CNBC’s Jim Goldman and Andy Hargreaves, Pacific Crest Securities analyst, discuss Apple vs. Google on the “Power Lunch” program:
Direct link to video via CNBC here.
MacDailyNews Take: Besides Apple vs. Google and Steve Jobs vs. Eric T. Mole, one thing’s plainly obvious after watching this video: “Power Lunch’s” Dennis Kneale is a twit.
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If Steve does hate Eric it’s understandable. It seems obvious that Eric befriended him, worked his way on to the board, and made off with some good idea’s. I’d be angry too
MDN: A twit that twitters like a putty tat
What’s with this “Apple stole from PARC”. Apple didn’t steal from PARC. Per Wikipedia: “Xerox was allowed to buy pre-IPO stock from Apple in exchange for engineer visits and an understanding that Apple would create a GUI product.”
Thanks a lot Mr. S. Since I have the same name with the same spelling you have ruined my dream of working at Apple by tarnishing it. Too bad I don’t want to work for Google…
helps him kick ass
my limited experience with google as a customer was awful ( ad sense ) they really really sucked ……………….
I say we see bing as an option, but time for Apple to go after search, ads, marketing, everything …………….. man is it going to feel good to short goog into the ground hahahahahahah
A case of “once bitten, twice shy” perhaps?
You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if all of this drama results only in Schmidt being removed by Google’s board. I’m sure no one over there thinks it’s a good idea to be fighting with Apple.
Sorry MDN, I can’t view the video on my iPhone
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Apple and Microsoft may have a future mobile collaboration?
I think somewhere there’s a mad scramble to find out what that guy’s smoking.
Eric is starting to look like Bill Gates doesn’t it? But I doubt Jobs has time to waste on hating people. He’s survived too much to misdirect his energy. People like Gates, Dell, and Schmidt come and go.
The real question is how much is MSFT paying these guys to fan the flame and spread LIES? We know blogs are unreliable editorial opinions, but hard to believe the day when the Enquirer contains more truth than the supposed major media outlets…
I’m not going to lie, I’m getting pretty tired of this Google/Apple war crap. It’s from the same dimbulbs that can’t grasp Apple’s place in the world, don’t understand why Google and Apple don’t constitute abusive monopolies, and haven’t been right about pretty much anything in last 5 years.
It’s gossip, pure and simple, and it’s the product of bored and venal minds.
I wonder how far away we are from from Apple resurrecting Sherlock to have their own search engine.
Take home message: Apple hypocrites, Apple stole it’s original designs from Xerox. A point most of you don’t remember because you weren’t even alive in the 80s. Welcome to the world of technology.
Oh, I hated Eric, first!
@playnice
ura tool, read the thread before u put ur foot in ur mouth and sond like an ignoramus
@ PlayNice – Apple paid for a tour of the Xerox PARC facilities, and a license to any technology they observed there. So, your use of the word “stole” here has no basis in reality.
“Welcome to the world of technology,” indeed – might be helpful to know your facts first, eh?
@ PlayNice – Here’s a link to get you started learning more – feel free to search for other sources, there’s not much disagreement on the facts.
I believe that Apple DID license Xerox’s technology. I wish people would review the facts before they speak.
Paid for a tour? And any licensed technologies? You’ve got to be kidding me, right? That is a joke. Let’s see Apple allow someone to go through their facilities on a “tour” and steal any of their technologies that they observed.
It is widely held that Apple took other peoples work. Whether it was through some amazingly poorly written agreement, or not. Their original designs came from Xerox. By your logic, Apple should have no problem opening their doors to competitors and pay a licensing fee to steal everything they’ve done.
How absurd.
@PlayNice
Go back under your bridge, troll. We don’t need any more idiots on this forum.
@play nice:
You are incorrect. Apple licensed Xerox technology because PARC wasn’t going to bring their ideas to market, and they licensed it to someone who would. Microsoft also visited PARC to get an idea of how to write software for graphical interfaces.
