Republican presidential candidate John McCain announced his vice presidential running mate yesterday, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, 44.
Casey Mayville reports for Government Technology, “Elected governor in 2006, Palin became Alaska’s first female governor, as well as its youngest. She will be the first politician from Alaska to run on a national ticket in a campaign for vice president.”
“Palin has made efforts to expand the use of technology in Alaska. In 2007, Palin announced a new online training program for workforce development. The Work Ready/College Ready program helped to assess skills and offered training courses,” Mayville reports. “‘The skills needed to enter many vocations are similar to the skills needed to get into college,’ explained Palin at the time. ‘Work Ready/College Ready lets students know what level of skill they need for the occupations they’re interested in, how well they match up in those skill levels and it provides training to reach their goals.'”
Full article here.
More about Alaska’s “Work Ready/College Ready” program that was announced by Sarah Palin last August via GovTech here.
Carrie Tait reports for The Financial Post,” Ms. Palin, 44, is a lifetime NRA member who is in charge of a conservative state. She’s bullish on drilling offshore and opening up more of the contentious Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to exploration and production. ‘People are realizing, too, there’s been some deception, I think, from some on what ANWR is all about. Of the 20 million acres up there, we’re looking at 2,000 acres as a footprint,’ she said in the interview. ‘With new technology, with directional drilling, maybe that footprint [will] shrink even more.'”
MacDailyNews Note: CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo talks with Sarah Palin about ANWR drilling, which also touches on technology, in an 11:41 video interview here.
Stefanie Olsen reports for CNET, “Mead Treadwell, a technology-focused venture capitalist and chair of the U.S. Arctic Research Commission, a federal advisory commission to President Bush and Congress on Arctic research issues, said he met Palin when she was the mayor of Wasilla, a small town in Alaska. Treadwell said that she has long been open-minded about the need for technology to solve problems.”
“‘We’re a natural energy economy and you can’t drill on- or offshore without bringing the best technology, like 3D seismic technology to find areas for drilling, directional drilling to exploit it, and satellites. She’s supportive of new tech,’ Treadwell said,” Olsen reports.
“Palin’s father-in-law was at one time staff officer at the Alaska Science and Technology Foundation, the state’s seed capital fund for technology. According to Treadwell, she was critical of her incumbent Republican rival Frank Murkowski in 2006 when he shut the foundation down. In her inaugural address as governor, she emphasized the value of research into science and technology,” Olsen reports.
“Despite Alaska’s absence of a big tech industry, the state’s chief industries, oil and gas, as well as some telecommunications, require cutting-edge technology. Treadwell said that in discussions with Palin about balancing development vs. the environment, she typically points to technology as a solution,” Olsen reports.
Full article here.
While we’re still exploring exactly which tech devices Palin uses currently, Bridget Carey reported yesterday for The Miami Herald of “the BlackBerry-wielding Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who had bloggers buzzing early Friday about her tech-centric lifestyle. She’s also three years younger than Obama.”
MacDailyNews Take: Send Palin an iPhone immediately, Apple!
As for Obama’s V.P. pick, Joseph Biden, 65, Carey reports, “The technology issue isn’t so much of his wired lifestyle as it is about his past stances on technology issues like Internet freedom and privacy. Biden has spoken out against peer-to-peer networks that allow the sharing of music and other copyrighted material. On the topic of Internet privacy, he is in favor of allowing communications companies to hand over a user’s personal information to the government, but with the intention to crack down on child porn and piracy.”
Full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Readers “Michael R.,” “Dennis,” and “Jen” for the heads up.]
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I will say this: Sarah Palin is a very intriguing candidate. I’d like to know more about her stands on tech and other issues – I’m sure we’ll get the opportunity over the coming weeks.
I hope she’s a Mac user!
I dunno, she sounds interesting. But the Obamabots will smear her. I personally think this type of person should have been Obama’s pick for VP. Instead, Obama decided to pick a career politician. Change? Meh.
I wish we had more people/parties to choose from. This election cycle sucks. We have the democrats version of Bush/Cheney, and we have McCain/Palin.
Dudes,
the vote is for pres here….
from a tech standpoint McCain v Obama is a no brainer…
Wow.. She’s a MILF! but with her politics, I wouldn’t touch her with a 10 foot pole.
And McCain… isn’t that a brand of frozen french fries?
Magic word = Might… Might don’t make right!
I’m excited about Palin, she’s a real American success story. She went from PTA mom to Veep nominee.
I am so fscked. Why, oh why, the (half) black man can never catch a break!
Now I gotta travel around with that old gray whitie Biden for two fsckin’ months? Well, at least it’ll be over in November. Then back to the Senate to resume my do-nothing ways.
I’ve been out campaigning for so long, I barely know where the fsck that cracker-packed place even be!
Shit.
Make that a GILF, or possibly VPILF after November 4th.
What? TIna Fey is running for VP?
Where the hell did my white mama go? She didn’t even show up to my staged acceptance speech? Shiiit, mama. Don’t you love me anymore? Oh, yeah, you’re white, and that screws up my whole “dupe the blacks yet again” plan.
Surprise, not another old white dude. Still, a pretty cynical selection. She’s anti-choice. Quite the feminist there. That’ll appeal to Hilary’s disaffected supporters.
She’s certainly smart and attractive, with an affinity for technology issues. But she seems to take a lot of bad stances. In other words, a Republican.
Technology needs to be used to STOP using oil, not hunting for more while irreversibly raping natural areas is no answer for anyone but the Bushies and their ilk.
If the US had poured a fraction of what has been spent on a misguided and illegal war into new energy technologies we’d at least have made a start toward energy independence and strategic stability.
OPEC and for that matter EXXON, etc. can’t shut off or put a meter on the sun.
Sarah Palin from MILF to GILF and, soon, to VPILF.
I do believe that we met the first woman U.S. President yesterday.
After the McCain presidency, of course.
Holy cow! No wonder McCain was holding off announcing his running mate until after Obama did. With Hillary’s supporters all the more further ticked off that he never so much as considered her, they will be flocking to McCain, especially now that his running mate is a female. McCain just won the election.
Obama Can’t Compete:
Yo, doofus, Obama’s mother is DEAD.
Whoah, dude, McCain picked a MILF? She’s a terrorist?
Twat was he thinking?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front
Just a quick question… a nasty one with terrible implications…
Which is the more likely scenario?
McCain has a heart attack and Palin succeeds him?
Something nasty happens to Obama and Biden succeeds him?
The magic word is “color” (spelled wrong eh? should have a “u” in it. Strange.. would that have anything to do with the question?
This is anther of MDN’s famous Gotta-Pay-the-Rent-Day™.
The formula? Post a blatantly political story and the Hits Will Keep on Comin’! Isn’t that the same tactic that our good ole buddies Enderle, Thurott, Dvorak (not Antonin) use to pay their rent or their meds?
Cha-fsckin’-CH-I-I-I-ING!!!
What will this one hit? 200 comments?
Shall we start a pool?
Nobody with a brain ever accused MDN of being stupid.
Sarah Palin and Tall
How is this relevant to Apple and the Mac World?
(yes, she’s hot, alright!)
It’s the MacDailyNews site’s site, so I think they can post whatever they want to post.
Congrats to McCain on a great choice.
Ottawa Mark…
McCain wants Steve Ballmer for his cabinet? At least he knows the internet isn’t a series of tubes. The entire country would become one, giant BSOD. We’re almost there now.
Now THAT’S SCARY.
I’m a feminist and I still do not believe in vacuuming babies out of wombs.
It sounds like murder because it is murder.
Feminist does not equal Pro-Choice.
I’m voting McCain-Palin!!!
She may be pro-technology but she seems to be anti-science…
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html
I hope this story is not true…
Aside from that, she looks a lot like Gidget !!!! Time for a Sally Field appearance on SNL !!!
so mccain hammers home his point that a 47 year old one term senator is not ready to lead by choosing a 44 year old less than one term governor as his running mate? that’s some fine detective work there, lou.
her experience: beauty queen > sportscaster > mayor of town of 6,500 > governor of state with population approximately that of the omaha metro area > one heartbeat away from the presidency?
nice pick there, republicans.
Pssssst… Haven’t you ever noticed that whenever Sally Field is around, Sarah Palin isn’t? Or is Sarah Palin is around, Sally Field isn’t?
I have it on good authority Sarah Palin and Sally Field are the same person (and she also happens to be from Arcturus 6 and therefore ages extremely slowly)
Again with the prophetic magic word… age
A Conservative’s view on McCain’s VP choice (David Frum, National Review):
“Here’s I fear the worst harm that may be done by this selection. The McCain campaign’s slogan is “country first.” It’s a good slogan, and it aptly describes John McCain, one of the most self-sacrificing, gallant, and honorable men ever to seek the presidency.
But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
Here’s the full link:
http://tinyurl.com/65l6go
It doesn’t matter. I don’t know who is going to win the election, but I’m pretty sure we are going to be required to believe that McCain did.
The DataDude,
So, you’d rather have untested inexperience at the top of the ticket?
That makes no sense. But, of course, as a Democrat, you’re used to that.
Obama supporters questioning Palin’s experience is political suicide. But, so was picking Joe “Serial Plagiarist” Biden.BTW, Sarah Palin is the only one in the race with Executive experience.
The last I checked, the President and Vice President head the Executive branch.
Face it, Libs. It’s over.
Ms Palin may be for the use of technology in drilling, but her support for teaching creationism in schools (see the Anchorage Daily News http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html) raises serious questions about her support of science, and one thing we surely don’t need is another anti-science administration. Plus, Ms Palin is 4+ pro-life, 4+ pro-gun, 2+ anti-gay and she doesn’t believe that humans are responsible for global warming. So, while she favors energy independence, that is likely to mean she will want to drill and fill the pockets of Big Oil but not develop energy alternatives that decrease CO2 pollution. That, too, is a recipe for eventual disaster. Ms Palin is a very nice person and she has a great family and a terrific, energetic lifestyle, but she has virtually no national or international experience and she is absolutely the wrong person to be VP alongside a 72 year old man with a 33% statistical chance of dying in office (see http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html).
Great Choice:
http://www.thedailybackground.com/
Algernone Blue,
Palin sounds very level-headed to me:
“Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. I’m not going to pretend I know how all this came to be.”
Only the close-minded would want to exclude other points of view in order to stifle debate.
Fact is: nobody knows how the universae came to be. Who ignited the Big Bang?
If you idiots are going to vote for a candidate primarily based on where the candidate stands on technology issues, you are fscking retarded. There’s more important things going on in the world than you getting caught for stealing movies off the pirate bay.
Mr. Reeee: “Whoah, dude, McCain picked a MILF? She’s a terrorist?
Twat was he thinking?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front“
Who the fuck ever heard about the Moro ILF? Who the fuck are they? And you can’t seriously be stupid enough to not know the reference for MILF.
Mr. Reeee: “McCain wants Steve Ballmer for his cabinet? At least he knows the internet isn’t a series of tubes. The entire country would become one, giant BSOD. We’re almost there now.”
Politically you and I are likely about as far apart as it’s humanly possible to get, but I agree that Steve Balmer would be a bleh cabinet pick, but it’s not like Steve Jobs would agree to a post to a Republican admin. At least Balmer is running a very large and successful technology corporation, so on paper he does look good.
“But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
Actually, is it too late to ditch McCain and just run Palin for the top spot? I’ll take a small-town mayor over an entrenched congressman any day.
I was extremely happy to see McCain’s VP pick, a very refreshing change from the usual inside washington career politician, someone with integrity, courage, and very charming.
A woman I could definitely vote for, for president.
Good. We better get to know her well. If McCain wins, this woman is one too many milkshakes away from being president. I’m sure her Bachelor’s Degree in Journalism will come in handy.
Hillary didn’t put 18 million cracks in the ceiling so token candidates like Sarah Palin could make it to the White House. What made Hillary special was her 35 years of public service, intelligence, 8 year Senate voting record on progressive issues and the fact that she’d have one of the greatest presidents at her side should the need arise. Mrs. Palin, as nice as her life story sounds, isn’t half the woman Hillary Clinton proved to be.
Obama will attempt to assassinate Palin’s character, but that rarely works on people with the character of Palin’s.
It’s going to be a long, long, long 16 years for you Libs.
MDN MW: “one.” Obama isn’t the “one,” Palin is.
grok,
I’d rather vote for Palin over McCain, but she does need a little experience, so she’s better as a VP for now, and president after McCain’s term is over.
Think about how many presidential candidates have come from the ranks of VP in the past 50 years? And in our nations history less than a handful of presidents have come from congress. There’s a reason for that.
R2: “Hillary didn’t put 18 million cracks in the ceiling so token candidates like Sarah Palin could make it to the White House. What made Hillary special was her 35 years of public service, intelligence, 8 year Senate voting record on progressive issues and the fact that she’d have one of the greatest presidents at her side should the need arise. Mrs. Palin, as nice as her life story sounds, isn’t half the woman Hillary Clinton proved to be.”
I agree with everything you said..
If you take all the words out except is, as, if, and and the.
Mr. Reeee: Great Choice:
http://www.thedailybackground.com/
Is that the best you sad libs can come up with? You’re in trouble.
Basil Ganglia;
“72 year old man with a 33% statistical chance of dying in office”
I am a 59 year old 3rd Degree Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do, and a certified instructor. My favorite opponents are dumb young kids with very little experience.
(They CANT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG TOO YOUNG TO HAVE ANY, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE DUMB!)
Want to meet and discuss statistics?
Have a feeling I might meet my match in Sarah Palin though.
My mom uses a mac, is a computer recruiter, and is a great tech supporter. If only I played soccer when I was a kid, many of you would have thought she’d make a great VP. Sorry I let you down.
Hoo boy, they’s some real thinkers on this site.
McBush’s second stringer’s foreign policy experience is based
solely upon her geographical proximity to Russia. That’s
experience we can count on….NOT!
The DataDude: “A Conservative’s view on McCain’s VP choice (David Frum, National Review):”
You cherry picked your choice. Most conservatives I’ve heard in the past 24 hours would disagree with Frum.
She’s been tested, she’s got a 10 year record of reform, tax cutting, cutting waste, standing up to corruption, and integrity. There were many conservatives who were hoping she’d be the pick long before it was publicly announced.
What this story has to do with the world of Macintosh is beyond me, but I’ll play:
McCain’s choice of running mate is shamefully irresponsible. He’s an aging old fart who could drop dead at any time, and who does he pick to head the government if he should croak but someone with not a shred of experience, not a single credential that would qualify her for such an important job. Totally disgusting!!!
I honestly had no interest in this election until yesterday, but after reading about and listening to this hottie, she and McCain are definitely getting my vote now. She is the kind of change I’m talking about!
VPILF FTW!
In a tough situation, who would I want to have my back, Barack or Sarah?
Easy call, I’ll take the “barracuda”
And that is not a nickname for Barack.
Mc Cain (French fries) will won, evenly with a donkey over Obama.
macca: “so mccain hammers home his point that a 47 year old one term senator is not ready to lead by choosing a 44 year old less than one term governor as his running mate? that’s some fine detective work there, lou.
her experience: beauty queen > sportscaster > mayor of town of 6,500 > governor of state with population approximately that of the omaha metro area > one heartbeat away from the presidency?
nice pick there, republicans.”
Obama has far less experience than Palin. She’s got a 10 year record of reform, tax cutting, fighting corruption. She’s actually *accomplished* things in the past 10 years. Obama? what has he done in the few years he’s been in congress? What committees has he chaired? Bills he’s sponsored? Legislation he’s helped pass? What issues can you point to that he’s made progress on?
Palin? Tons, tax cuts, cutting waste, getting rid of a bad wasteful bridge project, stood up to the governor of her state and the head of the republican party in her state on ethical issues.
And before you bring up the so-called “ethical issue” of her brother and law being fired, show me some actual proof that she was involved. Oh, I forgot, in politics all that matters is perception, damn the truth.
Obama is the weakest presidential candidate in modern history, far weaker than President Clinton was, he was a Lt Gov, and a Governor before he ran for office. All Obama has are fancy speeches.
Palin has actually *done* things. But yeah, please bring up this “experience” thing, I dare you.
alansky: “What this story has to do with the world of Macintosh is beyond me, but I’ll play:
McCain’s choice of running mate is shamefully irresponsible. He’s an aging old fart who could drop dead at any time, and who does he pick to head the government if he should croak but someone with not a shred of experience, not a single credential that would qualify her for such an important job. Totally disgusting!!!”
Nothing to do with the Mac.
I agree with you on that point.
On nothing else. Learn about this candidate a little she’s done a hell of a lot with her 10 years in public office.
RE:” And before you bring up the so-called “ethical issue” of her brother and law being fired, show me some actual proof that she was involved. Oh, I forgot, in politics all that matters is perception, damn the truth.”
So what if she was involved, more power to her on that.
Think about it. As Governor, if she knew something about her brother-in-law that he should be fired for, she would be derelict in her duty if she DID NOT get him fired.
Mr. Reee,
That’s too bad. Inferior genes, must be. McCain’s mother is still alive and going strong:
We will win. And you will lose.
@ macca
Well considering that the Dem ticket has ZERO executive experience…
At least Palin has actually RUN a government….
“I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/04/clinton-mccain-has-more-_n_89758.html
“At least Palin has actually RUN a government….”
not to mention a company.
On a scale of 1 to 10, running virtually ANY company ranks a 10, with possible a 2.33457 score for any government experience.
“It’s a great day for the nation and Alaskans.”
Woo. Ms. Palin was mayor of a hamlet of 7,000 before being
governor of a state of 600,000 mostly white folk. So, it makes
perfect sense to extrapolate from these data points and conclude
she’s ready to take on governing a country of 300,000,000 plus in
the middle of two wars, an energy crisis, multiple foreign policy
disasters, the global warming issue, etc.
You right wingers Republicans need to reboot.
Oh, and I agree with the earlier poster, MDN needed to pay some
bills. Otherwise, why would they put this story on this site.
A snowball’s chance in hell.
Obama/Biden ’08!
Fskc all you people. First I have no ratings and my network sucks donkey dick (literally) and now I’m going to lose the White House yet again. Fsck!!!
“She’s not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president? Look at what she’s done to this state. What would she do to the nation?”
— Alaska State Senate President Lyda Green (R)
(Green is from Palin’s home town of Wasilla.)
” What this story has to do with the world of Macintosh is beyond me, but I’ll play”
It doesn’t, it’s called flame baiting
“McCain’s choice of running mate is shamefully irresponsible.”
It couldn’t be said any better, alansky.
You know who agrees? Why none other than Karl Rove, an informal Senior Advisor of sorts to the McCain camp. This is what Rove had to say about the prospect of Obama choosing Virginia Governor Tim Kaine as his VP:
“With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished.”
“I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America.”
“So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I’m really not, first and foremost, concerned with — is this person capable of being president of the United States?'”
CBS News summarized Rove’s other statements as follows:
“He expects presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama to choose a running mate based on political calculations, not the person’s readiness for the job.
“‘I think he’s going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice,’ Rove said. ‘He’s going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he’s going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He’s not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president.'”
But USA Today notes this afternoon in the lead to its Palin story, McCain chose her primarily to go after women and possibly disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters — not the “responsibilities of president.”
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003844467
Dan Quayle in a skirt.
‘Nuff said.
MDN = masters at flame baiting = master-flame-baters.
