
@alansky “.. I wish he’d learn to express himself a little more succinctly”
DED is one of the very few people in tech writing who CAN make genuine sense of very technical subjects that leave other people floundering.
Just my view.
@Macaday
Absolutely. DED is at the top of my Apple analysis list.
Also, this article with more detail:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20013549-264.html?tag=mncol
Love this quote:
“During the integration meetings between Sun and Oracle, where we were being grilled about the patent situation between Sun and Google, we could see the Oracle lawyer’s eyes sparkle.”
If that quote is true, Google/Android should be very afraid.
ORCL wants a piece of Android’s $$$$$$$$$. Piece of every Android OS sold/licensed and every App sold on ‘that’ market place.
That’s how i would approach it if I was Oracle. Forget the one time pay off…
I’m so sick of Google (and Adobe) using the word “open” to benefit themselves while simultaneously creating proprietary systems.
@Giles
Start using DuckDuckGo and leave Google search behind. Very good search results without all the “Do (no) evil” nonsense of Google.
Readers here are too Apple centric.
Oracle is after IBM, Google is nothing more that death by friendly fire.
That? *than.
Arrrgh.
“Since everybody depends on Google search, nothing will happen”
We… depend… on Search now?
Dalvik is a clean room version of a java-like language and virtual machine. Good luck Oracle finding anything that belongs to them. By the time this ends, Android will be up to version 18. Stupid patent trolls at Oracle. This won’t make an ounce of difference to the juggernaut that is Android.
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You want succinct?
Dilger: “Google is nothing but a series of infringements snowballed together.”
Page, Brin & Schmidt think Google’s now too big to have to obey the rules, just like all bullies. And they’ll whimper and sob when they get a licking, just like all bullies. It’s about time.
Google got away with a hell of a lot (infringing intellectual property) in the early days, because it was done under the cloak of giving something away free to the whole world. Clever smokescreen – it was only ever about selling more ads and making themselves rich. Now that the Verizon net neutrality strategy has revealed their utter self serving greed in all its naked horror, they will never again be able to claim any “public good” in what they are doing.