And yes, apple has taken ideas from others over the years, as all companies have. However, they have never taken patented technologies or IP from other people. It has happened to them on many occasions on the other hand. Most competitors wait for Apple to set a market and create a model, then shamlessly copy it as vest they can
Oh, and thanks for quoting a website that isn’t actually a reliable, verified source of information.
Even by that information, Apple just hired former Xerox people to steal the technology. Funny, that’s what Palm did and when the PRE started acting like an iPod, Apple freaked out and threatened to sue. Even if they aren’t hypocrites on paper, they are in principle. That is the point.
And after all the rivalry with Microsoft (see 4,000 “I’m a Mac ads”) they are willing to get into bed with Microsoft to stick it to google?
If Bing shows up on my iPhone I will burn it and say goodbye to shitty AT&T;service and go to a carrier who can actually deliver value, and call and coverage quality.
I have been a loyal Apple “fanboy” for a very long time, but Apple is getting to the point where I am starting to despise them like I did Microsoft.
They don’t like Flash, which DOMINATES the internet so they decide they are just going to try and take down 85% of the internet, bullying content providers to switch away. Who does that sound like to you? They refuse to open up the programming on the iPHone to an open developing community. Who does that sound like to you?
All of the principles that made Apple a great “different” company are going down the drain for corporate greed and domination of the market. They own the music market, they are getting close to owning the phone market and now they want the mobile computing market and they will crush anyone who will stand in their way.
P.S. Multi touch was invented 25 years ago in Bell labs. Here is the quote directly from Wikipedia
“The technology behind Surface is called multi-touch and has at least a 25-year history,[7] beginning in 1982, with pioneering work being done at the University of Toronto (multi-touch tablets) and Bell Labs (multi-touch screens). The product idea for Surface was initially conceptualized in 2001 by Steven Bathiche of Microsoft Hardware and Andy Wilson of Microsoft Research.”
The big risk is that Steve will be so distracted by his animosity for his former friend that the Mac, its OS, and the Apple software will lag while he devotes all his energy to iPhone and iPad.
Great example: upcoming meaningless MacPro upgrade.
I’ve been using the Internet almost daily since Netscape 1. Besides accidentally “run into” Flash site (and back out quickly), and knowing there are Flash ads (which I never click on) next to the main content on some sites I visit, I have never “used” Flash. I can do EVERYTHING I NEED to do on the web WITHOUT Flash. When someone CLAIMS that Flash “DOMINATES” the Web I have to laugh. That’s like saying since rats and cockroaches outnumber human beings, we should recognize them as superior life form. You guys are the ones living in a distorted reality.
I never liked Schmidt much myself.
As others mentioned, Apple din’t steal anything from Xerox. They legally licensed something Xerox had no interest in developing, then developed a revolutionary new product of of the PARC bare bones project.The Xerox mouse was a block of wood with sensors attached.
Let’s see, Apple has recently bought a map company and an internet ad company. You’d have figure there is a sudden interest in competing with Google’s product. When Jobs gets pissed he doesn’t sit around and mope. That huge “war chest” can make a lot happen in a hurry.
this is crap and not true, apple is NOT at war with google, this is getting old, really old
“Sorry MDN, I can’t view the video on my iPhone.”
I’ll second and third that.
Flash dominates 85% of the internet video content. You use Flash even when you don’t realize you are using it. Kind of silly to assume that you don’t use it simply because it’s working in the background.
Meanwhile, like the previous poster, I can’t see the video on my iPhone either.
Irony, at it’s best.
Goldman is an idiot, a fact he proves every time he opens his pie hole, even when he’s right.
@playnice
Well NBC mobile and CBS mobile are already flash free, YouTube and Vimeo are making the transition, and it seems that Universal is pressuring Hulu into undergoing the change as well. Like it or not, mobile and simple computing is the wave of the future, and a bloated and power consuming player like flash won’t work (not to mention that the majority of flash requires a cursor over, making the technology uselss on a touchscreen). Until Adobe creates a true mobile solution (Air is a start, but not there yet), they will be phased out for other options.