“Woo. Ms. Palin was mayor of a hamlet of 7,000 before being
governor of a state of 600,000 mostly white folk. So, it makes
perfect sense to extrapolate from these data points and conclude
she’s ready to take on governing a country of 300,000,000 plus in
the middle of two wars, an energy crisis, multiple foreign policy
disasters, the global warming issue, etc. “
Actually, yes. If you have strong consistent stable values, and a great deal of varied life experience and good character, it is most likely that she could do a much better job of managing your list which than a member of the professional political species could do.
Sarah Palin has more executive-level decision-making and governing experience in two years than Obama and Biden do combined.
McCain won the election yesterday.
Historians and scholars are baffled by Palin’s lack of credentials, according to this new article on the front page of Politico:
Presidential scholars say she appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.
So unconventional was McCain’s choice that it left students of the presidency literally “stunned,” in the words of Joel Goldstein, a St. Louis University law professor and scholar of the vice presidency. “Being governor of a small state for less than two years is not consistent with the normal criteria for determining who’s of presidential caliber,” said Goldstein.
“I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history,” said presidential historian Matthew Dallek.
That includes Spiro T. Agnew, Richard Nixon’s first vice president, who was governor of a medium-sized state, Maryland, for two years, and before that, executive of suburban Baltimore County, the expansive jurisdiction that borders and exceeds in population the city of Baltimore.
It also includes George H.W. Bush’s vice president, Indiana Sen. Dan Quayle, who had served in the House and Senate for 12 years before taking office. And it also includes New York Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, who served three terms in the House before Walter Mondale chose her in 1984 as the first woman candidate on a major party ticket.
“The fact that he would have to go to somebody who is clearly unqualified to be president makes Obama look like an elder statesman.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13001.html
A member of the professional political species? Like John McCain?
WTF. Do you really trust mcain? He threw a hail mary on 3rd down. He is a desparate ptsd syndrome affected old pos. Not only would I not want him with his finger on the nookular trigger, I equally maybe even moreso don’t want mrs hotty mom with her perfectly manicured nails near it. Trying to compare he with Hillary is about as stupid as saying windows is just as good and stable as osx. If you thought mcain had good judgement before and this choice for vp is an example of his deteriating mind then you might as well just hang a confederate flag off the aide of your mansion. You have no clue what has happened in this country over the last eight years and you don’t really love this country and you don’t value life beyond your fake Christian facade. If you really believe that paleface is the very best person to be commander in chief then you have a very cynical view of the world. Other than her hotness and gun credentials howvdoes she rise to the best second person the GOP could choose from. She just looks like the faux foxes faux news puts on their anchor desks. If this is the best we can offer the world for our leaders, we are fubar.
“A member of the professional political species? Like John McCain?:
Point taken, but unfortunately the political species is all we have, and you have to make your choices from within the species.
I’m baffled that supporters of the woefully inexperienced Obama think that nobody will notice Obama’s woeful inexperience when they engage in petty attacks on Palin that will only drive more and more voters to the extremely experienced John McCain.
Don’t you simpletons understand that McCain wants you to attack Palin on “inexpereince?”
You pawns are helping McCain win. Not that he even needs your help anymore. Palin is a true phenom.
R2: “But USA Today notes this afternoon in the lead to its Palin story, McCain chose her primarily to go after women and possibly disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters — not the “responsibilities of president.”
LOLZ you’re seriously quoting USA Today?
I’m not even sure I should comment, but meh..
Naw, just keep talking R2. Carry on buddy.
:::rolls eyes::::
Politico Mac User “You pawns are helping McCain win. Not that he even needs your help anymore. Palin is a true phenom.”
I’m beginning to think more and more this is going to be a rout, with Democrats stunned (and not in a happy way).
I see Palin as the next Reagan.
R2: “”I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history,” said presidential historian Matthew Dallek.”
That you can’t see the irony of this statement I find most amusing.
Keep talking R2.
:::grabs popcorn:::
For every petty smear you Liberal WIn-At-Any-Cost Bastards commit against Sarah Palin, another 1,000 of us move to McCain-Palin.
Keep that in mind while you still have some regular women (not a handful of barren loudmouthed dykes) left in your party.
Sarah Palin is a working mother of five who believes in the sanctity of human life, the constitution (right to bear arms), and fighting corrupt politicians.
I’m voting for McCain-Palin guaranteed.
MDN Magic Word: “mother” (how appropriate!)
as someone who has always been a maverick let me make it perfectly clear my friends, I have always had the ability to make snap decisions on purely surface info. That helped me to be successful even though I was ranked fith from the bottom of my class. It helped me when I ejected Fromm the numerous planes I wrecked defending our country. I know have homes representing every plane I’ve crashed. I pick my wives the same way. When I came back from the big war. …. The great gook follies. My first wife went and got her hottness ruined. Fortunate for me my family creds allowed me to go out and replace her with not just new hottness and rich as well. I know hottness when I see it. That’s why I was able to review my latest GOP yearbook and find the hotness again as my vp pick. You see my friends thought my life I have always been able to deflect away from my weaknesses by moving the spotlight away from my own wrinkled skin cancered face. I learned from karl rove. He told me that when the heat is up deflect the spottlight to a hotty and a nation of brainless racist thugs will just stare at her hottness and it won’t matter how low we go nobody will notice…. Except those wacky liberal scum that we have always been able to laugh off no matter how serious the charge. Remember the case of treason? Of would have been much more serious if we had not picked a hotty….valerie plame who was a covert CIA operative. Trust me wait to you see my new supreme hotty court. Wink wink ; )
I think McCain picking Miss Congeniality as a running mate will have serious consequences for him. First of all, I’m sure he wanted to pick up some Hillary supporters. Every single Hillary supporter I’ve talked to is offended that McCain considers Palin to be Hillary’s equal just because she has a vagina. I’m sure she has a lot of good qualities, but she’s no Hillary Clinton. I think the beauty queen thing will kill his campaign. Women don’t like other women who are prettier than they are.
I feel she will bring McCain down. She’s only a governor & had the job for so little time.
@twilightmoon
Tax cutting for a state we only hear about in Geography courses , on the discovery channel, and for a state that has a smaller population than what’s on the island of NYC. She was a Mayor, So What. Maybe Obama might have less experience as You say, but he knows about whats going on in washington since he’s there to vote on critical decisions.
Say if McCain is elected & 2 years from now he Crocks and dies. Then Palin takes the jobs. Only thing she nows is how to offshore drill, & abortion. She doesn’t know D**k other than that and she might bring down the country even further. She’s a mother of 5 & one with down-syndrome. If she takes the stand for this country, she might as well wave good bye to those kids. She may be a really good person but isn’t ready to take McCain’s spot if anything happened.
Anyways, this should benefit the democrats so I really don’t care.
Obama for president 2008 !!!!!!!!
The brilliance of McCain’s VP pick is readily apparent by the copious amounts of shit in the pants of Democrats today.
Scared shitless in action.
<<Learn about this candidate a little she’s done a hell of a lot with her 10 years in public office>>
Yeah, she brought in the world’s biggest WalMart for a town of 7,000 and helped turn her town into one giant open-pit gravel mine. Nice credentials.
Now that I’ve rebutted, it makes me sick to see this site turned into another place where asshats scream political nonsense at each other. Grow up, okay?
“She’s no Hillary Clinton.”
You can say that again, Palin’s going to win.
@Sum Yung Gai – Only with better makeup
She has 5 kids because the state of Alaska pays between $1000 and $2000 per year per kid. Talk about your basic money maker.
She is against public education, preferring home schooling.
She has taken on Big Oil, but only to the extent she is demanding shipment of more natural gas, instead of having the oil companies sit on the reserves, waiting for the price to go up (this would be a good thing, but I suspect it’s more related to increasing Alaska Permanent Fund payouts than concern for the free market)
OTOH, a lot of Republicans in Alaska seem to hate her, so she probably isn’t all bad.
Still, the beauty pageant thing. I keep thinking McCain is an old fart, and we might be a heartbeat away from getting this:
@Alec Tanner “She’s no Hillary Clinton”
I don’t get why Dems seem to think that HRC is the be-all-and-end-all of female politicians…? If it weren’t for her husband and his career, she would just be another corrupt lawyer at another corrupt law firm.
And if she’s such an ideal feminist, when why is she still married to Bill, after all of that public humiliation that he inflicted on her?
@Women of America
Nobody on the Dem side has launched petty smears against Palin. In fact the only smears and sexist statements I see are from the young men proclaiming their support of the ticket because they like her breasts.
Sarah Palin is a politician first. If women want to be treated equally then they will be subjected to the same scrutiny as a male candidate. Our inquiries are no different than those aimed at Obama from your side (except we’re not questioning her patriotism).
Sarah Palin has a wonderful life story. How many children she birthed, however, has nothing to do with her qualifications to be President and the mental state of the man who made that selection.
Dear kenh
I’m a 67 year old Harvard professor and molecular geneticist, not a “dumb young kid with very little experience”. I’d be happy to debate statistics (or any other facts) with you any time. And, accept the apology for your foolish, immature comment.
The brilliance of McCain’s VP pick is readily apparent by the copious amounts of shit in the pants of Democrats today.
Scared shitless in action.
Can’t disagree with you there. Many undecided voters (where the election is won, by the way) are going to go for McCain-Palin now.
I think that Obama had a slim chance of pulling it off before. Even without the South and the heartland. Now, Obama just has no chance.
A significant percentage of women who would’ve voted for Obama will identify with and vote for Palin now.
McCain made a game-changing choice.
@R2 “Nobody on the Dem side has launched petty smears against Palin”
You obviously don’t read the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos.
“And if she’s such an ideal feminist, when why is she still married to Bill, after all of that public humiliation that he inflicted on her?”
Probably because she loves him and wants to maintain the vows that say he’s her husband until death do them part.
If anything, the scars of the past she carries on her back and the fact that she was able to hold that marriage together only reinforces her strength, IMO. If I ever get married and go off the reservation the way Bill (frequently) did, I hope my wife is strong enough to stay by my side, too.
lurker,
Palin didn’t get an 80% approval rate – which is off-the-charts, if you don’t know – by being a pretty empty suit.
Palin is the real deal and that’s why Dems are fsking losing their shit today.
Just fling yourselves off buildings in effete Manhattan and San Francisco, so you take each other out, okay?
Leave the country to the real Americans who built it.
“You obviously don’t read the Huffington Post or the Daily Kos.”
If the Democratic party and Barack Obama are responsible for everything that’s said on those sites, then I guess we should start holding the Republicans and John McCain responsible for all the smears that plague the web on their side, too.
I don’t think you want to go there with some of the nasty stuff you guys like to spread about Barack Obama.
Ken,
Harking back to your first(ish) post telling us you’re a 59 year old black belt who regularly sends younger packing, you’ll find that people like yourself who get into proper fights in street situations tend to lose.
The reason for this is that, because you’re not in a controlled studio situation, you get an adrenalin dump and this affects your whole system throwing your carefully rehearsed moves out by just enough to render them ineffective. That’s why if it was just you and me, I’m vicious enough to fancy my chances of beating the living crap out of you (and I am a lot younger than you).
The way around this is to learn proper streetfighting moves which tend to be more vicious and basic enough so as not to suffer from adrenalin charged nerves.
I am having a difficult time listening to the same people who have given us the one of the worst presidents in history for the last eight years. Tell me who they think should be a great choice for the next four. Kind of like a Dell user telling me why I should keep buying a Dell ( that has been riddled with malware since purchased ), instead of buying a Mac.
The bottom line is that anyone that honestly thinks we need to continue to let this country continue down the same path we have been on for the last 8 years, should be ashamed of themselves.
Should read: “who regularly sends younger guys packing”
This is my take on things like drilling in the ANWR.
Don’t try to make the right decision. There is no right decision.
Instead, assume 200 years from now 99.9999% of the people on the planet believe you made the *wrong* decision.
Which decision can you then correct?
If you drill now, and 200 years from now 99.9999% of people believe you should never have drilled there, can you “un-drill” it?
On the other hand, if you don’t drill now, or for the next 200 years, and then 200 years from now 99.9999% of people believe you should drill there, can you then drill?
Put this way the answer, I believe, is obvious. There are some mistakes you can’t undo. There are some you can.
Datatdude: “But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
Democrats, please keep pushing this angle. It will show your stupidity and ignorance. She’s Governor of the State of Alaska. Oh , that’s right, most Democrats don’t know there are 50 states, in fact, your candidate thinks there are 57 states in the Union. Look it up, Obama said it.
Also, keep dissing the citizens of Alaska because in the same vain your dissing America. This will show your true colors just as your candidate has during the Democratic campaign in which he referred to middle class America as “bitter” religion and gun fanatics. Keep up the good work Democrats!!!!!
I see a possible landslide in the making! McCain/Palin 48-2.
Barack Obama is the person who can lead our nation now. As he
said in his speech Thursday, “ENOUGH!”
@R2 “Probably because she loves him and blah blah blah”
What a double standard… if the Clintons were Republicans you guys would have been laughing your asses off at statements like that, calling HRC a “Tammy Wynette wannabe” or a “Stepford Wife”. Quit while you’re behind.
As for HuffPost and Kos, I never said that there were official Dem Party outlets, but reading them gives one some valuable insight into the mindset of the typical “hope-n-change” voter.
McCain = war hero with decades experience, maverick, known for working across the aisle
Palin = working mother, maverick, the only one with executive experience in the race
I fail to see how the guy with 3 years in the Senate who spent most of that time on the road campaigning and the old guy known mainly for plagiarism are going to win – when it was already basically tied before.
Palin tilts the balance so far in McCain’s favor, it’s no wonder that Obama supporters are apoplectic today.
MDN MW: “over.” So true, so true.
You Merkins are so fscked. Doesn’t matter who wins, your country is in the toilet. Go ahead–teach Creationism in schools, Intelligent Design–call it as you will–makes no difference. You’re so far along on your way to irrelevance that the world won’t even notice as you slide completely into obscurity.
@Arnold Ziffel “Barack Obama is the person who can lead our nation now”
And just what exactly do you see in his resume that says “leader”? His experience boils down to two occupations, lawyer and senator (and that goes for Biden too). All that means is that he’s good at *arguing* with other people. Arguing isn’t leading.
I’m going to vote for those who’ve actually done some real reforming (McCain-Palin) over one who only talks about it while reading off a teleprompter and an old school Washington politician (Obama-Biden).
Nuff said.
USA, USA, USA!!!
Democrats…don’t be a hater, like your candidate. USA rocks!
“What a double standard… if the Clintons were Republicans you guys would have been laughing your asses off at statements like that.”
There are already plenty of Democrats who’d laugh at the statement I made. My sentiments aren’t those of the party. Instead I’d say most Dems disagree with me.
You think all Democrats love the Clintons? The long drawn out primary process wasn’t enough to prove otherwise?
No, I wouldn’t be laughing if it was a Republican. I don’t make judgments about anybody’s personal family decisions.
“As for HuffPost and Kos, I never said that there were official Dem Party outlets, but reading them gives one some valuable insight into the mindset of the typical “hope-n-change” voter.”
No, reading them gives you insight into the mindest of the typical HuffPost and Kos comment poster. It’s a very, VERY tiny percentage of the millions of Americans who support Barack Obama and Joe Biden, most of whom don’t sit on the internet all day chatting about politics.
The article fails to mention that this tech/science “friendly” VP candidate has called global warming a hoax and is pushing to teach creationism in schools. Doesn’t sound like someone we should be excited about as a future leader in the field of technology.
Democrats….your boy didn’t even bother to visit our troops while doing his overseas tour. Could it be that he was against the war and believes in fighting evil with humility? Yeah, let’s all be humble and let evil run roughshod all over the world…..good grief, Obama is the new Neville Chamberlain.
Dems/Libs,
While you’re all shitting all these bricks up in Boston, NYC, and over in LA, can you at least come on down and do it in nice neat line on the border?
We might as well be productive now.
As a Republican it’s difficult to support presidential candidate McCain when deep down inside most of us can’t stand him, if not loathe him. After all, he is one half of McCain/Feingold and McCain/Kennedy bills that made him the “maverick” – or as we called him before a “traitor” and “RINO.”
McCain during the election = Bush Lite
McCain after the election = Democrat Lite
Re:”The reason for this is that, because you’re not in a controlled studio situation, you get an adrenalin dump and this affects your whole system throwing your carefully rehearsed moves out by just enough to render them ineffective. That’s why if it was just you and me, I’m vicious enough to fancy my chances of beating the living crap out of you (and I am a lot younger than you). “
I shouldnt waste the time responding to this, but………….you make the assumption that our “system of carefully rehearsed moves” is not 500-1000 hours per year of practice involving actual hand to hand combat conditions.
Assumptions are dangerous as I would assume that you know.
And, when you are trained in hand to hand combat, what should comes with it is the ability to recognize and avoid almost intuitively those situations that lead to street fighting. We recognize those of you that enjoy street fighting and let you mix it up with each other. We just go on about our business.
Have a nice day.
“Democrats….your boy didn’t even bother to visit our troops while doing his overseas tour. Could it be that he was against the war and believes in fighting evil with humility?”
Well if that was the reason, why’d he kick off his foreign tour at an Army base in Afghanistan?
If he hates the troops so much, then why’d he meet with General David Petraeus in Iraq?
If he wants to fight evil with humility, then why was he calling for extra brigades of troops to be sent to Afghanistan over a year ago when John McCain said it wasn’t necessary? Wonder what that could’ve done to stop a resurgent Taliban from retaking their territory after regrouping on the Afghan/Pakistan border for years.
Take away the scripted speeches and teleprompter and you get this.
Pathetic.
Let’s not get into politics here. But if we must, then this is a very dangerous ticket and a startling example of politics over judgement. Technology aside, allowing the religious right to get into the White House again will alter the very nature of our country, the Supreme Court, and probably the world. This is very serious. This woman wants creationism taught in schools, doesn’t give a damn about the environment, knows nothing about foreign policy, and- not running for office myself, I can say what the dems can’t- she’s a bimbo with breasts who is no more Hillary Clinton than Al Sharpton is Barack Obama. If you’re gonna talk politics (or vote), you better do your homework. There’s much more, but I’m feeling too ill to even get into it. Check it out..
MDN, gonna take you to task here. What the FRACK does this have to do with Apple or Mac news? Yeah, its about technology, and so was the Biden/RIAA one, but this is pure pandering. WOW! Way to troll for hits and page views, something MDN has learned really from some anti-Apple tech analysts.
This is a politician who favors teaching creationism in schools–she gets around the issue by saying teach both. Earlier this year she stated she had no idea what a Vice President does. Hello! The VP presides over the Senate and casts the tie breaking vote. The VP is a member of the executive branch of government, stand in for the President during ceremonies where the President isn’t available or attending, and most importantly: STANDS IN FOR THE PRESIDENT IF THE PRESIDENT IS REMOVED FROM OFFICE FOR WHAT EVER REASON!
Don’t doubt people won’t take into account who the VP is and that persons qualification post Bush-era of an emperor presidency and shogun vice presidency.
Both conservative and liberal commenters have all acknowledged that the McCain’s “Obama has no experience” argument is completely off the table. That was McCain’s selling point! Along with judgement, McCain is huge on questioning Obama’s judgement. McCain choose a running mate that is about to be deposed for abuse of power. Even if she’s cleared no political campaign, especially for the highest office in the land, wants to have to juggle the attention that’s going to bring. This now takes a state matter and blows it to a national one: Whitewater all over again.
