CNBC’s Jim Goldman and Andy Hargreaves, Pacific Crest Securities analyst, discuss Apple vs. Google on the “Power Lunch” program:
Direct link to video via CNBC here.
MacDailyNews Take: Besides Apple vs. Google and Steve Jobs vs. Eric T. Mole, one thing’s plainly obvious after watching this video: “Power Lunch’s” Dennis Kneale is a twit.
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• On Vimeo, click the “Switch to HTML5 player” link below any video.
this is crap and not true, apple is NOT at war with google, this is getting old, really old
“Sorry MDN, I can’t view the video on my iPhone.”
I’ll second and third that.
Flash dominates 85% of the internet video content. You use Flash even when you don’t realize you are using it. Kind of silly to assume that you don’t use it simply because it’s working in the background.
Meanwhile, like the previous poster, I can’t see the video on my iPhone either.
Irony, at it’s best.
Goldman is an idiot, a fact he proves every time he opens his pie hole, even when he’s right.
@playnice
Well NBC mobile and CBS mobile are already flash free, YouTube and Vimeo are making the transition, and it seems that Universal is pressuring Hulu into undergoing the change as well. Like it or not, mobile and simple computing is the wave of the future, and a bloated and power consuming player like flash won’t work (not to mention that the majority of flash requires a cursor over, making the technology uselss on a touchscreen). Until Adobe creates a true mobile solution (Air is a start, but not there yet), they will be phased out for other options.
“Apple licensed Xerox technology because PARC wasn’t going to bring their ideas to market, and they licensed it to someone who would. Microsoft also visited PARC to get an idea of how to write software for graphical interfaces.”
True. Xerox’ PARC was one of those premier idea shops that repeatedly failed to develop those ideas into successful products. Postscript was also based on ideas developed at PARC. They did early work on local area networks too. Others took those ideas and ran with them.
I’m old enough to remember when major US firms like AT&T;, HP and Digital Equipment all had their own basic and applied research efforts. (I still remember the Bell Labs science films from my elementary school days.) Their disappearance from the scene seems to track the decline in US economic preeminence.
Dennis Kneale has always been a douchebag aside from being a twit. I can’t stand him, mostly because he just makes stupid remarks for the hell of it. just to be annoying!!
PlayNice:
Meaningful Flash content does NOT constitute 85% of the web content. I have a Flash blocker on my browser and I can safely say that only once in about twenty times I need to click on the “flash” placeholder icon in order to get to the content I need. And I’m confident that I’m not much out of the ordinary when it comes to web surfing.
You are seriously twisting history of Apple’s research and development. As many had said here, there were several things in the company history that they developed and brought to the world, but weren’t originally invented by them. The difference between that and actually stealing finished, developed and commercially implemented technology is colossal.
You don’t need to look at Wikipedia to find out that PARC team gladly agreed to give Apple access to their work, so that Apple can actually make something useful with it. And same thing happened with the ‘multi-touch’ concept. If what you’re saying (by quoting the same Wikipedia, ironically) is true, and multi-touch technology existed for the past 25 years, then WHERE are all those multi-touch devices based on that technology? It is one thing to invent a concept, without a clue how it can be practically used, and another to take an incredibly forward-looking, but yet quite abstract concept and implement it in something that masses would use and love.
…”They refuse to open up the programming on the iPhone to an open developing community.”
ANYONE can download the iPhone SDK and begin developing software right away. How much more open can it possibly get???
That statement is patently false. Goes a long way in discrediting the rest of the (fairly long-winded) post.
Doesn’t DON’T FEED THE TROLL mean anything, to anyone, any more?
Possible that animosity is staged? These issues / stories sure have buried the ‘apple vs ms’ taglines.
@ F*cking annoying troll AKA Play Nice:
“In December, 1979, Steve Jobs and a group of Apple Computer engineers toured the Xerox PARC laboratories and witnessed Xerox’s research into the GUI as demonstrated on the Alto computer. It was this moment that Steve Jobs realized that the future of computers was in the GUI, rather than the standard text-based interface.
In return for the right to buy US$1,000,000 of pre-IPO stock, Xerox granted Apple Computer three days access to the PARC facilities. During this time, Apple Computer purchased an opportunity for its engineers (in exchange for Apple stock shares) to observe and study Xerox’s interpretation of GUI or “WIMP” interfaces in the PARC project. After visiting PARC, they came away with new ideas that would complete the foundation for Apple Computer’s first GUI computer, the Apple Lisa.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple#Xerox_PARC_and_the_Lisa
@PlayNice
Come home son.
I’m so sorry. I don’t know what I was thinking back then.
I will breastfeed you now and I’m sorry not to have done it all those years ago.
I know you’re angry but it will all be ok if you just come home.
Mumsy will make it all better.
Promise.
Doesn’t anyone read the thread before commenting? The 3rd post (mine) called out CNBC on their “Apple stole from PARC” crack. Yet here comes the idiot, Playnice, 10 posts later parroting the same bullsh!t. Playnice is demented for sure, but it’s reporters like those on CNBC whose ignorance spreads this slander.
Can we please go beyond GUI and mice? I’d like to see an option for voice recognition. And I don’t mean with a headset. I used voice recognition with my TRS-80 in 1979. 1979. C’mon what’s the hold up? It should COME with the computer. Out of the box.
Say: turn out the lights.
Say: search for Apple.com
Say: turn on the tv etc.
And you should be able to program the it in an EASY to use language.
Don’t go away mad — just — F off!
hehe
All this talk of Xerox PARC is kinda making me nostalgic of the days of computer engineers who worked with mainframes, wore pen protectors and carried slide rules.
