“iWork is going into the Cloud,” Cleve Nettles reports for 9 to 5 Mac.
“Not just storage, either. We are talking interface for Numbers, Pages and Keynote,” Nettles reports.
“Yes,” Nettles reports. “The iWork applications are now going to be Web Applications.”
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Most of the comments seem to come from ex Windows users or noobs. In the olden days of computing, everyone used terminals connected to a mainframe. Thin clients have a lot of value in today’s world with the importance we place on data.
I would trust a secure data storage facility with my data more than I would trust my computer to my neighborhood thief or my fallible HD.
It sound like most of the commentators would be advised to wake up and smell the high speed Ethernet.
Ask Mr. Jagger what he thinks “Hay you get of of my cloud”
This would be a GREAT way to offer Apple software to Windows users. Once they get hooked, they will buy Macs to get the even better experience.
This “cloud computing” business is a joke. We had “cloud computing” 25 years ago; it was called mainframes and dumb terminals to access them over a network. Both Apple and Microsoft built their empires on liberating people from the tyranny of “cloud computing”. In fact the famous 1984 commercial from Apple showed what life was like living under “cloud computing” and IBM was the “Big Blue” mainframe everyone was a slave to. The athletic blonde who threw the hammer at the screen was showing how Apple was going to set everyone free from “cloud computing” and make computers PERSONAL instead of what they were.
Now that the PERSONAL computer companies are the “big blue” they suddenly want to go back to the old tyranny of mainframe computing? The tyranny they made their fortunes liberating us from? I don’t think so…. I don’t want some system admin cutting off my terminal access and I don’t know why nor can I get hold of anybody to find out about it because all you get is automated response machines. Nor do I want somebody being able to sit there and monitor every single thing I am doing; every number, every password, every word….
Not me folks, no way, no how.
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I cannot see one advantage to this change :S
I highly doubt it is true….
A iWork webclient will bring Apples office solution on every Windows Maschine and on every Internet device especially the iphone. Apples way differ from a classic thin client solution, because the application can run independent from the server. Only when you open a file or want to save a change you need a internet connect.
The data should be stored in the same way as with Mail. Your documents are stored on your computer and will be synced via MobileMe to every internet device. This will be the perfect solution for everybody, who dont run a private Server 24h a day.
But I also expect a Server Version of iWork, so you can organise dokument synchronisation by your own. This will be important for companies and everybody who dont thrust the cloud and want to keep the data private.
So you have the choice, you can use the desktop version in combination with the webclient and iphone version, you can sync your data with MobileMe or with a private Server.
And a real Homerun would be a HomeServer by Apple which run a mail / iwork / itunes and iphoto Server.
A solution like this would be dynamite and could bring Microsofts Office monopoly into troubles.
Hang on what’s the problem if this happens it will be in addition to not a replacement for the desktop programs (certainly for the foreseeable future). No doubt there will be interaction between them and potentially much better access to those programs and desktop files from afar all surely an asset to many.
As for saying this is an old idea rehashed well most inventions are of course, but in later incarnations are totally different, superior and workable than the original. The first traffic light blew up and killed someone, the first steam cars in the late 1700s hardly were a guide to what was to come a century later so whatever cloud computing was 20 or so years ago gives no guide to what it may become now. Open minds are always preferable in my opinion which is precisely where Apple has always held an advantage over other large corporations.
Hmmm, let’s hope it’s more reliable than Mobile Me.
For this user, MM is still rather iffy on the edges, especially on simple things like replying to emails.
Must confess too, that I don’t like the thought of my valuable data being anywhere except on a hard disc where I can see it.
I do not want a Cloud. I want to have my stuff on my Mac computer and to be able to access that from the idiotic PCs I have to work with. There’s a huge difference between that and the Cloud.
I don’t want my stuff on a server elsewhere… what if I can’t connect to the wifi? I’ve lost my docs! And some of my stuff is private! Objections! Objections! Don’t let this happen!
But sadly, it may well happen.
I do, of course, have other opinions and excuses. And I hope the folks at Apple will listen to all of this.