“Apple licensed Xerox technology because PARC wasn’t going to bring their ideas to market, and they licensed it to someone who would. Microsoft also visited PARC to get an idea of how to write software for graphical interfaces.”
True. Xerox’ PARC was one of those premier idea shops that repeatedly failed to develop those ideas into successful products. Postscript was also based on ideas developed at PARC. They did early work on local area networks too. Others took those ideas and ran with them.
I’m old enough to remember when major US firms like AT&T;, HP and Digital Equipment all had their own basic and applied research efforts. (I still remember the Bell Labs science films from my elementary school days.) Their disappearance from the scene seems to track the decline in US economic preeminence.
Dennis Kneale has always been a douchebag aside from being a twit. I can’t stand him, mostly because he just makes stupid remarks for the hell of it. just to be annoying!!
PlayNice:
Meaningful Flash content does NOT constitute 85% of the web content. I have a Flash blocker on my browser and I can safely say that only once in about twenty times I need to click on the “flash” placeholder icon in order to get to the content I need. And I’m confident that I’m not much out of the ordinary when it comes to web surfing.
You are seriously twisting history of Apple’s research and development. As many had said here, there were several things in the company history that they developed and brought to the world, but weren’t originally invented by them. The difference between that and actually stealing finished, developed and commercially implemented technology is colossal.
You don’t need to look at Wikipedia to find out that PARC team gladly agreed to give Apple access to their work, so that Apple can actually make something useful with it. And same thing happened with the ‘multi-touch’ concept. If what you’re saying (by quoting the same Wikipedia, ironically) is true, and multi-touch technology existed for the past 25 years, then WHERE are all those multi-touch devices based on that technology? It is one thing to invent a concept, without a clue how it can be practically used, and another to take an incredibly forward-looking, but yet quite abstract concept and implement it in something that masses would use and love.
…”They refuse to open up the programming on the iPhone to an open developing community.”
ANYONE can download the iPhone SDK and begin developing software right away. How much more open can it possibly get???
That statement is patently false. Goes a long way in discrediting the rest of the (fairly long-winded) post.
Doesn’t DON’T FEED THE TROLL mean anything, to anyone, any more?
Possible that animosity is staged? These issues / stories sure have buried the ‘apple vs ms’ taglines.
@ F*cking annoying troll AKA Play Nice:
“In December, 1979, Steve Jobs and a group of Apple Computer engineers toured the Xerox PARC laboratories and witnessed Xerox’s research into the GUI as demonstrated on the Alto computer. It was this moment that Steve Jobs realized that the future of computers was in the GUI, rather than the standard text-based interface.
In return for the right to buy US$1,000,000 of pre-IPO stock, Xerox granted Apple Computer three days access to the PARC facilities. During this time, Apple Computer purchased an opportunity for its engineers (in exchange for Apple stock shares) to observe and study Xerox’s interpretation of GUI or “WIMP” interfaces in the PARC project. After visiting PARC, they came away with new ideas that would complete the foundation for Apple Computer’s first GUI computer, the Apple Lisa.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple#Xerox_PARC_and_the_Lisa
@PlayNice
Come home son.
I’m so sorry. I don’t know what I was thinking back then.
I will breastfeed you now and I’m sorry not to have done it all those years ago.
I know you’re angry but it will all be ok if you just come home.
Mumsy will make it all better.
Promise.
Doesn’t anyone read the thread before commenting? The 3rd post (mine) called out CNBC on their “Apple stole from PARC” crack. Yet here comes the idiot, Playnice, 10 posts later parroting the same bullsh!t. Playnice is demented for sure, but it’s reporters like those on CNBC whose ignorance spreads this slander.