I’ve been reading both liberal and conservative commentators about this choice. Conservative are touting her evangelical roots, stance on abortion, and drilling for oil, but they, like their liberal colleagues, are questioning this choice, and not necessarily in a good way. Hell, even Republican Senators from her own state are saying she is in no way ready to be Vice President.
McCain himself only met her twice! Twice! What does that say about his vetting process? One of his own campaign manager stated on national tv that he’s unsure of McCain’s relationship with Palin. RED FLAG, RED FLAG!
McCain says she’s ready to be President if needed. Prove it!
I really do hope that she survives this politically and personally. I wonder if her husband is now going to have to quit his job because he work for British Petroleum. He’s not an executive, but this info will be used at some point to argue that she’s too close to oil. Some will say that it gives her a unique view inside the oil and energy industry. Hell, she even supported Obama’s energy plan, until this info was scrubbed from her website.
This truly is going to be an interesting election.
Oh, and MDN can we get back to some Mac news? And here’s an idea why don’t you start a political blog and move such posts and discussion to it.
What an idiotic hornet’s nest MDN stirred up with this media-fluff of an article intended to fill space without actually having to say anything probative.
Given: she’s a babe – prettiest picture posted on the site in quite a while.
Given: her experience is questionable, but she IS the only one of the four with EXECUTIVE experience. No foreign policy experience. No national experience. But, she HAS been an executive in the minor leagues.
Given: she knows how to use the Internets – unlike McCain. But she opposes teaching Evolution in schools or investing in non-fossil fuels.
As a choice for VP, she is no better than Joe Biden. (WTF was Obama thinking?) She may win over a modest percentage of hard-core ‘women’ voters, those ignored by Obama when he did NOT choose Hillary, and she may draw in the Radical Religious Right (Conservatives, that is, who quote the OT instead of the NT), but … still, a weak-a$$ choice.
N O W can we go back to discussing Mac-related topics? PLEASE?
@R2 “No, reading them gives you insight into the mindest of the typical HuffPost and Kos comment poster. It’s a very, VERY tiny percentage of the millions of Americans who support Barack Obama and Joe Biden”
Then why do many mainstream Dem pols attend the YearlyKos/NetRoots conventions (and therefore give legitimacy to that hateful site) if they’re only a “tiny percentage”?
@R2
I mispoke….I meant visiting the injured troops in the hospitals in Europe..
Funny, the main battle was in Iraq and Obama wants to send more troops to a smaller scale war in a country that has less importance to our national security and interests. Duh…. The surge in Iraq has brought us very close to full victory in the war in Iraq. Obama was against the surge.
Yay macs!
Now McCain has campaigned vigorously on the notion that Obama is untried and untested and too young to be Commander in Chief or President.
Then he needs to surprise the people and take some of the spotlight off of the Dems after the convention so he picks Palin.
McCain keeps on flip-floppin and the media could care less. Palin may or may not prove to be a viable and qualified veep but at least by McCains stated standard she is not.
Sure the Maverick likes to roll him some dice. How do you like this trait in a president? McCain’s choice was cynically desperate, regardless of the Palin reality. McCains own words illuminate this fact.
I have no idea how Obama will do. But he beat down the Clintons, ran a great and disciplined campaign, made a solid, considered VP choice and is an intelligent human being. I’ll take my chances with the smart guy, you go ahead and vote for the gambler–we all will suffer together with the others choices and I’ll bet any voter will consider their decision far more seriously than McCain did the VP choice.
I’ve just been made aware of another reason why I could never vote for a Dem, given the quality of the people they call their leaders…
Apparently, hurricanes are really funny!
@ccap1 “Obama … made a solid, considered VP choice”
No, he made a calculated and safe choice which had more to do with world events (Russia/S Ossetia conflict) at the time.
“As a choice for VP, she is no better than Joe Biden. (WTF was Obama thinking?)”
If you’re saying Obama didn’t do well in terms of a calculated decision to bring in some specific demographic, I could see (and would be glad he chose not to go that route).
The choice for your VP is the very first, and very serious, executive decision a candidate will make.
What Obama thought was, “Who is the person I want to trust with the country should something happen to me?” The answer was Joe Biden. I don’t see how he went wrong there.
The answer when McCain asked himself that question was Sarah Palin (after the religious right told him that Tom Ridge, Joe Lieberman and Mitt Romney weren’t allowed).
Karl Rove was right. He just picked the wrong candidate.
“‘I think he’s going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice,’ Rove said. ‘He’s going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he’s going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He’s not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president.'”
@ Sue
“I hope she’s a Mac user!” What in the hell kind of stupid statement is that? You going to vote for someone based on the fact that she might be a Mac user? You need professional help…
ByeTakeCare,
Here the problem with the “victory in Iraq” arguement: Bush never defined what that “victory” was supposed to be. First it was WMD’s, then regime change, then it became the war on terror. Many thought that victory was accomplished when Bush landed on the carrier and had a banner that read “Mission Accomplished”. Some thought it was when Saddam was captured, tried, and hung. New its being tied to the surge.
Personally, I say it’s when Iraq has a $79 billion surplus and when its government is all but demanding a time table for complete withdrawal. The surge is no longer the condition on the ground, the current conditions are that the Iraqi government wants to take control of their own security, especially now that they have the financial ability to do so. Victory is at hand, a date will be set for our troops to come home proudly for the job they did, and the billions of dollars we’re spending can now be refocused where it should be–on America!
She has less experience than Obama, and people are falling for this hook, line, and sinker. Good luck, neo-cons.
@R2
It turns out that the Obama campaign is running a website smearing Sarah Palin.
Read here for all the gory details.
she wants to have creationism taught in schools. yeah, just what this country needs.
I’m a fsking evil genius.
@natis “yeah, just what this country needs.”
What it doesn’t need is 4+ years of champagne socialism from the likes of Obama & Biden.
“Oh, you poor people, I feel your pain, but right now I have to get into my Gulfstream and fly back to my mansion in the suburbs.”
Beer and football fascism more to your liking?
At least she supports the 2nd Amendment. It drives me crazy how anti-gun the Democrats have become. I believe in some of their social, environmental and international policies, but I fear what they want to do to one of our most important fundamental rights. They weren’t always like this, and I think it is a foolish policy.
“She may be pro-technology but she seems to be anti-science…”
Why is believing in creationism, anti-science? What people often forget is that creationism and science go hand-in-hand. I believe that science is the language of God.
For instance, if the big bang happened, it may be how God created the world.
Yesterday was John McCain’s 72nd birthday. If elected, he’d be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for “inexperience,” here’s who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.
Huh?
Who is Sarah Palin? Here’s some basic background:
She was elected Alaska’s governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1
Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2
She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3
Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4
She’s doesn’t think humans are the cause of climate change.5
She’s solidly in line with John McCain’s “Big Oil first” energy policy. She’s pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won’t be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7
This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.
We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here’s a sample:
She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK
She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She’s a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK
As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK
Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK
She’s vehemently anti-choice and doesn’t care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK
I think she’s far too inexperienced to be in this position. I’m all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn’t done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain’s part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he’ll get our vote by putting “A Woman” in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK
So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She’s a global warming denier who shares John McCain’s commitment to Big Oil. And she’s dramatically inexperienced.
In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he’s made a very dangerous decision for our country.
Sara Palin’s approval ratings DROPPED to the 80’s in July from previously being in the 90’s. Not all, but the vast majority of Alaskans REALLY like Sarah Palin.
Perhaps they know something?
They’re not all Republicans!
“Less experience than Obama”? How about more? She’s done more governing than he has ever, enforcing laws and enacting policy. That, my Mac bretheren, is when one in the executive branch does. He’s spent most of his time running for President rather than doing his job as U.S. senator with all those votes he’s missed. Any potshot you take against Palin evidences your fear that she’s actually more qualified to be President than Obama, the quintissential egotistical, corrupt Chicago/Cook County/Illinois Democratic politician. Palin represents demonstrated reform and real change for the better.
Most of you are talkin’ smack right out yo crack – Palin is a REAL Republican, anti-pork, anti-big-gov., pro life and pro religion with VASTLY more experience than Obama.
Fat resume VS fatuous words…
10 years counts. Real experience in the real world. Not real enough for ya? But Obama’s puny resume IS??!!? Too bad for you.
Vote for who ya like, Obama or McCain, but don’t make up stupid statements that Obama has more experience – that’s 100% unsupportable and makes your other (solid) arguments look suspect…
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Bob Barr for President.
Sarah Palin for VP.
Check or write-in the rest as they fit.
I guess every one of the several hundred gray wolves re-introduced into the lower 48 should start looking up in the sky for those damn helicopters if this Alaskan MILF winds up succeeding McCain. Her philosophy on wildlife is that it ain’t endangered if it’s breathing and she can point her big automatic weapon at it. Gotta love that reasoning. I don’t give a crap how tech savvy she is (and the Blackberry thing makes me wonder…) she still sees the world through the eyes of an isolated parochial territorialist.
“If it grows, we can cut it down. “If it lives, we can kill it. “If we’re getting revenues from big oil, we can get addicted to it. “If the US government tries to enact laws that affect us, we can just tell them to ***k off. “We are close to Russia, therefore we are automatically experts in foreign affairs. “The lower 48 are all spineless dumbasses who would teach science in their schools and believe that humans had anything to do with causing global warming, when anyone who has half a brain knows the only thing humans are responsible for in this case is creating a hugely hyped hoax. “Polar bears can learn to live on land and become grizzlies if they don’t like open water. “If you’ve ever been up close and personal with a polar bear, you’d never fall for that crap that they’re endangered, because you’d be the one in danger. “What’s a MILF, anyway?
Magic word: “term” – as in, Not even one term for this lightweight.
Palin is the most unqualified choice for VP in American history. McCain’s choice was a “Hail Mary pass,” a desperate last attempt to distract the country away from the issues that McCain stands for – a collapsing economy, an expensive and unnecessary war, and a fundamental hatred of the middle class.
The choice for President became much more clear when Joe-I’m-a-pro-choice-“Catholic”-Biden joined the Obama ticket, and then with Palin’s pro-life stance on McCain’s ticket (She even gave birth to a child she knew would have special needs. Much respect!)
Obama and Biden can burn in Hell with the rest of the DEMONcRATS!
You Republicants (yes, Republicants!) crack me up. You have the audacity to talk about how the Dems will ‘smear’ Palin and you idiots are the originators and masters of it. You’ve done nothing but smear Barack and Hillary from day one. If Palin can’t take the heat she should stay home and bake cookies for the local soccer team. You didn’t see Golda Meir or Maggie Thatcher whine for a pass because they were women.
The fact of the matter is that McCan’t just pre-empted his ‘experience’ argument and you guys are now the laughing stock of the political world but don’t let facts get in your way.
While the Democrats are working on the messes you always seem to create all you can do is talk about what a MILF she is or try to control the flow of the conversation by BEGGING the world NOT to be rough on her or to take a hard look at her actions. The woman is currently under investigation for abuse of power for crying out loud. What IDIOT would be stupid enough to drag that into an election season with them? Oh yeah! That’s right! That would be YOUR candidate, John McCan’t and Won’t.
So now, not only has McCan’t lost the argument on ‘experience’ , he also loses the argument on ‘judgment’. It’s looking more and more like all Obama/Biden have to do is show up at the White House in January to get the key to the Oval Office and begin running this country in an manner that will bring dignity, honor and respect back to the U.S. of A.
I’ll not comment again until January and we’ll see if any of you are still pounding your chest (if you have one) after the citizens of this country make good on their mandate to get you Republicants out of our lives.
Barack Obama is the person who can lead our nation now.
Lead with what?
All I’ve seen from Obama is puff n’ fluff. What’s Obama gonna do, follow his voting record and sign “Present” on the bills Congress sends him?
And this “Change” business? Please. Believe me the new kid isn’t gonna clean up DC by himself, and having an entrenched insider as Veep will not help any.
Palin is the most unqualified choice for VP in American history.
You’re ranking her below Dick Cheney?
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Who would Steve Jobs vote for?
NOT the candidate that denies evolution, or global warming, or science in general.
McCain/Palin only care about science if it helps them drill for oil and fatten the wallets of their oil-industry cronies.
The propaganda on this site is Soviet-style.
Mr. Reeee. “Surprise, not another old white dude. Still, a pretty cynical selection. She’s anti-choice. Quite the feminist there.”
No she’s for choice – the choice of letting babies live.
Are you glad your mother didn’t kill you?
Before you dismiss Palin as just another pretty face, do some research on just what she HAS accomplished in her short tenure. She has accomplished more than Obama has in his 3 years in the senate (2 of which were spent campaigning).
She is the only one of the 4 that has executive experience and has balanced a budget, faced corruption head on and won.
Just because she is a ‘hockey mom’ and a former mayor doesn’t mean she is a bubblehead.
To further bolster her case to the working class, she was a commercial fisherman, union member and her husband is still both. He is also a world champion snowmobiler!
She’s intelligent, warm, and most importantly REAL. She is not full of platitudes, idealism and arrogance.
I’m only lukewarm on McCain, but Palin has made me very excited about the conservative’s chances Nov. 4!!
macmeister: “We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here’s a sample:”
Let me ask you this, if I put a list of quotes from Rush Limbaugh, or Fox News would you take them seriously and check to see what they said?
MoveOn.org is far more left than Rush Limbaugh or Fox is right.
I also read the responses, they are heavy on rhetoric and opinion, and very light on facts, as what you’d expect from an ideologically driven political board.
Anyone that uses the term “anti-choice” I’ll throw that back in your face, you’re pro baby murdering.
I prefer the terms “pro abortion rights” and “pro unborn child” myself, more descriptive and honest, and less propagandistic and euphemistic.
I’m moderately pro abortion rights myself but I have nothing in common with someone who would rudely use the word “anti-choice”. I have deep respect for people who are pro unborn child, I just don’t agree with their position.
clobber: “All I’ve seen from Obama is puff n’ fluff. What’s Obama gonna do, follow his voting record and sign “Present” on the bills Congress sends him?”
Awesome, I’ll have to remember that one.
😀
Hardy Har Har: “I’ll not comment again until January and we’ll see if any of you are still pounding your chest”
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!
Bye.
Let’s see,
–The McCain/Palin number #2 is clearly more accomplished than the Obama/Biden #1.
–The McCain/Palin #2 has more executive experience than either the Obama/Biden #1 or #2.
–Palin is more knowledgeable about Energy Policy, the top domestic AND international issue of the day, than either Obama or Biden.
–Palin will very likely have years as VP to get up to speed on other international issues, while Obama will be in over his head on international issues on DAY ONE.
–Palin has challenged and beaten corruption in her party establishment in Alaska, while Obama played go along to get along with corruption in Chicago.
–Palin spends free time with hunters, fishermen, and snowmachine racers, while Obama spends free time with unrepentant terrorists (Ayers/Dohrn) and racist anti-American preachers.
–Palin speaks clearly and honestly, while Obama shifts and obfuscates.
Why is this even a hard choice?
Amy,
You’re right. It’s an easy choice: McCain- Palin. Obviously.
wrong choice. Mccain misreads on what’s really problem. preserving environment is big issue. but sarah? developing Alaska (drilling oil?)? what the hell is he thinking?
Well, at least Obama is a Mac user.
Weird how all these McCain supporters are calling her “hot” and a MILF. She’s a 44 year old mom with caked-on make up, creepy eyes and an annoying cheerleader voice.
She looks like a tranny. An amateur tranny impersonating Tina Fey.
I understand that people are for one candidate or the other. This is where the strong pro and con opinions are from. If we step back from all of the truly moronic comments (I thought Mac users were better educated, more sophisticated, etc) just look at the choice. This women is not qualified to be vice president, much less president of the US. PTA to US president is not a great idea. She is not a Hilary replacement, as her politics fit better with Huckabee. Assuming women or men who supported Hilary will vote for her because she is female is insulting to both. If someone who voted for Hilary would be voting for McCain, they would do this regardless of the gender of the candidate. Why would republicans gut the last 18 months of attacking Obama on experience, then pick this VP candidate? The logic escapes all unless PT Barnum is correct: No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public.”
Whoa…. Did I just stumble into Fox New’s site all of the sudden? Oh wait, McCain’s ads are all over MDN… So they have to write about Palin. I got it.
Palin is a big supporter of Ted “The-Internet-are-bunch-of-Tubes” Stevens guy. So much for tech knowledge… Oh and yeah, she ‘s already lying…
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/palin_ad_starring_ted_stevens.php
Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton. She’s anti-choice AND supports teaching creationism in schools! Asking her to run as VP is a cynical and transparent grab for Hillary voters. And Hillary voters are far too smart to be duped by such a pathetic and desparate choice for a running mate.
“She’s a 44 year old mom with caked-on make up, creepy eyes and an annoying cheerleader voice.”
That’s what Republicans consider as sexy especially if they are actually men in airport bathrooms.
Thanks, Jen.
Oh, and bamboozling a lot of people into voting for you (Obama) is not an accomplishment, at least not in my book!
Go McCain/Palin!!
To boost expected sagging ratings at the convention, Sarah Palin and Cindy McCain are going to mud wrestle. It was Karl Rove’s idea.
Just because Obama is black, McCain had to also bring in someone “different.”
Pretty cynical pick for VP running mate.
To Basil Ganglia
You’re an idiot. People aren’t responsible for global warming because the fscking globe isn’t warming. Were we responsible for the fscking ice age. NO. the world climate changes. It goes in cycles. The same fscks saying we are in a global warming were the same ones saying were were entering another ice-age back in the 70’s. Scientists don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. I agree we are polluting the air. We are also polluting the water and the soil too, but no one is bitching about that. And as for pro-life, I believe a woman should have a choice. It should be made when she decided to part her legs. If you can tell me the day between conception and birth that the embryo becomes a human and prove it to me then we can say abortion to that day is OK but until then you don’t know. I do agree that a woman or girl should NEVER have to carry a child if she is raped or incest etc.. but a woman should be aware of the fact that intercourse leeds to pregnancy.
“Were we responsible for the fucking ice age(?)”
My mistake. Sorry.
“Scientists don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.”
THANK YOU! I was wondering why the chemistry lab smelled like shit.
If fscking women hadn’t been given the fscking right to fscking vote in the first place, we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. Fsck you crackas, I wuz da announted Oreo and now it’s all gone thanks to dat bitch ho Sarah. Fukin whitey!
Think of this woman as commander in chief. I anything happens to McSame, she will be the one charge.
Now, tell me again about Barack Obama’s lack of experience.
Anti-science, pro-creationism, against reproductive choice. What next? Ah yes, a christian dominionist who doesn’t believe climate change is caused by human activity.
OK. That’s enough.
And anyway, what does this have to do with macs? Nothing. But when the conservative crazies invade even macnn, a response has to be provided.
Amy!
Agree with everything you said, awesome post. My vote for best MDN post of the year.
Cheer!
Aldebaran: “Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton. She’s anti-choice “
Aldebaran doesn’t believe in human life cheerfully murdering innocent babies…
That’s not quite as moronic as your stupid “anti-choice” bogus term.
If you’re not going to be respectful of people with principled positions on abortion than do yourself the favor or shutting the fuck up.
Thank you.
