“You want to know how skittish Apple investors are and how little conviction they have in the company, or trust in its message, look no further than today’s Gizmodo rumor fiasco,” Jim Goldman reports for CNBC.
“The blog reports a serious decline in Steve Jobs’ health… Apple shares had spent the day in the green before these headlines hit the tape, and then promptly turned red,” Goldman reports.
“I spoke to Apple after these headlines crossed and the company, which officially doesn’t comment on rumors, reiterated the reasons it offered two weeks ago: Apple was pulling out of Macworld because the company didn’t see the need to continue its investment in the expo, which included Steve Jobs’ keynote,” Goldman reports.
“I was told two weeks ago by sources inside Apple that the decision had nothing to do with Jobs’ health. I got the same message today,” Goldman reports. “Period.”
There’s more in the full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Martin” for the heads up.]
Maybe it is The Steveness that is manipulating the stock to make even more bazillions for himself. Who else has that much power?
In the past, it was : “Apple is dead, sell !!!!!” and now it goes : “Steve Jobs is sick, sell !!!!!”. Always the same bulls***.
/* …and of course the key element here is the fact that if The Steve were really dying, and Apple were concealing this, people would be going to prison.. */
No- If Apple was LYING about his health & directly saying he was NOT sick then yes- thats deception / fraud- but not saying anything; good or bad- is speculative and nobody goes to prison. Apple has no direct control how people invest- it’s subjective.
I do however- think that Apple needs / has to make a statement. If he’s terminally sick- for his sake- he needs to get out and enjoy what remains of his life. Apple will survive and thrive in either case. There isn’t another SteveJobs that’s for sure but there doesn’t have to be.
Happy New Year everybody.
Wow! MDN censors me and deletes my post for saying Steve Ballmer is (still) fat?!
Is this place run by idiots for idiots, or what?
Actually, it looks like they removed any reference to their original retardedly mis-spelled original headline… go figure… wouldn’t want people to think they’re as stupid as they actually are.
Just because the Macworld decision is “unrelated” to Steve’s health doesn’t necessarily mean he’s doing fine. The fact they’re dodging the issue is a concern.
MAYBE
It is time for Steve to go.
The stock is down already, so there is less room for it to fall further.
The company is strong, its products in good shape.
Leave ’em laughing Steve.
The problem with making a statement that SJ’s health is fine is that next week or next month a similar statement will be expected and the week after etc etc. You can’t run a company upon regularly denying something that would be a negative to it. Any delay in regular denials would simply create worse reactions than the ones we have now while the continual denials would simply overshadow any other news it wants to make known which has been crucial to its success over the years.
Apple doesn’t need to make a statement unless there is something to report. Obviously, there is nothing to report. People selling based on a freakin’ rumor from Gizmodo of all places? A few choice lines from George Carlin about idiots come to mind.
Although I guess Gismodo is a more reliable source of Jobs’s health info than that “i Report” heart attack idiocy.
The thing that I find interesting is that everyone assumes that someone’s knowledge of a situation has to be related to stock value or some business dealing. Couldn’t it be much more simple than that. Is it plausible that a man (say Steve Jobs) may have some social life outside of this drivel and perhaps close friends are saying “Too bad about Steve”
I find all the comments focus on less about the actual man. Is it possible that if he isn’t going to be around is it more of a business thing vs. a personal and social one.
It seems somewhat selfish to consider only the stock value or future products vs. enjoying the pleasurable products and ideas he has brought to our lives to this point. In addition, why do some people assume that because Steve Jobs is going to dinner it has to be about business, some deal or anything related to Apple. It is possible there was a personal dinner planned that has now been cancelled due to someone’s personal health.
Simple really. If I am wrong than that would be in line with most of the crap that gets headlined on MDN.
You, sir, are a piece if excrement, as are many others like you. This is a person you are talking about. How would you feel to see such debates held in public abount the timing of you impending death, true or not? Or perhaps that of your spouse? And you want it icaled so you can gloat when ‘supposedly’ proven right. This whole debate is shamefull, selfish and an embarrasment to humanity. And anyone who thinks what matters about another mans health is the effect it has on their share price is a tragic waste of space.
Apple was pulling out of Macworld because the company didn’t see the need to continue its investment in the expo, which included Steve Jobs’ keynote
“I was told two weeks ago by sources inside Apple that the decision had nothing to do with Jobs’ health. I got the same message today,” Goldman reports. “Period.”
Fair enough. We’ve established the MW decision was made independently of Jobs’ health.
Now what is Steve’s health like?
My comments have be taken as “selfish” and “all about money.”
First, let me say that I do see Steve Jobs as a person and am truly concerned for his health. For him and his family, I hope he lives a long life.