Can we please go beyond GUI and mice? I’d like to see an option for voice recognition. And I don’t mean with a headset. I used voice recognition with my TRS-80 in 1979. 1979. C’mon what’s the hold up? It should COME with the computer. Out of the box.
Say: turn out the lights.
Say: search for Apple.com
Say: turn on the tv etc.
And you should be able to program the it in an EASY to use language.
Don’t go away mad — just — F off!
hehe
All this talk of Xerox PARC is kinda making me nostalgic of the days of computer engineers who worked with mainframes, wore pen protectors and carried slide rules.
It was the attitude. If you got to talk to these guys, and got to know them behind their geek facade you discovered that these were pioneers that had so much before them, so many ideas in front of them, so much wealth that they wanted to share it with people. To advance human kind.
Take this idea and run with it. Heck I have learned to do it all the time. It isn’t hard to do.
It can be something simple, like changing the sound from the checkout counter from an obnoxious beep to a soft soothing tone. Or moving the keys from the dashboard to the steering column. Anyone remember why that was done? Of moving from a CLI (Command line interface) to a GUI (Graphic User Interface) to a OUI (Object User Interface).
I’ve tossed out this idea before and maybe someday someone will develop such an interface, going beyond the flat desktop into a true 3 D experience. Hey, it’s happening with TV.
Some people believe in the advancement of humanity. Now if we could get rid of this idea of ownership….
I tell you one thing. If Apl does launch a search engine and does start offering maps and therefore begins to take turf from Gogl, it will be a culture change that could transform Apl into a much bigger, bigger, broader company.
We would look back in 10 or 15 years and see the current Apl as a small, little hobby company. By comparison to what it may become.
Google is the catalyst for making it happen, how richly ironic, if it does happen.
Gogle has a lot to fear if this transformation takes place. Gogle thinks they own the internet, so they think they can do whatever they want.
This may be a turning point we’ll look back on in years to come.
@Road Warrior nli
“Now if we could get rid of this idea of ownership….”
There is this assumption that stuff gets developed for some altruistic purpose. It’s not true. Researchers in labs get paid to develop these advancements, either in a privately owned lab (like the old Bell Labs or PARC) or a publicly funded labs like a university. Privately owned labs either use the research to further their own products or sell or license it for monetary profit. The motivation in academia is more for notoriety and prestige, both of which ultimately translate into money via salaries, tenure, grants, speaking engagements, etc. Everyone profits in someway from ownership, including we end users who are continually “wowed” by the latest technology. Money is the grease the wheels of technology moving. And money is derived from ownership of a desired commodity. As mentioned endlessly above, Xerox didn’t give Apple their GUI technology, they traded it for ownership of Apple stock.
@Playtex
Please burn your iPhone… Microsoft has a mobile OS for you…
@Ray in the District
I believe Bell Labs were renamed Lucent more than a decade ago. AT&T;sold them, I think.
‘playnice’ broke his unwarranted Apple product, and he expects Apple to fix for free.
@Predrag,
You said: “Meaningful Flash content does NOT constitute 85% of the web content?”
So you are the meaningful content police and get to decide what is, and what isn’t, meaningful for all of us?
Did you get a badge with that position?
Is there a basis for the hypothesis that Apple might switch to Bing or is it just speculation? Without being any sort of expert, I would’ve thought such a scenario is unlikely.
What about the investment plans that Apple has for the East coast of the US? (Not being an American, I forget which state gave Apple significant tax breaks to lure the alleged billion dollar investment).
Apple is the Great Innovator. Wouldn’t it be cool if they’ve been secretly working on their own search engine for some time and are now about to dump Google for something way better than Google or Bing? It’s hard to keep a hardware development quiet because too many people outside Apple must inevitably become involved. A software-only development like a fabulous improved search engine, might be much easier to keep 100% secret.
That’s my fantasy, anyway. I don’t like any of todays’ search engines. They are ok but not great. Too many areas where major improvement could bring about yet another revolution in the internet. If it’s possible, I hope Apple does it.