I think the pick of Palin wasn’t so much to get Hillary voters as it was to excite the republican base. People who don’t think, but just believe stuff, and Palin is their perfect representative, a creationist, anti-choice, and someone McCain probably thinks he can dominate (anyone who would call his wife a c**t in public doesn’t have a very high opinion of women, including his VP pick).
I don’t think he picked her to make his ticket a better ticket for America, he picked her because all he wants is more political power, and he always has, and his flip-flops on every issue he’s ever held prove that political ambition is his only guiding light. Anyone that had been tortured in the past, as he has, who’d excuse waterboarding and other torture has no objective principles whatsoever.
I’m no giant fan of Obama, or Biden for that matter, but McCain/Palin is worse than a joke of a choice. The fact that the polls are even close shows that the joke is on us.
Lioppa: “Just because Obama is black, McCain had to also bring in someone “different.”
Obama is white, he just happens to have a very absent black father who abandoned his mom (who raised him).
I have just as much right to claim him as white as any black has right to claim him as black, far more so. Only that he apparently wants to use slight skin pigmentation to further his political career. Just another opportunist politician. Big phony.
No wonder liberals love him so much.
lemecdutex: ” Palin is their perfect representative, a creationist, anti-choice,”
Stop with this “anti-choice” bullshit.
Look, I get you have no principles and you do not value human life, but seriously, go crawl back under your rock.
Thanks.
wintermute1: “Now, tell me again about Barack Obama’s lack of experience.”
Obama has absolutely NO experience and NO qualifications.
Sarah Palin has quite a bit.
You were saying?
“Sarah Palin has quite a bit.”
With what? Contractions?
She’s got more executive experience in government office than any of the other three men on the ballot. As for Obama, he’s been in Congress for less than four years (as a legislator), and half that time, he’s been campaigning for President. Talk about lack of experience… and he’s at the top of his ticket.
What’s the population of Alaska? Of Wasilla?
Executive experience? Sure. Top soccer mom of a frozen tundra with less than a million people.
You’re funny (and not ha ha funny either).
It’s amazing how many MDN readers are dumbass racists.
Nice election trick with Sarah Palin there, John. It’s all about winning, because if McCain wins, Republicans will go back to hating him, because McCain is, after all, a Democrat in sheep’s clothing.
woo-hoo!
vote republican.
live better.
be happier.
be snappier!!!
“She’s got more executive experience in government office than any of the other three men on the ballot.”
That’s a flat out lie (and a bizarre lie at that). I had respect for ken1w until now.
You have on one side, less than four years as a senator (half that time spent campaigning for President) and a career politician (35 years in Congress) with no executive experience. On the other side, you have a former military officer and long-time “maverick” senator, and a former mayor and current state governor who has spent that time eliminating corruption and waste in Alaska’s government. Which one is the ticket for “change”?
There is no way the Democrats can play the “lack of experience” card. Doing so will only expose Obama’s lack of experience (and he’s at the top of his ticket).
Politics should not be on Macdailynews. Period. If this were about what songs are on her iPod, or that she has a Mac at her home. Fine.
This is related to Apple because the Republican campaign has been manipulating the media in Apple-like fashion. There are some very smart people working for McCain, and I have a lot more respect for McCain as a politician and leader of his campaign for President. He’s making some bold decisions.
Obama had a great convention, capped off by a great speech and spectacular “event” on the final night. People would have been talking about it, led by the TV talking heads, all Friday and Labor Day weekend. Instead, only a few hours after the Obama speech, the headlines are all about Sarah Palin being McCain’s VP pick. There were hardly any replays of speech highlights; it was old news before it had a chance to be new news. And it leads right into the Republican convention week; more people will be watching it now than before. That’s amazingly skillful manipulation of the media, worthy of Apple, but with much higher stakes.
people like Sue, eridano scare me. it’s ignorant idiots like them that will make mccain win. and unfortunately USA has many Sues and ericdanos. i am not saying you wouldn’t deserve mccain.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/the-worst-vice-presidenti_b_122491.html
Sarah Palin = End of Obama, the most-unqualified man, black, white. or mulatto, to ever gain nomination by a major political party.
I’m voting for Palin. I can live with McCain.
Sarah Palin is amazing. The more I read about her background, the more impressed I am with her!
“black, white. or mulatto”
Wow, Another racist pig. How refreshing.
@ FreddyThePig
Their white robes just came back from the cleaners.
Your name is sooo apropos!!
Figures you’re a man (or, is it, a 14-year-old boy?).
Amy
“the more impressed I am with her!”
Yes, ethics investigations are fascinating. She can trade stories with Ted Stevens when they are both in prison.
You are Exhibit A: Proof that ignorance is no barrier to registering to vote.
If there were fewer of your type, Hillary would be the Democrat nominee for President. Since ignorance won out in the Democratic party, this Democrat is voting for McCain/Palin in 2008.
Nobama!!
Chrissy
To @Registered Voter:
Nice ad hominem attack with zero reasons or logic.
Whatever.
ST. PAUL, Minn. – Most voters are unfamiliar with John McCain’s new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and many question her qualifications to be president, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup poll.
Meanwhile, another Gallup poll shows Barack Obama maintaining an 8 percentage point lead over John McCain following the end of the Democratic convention Thursday.
Republicans begin their four-day convention Monday here even as Hurricane Gustav picks up steam as it approaches the Gulf Coast. Palin is scheduled to speak Wednesday.
In the poll taken Friday, 39 percent said she is ready to serve as president if needed, 33 percent said she isn’t and 29 percent have no opinion.
That’s the lowest rating any running mate has had since then-Indiana Sen. Dan Quayle was selected in 1988 to join George H.W. Bush’s team.
By contrast, 57 percent of voters rated Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as qualified after Obama selected him last week. Eighteen percent said he wasn’t qualified.
Meanwhile, the Gallup daily tracking poll shows good news for Obama, following the close of the Democratic National Convention and his high-profile nomination acceptance speech Thursday.
The poll, taken from Wednesday to Friday, showed Obama leading McCain by 49 percent to 41 percent for the second day in a row — a campaign high for him.
Before the convention, the two presidential candidates were tied at 45 percent.
Easy to blame Bush, but the fact is that Clintion in 1996 vetoed offshore drilling and said “It’ll take ten years to get it up and running anyhow”.
Just like our Social Security isn’t important, tapping our natural resources isn’t important to the Democrats unless a crises comes up or an election is near.
OJ Simpson even has visual appeal, personality, and confidence.
We might as well be voting for Fabio or Cindy Crawford if appeal is the top priority. Palin taps into every facet of every important category for the GOP.
It is the bomb choice, instead of the hailmary the Dems called it. I love it that the biased info feeder CNN people have to travel all the way to Alaska to even try to find some dirt on Palin. The Alaskans there will dead end their pursuits quickly.
Funny that the most argument anyone has against Palin is the animal rights nuts who in 30 minutes after her speech had a picture of her on the web wearing a real fur coat(in Alaska).
Anyone for an Apple Store in Anchorage??? Maybe can pipe into the Russians secret 5g hotspot.
@Basil Ganglia
Dude, are you sure you are not Al Gore in stealth mode with your triple 30’s?
How incredibly selfish to think that a person thinks they have the right to decide whether they can destroy or not and play as if they were God against a miracle that only something so much greater than us can create. THIS way of thinking is what is truly wrong with our country and no party in office can fix that. Only realization, humbleness, and broken repentance(not atmittance) before our creator can solve this world problem. If you want Nance Pelosi to be your choice God, then heaven help you when it comes time to stand accountable.
“Easy to blame Bush”
Way too easy. Can’t you picture him at a horse shows this weekend looking for someone to run FEMA once Gustav hits?
s/b “him at horse shows”
Registered Voter: “black, white. or mulatto”
Wow, Another racist pig. How refreshing.”
You might want to check your sheets, you are the racist.
Obama is not black he’s white. HIs mom was white, he’s 50% white, and his dad abandoned him when he was young and lived in another country.
If he’s black because of an absentee dad, and a white mom who actually raised him then YOU are the racist for saying so.
No. It’s racist because it shouldn’t be an issue in the first place. It wasn’t necessary to mention.
You’re confused. We’re not surprised.
@Alaskan Miner –
I have no doubt Gov Palin is popular. She has taken on Big Oil to take actions which will increase the payouts from the Alaska Permanent Fund to individuals. What’s not to like?
Especially from a bunch of welfare babies. Alaska has the highest percentage of its population receiving public assistance of any US state, almost double New York or California. That’s not considering the Alaska State Government has taken a legitimate business tax and instead of funding things like education, infrastructure and health care, legitimate government functions, has given the proceeds directly to individuals. This technically means every Alaskan is a welfare recipient. 100% of the population. So much for the rugged individualism (at least in the aggregate, I’m sure there are some pretty gnarly individual examples).
Also, if you’re such a tough bunch, why are there more Starbucks per capita in Alaska than in 42 of the remaining 49 states? Sound s like a bunch of latte sippers to me.
Sorry. Back to serious. A motorcycle-riding, moose-shooting beauty queen! Come on, what’s not to like? Especially if she cleaned and cooked the moose herself. The current internet rumor says the brother-in-law is an asshole who richly deserves more that firing, maybe a jail term. Hooray for her. It’s what a Governor should do, unlike Bush as Governor who let enough people be executed without so much as one intervention that I’m pretty sure he fried at least one innocent person. In some aspects, she is my kind of person.
But, McCain is old, and what will come, will come. I’m not afraid of McCain winning. The thought of Gov Palin being thrust into the Presidency and turning the country into some kind of bizarre episode of Northern Exposure leaves me somewhere between worried and terrified. We’ve had enough cowboys (Regan and GW). We don’t need Maverick.
The only remaining hope is the Republican Convention will decide to grow up and select a serious candidate. The primaries were just for guidance. It’s not too late.
@ twilightmoon
If we said your comments are less valid because of your bad breath, obesity and flaky skin, would it be relevant?
THIS is what CNN and the Obamacrats DON”T want you to see!!
“The role of the vice president is to break ties in the Senate and inquire daily into the health of the president.”
“The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should. I’ve got Greenspan’s book.”
– John McCain
Again, fellas,
If I go around saying (to anybody who’ll listen) that “I hate blue hats” and all of a sudden I start walking around with a blue hat–that begs the question—“hey, why the blue hat?”
Now, you can say what you want about these specific personalities–but do not forget to ask John McCain why all of a sudden blue hats are cool…
That’s all I’m sayin….
The dude just picked your next president—he is telling you to wear the stupid blue hat he has been railing against…
Why?
Because he is crazy.
I’m not a big McCain fan, but I’ve been planning on voting for him (begrudgingly, at best) because he’s light years ahead of Carter the 2nd, I mean Obama. I have to say that he just went up several notches in my mind by choosing Palin for VP. She may not be perfect, either, but thank God that she’s not another useless old Senator or other Washington bureaucrat. McCain just got my vote solidly, rather than the half-hearted one he would have gotten. I’m so sick of all the idiots in Washington and all the BS. I’m really praying that McCain/Palin really are at least half the mavericks/hawks that they appear to be. It’s time to clean up our Government. By the way, if you think that domestic drilling is a bad idea, then you are an idiot and you seriously need to stop drinking that CoolAid. There are NOT any viable alternatives at present, and there probably won’t be for 50 years. Yes, we should still try to find them, but we won’t be able to afford the search if we don’t pull our heads out of our rectums now! The government is NOT your baby sitter or your Mommy! Grow up and take responsibility for yourself!
MW Truth…Speak it as often as possible.
Michael Palin has more experience. Too bad he’s a Brit.
@FreddyThePig and his “presidential scholars”.
Next time, try quoting the entire article.
If you read all the way to the end, you’ll see that the four “scholars” quoted in the article are all Democrats.
Nice try, though!
I am just so very very pleased that I don’t have to vote for either of the two pairs.
At times like this it is so pleasant to know that we have more political parties with more choice and a simple voting procedure that precludes hanging chads and corrupt state governments that can interfere with the selection process.
And a totally incomprehensible electoral college.
I think we should send advisors down there and teach America how to run an election.
O-Bummer & Biden his time, Palin comparison with the Repub ticket.
True. Government is not your babysitter or mommy. Unless, you’re in the military, in government or living in Alaska.
Actually, using the term “mulatto” is racist. It’s like using the word “chink” or “kike”. Maybe you don’t think it’s racist because you use it all the time, so it seems natural to you. But that’s because you’re ignorant (no, really), and being content with your ignorance is also racist.
True colors on MDN. Too bad.
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Keep that in mind while you still have some regular women (not a handful of barren loudmouthed dykes) left in your party.
HA HA HA !!! BING BING
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Algernon Blue: You’re tragically uninformed (referring to your post on page 1). There are plenty of creationist or nearly creationist scientists holding positions in all types of research worldwide, and they do just as well if not better in their fields, including in areas like genetic research, breeding, disease control, etc. — everything that has possible ties to evolutionary thought.
I know you and your kind cannot respond to this intelligently with anything but a sly joke or slur, but the reality is that creationists across the board understand observable science as well as evolutionists. They just disagree about how it all got started and whether present appearances tell the whole the story.
I’m 62 years old. I have been a student of history and political science most of my life. I’ve traveled to all but five states of this great nation.
For the most part, I have found the Mac community a cut a little bit above the average. . . . But!
What I have read here this evening has me absolutely terrified!
Zarvox of Rigel 7
Sarah Palin and Sally Field are the same person
I never considered the possibility. Sally Field is 61 and Sarah Palin is 44. Maybe DNA will prove they are actually different.
In other news, my son is looking for a Mac Book Pro and wants the best video card he can buy. He’s going to be doing a lot of Final Cut Pro stuff. Do you think he needs the high end video card?
@Military Police
Thanks for explaining fraud. Well done.
OK, I am getting really sick of the politics on this site, and I don’t care what side you’re on. Why alienate half your readers, as long as they’re Mac fans?
But since you’re asking about the candidates and tech, and seem to enjoy slamming Biden, how is it that you seem to have missed that Dr. lawrence Lessig, probably the #1 crusader against the ridiculous abuse of copyright law in the US, and major proponent of and author on the subject of Net Neutrality, is a major advisor and proponent of the Obama campaign?
Or is it only right-wing talking points that get headlines on MDN?
“There are plenty of creationist or nearly creationist scientists holding positions in all types of research worldwide”
So Noah’s Ark held millions of species since evolution isn’t possible?
Fucking idiot.
Registered Voter: “No. It’s racist because it shouldn’t be an issue in the first place. It wasn’t necessary to mention.
You’re confused. We’re not surprised.”
Salty Balls: “@ twilightmoon
If we said your comments are less valid because of your bad breath, obesity and flaky skin, would it be relevant?”
The interesting thing is I agree with libs and Democrats on some points, and hate the Republican party’s stand on a number of issues, but this sort of rude condescension and pigheadedness drives me completely away.
You can all go to hell.
Freddy the Pig stated earlier;
“Reading these comments scares me. I’ve come to the conclusion that America deserves what it’s going to get. Some of you fail to understand that we’re not voting somebody off of tonight’s episode of Survivor. We’re voting for President of the United States.
We’re a nation in rapid decline. God help us.”
WELL STATED! My sentiments exactly. I often make this argument, but I use American Idol (which sucks) as the example.
We’re in trouble.
ccap1: “The dude just picked your next president—he is telling you to wear the stupid blue hat he has been railing against…
Why?
Because he is crazy.”
Hmm. No, you are assuming that Palin is not qualified to be president. Certainly Obama is not. Palin is. You may not like her politics, but you have to do more than just say she’s not qualified to make your point.
If she’s not, how so? And explain it in a way that doesn’t prove that Obama should immediately drop out of the race and apologize for wasting our time.
Canuckian: “At times like this it is so pleasant to know that we have more political parties with more choice and a simple voting procedure that precludes hanging chads and corrupt state governments that can interfere with the selection process.”
Chads were a sad day in our voting system but an important one that proved we needed to modernize our process. Too bad we rushed stupidly into it and replaced an aging system with a broken electronic system without proper safeguards and security from tampering and rigging.
As far as corruption goes, America is certainly not perfect but we’re better than many other places. I can guarantee you that Canadian government is corrupt too. It’s human nature, not something unique to America.
“I think we should send advisors down there and teach America how to run an election.”
You can keep your advisors, thanks.
F-h: “Actually, using the term “mulatto” is racist. It’s like using the word “chink” or “kike”. Maybe you don’t think it’s racist because you use it all the time, so it seems natural to you. But that’s because you’re ignorant (no, really), and being content with your ignorance is also racist.”
1. define racism.
2. give a reference to where this is racist, and possibly an alternative term if there is an appropriate one.
3. I don’t believe I used the term, but am curious anyway.
45North: “In other news, my son is looking for a Mac Book Pro and wants the best video card he can buy. He’s going to be doing a lot of Final Cut Pro stuff. Do you think he needs the high end video card?”
Considering you cannot replace the video card in a laptop after you purchase it, it would make sense to buy what you can afford. The card in there will have more impact on 3d rendered games than FCP, which will be more limited by system horsepower and memory. Having a good video card in there won’t hurt tho.
I’d recommend taking this question to someplace like Appleinsider discussion boards, posting in the relevant section, a deeply burried post on a political thread on MDN is not likely to get you the best info.
I am so annoyed at MDN right now pretending that the McCain ticket is in ANY WAY better than Obama on tech issues, that I just sent a lengthy email describing articles pointing out the vast superiority of Obama on this point. Since I am starting to fear for MDN’s balance on this issue I’ll also throw the following into the comments here (but hope more of this will be highlighted on the front page):
For the “record” (security word)…
Obama: STRONGLY SUPPORTS NET NEUTRALITY
McCain: OPPOSES NET NEUTRALITY
On the subject of user rights vs. MPAA, etc., Obama is strongly supported by Dr. Lawrence Lessig (a LEADING crusader against the ridiculous abuse of coyright in the country, and on net neutrality — you shouldn’t consider yourself “up” on the intersection of tech & the law if you don’t know who Lessig is, and he is a major advisor to Obama on these matters!)
Palin is supposed to be good on tech because she vaguely “supports research”? On what? How many dinosaurs could fit into Noah’s Ark? Whether drilling in ANWR would be totally awesome or just great?
Whatever else you may think, there just isn’t even a question that Obama is completely superior on issues of the Internet, technology, copyright, and personal privacy than McCain!!
Now that every news story and article has a discussion board, there suddenly appears a lot of chatter about the nominees. I was surprised both by the partisan imbalance and the fact that a lot the anti-Obama/Biden, pro McCain/Palin side seem so breezy and pat. Then I realized that many of these posts from site to site, have an overly familiar ring to them, the same phrases, the same talking points, and personal endorsements. Smells like astroturf.
Rheinhard “On the subject of user rights vs. MPAA, etc., Obama is strongly supported by Dr. Lawrence Lessig (a LEADING crusader against the ridiculous abuse of coyright in the country, and on net neutrality — you shouldn’t consider yourself “up” on the intersection of tech & the law if you don’t know who Lessig is, and he is a major advisor to Obama on these matters!)”
If I voted on technology issues, I might vote for Obama based on what you posted here, if it was a big issue to me, I would have done my own research, however.
But just don’t care that much, certainly not enough to raise to the level of an issue I’d select a president.
“Palin is supposed to be good on tech because she vaguely “supports research”? On what? How many dinosaurs could fit into Noah’s Ark? Whether drilling in ANWR would be totally awesome or just great?”