It was the attitude. If you got to talk to these guys, and got to know them behind their geek facade you discovered that these were pioneers that had so much before them, so many ideas in front of them, so much wealth that they wanted to share it with people. To advance human kind.
Take this idea and run with it. Heck I have learned to do it all the time. It isn’t hard to do.
It can be something simple, like changing the sound from the checkout counter from an obnoxious beep to a soft soothing tone. Or moving the keys from the dashboard to the steering column. Anyone remember why that was done? Of moving from a CLI (Command line interface) to a GUI (Graphic User Interface) to a OUI (Object User Interface).
I’ve tossed out this idea before and maybe someday someone will develop such an interface, going beyond the flat desktop into a true 3 D experience. Hey, it’s happening with TV.
Some people believe in the advancement of humanity. Now if we could get rid of this idea of ownership….
I tell you one thing. If Apl does launch a search engine and does start offering maps and therefore begins to take turf from Gogl, it will be a culture change that could transform Apl into a much bigger, bigger, broader company.
We would look back in 10 or 15 years and see the current Apl as a small, little hobby company. By comparison to what it may become.
Google is the catalyst for making it happen, how richly ironic, if it does happen.
Gogle has a lot to fear if this transformation takes place. Gogle thinks they own the internet, so they think they can do whatever they want.
This may be a turning point we’ll look back on in years to come.
@Road Warrior nli
“Now if we could get rid of this idea of ownership….”
There is this assumption that stuff gets developed for some altruistic purpose. It’s not true. Researchers in labs get paid to develop these advancements, either in a privately owned lab (like the old Bell Labs or PARC) or a publicly funded labs like a university. Privately owned labs either use the research to further their own products or sell or license it for monetary profit. The motivation in academia is more for notoriety and prestige, both of which ultimately translate into money via salaries, tenure, grants, speaking engagements, etc. Everyone profits in someway from ownership, including we end users who are continually “wowed” by the latest technology. Money is the grease the wheels of technology moving. And money is derived from ownership of a desired commodity. As mentioned endlessly above, Xerox didn’t give Apple their GUI technology, they traded it for ownership of Apple stock.
@Playtex
Please burn your iPhone… Microsoft has a mobile OS for you…
@Ray in the District
I believe Bell Labs were renamed Lucent more than a decade ago. AT&T;sold them, I think.
‘playnice’ broke his unwarranted Apple product, and he expects Apple to fix for free.
@Predrag,
You said: “Meaningful Flash content does NOT constitute 85% of the web content?”
So you are the meaningful content police and get to decide what is, and what isn’t, meaningful for all of us?
Did you get a badge with that position?
Is there a basis for the hypothesis that Apple might switch to Bing or is it just speculation? Without being any sort of expert, I would’ve thought such a scenario is unlikely.
What about the investment plans that Apple has for the East coast of the US? (Not being an American, I forget which state gave Apple significant tax breaks to lure the alleged billion dollar investment).
Apple is the Great Innovator. Wouldn’t it be cool if they’ve been secretly working on their own search engine for some time and are now about to dump Google for something way better than Google or Bing? It’s hard to keep a hardware development quiet because too many people outside Apple must inevitably become involved. A software-only development like a fabulous improved search engine, might be much easier to keep 100% secret.
That’s my fantasy, anyway. I don’t like any of todays’ search engines. They are ok but not great. Too many areas where major improvement could bring about yet another revolution in the internet. If it’s possible, I hope Apple does it.
Yes, I’m a troll for having a dissenting opinion. The ignorance of the mob mentality.
On the topic of Flash: Why do you think that Adobe won’t continue to innovate and make Flash better? You assume it will just stay bloated and die. Kind of like your arguments. Adobe is working with 8 out of the 9 major phone manufacturers to create an Adobe Mobile that will work with their existing platforms better. You can guess which company refuses to play ball. That goes for the desktop versions as well.
By the way, I’m typing on my Macbook Pro which runs Snow Leopard and has no problem with Flash. In fact, my SL Macbook Pro has never crashed or slowed down using Flash. Wonder why SL supports it but iPhone OS doesn’t? Apple just decided it wants to kill Flash, for no real reason other then to dominate the market and push them out. Kind of like Microsoft did with Internet Explorer. In the end, it’s about money.
I loved Steve Job’s quote about how “all that not doing evil stuff that Google says is *ullshit!” As if Jobs isn’t trying to do exactly what Google is doing and corner every market they can get their hands on.
Funny how Bill Gates built a fortune and is now traveling the world pledging to give back over 30 billion to efforts like education, clean water, and the eradication of Aids, yet all we hear about from Steve Jobs is how he is going to destroy his historic landmark house (which he was sued to prevent him from doing it) so he can build a modern castle and how Apple for years ignored the Chinese sweatshops that build it’s products.
“Think different” indeed.
Meanwhile – Microsoft Surface Technology has been around for a long time, and if you went to Vegas, I don’t know half a decade ago, you would have seen one of their tables at the major Casinos. Not only is it multi-touch, but it can actually recognize objects on it’s surface – much more cutting edge then multi-touch. Microsoft decided it had bigger plans then to worry about making it available on a mobile device – their strategic decision. The point is, Apple DID NOT invent multi-touch.
It doesn’t matter since Apple and Microsoft seem to be in bed together on search, the ultimate in Hypocrisy.
You knee-jerk fanboys need to grow up and stop slinging insults. It makes you look stupid and weak because you have nothing else to offer. Any idiot can tell someone to go F off.