Yes, I’m a troll for having a dissenting opinion. The ignorance of the mob mentality.
On the topic of Flash: Why do you think that Adobe won’t continue to innovate and make Flash better? You assume it will just stay bloated and die. Kind of like your arguments. Adobe is working with 8 out of the 9 major phone manufacturers to create an Adobe Mobile that will work with their existing platforms better. You can guess which company refuses to play ball. That goes for the desktop versions as well.
By the way, I’m typing on my Macbook Pro which runs Snow Leopard and has no problem with Flash. In fact, my SL Macbook Pro has never crashed or slowed down using Flash. Wonder why SL supports it but iPhone OS doesn’t? Apple just decided it wants to kill Flash, for no real reason other then to dominate the market and push them out. Kind of like Microsoft did with Internet Explorer. In the end, it’s about money.
I loved Steve Job’s quote about how “all that not doing evil stuff that Google says is *ullshit!” As if Jobs isn’t trying to do exactly what Google is doing and corner every market they can get their hands on.
Funny how Bill Gates built a fortune and is now traveling the world pledging to give back over 30 billion to efforts like education, clean water, and the eradication of Aids, yet all we hear about from Steve Jobs is how he is going to destroy his historic landmark house (which he was sued to prevent him from doing it) so he can build a modern castle and how Apple for years ignored the Chinese sweatshops that build it’s products.
“Think different” indeed.
Meanwhile – Microsoft Surface Technology has been around for a long time, and if you went to Vegas, I don’t know half a decade ago, you would have seen one of their tables at the major Casinos. Not only is it multi-touch, but it can actually recognize objects on it’s surface – much more cutting edge then multi-touch. Microsoft decided it had bigger plans then to worry about making it available on a mobile device – their strategic decision. The point is, Apple DID NOT invent multi-touch.
It doesn’t matter since Apple and Microsoft seem to be in bed together on search, the ultimate in Hypocrisy.
You knee-jerk fanboys need to grow up and stop slinging insults. It makes you look stupid and weak because you have nothing else to offer. Any idiot can tell someone to go F off.
Steve J. : “Adobe sucks!”
MDN: “Kill Adobe!!”
… emotional bunch of whiners.
@PLayNIce
I dont know how you can bare to use an Apple product if it troubles you so much that Steve Jobs is going to rip down that piece of shit house while Bill ‘The Messiah’ Gates saves the world from AIDS.
You’re arguments lack logic or common sense. Kind of reminds of the windows operating system.
The big ass table was announced AFTER the iPhone!
The troll is also a computer illiterate idiot.
Get a grip nerds! Life’s too short.
To all the reasonable readers here.
People like playnice that are either MS paid trolls or drive by 12 year olds that were brought up on ms are just going to be there.
They make stupid remarks then float on. What they say really does not matter. We need to come up with a standard SHORT remark that closes the issue and move on too.
While its possible that some small part of these people are not trolls or 12 year olds, their use of old and untrue short comments means that they do NOT want to know better.
No need getting down with the pigs in the pen. Only makes them happy.
Just a thought,
en
@PLayNIce
You are a Foal or a Troll.
Either way, be gone.
How’s that ElderNorm?
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Twit Dennis Kneale: “And yet Apple stole so much of its early designs from Xerox Parc’s research! Isn’t this sort of the pot calling the kettle black?’
What is it these days with Techno-IDIOTS getting away with quoting blatant mythology and equally Techno-IDIOT readers, watchers and listeners accepting their GARBAGE as ‘truth’?
OMFG are we in a nasty age of DISINFORMATION or what?
Watch this kids: My statement above will inspire some Techno-IDIOT to defend Kneale’s moronic statement. (o_0)
And yes kids, the generic coward ‘Playnice’ is a Techno-IDIOT.
How do these tard-cases even find this website? Who showed them how?