Sheesh, you had a reasonable post until you just leaped right into the loony bin. Coockoo Coockoo!
But to answer your point, yes we need to drill in ANWR, and offshore, and anywhere else we can poke a hole, while we simultaneously look for other forms of energy, including and especially nuclear power.
WInd? Solar? Hydroelectric? Sure, those too.
m159: ” Then I realized that many of these posts from site to site, have an overly familiar ring to them, the same phrases, the same talking points, and personal endorsements. Smells like astroturf.”
I find that the overwhelmingly vast majority of posts from leftists on MDN and many other places I read, are just hugely and offensively overbearingly rude and ugly and full of bile.
I never considered it was just 1 angry bitter liberal, but you might be on to something…
I don’t know, seems like an obvious and cheap attempt to placate the Hilary supporters, and I’m not sure they’ll appreciate being thought of as so simple minded. I mean c’mon, was McCain so desperate to find a female running mate that he had to get one from Alaska? I find it VERY hard to believe that a governor from Alaska has her finger on the pulse of the American people.
While I never would have supported McCain to begin with, this appointment makes me worry even more about the Republicans possibly winning the presidency again.
Based on that CNBC interview, she gets my vote.
Here are the choices:
Democrats have a black/muslim guy with no experience who attended a racist church against whites and has the MOST liberal voting record in the senate. He claimed change, then picked the same old career politician who is a white male.
Republicans have McCain, who is the most experienced, fiscally responsible, and a war hero. He picked a female VP who is pro-life, pro guns, a political outsider and a fiscal conservative.
Easy choice for me…
Mac Attack: “Easy choice for me…”
I was voting for McCain before Palin, but now I’m voting with some enthusiasm.
madgunde: “I don’t know, seems like an obvious and cheap attempt to placate the Hilary supporters, and I’m not sure they’ll appreciate being thought of as so simple minded. “
Meh, you vastly overestimate the chances of a Hillary supporter who thinks like that would be willing to vote for McCain.
Far from being a cynical ploy, she’s actually qualified to be McCain’s VP based on her record of standing up against corruption, fighting for tax cuts and reform, and her conservative politics. Plus she already has a track record of fighting against wasteful spending by among other things, ending a silly bridge to nowhere project.
She’s a Washington outsider with a fresh perspective, that’s a perfect fit for McCain.
You might not vote for McCain, but based on your comments I highly doubt you can understand the mentality of someone who would. That’s fine with me, go vote for Obama.
twilightmoon:
My whole point is that McCain selected a VP candidate that he himself considers unqualified–(Using his Obama criticisms).
It does not matter if she turns out to be qualified–just as if Obama is elected there will be no mass exodus from the country.
McCain is crazy because he thinks nobody pays attention to his hypocritical decision making—or he is crazy because he does not.
It was a reckless political decision foe McCain to make—according to McCain and Karl Rove.
Reckless how? She has 10 years of Political experience, all executive, Obama less than 4 in state and us senate, most of his US senate experience was spent campaigning for president.
She accomplished cutting taxes in her town, then state, fighting injustice and corruption in a state oil board, forcing corrupt people to resign, cut out wasteful spending on a city and then state level, beat an incumbent governor of her own party, by the way, becoming the first and only female governor of Alaska.
Those are only a short list of the accomplishments she’s racked up in ten years. She’s a proven reformer and tax cutter. She’s done a lot, Obama, what has he done? Not one post in over 5 pages of this threat has been spent explaining his accomplishment or qualifications, Liberals just ASSUME that people KNOW he’s more qualified.
There’s an order of magnitude of difference between his (complete) lack of experience and qualifications, and hers. And the thick and endless condescension among liberals that everyone agrees with you or is an idiot needs to stop.
You guys need to come up with some facts that show why Obama is qualified. Heck I’d even be happy for a start if someone in this threat could POLITELY explain why Obama is as qualified as Sarah Palin, forget John McCain because that’s no contest.
Question: If Hillary had won the nomination, would Sarah Palin still have been the most qualified Republican to be VP?
maccam: “Question: If Hillary had won the nomination, would Sarah Palin still have been the most qualified Republican to be VP?”
Well, first you’re assuming that all Republicans agree that she is. I think she is because it’s not just who’s the most qualified Republican to be a “republican” VP but rather who is qualified to be a McCain VP. Those are different things, who will mesh with McCain and shares his views is not the same thing as “a Republican” who is qualified to be VP to a generic Republican presidency.
McCain saw someone with a fresh perspective, with a proven track record of reform, tax cutting, and fighting wasteful spending. McCain does not accept ear marks, she ended a very high profile ear mark in Alaska, the so-called Bridge to Nowhere.
I think by asking this question, you:
1. underestimate McCain.
2. completely misunderstand who McCain is and what his values are.
3. assume that all political decisions are calculated and expedient and self serving. McCain has already proven he’s not like that.
Has Obama?
Mr. Reeee is a moron. There I said it. He sounds like all the other unrealistic (let’s us technology to get off oil instead of drilling our own) libtards… Er, what do you do about those 250M vehicles on the road?
Why is it alright for all the libtard socialist countries you guys love so much to drill for oil but not us? Canada, Norway, Denmark, Great Britain.. and then the country with the libtards favorite world leader. Chavez… Doh!
Another point I think liberals here are missing is that McCain was likely looking for a Washington outsider. Washington has a way of corrupting and changing people. If my instincts are right here, that already disqualifies a great number of “more qualified” individuals.
Ben Dover: “Why is it alright for all the libtard socialist countries you guys love so much to drill for oil but not us?”
How about China drilling a few miles past our national waterspace in the Gulf? Doh!
Heck there’s nothing stopping them from slant drilling into our own oil supply.
@cccap1
Palin is not running for President. Obama is.
Washington needs to be run like a business. Legislators don’t understand how to do it. That’s why JFK was the last sitting legislator to become President. I personally don’t like either Obama or McCain.
BTW – McCain’s pick for VP has re-energized the Republican base. THAT is what is important…
She is all surface, no sense.
MILF? Well it would be cool if some pics or gossip emerged of her with some Football team or something….
She is, of course, a complete phony.
She will say anythng to get to a position of power.
Meteoric rise – I wonder who she f**ked (literally or figuratively) to get there?
Anyway, as a wise man said here (Harvey, actually) – the election will be rigged to ensure that Obama loses.
There is NO democracy in the USA – if voting changed anything, it would be illegal.
Chinese do slant drilling!
Very funny, if slightly racist. LOL!
Oh and Palin is just a face to reassure the American people while they are being screwed again.
If any country needs a serious clean out via violent revolution, its the totally corrupt USA.
DONT give up your guns, boys and girls……
“If any country needs a serious clean out via violent revolution, its the totally corrupt USA.
DONT give up your guns, boys and girls……”
Say you want a revolution… well, you know….
“It turns out the women of America aren’t finished yet, and we can shatter that glass ceiling.” – Sarah Palin
Yo, Macca
Sarah Palin has accomplished more in her tenure in public office than that empty suit, BS artist, Obama.
Remember Bill Clinton was a governor before he took office. Listen to Huckabee’s comment which states that a governor makes more far reaching decisions in a week that most senators make in a year.
“Probably because she loves him and wants to maintain the vows that say he’s her husband until death do them part.”
That’s complete BS. She cynically decided to take it to maintain a lifestyle and a political future. She knows that if she’d kicked Bill to the curb, her chances of becoming a senator or president would be 0%. Oh well, same eventual outcome on the president thing…
Here we go!
Zogby, 8/30/2008:
McCain/Palin: 47%
Obama/Biden: 45%
Negative “bounce” for Obama and the Ol’ Plagiarist.
Those who do not get a convention bounce or, worse, lose voters, do not fare well in elections.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html
I lo-o-o-ove my iPhone.
“you make the assumption that our “system of carefully rehearsed moves” is not 500-1000 hours per year of practice involving actual hand to hand combat conditions.”
Really, people attack you with real knives and guns, take you to the ground, knee you in the nuts, gouge your eyes and bite any body part you put in the way? How many bullet wounds and cuts have you sustained in your training. How many broken necks and backs have you inflicted upon your training partners. If it’s as “real world” as you say, In 1000 hours, I’d bet plenty, since someone has to lose each time you engage. Most “Black Belts” get their belts just for showing up to training enough and wouldn’t feel comfortable or competent taking a real knife off an upset 7 year old.
I do not think, actually that Palin is any more or less qualified to be pres than any of the other candidates. Or George Bush or me, for that matter.
I am a big fan of the idea of the president coming from anywhere. So my point really is not about what I think.
I do believe that John McCain either did not mean that Obama was not qualified–or that he did not consider Palin’s qualifications sufficient.
She is younger, has only held her Governorship for 18 months–Obama has been Senator for three years, Obama also has run a very successful national campaign and toppled the Clinton machine (no republican can say that)–Obama has shown a gift for inspiration, management and leadership during this campaign—people have enough information to make their decision.
So all I am trying to assert here is that Palins qualifications failed the McCain test–so I think McCain has really gambled here.
Over 18 million americans think Obama is ready–I’m not sure 1000 Alaskans think Palin is ready.
This is all I am saying.
“That’s a flat out lie (and a bizarre lie at that). “
Exactly what executive experience do the others have that you’re referring to? You would need to have been part of a state or the federal government’s executive branch to claim that. She’s the only one who is. So however small you may think her experience is, the others all have less in that particular area.
“Not one post in over 5 pages of this threat has been spent explaining his accomplishment or qualifications, “
And yet all Barry Obama’s qualifications have been presented.
“She is younger, has only held her Governorship for 18 months–Obama has been Senator for three years, “
Yet being a governor, you have to make decisions and actually direct a substantial organization to get things done and deal with a lot of people who may not agree with you. Being a senator you have to talk and give your opinion on things and be able to manage a small staff all who work for you.
I’d rather have an inexperienced governor as VP than an inexperienced senator as President.
It’s clear now what the real vote for change will be this election.
Superior Being wrote:
Zogby, 8/30/2008:
McCain/Palin: 47%
Obama/Biden: 45%
Negative “bounce” for Obama and the Ol’ Plagiarist.
Those who do not get a convention bounce or, worse, lose voters, do not fare well in elections.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html
That’s around a 10-percentage point turnaround in the first day!
With Palin, McCain simply erased the entire Democrat convention.
Here we go, indeed!
After going through the articles linked from MDN, I have come to appreciate the hoops MDN had to go through to portray Palin as “pro-technology” in any serious way. I mean, from the McCullough article:
On the tech policy side, Palin has almost no record on issues such as Net neutrality, data privacy, and wiretapping. But there’s one exception that’s sure to pique the interest of privacy advocates: on May 28, Palin signed a bill that would make Alaska the ninth state to not comply with the Real ID Act, a federal law requiring national identification cards.
“It’s something to reflect on as far as caring about people’s privacy,” said Cord Blomquist, technology policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington, D.C.
The few “issues” which relate in some way to science in the other articles are things like:
* Better access to health care info
* Web based education courses
* Last year, Palin made deep cuts in Alaska’s budget that affected … renewable-energy initiatives.
Wow! How impressive!
So we can tell she supports totally noncontrovesial access to basic info that anyone would support via initiatives she didn’t create.
Yay.
This is like saying she “supports cancer research”. Who doesn’t?! No one is in favor of cancer. But what if the cure for cancer involves research with embryonic stem cells? What’s her position on that? I sure don’t know, but given her radical anti-choice stand and fervent godbaggery I think I can guess!
My joke about dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark is to point out the silliness of labeling someone as “good on science issues” while they believe creationism is in any way a valid alternative for schools to biological evolution. The “faux reasonable” approach, that “we should just teach both and let the kids decide” is a cop-out. Should we teach that there are some people who think the Holocaust was faked and present both views evenly and “let the kids decide”? Educationally the only stance on creationism that should be acceptable to people who want to see America pre-eminent in science should be that creationism should only be taught from the standpoint of how wrong and stupid it is. Any other position is just dumbing down our students.
MacDailyNews Take on Net Netutrality:
“We urge careful consideration as legislation often produces unintended consequences.”
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/16382/
Agreed 100%.
The earth sucks!!! Leave now!!!
Mike – if you’re worried about “unintended consequences” of “new legislation” then you should be 100% in FAVOR of Net Neutrality! Becuase a neutral internet is the way it is NOW! No NEW legislation is required to make it non-neutral. It is the huge telcos who want the NEW legislation to allow them to alter the fundamental structure of the Internet (which seems to be working pretty well so far, I’d say!)
George Bush was a governor, Jimmy Carter was a Governor and look where that got us.
Just being a Governor does not mean you will do a good job as president.
Like I said–Palin may be as qualified as any of these yahoos–
John McCain just picked somebody that he did not believe had the necessary experience…if you believe his experience arguments against Obama, that is…
So, is this a tech story? seems to me that the republicans would like to smother the election with a beauty queen. Do you really feel safe having this lady in charge on a 3am emergency?
The question is really, are we better off with the republicans in charge? If I recall, they had a zealot who wanted to cap internet usage because he thought we were using a series of Pipes that get clogged.
Didn’t the internet open up with Al Gore stressing the importance of cyber innovation? I know he mis-spoke with his creating the internet speech, but I see more RIAA, internet-squelching belicosity coming our way for another 4 years
“Obama has far less experience than Palin. “
Just stop it.
He’s 72 years old. Has had 4 bouts of cancer.
Who’s finger do you want on the nuke button:
Biden’s?
Or Governor PTA’s?
Be honest.
Literally, our country’s future is at state.
macdailyuser,
Anyone but Obama’s.
Feel safe knowing that President Palin’s fingernails will be polished red to match the nuke button.
Rheinhard: ” but given her radical anti-choice stand “
I don’t know what Rheinhard’s stand is on human life, but given his radical pro babymurdering stand…
That term is such bullshit, seriously you assholes who use it need to stop.
Have some fucking respect for people who value the sanctity of life and believe it starts at conception, even if you disagree. If you cannot do that then just shut the fuck up.
Thank you.
I happen to be moderately pro abortion rights myself but I have NOTHING in common with someone who would use that bullshit term.
ccap1: “John McCain just picked somebody that he did not believe had the necessary experience…if you believe his experience arguments against Obama, that is…”
We’ve gone over this to death. Palin is vastly more qualified to be president than Obama.
Next subject please, this one is getting boring.
Amazing that anyone smart enough to use a Mac would be dumb enough to support a senile old fart like McCain, much less a right-wing nobody like Palin. Unbelievable!
macdailyuser,
I’ll take Palin before Obama or Biden in a heartbeat. She’s got real character, integrity, and she’s stood up to corruption and won.
Obama? You seriously have to be kidding me, I wouldn’t trust him to protect me from a stray dog, let alone a terrorist organization. Hell one of his friends is a former terrorist.
jake,
Amusing but stupid.
It’s hard to take you libs seriously when you want to dumb the debate down to the fact that Palin was a former beauty queen. Nice typical misogyny I’ve come to expect from liberals. When the woman is not a rabid liberal its even worse.
Clarence Thomas is another example of this BS, he’s black but he has the “wrong” views so suddenly he’s intellectually unqualified and unable to think for himself.
The real party that’s not sexist or racist or bigoted is Republicans, I hate to say it. But it’s true.
alansky: “Amazing that anyone smart enough to use a Mac would be dumb enough to support a senile old fart like McCain, much less a right-wing nobody like Palin. Unbelievable!”
You got anything more worthwhile to contribute here or you just going to be a troll?
This is rich:
“Palin’s mother-in-law, Faye Palin, told a New York Daily News reporter that she didn’t agree with Sarah on everything and hadn’t yet decided how she would vote. She added: “I’m not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she’s a woman and a conservative. Well, she’s a better speaker than McCain,” Faye Palin said with a laugh.”
This come from Palin’s own mother-in-law. WOW!
Democrats are in a full-out panic.
Obama is the fake, old news, pop celebrity of yesterday.
Remember the fraud, pop-disco music duo Milli Vanilli in the late 1980s?
Obama and Biden.
You want real change you can believe in?
Governor Palin. A woman. Self-made (as opposed to Hillary “riding the coat tails of Bill” Clinton).
Panic in Obamaland.
@macdailyuser
Regarding Candidate’s health:
You do realize that Joe Biden (age 65) has had two (2) brain aneurysms and almost died from one of the brain surgeries.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940de5d81739f937a35756c0a96e948260
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Plus Biden suffers from extreme foot-in-mouth disease.
Firstly, back in the day when I was born, if my mother wanted to have an abortion she would have had to use a backstreet abortionist. I’m not sure how I’d feel about a child of mine being aborted, but I’d prefer the women I love and care about to have the opportunity to have a safe procedure in a clinic that is properly regulated.
Maybe – before you guys all take a vote that could effectively restrict a woman’s right to choose – you should have a think about how that might affect your sisters or daughters. And let’s not be like Bob Barr – arguing against a woman’s right to choose whilst either encouraging his wife to have an abortion or acquiescing in her request to have one (delete according to whether you believe the politician or his wife).
The big question with Ms. Palin is not her stance on abortion now, even with her laudable decision to go ahead with the birth of a Downs Syndrome child whom she obviously loves: it would be where she stood if one of her children was to become an “unplanned” parent at an early stage in their life or as a result of rape.
Secondly, I’m reading a lot here about Ms. Palin’s stance against corruption, but – from what I can tell – that stand was largely against members of her own party who were (let’s be polite) “compromised” by relationships to the oil services industry, including the Chief of Staff of her Republican predecessor.
Whilst politicians who “blow the whistle” are to be applauded, here’s a question: if a hypothetical investigation in the future showed that a senior member of the current administration had behaved in an unethical manner and the McCain administration tried to supress or mitigate – by way of pardon or whatever – the investigation in any way, would Ms. Palin resign on a point of principle? Or would she fall into line?
These are far more important questions than how she feels about Macs because they actually speak to her character. And – before the Republicans start telling me to mind my own business – I’ll do that when US policy-making stops affecting what happens in my own country and I’d extend the questions on ethics to both members of both main tickets.
A functioning democracy needs to be based on transparency on all levels (process and people): the last thing the USA can afford is another eight years of finger-pointing, smears and innuendo about the links between legislators and corporate interests; the challenges facing the country and its position on the world stage demand that the nation act with a single purpose – that is only possible if the electorate can bring themselves to unequivocally support their political leaders for maybe eight to twelve years.
twilightmoon,
to say that obama is white because he was raised by his white mother is laughable. while he is bi-racial, society as a who will always view him, and judge him, on his dark skin and black ancestry.
i know, i speak from experience. my mother is korean and my father is black. when i get a speeding ticket the cop doesn’t check off the other, or asian box, he/she checks off the one that says black. i was called a nigger way before i was ever called a gook.
my father passed when i was young, and i was raised by my mom. by your logic i should be considered an asian american. personally, i view myself as being both. i really have no choice otherwise, but i’m viewed by the greater society as one, not the other, and only views me as both when asked about my nationality. when asked about my nationality, i always say american. i’m as proud of being an american as i am of my mixed ethnicity.
you don’t seem to have an understanding that society doesn’t treat people of mixed ethnicity in terms of who the parent is that raised them. mixed-raced/ethnic people are viewed, and judged, based on the prejudices people have regarding the color of the darker parent.