Open minds? New things and new ways of doing things? Hah! Try “naive and inexperienced”. You know what cloud computing is? Mainframe and terminal access was(is) where the applications and files reside on the mainframe and you access it over a network that is controlled by the system administrator which is not you. Cloud computing is where the applications and your data reside on someone else’s mainframe which you access over the internet and they control the access; not you. “Oh but I have control! I have a login and password!” Type in your password and get the message “access denied”….now go from there with your “control”.
Read what Microsoft wants to do. Microsoft wants to put Office on a mainframe and you access it over the network and they have control over your access. Does that really sound new and advanced to you?
Now as we all know the internet and communication system performs flawlessly at all times and IF there is a problem, you can quickly and easily contact a real person who will cheerfully understand and restore your functionality instantly. Right? And this is why you think it’s so advanced to let the programs you need to run be removed from your control and put in their control?
You know what this is about? Control… period. Companies are losing money because people make illegal copies of their software so the best way to stop that is to sell access over a network so people can’t copy it. It’s also a fabulous tool for censorship; did you say something they don’t like? OOPS! We’re sorry; we seem to be having technical difficulties with your account; we’re working on it and hope to have you back in business soon….soon (laughter in the background from sys admins who think they’re god on a stick). You think mainframe access was a smooth bed of roses? There was a GOOD reason why people wanted personal computing; it was to be free of just that kind of “we are gods, we have total control over your access” mentality the sys admins had and still do.
Oh and this “control” is also about revenue; they don’t have enough billions! Just imagine being forced to watch commercials for 15 seconds before you can get into your account, programs and files! And then once they have complete control; they can change the rules and terms anytime they want and what are you going to do about it? Don’t have the application or your files on your computer anymore? Awww…. kind of like running up a credit card and when the balance is more than you can pay off, the card company changes the interest rates; fees, etc. and stick it to you.
You “this is the future, be open minded” types are WAY too naive and trusting. You have no idea how mucked up this would be. And…if you don’t need someone to tell you what is best for you, try paying attention to what THEY are telling you with this “cloud computing” crap. There’s a reason why they renamed the old system with a fluffy name.
@theloniousMac,
I don’t know if you’ll see this on page 2, but thank you for your first post and its elegant explanation of the history of cloud computing. It helps to put things in perspective and not just shout, “I HATE CLOUD COMPUTING!”
Happy New Year.
For those of us who are not finished with new things and new ways of doing things and who are not afraid of new technology; we’d like to use the cloud.
You owned a Newton at first release, didn’t you.
The problem with Cloud computing isn’t that it’s new, the problem is it’s a very OLD way of doing things that we’ve rejected once already! Apple itself was founded, in part, on freeing us from the tyranny of centralized computing.
I truly wish companies (MS, Apple, Google) would study the hows and whys of where we’re at, instead of putting a fresh name on a long-obsolete idea and calling it “new”.
The whole concept of “Cloud” computing seems rather nebulous to me.
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Yeah, can’t wait to see if this works as well as MobileMe. (rolls eyes). This is a terrible idea — Apple has proven that they don’t “get” cloud computing and don’t care one iota about users’ data in the cloud. I would avoid this like the plague.
No. This is not good “if true.” Many, many people still either do not have Internet connections, have them just periodically, or, as others have mentioned, still only have dial-up or REALLY slow connections. Some companies (& others) prohibit unfettered web access and can just as well lock out clouds. Clouds are nice. Clouds ONLY are very bad.
So, I’ll upload my HD-AVC videos from my camcorder into the cloud; even with my 20Mb/s downstream connection that will take an age because upstream is only 0.75Mb/s
However, for Pages and Keynote this could be quite good (except if one uses lots of large media); Numbers is still a bit unsophisticated, so would prolly be fine in cloud too.
Cloud is good for sharing iWork stuff with colleagues, so long as files are small.
For anyone who works in the media this won’t happen the way it’s being talked about. I regularly manipulate 300-400MB images in Photoshop and I know people that handle post-production for 30- or 60-second commercials. These are BIG files.
FCP; Photoshop; Avid; and all the other image or video editing software is going nowhere but on a machine under the desk… not in the ‘cloud’, not for some years to come.
I love the cloud…
TO POOP ON.
/channelling Triumph