Jim Goldman was not writing about the humanity of the Jobs health rumors. My comments were in response to the increasingly aggressive rumors from so called “insiders” that are claiming Jobs is very ill. Apple just chooses to not respond. Apple is a publicly traded company. Its officers and employees have a responsibility to the investors. I feel that Jobs health is an important issue as is the health of any key employee, but more so lately. Short interests have played this issue all year. Every time the stock has started to rise the issue of health has been used to depress the stock down to the $85 support.
I have been an Apple user since 1980. I have owned almost every product that they have sold. I will continue to use their products for a long time to come. I think that Jobs has already “saved” Apple. OS X, the iPod, iTunes, iPhone and the App store will be a powerful combination for many years. Apple sits today where Microsoft sat in 1995 right after the release of Windows 95. They own the next ten years and the new portable platform.
@Darkness
“You’re not an investor, you’re a short term profiteer.” Your comments are not accurate. I have been posting on the forum for many years. I am a firm believer in Apple and have held their stock since 2003 and do not plan to sell it in the next five years. I am very comfortable with the long term outlook for Apple. While I intend to hold Apple for a very long time, there are other investors that are lossing billions in market cap with these types of rumors. Not every investor has a long term horizon (retirees, etc.)
I am tired of seeing short interests profit from this story.
Okay, here’s a compromise. Apple doesn’t have to make a public statement about Jobs’ health, but maybe they could find an excuse for Jobs to make a public appearance?
——RM
Can shareholders SUE THE LIVING F&*K out of Gizmodo?
…er NOT….as per. How many times more than any other company of their ilk have they had products they stated had no evidence of serious hazardous faults and CONTINUED to be sold only for Apple to ‘inform of’ the actual danger of the product months/years later.
Macs are regarded by the majority of computer users ( therefore non-Mac users obviously) as the computer of choice for those too stupid to use a computer – as the intellect on show in the majority of posts in this thread amply demonstrates.. .. since the lack of mention of the solution to this potentially endless speculation that would ultimately eat away a the company from inside *IS* to do like M$ did with Gates – ie. to finish + seperate Jobs interaction/(strong) identification with the company Apple (via the passage of time).
Yet they have failed to do this most logical + obvious course of business actions. Why would they so risk damaging their most precious reason for EXISTENCE – PROFIT? …..BECAUSE of the ‘matter of time’…ITS TOO LATE….EVEN Apple can’t go back in time + reverse someone’s terminal end state of health, to correct what will likely become one of their most DAMAGING mistake in their existence….
Wow, dude. Readying my tinfoil hat in 3…2…1…
MDW “quite,” as in “No kidding.”
SJ: “I’m not dead yet.”
I find it interesting how I can’t really respond appropriately to the person that suggested I am a pile of excrement due to the fact that they used my handle as their’s.
If I can rebut your comment was the exact point I was making fuck stick! I suggested that it be ical’d because all the Apple Maniacs are crying no to something that is going to potentially happen. I even made mention of the fact that no one is approaching it from a purely social aspect but rather a business only one.
The other point to me made is why is there not a single pic of Steve existing outside of the events he has been a part of. I would assume if paparazzi can grab a pic of Obama in his swim trunks then some Macarazzi can sure as shit grab a few pics of Steve and post somewhere. But, we simply haven’t seen it. Just sayin’.
…and in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
it wouldn’t matter one bit wether Steve came out and said he is healthy or ill … 50% would believe each statement …. you can’t stop rumors no matter what … the stock takes a hit … whether Steve says he’s OK or not … it’s all BS … Apple is fine right now … with or without Steve …
“Jobs needs to make a statement regarding his health, good or bad.”
Well, he made a comment about his health several months ago, saying that he was fine and his blood pressure was normal. Should he make a statement whenever some rumor monger insists that he’s at death’s door?
Also, no matter what statement he makes, people won’t believe him. “Well, sure, he looked good making that statement, but I heard that as soon as he finished making it, he collapsed back-stage and had to be rushed to the hospital in an ambulance! He needs to make another statement right now!”
Steve’ll spend the entirety of the rest of his life saying, “I’m still alive.”
Me again, but just to say SORRY. You had made the opposite point to that I accused you of. My comment was rude and directed entirely at the wrong person. I just got angry at this horrible speculation on the health of another. People need to show more respect. As I wish I had done. Sorry once again, and I wish you a Happy New Year.
“Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead”
….and WHAT exactly makes you so certain of this, after all absence of Proof is not proof of Absence.
This must be true since with all the denial of Steve’s deathbed condition now just because something is likely (Jobs death a couple of years after his op vs NO Life AFTER certified DEATH) apparently does not make it so.
Hey it’s 2009.
Once we verify that SJ is merely alive…
we’ll know for sure that Dan Lyons finally started confusing Fake Steve and SJ this year. He has written with certainty that SJ would not survive the year at Apple.
No it was FSJ who died at WWDC.
Yes, I know, Dan Lyons… who?