To the palin supporters:
What are your views on a recent editorial in the Daily News-Miner in Fairbanks, Alaska which stated that although Gov. Palin was against the “bridge to no where” she kept the money? (source: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003844472)
Granted, all states want as much federal money that they can get. However, if you’re against a project, and obscene pork barrel spending, don’t keep the money. But like the article states, “any governor who would turn that tax money down likely would be turned out of office.”
Sorry to my conservative friends (written with sarcasm), but here’s a very simple reason why your “Sara Palin has more executive experience than Obama / the entire Democratic ticket” argument doesn’t hold up:
remember the last state governor who had “executive experience” to get into the White House? His name is George W. Bush, and we all know how well that went.
Now before any of you try to counter with “Clinton was also a state governor before he became president” (which is a valid argument) the country was MUCH better off under him than under Bush, no matter how you try to spin it.
Point is, Palin’s so-called “executive experience” or Obama’s supposed lack thereof is totally beside the point. McCain’s choice of a potential VP with absolutely ZERO foreign policy experience and ZERO tested ability to deal with the serious socio-economic issues that are currently plaguing America (running a fairly well off state like Alaska hardly qualifies her to run the most powerful nation on earth if something happens to McCain, should he become president) seriously calls his judgement into question.
Plus, isn’t she currently being investigated in her own state for improper abuse of her “executive” power?
I’m by no means a fan of Joe Biden, trust me – as an Obama supporter I was initially seriously pissed when Biden was chosen – but when it comes to being ready to run the show if something bad happened to the commander-in-chief, I’d take Biden over Palin any day of the week.
The debates should be fun to watch.
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BTW, Obama is a Mac user too; he uses MacBooks to communicate with his kids while he’s campaigning, and AFAIK has just recently acquired an iPhone.
james73: “This come from Palin’s own mother-in-law. WOW!”
yawn.
Apparently you don’t have any in-laws.
james73: “to say that obama is white because he was raised by his white mother is laughable. while he is bi-racial, society as a who will always view him, and judge him, on his dark skin and black ancestry.”
I don’t claim to speak for “society” I speak for myself. I see him as a white dood.
“my father (Black) passed when i was young, and i was raised by my mom (Korean).”
you’re Korean.
“you don’t seem to have an understanding that society doesn’t treat people of mixed ethnicity in terms of who the parent is that raised them.”
I actually do, I just think it’s racist and bogus when you know otherwise.
twilightmoon—
ok, this is getting tiring.
Palin’s experience v Obama’s as you or I see it is not the issue.
She does not meet McCain’s standard for experience as he has defined it throughout the election thus far–
this is not in dispute–
She is younger
She has no national experience
She is a governor of a small state (for 18 months)
She has been a Mayor of a tiny town (less than 10000)
She has experience, she may be qualified
BUT
McCain says she is untried and untested and too young to be Commander in Chief.
That is all.
james73: “Granted, all states want as much federal money that they can get. However, if you’re against a project, and obscene pork barrel spending, don’t keep the money. But like the article states, “any governor who would turn that tax money down likely would be turned out of office.”
As I understand it the money was part of a highway appropriations bill, she kept the money that was for highways and spent it on something other than a silly bridge.
Are you arguing that is not true, or are you saying that’s not a legitimate decision on her part? What would you have done differently?
ccap1: “McCain says she is untried and untested and too young to be Commander in Chief.
That is all.”
Finally you make a decent argument, only took you 6 pages! And major props for not making it with vitriol and hyperbole.
No one in my view is really “tried and tested” fully to become president until they sit in the office. Not even McCain. There’s a reason that pretty much everyone who goes into that office comes out looking much older, it wears people down.
I agree you might be right that she doesn’t fit the mold of someone tested on a national stage, but she’s a Washington outsider and one who has a proven record of cutting taxes, fighting corruption and reforming wasteful spending. I think those were exactly the qualities that McCain was looking for, the fact that she’s a woman is just a bonus. I really don’t think he picked her merely because she is female.
I’d also argue that the qualifications for being Vice President are different from being president, as you generally have some time to learn the lay of the land in that position. Certainly McCain’s age could make some people feel otherwise, but I’d still put better odds at McCain living years past the end of his presidency if he’s elected, than dying in office.
There’s no guarantees in life tho.
gzero: “remember the last state governor who had “executive experience” to get into the White House? His name is George W. Bush, and we all know how well that went.
Now before any of you try to counter with “Clinton was also a state governor before he became president” (which is a valid argument) the country was MUCH better off under him than under Bush, no matter how you try to spin it.”
couple points here gzero,
1. Not everyone hates Bush the way that liberals and Democrats do, I suspect you dislike and or hate him far more than the average American. Keep this in mind.
2. Clinton did some good things, I’ll grant you that, but I can’t consider him a great president (dispute how I feel about his policies some of which I liked some I did not), because he completely dropped the ball on terrorism, which was a major contributing factor to Sept 11. If he’d taken it more seriously, and not tried to make it a law enforcement issue, had she pursued the matter more aggressively, and done what he could to make sure the various portions of government were working together to fight it effectively, then I’d overlook most of his other faults.
3. Also a good chunk of people’s feelings about Bush are tied to the economy, and the price of fuel cannot be divorced from our economic situation. Clinton did not have 4+ dollar gasoline to deal with in office, if he did his approval ratings would have been far lower. Bush has actually tried to do something about the situation with gasoline by allowing more domestic production which is part of the solution, but Democrats have blocked this without providing a viable alternative. The same people that do not want drilling also are against building nuclear power. Apparently we should all just ride bicycles and I should turn off this computer and go back to using crayons.
MCCFR:
excellent post.
couple points..
1. I’d welcome an open national dialogue about abortion. We’ve never had this because we were cheated out of any sort of popular decision by a rogue Supreme Court that saw fit to legislate from the bench. If Americans want unrestricted access to abortions, lets find that out and pass that law. But lets do it through democracy, not court tyranny.
2. There’s really no way to know what being Vice President would to to Palin’s principles, we can only go on her prior record. She’s already resigned in protest when she came up against corruption in the past that she could not defeat internally. I’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, she’s already impressed me with her character.
3. I agree that technology issues and Mac vs PC are far down the list of anything I’d look at in voting for a president. I do care about net neutrality and copyright issues, but they are not something I’d select a president over.
@twilightmoon,
– I neither like nor hate Bush. I’m simply looking at the current state of the US and on whose watch everything is happening.
– President Bush also didn’t have $4 a gallon gas prices to deal with when came to office. Again, all this happened on his watch, and his administrations energy policies (or lack thereof) contribute to the perceived misery many US citizens are feeling. I say “perceived” because I’m always amazed and amused by how we Americans complain about supposed high energy prices, when the fact is the US has some of the LOWEST energy prices – especially gas prices – in the industrialized world. In Europe, they’re currently paying approximately $6 – $7.50 per gallon of gas at the current exchange rate.
– Clinton’s supposed failures regarding terrorism are no greater than the Bush administration’s failures. In fact on could argue that Bush’s failures were worse, given that he had the exact same intel about al Qaeda when he took office that Clinton had when he left, yet he failed to act upon it. When Clinton did attempt to act after the bombings of the US embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole, the right accused him of “wagging the dog”. The (well documented and reported upon) fact is that it was Bush who didn’t take the terrorism threat seriously, and when the time came to act, he poured our resources into Iraq, who was not an immediate threat to the US and had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack.
– Perhaps I have a slightly different perspective since I live outside of the US (I’m a US citizen living and working in Germany for the US military as a civilian). What i can tell you is that after 8 years of bad judgement and failed policies of the Bush administration, nowhere near as many people in the US like Bush as you tend to believe, especially in the military. I see it every day. Based on this alone, I honestly think that McCain / Palin will not win come November.
Whether or not Obama is at the end of the day the right man to be POTUS can be debated, but he does benefit from the current anti-incumbent mood in the US, and the incumbents are the Republicans. McCain’s pick of Palin – effectively killing his strongest argument against Obama to date – did not help his cause. If she’s actually qualified or not is at this point politically irrelevant IMHO.
I’m amazed. At the otherwise intelligent people who believe that this very charming, physically attractive ultra-conservative woman would actually help the Republican ticket actually win in November.
To anyone reasonably objective on this issue it is very clear that Obama can now sleepwalk through this election. Anything than a landslide in November will be surprising. Average America feels extremely uncomfortable voting for a black guy over a white guy. However, they feel infinitely more uncomfortable voting for a white woman over a black guy. The only worse thing McCain could have done for his ticket would have been picking an openly gay man (of either race). America is incredibly very bigoted; the only thing they are more is sexist.
Welcome to MacTwilightMoonNews!
Jeez, give it a rest. It’s Labor Day weekend.
gzero: “In Europe, they’re currently paying approximately $6 – $7.50 per gallon of gas at the current exchange rate. “
They tax gasoline much higher, people in those countries do not *expect* cheap gas so they can get away with it easier. I hardly think Americans would appreciate paying the gas prices that Europeans do. It certainly would nose dive our economy.
If you’re blaming Bush for the 4 dollar gas, explain what you could have or would have done differently in his shoes which would have led to Clinton era gas prices?
“Clinton’s supposed failures regarding terrorism are no greater than the Bush administration’s failures. In fact on could argue that Bush’s failures were worse, given that he had the exact same intel about al Qaeda when he took office that Clinton had when he left, yet he failed to act upon it”
We could certainly go back and forth on this. I won’t let Bush off the hook, but to say that Bush was worse than Clinton?
He was barely in office what, 8 months before Sept 11? Of those months, how many was he trying to put his cabinet together through a contentious congress who was angry at him being president?
I know he and Cheney were working to try to modernize the military to deal with terrorism, against a very entrenched and stubborn old school military bureaucracy which didn’t see the need for such changes.
“nowhere near as many people in the US like Bush as you tend to believe, especially in the military. I see it every day. Based on this alone, I honestly think that McCain / Palin will not win come November.”
You could be right, but I hardly think living in Germany gets you a good pulse on the feelings of average Americans.
“If she’s actually qualified or not is at this point politically irrelevant IMHO.”
Politics is about appearances. Sad but inarguable truth.
Predrag: “To anyone reasonably objective on this issue it is very clear that Obama can now sleepwalk through this election.”
We’ll see.
don: “Jeez, give it a rest. It’s Labor Day weekend.”
Take it away, don. What do you have to say?
twilightmoon,
had my father not passed when i was young and i was raised by both a black american and a korean immigrant, what would you say i am?
james73,
You’re a human being, so it really doesn’t matter the whole issue is that it’s sad that it even is an issue in 2008.
Hopefully I’ll live to see the day when people see themselves as humans, not as blacks or whites or whatever.
If you are going to divide people up tho, I’d say that you would have been koreanblack or blackorean.. hmm that sounds kinda cool, maybe that.
twilightmoon,
you’re right, i don’t have any in-laws. i’m gay, i live in texas, and can’t marry. i’ll probably never will have in-laws; since as a gay american i’m not granted the rights to the “equal protection clause” of the 14th amendment and allowed the full rights to marriage or to have my marriage recognized in my home state if i married my partner in a state that allows marriage or civil unions.
but then again, my parents marriage would’ve been illegal too until the supreme court found that laws against mix raced marriage was unconstitutional several decades ago.
I think its safe to say you live an interesting life James.
twilightmoon,notfallingforitlibmedia et al.
You’re embarrassments to this country.
People like you who put party before country have, after 8 years of what we have seen, simply have mental or personality defects that are beyond repair.
Again,
Who do you want to go up against Putin,
Biden or Palin,
If you answer, corrupt hockey mom again, then seriously think about your lives and perhaps you should both consider playing with your WIIs all all day Nov 4th instead of voting, it will be fun for you and just my save the country for the rest of us.
twilightmoon,
you say it’s sad that it’s even an issue yet, you, yourself state that you view obama as a white dood; and your earlier statement was that obama was white because he was raised by his white mother.
if your logic now is that i should be viewed as a human, regardless of which parent raised me then why can’t you, or don’t you, apply that same logic to obama and just say you view him as a human being; all-be-it one you don’t support for president; instead of personally viewing him as the “white dood”.
to continue with the thought of personally viewing him as a “white dood” you negates your position of hoping to “live to see the day when people see themselves as humans, not as blacks or whites or whatever.” how do you justify this? you discount obama’s humanity by referring to him the way that you do, yet you hope to see the day when we don’t refer to ourselves by our ethnic make up.
your statements on this issue are somewhat contradictory.
Nothing to say other than I’m cleaning the grill for a BBQ tomorrow.
twilightmoon,
when palin ran for governor in 2006 she was for the “bridge to nowhere” earmark. when it became in issue of pork barrel spending the bridge earmark was changed to a general transportation appropriation, effectively changing the legal language, but not the money.
at the time, sen. coburn (r-ok) wanted to restructure the earmark to support the repair of a bridge that was damaged by hurricain katrina. congress abandoned specific earmarks for both bridges, alaska still received the full amount of appropriated money to use for transportation infrastructure as it saw fit. for a while, alaska, under gov. palin, still had plans to build a bridge, but in 2007 canceled the plan.
macdailyuser
go troll somewhere else.
james73 “to continue with the thought of personally viewing him as a “white dood” you negates your position…..your statements on this issue are somewhat contradictory.”
I guess I’m kind of mocking the whole issue. I would never vote for or against someone as president because they were black, or Korean or gay or whatever. I’d vote on how well I think they represent my interests and my beliefs.
twilightmoon,
people in europe pay higher gas prices because they are taxed higher on gas, not because of supply and demand (as it’s been argued to be in the u.s.). europeans also expect this tax revenue to pay for access to healthcare, education, and infrastructure.
twilightmoon,
i applaud you for voting for someone who represents your interest and beliefs.
i do, however, feel that you’re somewhat backtracking when you say that you’re “kind of mocking the whole issue.”
james73: “i do, however, feel that you’re somewhat backtracking when you say that you’re “kind of mocking the whole issue.”
how so?
If there was a black candidate or a korean candidate who I felt would represent my interests with integrity or honor do you think I’d hesitate to vote for them over a white candidate who did not?
The issue is race is not an issue except to people who it’s an issue to. I am not one of those people. Yet how do you explain that 90+% of blacks plan to vote for Obama?
If 90% of whites would not vote for Obama, do you think we’d even be talking about him?
Let’s see. She ran on a platform in support of the bridge to nowhere until it was cancelled then she was against it. She pushed through a big tax increase on the oil companies including a windfall profit tax. Alaska is supposedly full of these rugged individualists except that they are a welfare state surviving on Federal tax dollars and taxes on big oil. She wants to drill ANWR and McCain is against it, but maybe he’ll flip flop on that issue too. Fox is actually touting her having international experience because Alaska is close to Russia. Jon Stewart put it well when he said that this means that since Alaska is close to the North Pole she must be on good terms with Santa Claus. Absurd.
It is rather scary how McCain picked this woman. It seems that he only decided on her about a week ago. She was not vetted or researched. McCain only met her for about 15 minutes before the announcement. This is absurdly silly. Support for this woman is simple partisanship. If Senator Obama had picked this woman the right wingers would be in a lather. It reminds me of when Schwarzenegger was running for governor here in California. There were stories about his participation in group sex parties. The right wing radio crowd here which had been in a tizzy over Clinton now were saying that this meant that Schwarzenegger was more experienced and better prepared. McCain says she was the best person for this position. I can only imagine how Romney and Giuliani et al feel about that. What an insult. What a slap in the face to the experienced people who have worked in public service all their lives.
twilightmoon,
i’m not referring to your objective of voting for the person who best represents your interests and beliefs. in fact i applauded you for that, because that is how it should be.
you’re back tracking on calling obama the “white dood” and the subsequent conversation we had when you stated that “you’re just mocking the issue.” which issue are you mocking?
when i stated people of mixed race aren’t perceived or judged by who raised them but by the color of their skin you stated that you do and to do otherwise is bogus and racist. in essence you viewed obama as the “white dood” because he was raised by his white mother, you said i was korean because i was raised by my korean mother. when asked what i would be if i was raised by both my parent if my father hadn’t passed away you said human, and wished we would stop referring to ourselves by black, white, or whatever.
i started out by saying your argument is laughable, when you mock you choose to make fun of a subject. you’re backtracking from the issue of race, racial identity, and perceptions of racial identity, which you injected into your earlier rhetoric. you’re trying to make light of your perceptions of obama’s racial identity because i called you out on it by stating that you negate your own positions and make contradictory statements.
please explain how you’re trying to “kinda mock the whole issue.” is mocking the issue calling obama the “white dood” while at the same time wishing we all would move pass perceptions (internally and externally) of race and ethnic identity?
to go further and state that 90+% of black people are going to vote for obama doesn’t take into account that a majority of those voters will be voting for him because they feel that he best represents their beliefs and interest, it just so happens that he’s black. this same argument holds up if 90+% of white people don’t vote for him. in the end the electorate will, and should, vote for the person they best identify with.
to say that ‘the issue [of] race is not an issue except to people who it’s an issue to” counters you own statements of seeing each other as humans. if you truly see past the color of obama’s skin then why refer to him as the “white dood”? by referring to him in this way you’re clearly showing that at some level his racial identity and cultural upbringing is an issue.
i am in no way calling you a racist. i truly believe you will vote for the candidate that best represents your interests and beliefs. what i did do is share my experience as someone who is bi-racial and i questioned the logic of your statements.
what exactly are you trying to accomplish by making mocking the issue? you’re statement really does come across as a little c.y.a therefore you’re backtracking.
john konopka,
the washington post has an article addressing how romney and pawlenty feel about the situation. i quote
“Though it was high in shock value, the Palin pick left bruised feelings among the short-list contenders who were not picked — and infuriated some Republican officials who privately said McCain had gone out on a limb, unnecessarily, without laying the groundwork for such an unknown. Two senior Republican officials close to Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now “feel manipulated.”
“They now know that they were used as decoys, well after McCain had decided not to pick them,” one Republican involved in the process said.” (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/29/palin_pick_leaves_bruised_feel.html)
james73: “i was raised by both my parent if my father hadn’t passed away you said human, and wished we would stop referring to ourselves by black, white, or whatever.”
Basically being black, calling someone black or African American or whatever terms are preferred is fine. The issue is judging someone based on their skin color, making fun of someone or excluding them from things etc.
When I call Obama a white dood, my point is that he’s at least as white as he is black so the fact that it’s a major issue in the campaign itself is sad.
“i am in no way calling you a racist. i truly believe you will vote for the candidate that best represents your interests and beliefs. what i did do is share my experience as someone who is bi-racial and i questioned the logic of your statements.”
It concerns me that ~90% of blacks will vote for Obama, it’s the OJ trial all over again. I wish we could get past this and have people judged by their actions, their character and their accomplishments rather than skin pigment.
If I agreed with Obamas positions on politics I’d vote for him gladly. He does not, he wont get my vote.
“what exactly are you trying to accomplish by making mocking the issue? you’re statement really does come across as a little c.y.a therefore you’re backtracking.”
How am I covering my ass? I think the issue itself is silly, and sad at the same time. I pointed it out with some humor, maybe it wasn’t the funniest joke you ever heard, but that’s what I was trying to do. I don’t see why I have to cover my ass for anything.
James73: “Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty said they had both been rudely strung along and now “feel manipulated.”
Politics is not called poli (many) tics (blood sucking worms) for no reason, it’s a rough trade.
If this story is true I do feel for those that McCain didn’t pick, I’m sure it had to hurt, but they are big boys and they will handle it. I’m sure they are smart and experienced enough to know that this is part of how the game works.
@twilightmoon,
“You could be right, but I hardly think living in Germany gets you a good pulse on the feelings of average Americans.”
So what you’re saying is that living outside of the US does not qualify me and other US expats as average Americans? I pay taxes like you, vote like you, have to pay my bills like you. I make it a point to inform myself on as much of what goes on at home, as most expatriates do. I’d go so far as to say that I probably have a better pulse on the feelings of average Americans than you do.
By living outside of the US, I actually have the advantage over many US citizens that I see my country from a much less isolationist, more objective point of view. The majority of Americans only know what’s going on in their back yard. I don’t know if you’ve ever spent time in the military, but the US military community is and always has been a very good indicator of what the mood of the country is. They have the same issues, problems, fears and hopes as non-US military affiliated Americans, so I think I have a very good grasp of what the mood of the country is.
Thanks for playing, though.
@Military Police
Many people, not just scientists, are capable of making sound observations. Theories qualifying as science are based on more than observations. A scientific theory is an explanation of a set of observations with a testable hypothesis. This is the scientific method. Creation science is not science, because the explanation (theory) is not testable.
twilightmoon,
actually, if you look politics up in apple dictionary you find
ORIGIN late Middle English : from Old French politique ‘political,’ via Latin from Greek politikos, from politēs ‘citizen,’ from polis ‘city.’
once again, your attempt to be funny wasn’t funny.
you’re having to cover your ass because i’m asking you to justify your statements, your intent, and the reasoning behind your logic. you made contradictory statements, made an attempt to be sardonic which fell on deaf ears. i do agree with you that referring to obama as the white dood was sad and silly though. silly in that the statement was made, sad because is contradictory to your desire to move beyond the focus of race in the presidential election.
by further explaining your position you expand on the reasoning behind your logic and statements. thank you very much, but please, oh please, don’t bring up oj. by doing so you buy into the belief that the majority of black folks in this country didn’t think oj did it. while this notion was pushed in the media, in private black folks know that he did, black folks were just happy to finally see a black man who could afford to pay for the legal bill, and he was able to railroad the legal system the same way that rich white men have been able to for years. bringing up oj really has nothing to do with the success of the obama candidacy. there are many black folks who question obama’s commitment to issues the black community hold near and dear.
I’m actually quite surprised the number of republican Mac users out there or at least on this site. I thought I heard once that Mac users tend to be more liberal, weird. Although, republicans have also been able to gather their troops better than any other party, hence the ability of the worst president in United States history being reelected twice.
Seriously though, why do Americans hate other Americans so much? It seems to be the South and the Midwest vs everyone else. How did this happen? I’ve always thought we were the United States of America. United we stand, divided we fall. I think that sums up all of our ills currently facing our country.
She’s hot but I could never handle that screechy perky born again voice. Seems like the do goody, gleam in the eye, teach creationism in school, screw with your life with a smile on her face type. Who wants to lay odds she is a windoze user to boot?
A cynical move by the McCain camp to be “different”, like Obama.
Pathetic.
The Dems/Libs hate Sarah Palin because she is more in tune with real American women (and all real Americans), not just those pockets of deluded Socialists in Cambridge, MA, Berkeley, CA, and at NBC, CBS, ABC, and PBS.
The Dems/Libs hate small towns (witness their petty, small, knee-jerk reaction to Palin), real people, and are elitist out-of-touch idealists whose ideas routinely fail in the real world.
We spent enough money building and then tearing down your blighted public housing, Libs.
We do not want a nanny state.
We do not want you to take from the producers to redistribute to the non-producers in wasteful ways that don’t help the non-producers become producers.
Enough. Palin is not just the next VP, she’s the next President after McCain.
The Libs know it and that’s why they hate her.
“A cynical move by the McCain camp to be “different”, like Obama.”
So the Democrats are being cynical in picking Obama?
James73: ” in private black folks know that he did, black folks were just happy to finally see a black man who could afford to pay for the legal bill, and he was able to railroad the legal system the same way that rich white men have been able to for year”
Wow thats even worse than thinking he’s innocent. That’s much worse and shameful. OJ and Obama are similar only in the nature of how the black community reacted to each, lining up behind the black. The reality, simply based on numbers, is that whites males elect president.
I’m done trying to “cover my ass” or whatever you call it you didn’t like my humor fine, I have explained myself enough. I can hardly expect that everyone will see humor in the same things that I do, particularly someone such as you with vastly different life experiences, different sensitivities and nearly opposite political views.
All I can say at this point is if my attempt at humor offended you, then I’m sorry.
The political joke? C’mon you really have to pick on that one? That’s a pretty mild one, now you’re just reaching to find areas you can sternly wave a finger at me, it’s getting old!
Get some fun out of life!
gzero,
Your views are not irrelevant, I just think living in Germany or anywhere in Europe gives you a different perspective than Americans have. You said that yourself.
What are we arguing about exactly?
btw I was in Air Force ROTC in college for awhile then was hospitalized a little over a year later for manic depression, which sadly disqualifies myself for military service. If I could have been I would have, but that was not in the cards for me.
I do have tremendous respect for those that do serve in any branch of the military tho.
I just heard on the radio this morning that Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant and plans to marry the father, and that Palin asked for privacy from the media.
It will be interesting to see if the liberal media will show the same respect towards Palin’s daughter that they showed to Chelsea.
Doubt it.
The pregnancy of Palin’s daughter is a non-story.
After all, it’s not like she’s the daughter of some Democrat, where they’d just vacuum “the problem” away and never mention it.
The Palins are handling it the right way. Honestly, with no murder for convenience, just total support for a young woman who isn’t perfect, just like everyone else.
Apparently the Palins, who are flat-earth, Neo-Con folks who believe in talking snakes and a 4,000 year old earth have yet to discover the rubber. It seems the promise ring and church ceremony didn’t protect their daughter from hormones, a boyfriend and a bed.
Yep, the family values party brings us a VP candidate that has a knocked up daughter but opposes sex education. Heckuvajob, Brownie.
Democrats must be VERY careful not to take a false step here. The way they did with the “mayor of a small town while totally ignoring her governorship” response to her selection.
Some have said that the Obama campaign is behind the rumor-mongering about Sarah, Bristol and Trig.
Any sense that Democrats are pushing this non-story will almost certainly turn both Sarah and Bristol Palin into sympathetic figures — and that spells trouble for her detractors.
@twilightmoon and Kirsten
I guess that abstinence only sex education really works well for you right wingers!
NoPCZone, twodales et al.,
Sarah Palin is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she’s a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization. In 2002, she wrote a letter to FFL stating that she had “adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837538,00.html
Rheinhard: ” but given her radical anti-choice stand “
I don’t know what Rheinhard’s stand is on human life, but given his radical pro babymurdering stand…
That term is such bullshit, seriously you assholes who use it need to stop.
Have some fucking respect for people who value the sanctity of life and believe it starts at conception, even if you disagree. If you cannot do that then just shut the fuck up. – twilightmoon
So, twilightmoon, for YEARS now people who favor choice have been called babykiller by the radical religious right, while people in favor of turning women and doctors into criminals for making very difficult choices while at the same time demanding there be no effective sex-education and that using contraceptives is the same as abortion are just good, lovely god-fearing people! I’ll show people who “value life” respect as soon as they show some to me!!
Seriosuly, fuck you, you lying asshole. You aren’t pro-choice in the slightest if you could fly off the handle at such an innocuous comment.
These people demand that women be reduced to nothing more than enslaved baby-manufacturing plants for the godbag husbands, and I’m the radical?? Screw you, you godbag Bible-thumping troglodyte.
I want to see fewer abortions, as do ALL *real* pro-choice people, but I want to do it the sensible way, by making sure teens understand the truth about sex (not just “abstinence only” nonsense which any teen recognizes as condescending bullshit), and making sure sensible contraception options are available if people (being people) make an informed decision to have sex. The enemy (by enemy I mean the Christian far-right) want to make it impossible even for adults to purchase LEGAL contraceptive products, by doing things like allowing Jesus-freak pharmacists to deny filling legitimate prescriptions if it offends their “religious” sensibilities! Hey douchebag, if your “religious” sensibilities keep you from doing your job, how about doing us all a favor and get another goddam job, huh??
And I guess today we see the effectiveness of the American Taliban’s insistence on “abstinence only” – Palin’s own 17 yr. old daughter is over 5 months pregnant!! Apparently she is going to keep the baby (good for her, I am fully in support of women being able to CHOOSE what they want to do, just opposed to the Talibangelicals who insist on DENYING that choice to others). Of course this choice is a lot easier for her, being well-supported by a wealthy and politically powerful family.
But what about troubled teens who may be even younger than her, and don’t enjoy such support? What about the teen who is in a poor house with a single parent making minimum wage and gets no health care? Who is now faced with the choice of giving up almost all hope of bettering herself through education and who has no access to prenatal health care? As far as godbags like twilightmoon are concerned she should be forced to have the baby (preferably at gunpoint), but once the kid is born it’s own its own! After all, things like social and medical services for the poor are just “socialism” right?
I really want to see Gov. Palin asked what her view is on vaccination for the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV). You do know, after all, that a lot of Talibangelicals don’t even want young girls to get VACCINATED against this dangerous virus (which can cause uterine cancer!!) becuase they think the possibility of getting one more sexually transmitted disease is GOOD!! (The scarier sex is, the less kids will have of it, right?? These people want to drive America back to the Dark Ages, and I am not obligated to have the slightest respect for them, or for twilightmoon, until they cant at least join us in the 20th century, let alone the 21st!!
Hey, I’ve been out of town for awhile. Did I miss anything?
Looks like twilightmoon has it under control……
@Rheinhard
GREAT RANT, keep it coming.
The birth control pill, the morning after pill, the condom, the diaphragm, etc. Apparently the Palins don’t know about these things.
P.S., she’s good at foreign policy because Alaska is right next to Russia (ROTFLMAO).
Puhleeeze!
NoPCZone: “Apparently the Palins, who are flat-earth, Neo-Con folks who believe in talking snakes and a 4,000 year old earth have yet to discover the rubber. It seems the promise ring and church ceremony didn’t protect their daughter from hormones, a boyfriend and a bed.”
Why don’t you pick on her down syndrome baby while you’re at it?
Very classy.
Rheinhard,
You’re vitriolic and inaccurate post deserves no further comment than that I hope you are sterilized and do not breed.
Apparently her 17 year old 5-month pregnant daughter is the new target of the day from classless, bigoted liberal hypocrites.
Keep it coming guys, party of compassion!
Vitriolic? You got that right.
Inaccurate? Please point out a single inaccuracy.
And twilight exposes the entire McCain campaign platform for the next 2 months:
Criticism of McCain policy: “He was a P.O.W!”
Criticism of Palin policy: “She has a Down’s Syndrome Baby!”
Republicans: still the party of whiny titty-babies.
Even John Gruber at Daringfireball has jumped on the dump-on-the-pregnant-17-year-old bandwagon:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/palins-17-year-old-daughter-is-pregnant/?hp
Rheinhard,
Criticism of her 17 year old pregnant daughter = criticism of her policy?
Boy you really are capable of some interesting leaps of logic.
I haven’t linked a single post concerning Sarah Palin’s record to her down syndrome baby in over 7 pages of this thread. It’s clear you haven’t actually bothered to read a single thing I’ve said, but that sure doesn’t seem to stop you from knee-jerk reacting to it.
I’m not a ring winger, I’m moderately pro abortion rights, but that sure won’t stop you from trying to ram a round peg into a square hole because it seems to fit your narrow black n white view of the world.
I’ve simple objected to your obscene use of language, and complete lack of respect for people that disagree with you politically.
I actually respect quite a few posts I’ve read in this thread from people I definitely disagree with, but you don’t happen to be among them, maybe you’ll change your tone and stop throwing insults and post with a little more temperance.
Is that even possible from you?
twilightmoon,
all i have to say is welcome to the world of white privilege when you make statement like “The reality, simply based on numbers, is that whites males elect president.”
Criticism of her 17 year old pregnant daughter = criticism of her policy?
Where did I criticise the daughter? I said I supported her choice, but that her mother’s POLICIES (abortion should be illegal under almost all circumstances) would deny the same *choice* to millions of women under different personal and financial circumstances, and (favor of abstince-only education) clearly doesn’t work to reduce pregnancy, either in any general study you care to cite and now in palin’s own family directly.
I’ve simple objected to your obscene use of language, and complete lack of respect for people that disagree with you politically.
I remind you, sir, that in response to my single use of the phrase “radical anti-choice stand” (and that is quite simply what it is) YOU called me a radical pro-babymurderer. As to “complete lack of respect who disagree” pot, meet kettle!
twilightmoon,
the issue isn’t about palin’s down syndrome child. it’s about an abstinence only governor who can’t even apply the same policy in her own home. as the executive of her state, how can she continue to justify a policy towards her populous that has failed in her own home.
that being said, i do believe that this (her daughter pregnancy) is a private family matter. it is however, another case of conservative hypocrisy.
james73: “all i have to say is welcome to the world of white privilege when you make statement like”
Elections are about raw numbers. In Nairobi I’d doubt that while males have significant impact on who gets elected to office.
This isn’t about racism, it’s just statement of fact. Being white doesn’t get all the magic privileges that you describe tho, not everyone who has white skin makes million+ dollar salaries and sips champaign from the decks of their yachts. Certainly doesn’t describe me.
James73: “that being said, i do believe that this (her daughter pregnancy) is a private family matter. it is however, another case of conservative hypocrisy.”
You obviously do not view it as a “private family matter” if you say “the issue isn’t about palin’s down syndrome child. it’s about an abstinence only governor who can’t even apply the same policy in her own home”.. you can’t have it both ways. I think it’s unfortunate that her 17 year old kid decided to have sex and got pregnant outside being married, but she’s old enough to have known better, and I doubt her mother encouraged her behavior. This isn’t hypocrisy, it wasn’t Sarah Palin’s decision, this was her daughter. Apparent you think parents should mind control their children?
You’re reaching here, James.
obama’s statement regarding palin’s daughters pregnancy as reported in the new york time’s caucus blog
“Mr. Obama, in his first remarks on the matter, raised his voiced when asked whether his campaign or other Democratic operatives were working to advance rumors surrounding the Palin family.
“Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be,” Mr. Obama snapped. “And if I ever thought there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they’d be fired, OK?”
Mr. Obama said the pregnancy “has no relevance to Governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president.” He added that, “my mother had me when she was 18. How family deals with issues and teen-age children – that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics.”
“So,” he added, “I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories.”
i really think that this should put a close on this matter, don’t you.
Wow…343 comments…300 made by twilightmoon who has been hanging around for two fsckin’ days. Get a life man. Let it go…there’s no need to troll this board any longer. Your obsession with having the last word is quite annoying. Start a blog, post the address, invite some friends, and have at it. Take your personal beliefs and just go away.
The Dude Abides…
The Dude,
My posts are topical, yours is not.
Mine are direct responses to what other’s have posted here, yours is not.
I’ve posted on MDN going back at least 4 if not more years. I try not to pollute non political threads with my political beliefs, this one thread is a political one.
You don’t like what I have to say, skip my posts.
Take your own advice.
James,
I wish it would put the matter to an end, I doubt it will.
I’ll definitely give Obama points for class in how he handled this publicly, and I’ll take him at his word that he won’t pursue the matter through back channels.
Rheinhard: “I remind you, sir, that in response to my single use of the phrase “radical anti-choice stand” (and that is quite simply what it is) YOU called me a radical pro-babymurderer. As to “complete lack of respect who disagree” pot, meet kettle!”
I’ll tell you what, find a less insensitive term to refer to those who believe abortion is killing a baby, and I’ll call you a pro abortion rights advocate. Just because you don’t agree with someone on an issue doesn’t mean you need to spit in their face.
By the way I’d say the same thing to an unborn life advocate, if they were disrespectful towards you and your views.
The problem with that is that for years on this issue the conservative, anti-abortion forces have been able to “frame the debate”. Have you ever seriouly demagogued pro-life boards or discussions and demanded that they refer to not refer pro-choice groups as “pro-babykilling”?
Framing the debate is very important and for far too long we have allowed right-wing frames to prevail throughout our media. Our political coverage is about “latte-sipping liberal elitists” vs. “patriotic salt of the earth conservatives”. When one points out that these patriotic salt-of-the-earth conservatives don’t know how many houses they own (just like most hard-working Americans), and that they have repeatedly voted against increased body armor for troops or veterans benefits, we are told that is merely being “petty” and “spiteful”.
The use of “anti-choice” (to which I will steadfastly adhere, sorry), is an important element in attempting to reframe the debate. I hardly see how that phrase is “spitting in their face”. Especially considering most of the spitting I’ve encountered is done by the anti-choice brigades protesting at Planned Parenthood centers and so, and is directed at women and doctors.
twilightmoon,
while having a yacht and drinking champagne is an extreme example of white male privilege can be it is a misunderstanding to believe that it is the definition of white male privilege.
besides economic, and sometimes economics of scale, white male privilege is defined as benefiting status in this country simply because one is white and male. unlike white women, white men never had to fight for the right to vote; unlike black people white men have never had to go through the end of slavery, to jim crow laws, to the civil right era, unlike minority groups and women in this country white men have always been apart of the power structure of this country. the power structure in this country is geared towards white men. whether that is because of shear population numbers overtly and covertly white male privilege does exist in this country.
It looks like you typed a short comment while I was in the middle of writing my previous one, and it goes very well to my point about framing.
The question is being a “pro-abortion-rights” advocate vs an “unborn life advocate”. Do you see the rhetorical difference between these phrases? If you presented them both to someone who had no idea and no opinion of the subject, which do you think sounds better? Of course everyone is in favor of “life”, right?
And most people would not recognize the semantic difference between “pro-abortion rights” and “pro-abortion“. I am emphatically not pro-abortion qua abortion! As I said I would like to see less abortion: but I believe the way to do that is NOT to criminalize women for making very tough real-life decisions.
We need effective sex education, availability of contraception, and perhaps above all — EQUAL rights and opportunities for women in the workforce and education! Many studies show the best way to reduce pregnancy rates is give women education (not just sex ed, but in math, science, the arts, etc.) and make sure they know that there are opportunities for them other than getting hitched at age 14, as often happens in societies where women are not valued except in as far as they are able to bear sons! In this sense I resent being called “pro-abotion-rights”, which, though accurate generally, fits the old right-wing frame of the debate. I want women to have CHOICES, both in the reproductive rights and in education and employment, and firmly believe that more CHOICES == LESS ABORTIONS.
Heh, ironically my security word is “choice”…
Rheinhard: “The use of “anti-choice” (to which I will steadfastly adhere, sorry), is an important element in attempting to reframe the debate”
No, its you being a jackass.
Look, I am in favor of abortion rights, the difference is that I respect people who feel that its murdering a human life. You do not.
Therefore you feel justified in insulting those with legitimate ethical beliefs. As soon as you do that, you delegitimize yourself and your argument.
Have some respect for people you disagree with who have legitimate ethical beliefs, and you can form your argument on the basis of your own ethical standards, and explain them rationally.
What you are saying is because there are loud-mouthed and disrespectful people on the right, you can and should stoop to that level and act exactly like them.
That’s a human reaction, but it’s the same type of eye for eye “I’m going to get mine” mentality that leads to the majority of wars, divorces, and rape, murder and robberies.
You’re quite capable of rising above it, I’m merely asking that you do so, not that you change your views on the subject. Just be more civil about it.
James73: “unlike white women, white men never had to fight for the right to vote”
Learn your history. Look up the American Revolutionary War, or if you prefer the British term “American War for Independence”.
“unlike black people white men have never had to go through the end of slavery”
You’re unaware that tens of thousands of white American men gave their lives fighting to end slavery?
“to jim crow laws, to the civil right era,”
Human history is full of bullshit as far as you can look back, and it will likely remain that way into the future unless decent people get off their ass and do something about it.
Starting by treating other people with respect, even if you disagree is a good place to start as any.
“whether that is because of shear population numbers”
It’s not merely a case of numbers, but that’s a definite factor. It cannot be ignored that women and many minorities have worked hard and found success in the “white male system” too. I would argue that willingness to work hard, and learn, and adapt, and better yourself is a greater determination of success in America than skin color.
My terms are not perfect, I’ll grant you that, but they are less charged and euphemistic than pro life and pro choice.
They are at least descriptive and honest.
Even if you don’t agree with those who are pro unborn life, you have to agree that that is the basis for their beliefs, and respect it. I would not ask you to respect those who call you a baby murderer, but I’d also say that not everyone who is pro unborn life uses that term.
For the many who seem to have missed it:
Sarah Palin is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she’s a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization. In 2002, she wrote a letter to FFL stating that she had “adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837538,00.html
Sarah Palin is causing you Libs to lose your collective shit. Seriously, you knee-jerkers are blind with insane rage over her very existence.
Palin will be the downfall of the Liberal Democrat as she is exposing all the Libs for what they are: unthinking, morally-reprehensible, destroyers-at-any-cost (truth be damned) of anything that does not match their warped/preconceived notions of a world that does not match reality.
Simply hoping for things, no matter how desperately, will not make them so.
@TheDude – Twilightmoon has told is he is bipolar. This is just a huge manic episode that he has no control over. He’ll crash soon and sleep for a couple of days.
twilightmoon – go back on your meds! This can’t be good for you!
“unlike black people white men have never had to go through the end of slavery”
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http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm
” At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation’s loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.
The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:”
So about 360k men died in the Union army alone.
How many white men actually owned slaves? Was it more than that number?
There have been slaves in nearly every culture in human history. Can you find anywhere else in human history where a comparable amount of people gave up their lives to end it?
Should those people not be afforded with some respect for their sacrifice?
“twilightmoon – go back on your meds! This can’t be good for you!”
I’m quite fine, just have some time off, and was bored, there’s actually a good discussion going on between myself and a few others here. Note I have not hijacked every thread on MDN, just been yacking on this one.
Plus I’ve stayed on topic.
Now that you’ve taken a pot shot at my medical condition, do you have anything to say about the Palin nomination?
Hey “Research”, can you point me to A SINGLE CONCRETE THING that “Feminists For Life” has actually done on the “pro-contraception” as opposed to the “anti-abortion” side? Have the come down against pharmacists who refuse to fill DOCTOR AUTHORIZED contraceptive prescriptions? Have they supported the availability of contraceptives to teens? Have they ever worked WITH Planned Parenthood to provide contraceptive counseling, or do they only protest against them and throw things at women and doctors trying to go inside?
It’s really easy to just say you’re “pro-contraception” and then spend all your time picketing Planned Parenthood.
When you can get back to me with even one single concrete thing that this group has done to really increase access to contraception, I’ll entertain the idea of taking you seriously.
Rheinhard: “When you can get back to me with even one single concrete thing that this group has done to really increase access to contraception, I’ll entertain the idea of taking you seriously.”
See? You made your point without vitriol, I don’t know a damn thing about Feminists For Life so I won’t comment on them, but as I stated I haven’t argued for you to change your views, only the manner in which you express them.
I believe you have a principled position on pro abortion rights, you just sell yourself short when you spit on people who disagree with you.
My terms are not perfect, I’ll grant you that, but they are less charged and euphemistic than pro life and pro choice.
They are at least descriptive and honest.
With all due respect, if we were to permit the debate to be between the camps of “pro unborn life” and “pro abortion rights”, then there is no point to a debate because abortion rights will have already lost.
I am lot less concerned about hurting someone’s feeling by calling them anti-choice, than by allowing right-wing frames to continue to be used and simply allowing conservatives to enact their agenda unimpeded.
And as long as I’m on the subject I’m really tired in general of the calls to be “nicer”. Where were these calls for the last decade as right-wing hate radio called all liberals traitors? Look how far “being nice” got John Kerry in the last election! Maybe if he’d called the Swift Boat vets the lying bought-and-paid-for wingnut scumbags they are, he’d be in the White House now!
We have this myth that “in the old days” we used to have moderate, reasoned debates on issues and it’s only recently we have gotten too “polarized”. This is rose-colored revisionist history. There has NEVER been a time in the history of this republic that issues of great moment have been decided without acrimony! The early pamphlets (since newspapers in the 1700s were just biased partisan broadsheets as well) were filled with scurrilous irrelevant lies! Look at the vitiriol against Thomas Jefferson in his presidential election, all kinds of gossip including his relationship wth his slaves! To insist that we need to “tone it down” (especially when this directive is almost always only directed against one side), does us a great disservice.
Rheinhard: “With all due respect, if we were to permit the debate to be between the camps of “pro unborn life” and “pro abortion rights”, then there is no point to a debate because abortion rights will have already lost.”
Pro abortion rights never really won, they just had a rogue supreme court decide the issue without any democratic process involved.
Even someone who’s pro abortion rights can see the danger in this precedent.
“To insist that we need to “tone it down” (especially when this directive is almost always only directed against one side), does us a great disservice.”
You do make a good point, I’ll give you that. I still think you weaken your argument by refusing to make it with respect. You clearly have a principled position, and feel strongly about the issue, have considered it carefully, and continue to stay informed on it.
The only major problem I see from you is lack of consideration for those that are against abortion. By the way pro unborn life is not just a right/left position, it’s a human rights conflict between the rights of a pregnant female and her unborn baby. There are plenty of conservatives who are pro abortion rights, and plenty of liberals who are pro unborn life.
Also I hope you’re not saying that the moral and ethical positions behind pro abortion rights require rudeness and disrespect to win.
Have you even considered another approach to this than a head on attack?
You forgot to mention that Sarah Palin is the mother of a morally-reprehensible, unwed, pregnant daughter.
Rheinhard,
Also I did want to ask what do you think is appropriate for “free unrestricted access to abortion” do you feel that all 9 months are on the table? What freedom are you exactly arguing so strongly for?
“You forgot to mention that Sarah Palin is the mother of a morally-reprehensible, unwed, pregnant daughter.”
Don’t worry, right wing nutjobs are ok with executions.
Consider it a two for one special.
@twilightmoon: Yes, please get out of here and do this ‘thing’ you’re doing in a more appropriate place – ie. anywhere else but here – The Dude has some great suggestions to get you started. Please.
Sarah Palin is causing you Libs to lose your collective shit. Seriously, you knee-jerkers are blind with insane rage over her very existence.
Palin will be the downfall of the Liberal Democrat as she is exposing all the Libs for what they are: unthinking, morally-reprehensible, destroyers-at-any-cost (truth be damned) of anything that does not match their warped/preconceived notions of a world that does not match reality.
Simply hoping for things, no matter how desperately, will not make them so.
Too bad they’re so blind that they’re unable to see it.
twilightmoon,
i’m not saying that tens of thousands of white men didn’t die in the country during the civil war, and that the end result of the civil war was the end of slavery. i don’t discount the history of slavery in human culture. i’m not trying to make light or pass on the fact that there’s even a history of indentured servitude that also founded this country. no am i passing on the revolutionary war. what i am stating is that white men have benefited, in this country, more so than women and minority groups. during the founding of this country only white male land holder had the right to vote eventually it became all white males. women had to fight for the rights of suffrage, black people in this country at one point were counted as 3/5s of a man, initially, the civil war was fought over states rights and the preservation on the union; the end to slavery, once a subtext of the war, has become the dominate theme honor today.
i don’t disagree with on treating people with respect. i believe we’ve both had a very respectful conversation throughout our thread.
my father was born in houston, tx in 1933 and grew up in the 4th ward (the ghetto), he grew up during segregation, was in the military during military and civil desegregation, he’s a phi beta kappa. one of the things my father told me before he passed was that as a black man, i’m going to have to work twice as hard as the next guy to get ahead in life; so as to no be seen as someone who got ahead because of a handout. none, absolutely none of my white friend ever had a conversation like this with their parents.
i’m not saying that white men, women, or minority groups haven’t fought and/or lost their lives to move our country to its greater potential. what i am saying is that since the founding of our country, white men have had a built in legacy of privilege in our country that white women cannot claim, nor can any minority group.
Slavery does not mean we owe Obama the presidency.
McCain is wiser. McCain is a hero. McCain has experience. McCain has taken on his own party and won. McCain will change this country for the better.
makemineamac,
You’re contributing nothing to the discussion. If you do not like reading what I have to say, no one is forcing you to read my posts.
I do not flood MDN’s website with my political opinions, I try to stay topical as much as possible when I post here. This happens to be a political thread.
If you or The Dude, or anyone else is going to criticize me, at least say something relevant to the topic, or you’re just trolling.
Take your own advice. Please.
james73: “white men have had a built in legacy of privilege in our country that white women cannot claim, nor can any minority group.”
No argument there, however this is a two way street. Blacks cannot cheer when OJ gets acquitted, or stand by when Clarence Thomas gets his intelligence and qualifications questioned, or calling successful black men sell-outs, or look the other way when black men kill other black men in inner cities. Or say it’s ok for blacks to use the word Nigger or Nigga but say it’s a bad word that should vanish from our language.
You can’t have it both ways. Blacks that see whites as a separate race of elites and blame them for all their problems, and whites that see blacks as less than human beings are both wrong.
Just like in the case of the debate on abortion, people should treat others with respect, not doing so diminishes both sides.
Everyone should strive to better themselves and everyone should try to be an example that they’d like others to follow. No one will ever be perfect at this, but there’s definitely a difference between making an effort, and not.
3 Words:
Baby Mama Drama
Obama/Biden ’08
@Mr. T,
“Slavery does not mean we owe Obama the presidency.
McCain is wiser. McCain is a hero. McCain has experience. McCain has taken on his won party. McCain will change this country for the better.”
– Getting shot down in ‘Nam doesn’t mean we owe McCain the presidency either. He’s no more deserving of or entitled to the presidency than Hilary Clinton was on the Democratic side.
– What makes McCain wiser? his AGE? Please.
– What experience does McCain have that would make him a good president, when the fact is that other than his bi-partisan efforts regarding campaign finance reform, he hasn’t been that good of a legislator in his long years as senator of Arizona?
McCain, Bush, and the Republican lead Congress had their chance for eight years to change this country for the better and they blew it. If you think that the american people are going to give you Reps yet another chance to screw things up, you really are delusional.
Obama / Biden will win simply because people will not put up with four more years of Republican BS.
I pity the fool who can’t see the obvious:
McCain is vastly more experienced than Obama.
Read up on what McCain did other than just “getting shot down” in Nam.
You and your sniveling ilk can’t even imagine what he did for his country.
Liberal scum looking for handouts is what people really won’t put up with anymore. No time limit.
Sarah Palin. I love it when a plan comes together!
Pro abortion rights never really won, they just had a rogue supreme court decide the issue without any democratic process involved.
Even someone who’s pro abortion rights can see the danger in this precedent. – twilightmoon
Ah, and here we have another perfect example of a right-wing frame. So it was a “rogue” court, eh? really?
Can you please provide me the semantic difference between a “rogue” or “judicial activist” court,and a court which just makes any garden-variety decision that conservative ideologues don’t like? Because I have never been able to find one. The right, having decided it didn’t like expansion of rights for minorities, invented the silly concept of a “rogue” court, to explain it away.
You might be tempted to say “a rogue court is one that makes a decision out of sync with popular will”. You seem to be taking this road by arguing abortion wasn’t legalized through a “democratic process”, as if the role of the court is simply to rubber-stamp the will of 51% of the electorate. If you believe that, you don’t understand the constitution. One of the, if the single, most important roles of the court is to serve as a backstop against the “tyranny of the majority”. In other words, even if a vast majority of the population felt that it didn’t like what I had to say and would gladly pass a law to make it illegal for Rheinhard to write or speak for public consumption, it is the role of the court to say that such a law, though popular, is unconstitutional (in direct contravention of the first amendment).
Another example: Loving vs. State of Virginia. This was the case that struck down state laws banning interracial marriage as unconstitutional. Now, if, when that decision was handed down, you took a vote among Americans about whether they favored interracial marriage, the vast majority would have opposed it. Didn’t matter. It was wrong and unconstitutional. Was the court that decided this a “rogue” court?
A more recent one, and much closer to home: Kitzmiller v. Dover. This was the case that struck down the teaching of “Intelligent Design” creationism (ooh there I am being snide again, referring to ID as “creationism”…) Now the judge in this case, Judge Jones, was a conservative republican, recommended by the craziest wingnut in the Senate, Rick Santorum, and appointed by George W. Bush. As this case went to trial, you could read comments all over right-wing boards like freerepublic that “finally this kind of case is going before one of ‘our‘ judges…” But surprise! When Judge Jones fairly considered all the evidence and ruled that, yes, ID was just Biblical creationism with the serial numbers filed off, Jones was magically transformed overnight into a “<u>judicial activist</u>” in the parlance of the right.
You see? There is not a lick of difference between a “rogue” court and one that renders decisions the far right doesn’t like. The concept of a “rogue” or “judical activist” judge is simply another right-wing canard which has acheived acceptance in our discourse only because the right talks about it so much.
It is for precisely this reason that I will continue to insist on referring to anti-choice activists as such. It’s not “being mean” or “disrespectful” as you insist, as it is pushing an alternative frame for the discussion, which is the necessary first step toward moving the debate in the right direction. The fact that you tacitly accept the concept of a “rogue” court shows how important and successful this tactic can be.
Oscar Wilde: “Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else’s opinion, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.”
It sure shows on this site.
Turn it any way you like.. before McCain made his choice of VP.. every single political analyst and the larger percentage of Republicans chose Romney as who they thought would/should be his best pick.. Sarah Palin wasnt even on the radar (and this was one day b4 he made his decision). NOW all of a sudden, she is the best person for the job.. hands down?!?! I am not an American and i dont live in the United States (did a few years of college there), I don’t have any biases one way or the other. Its just so amazing how you guys are so good at over looking the obvious (intentionally).. like the present situation in your country and the downward progression from 8 yrs ago to now … the horrible mistakes and bad judgement that has been made from Katrina to Iraq (and all the shit in between).. wow!..lol.. and now here you go again..lol.. Obama vs. McCain… its obvious that its time for a change .. and for the shitty condition that the US is presently in.. one would think that would be enough to make it obvious that McCain is just more of the same old shit.. no rocket science at all .. screw all the talk about experience as a governor.. George Bush had tons of that.. Obama is a far better candidate than McCain.. the man is brilliant (check his speech at the Democratic convention) .. however .. that type of brilliance in a black man kinda makes white america uncomfortable.. many of them will never admit to it tho..lol..and its because of that one reason why many white democrats gonna walk on into those booths ..and the realization gonna hit em’.. and they gonna vote McCain!!.. and then on to another 4 years of shit
What the FOCK.
“be real” is right.
Fockin’ eh.
(I can’t use the real “f” word here, MDN removes my posts).
It’s OK for “twilightmoon” though.
He’s a neocon, so, anything goes, and MDN practices selective censorship.
This will probably be removed.
Because “FOCK” (Robert DeNiro) is a little too close for comfort.
It’s almost a bad word.
We don’t talk about “bad” things here.
Like a sanctimonious, confused, pawn who’s daughter will now be betrothed, probably to another teenager, because GAWD’s image in his mind wasn’t compelling enough for him to pull out early while he was plooking said daughter.
Except this boy’s future Mother in Law was hastily picked in a disingenuous (republiscam) effort to bolster the GOP ticket, as the 2nd in line to the Presidency.
By the way, isn’t it funny how GAWD sent the hurricane to New Orleans, to punish Bush for being such a FOCKUP during Katrina.
GAWD thought it apropos to cause this event during the start of the REPUBLISCAM CONVENTION.
(I’m emulating the mindset, thought process and writing style of the right wing posters on this board. This is FUN! How’m I doing?
How’m. A contraction I just made up.
Reminds me of “Gub’ment”.
Republiscam. I think I made that up. too!)
Where’s twilightmoon? Out of gas?
You guys are so awesome, really.
This is a cool, though sometimes nasty little debate.
My main point of contention on the Palin choice is what it shows us of McCain’s decision making process.
It was a very quick and political decision.
It has been a short term success.
What do we know of Obama?
Just how he handles himself and his campaign.
McCain voters will choose him for 1 of 2 reasons:
1: He is John McCain
2: He is not Barack Obama
The same is true of Barry O (I’m calling him “Barry O” from now on because it reassuringly more American)
Now let us all agree that one of these two arrogant buffoons is going to be our president in a very short time and will be piloting the ship of state through some very perilous waters.
Both have promised to deliver us a politics, not as usual approach to governing. A bi-partisan solution is on the table. Let us not squander this in the aftermath of this election from either side. No matter who wins this, we should hold their feet to the fire on their campaign promises to deliver us from the ridiculous smallness of political divisiveness, Amen.
The problem with comparing civil rights of interracial marriage, and abortion, is there is not a potential human life at stake.
Depending on when you consider human life to start, and frankly conception is at least a logical choice, it can be fairly considered murder.
I get what you’re saying that some things courts need to decide when the public can’t be fairly expected to consider, but how are you going to feel if a very conservative Supreme court starts deciding on laws that you don’t agree with? This matter can go both ways. I’d trust a court that was more conservative with how it interpreted the constitution rather than one that was more broad.
While the decision to allow interracial couples isn’t terribly controversial today, Abortion is. There is a reason for this.
Always Right: “Where’s twilightmoon? Out of gas?”
Hi.
(That’s sadly the only part of your post worth commenting on.)
twilight – this has already happened. IMHO the most extreme and horrific act of real “judicial activism” of my lifetime was the 2000 decision in Bush v. Gore (where the court proclaimed GW Bush President). And I think the real activism case can be made here because the court *itself* acknowledged its outlandishness because the ruling stated that it was never be used as precedent for any other decision. That has never happened before in the whole history of the Supreme Court, all the way back to this nation’s founding!!
The only reason interracial couples, etc. aren’t considered controversial is because of the passage of time, and people have become acclimated to the sense of it. The same will happen with gay marriage, when people realize that heterosexual marriages aren’t spontaneously dissolving and people aren’t suddenly turning gay. The same will happen with abortion. I like the take of Florynce Kennedy, “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”
What about the death penalty? If murder is so terrible for an insensate clump of undifferentiated cells, how can it be OK for a fully formed and sensate human being?
ccap1: “My main point of contention on the Palin choice is what it shows us of McCain’s decision making process.
It was a very quick and political decision.”
Hard to know how long McCain considered this decision, all we hear are rumors, which I’m not sure how much I can trust those. She seems like a decent and real person to me.
What’s interesting is that liberals tend to not like her, conservatives really like her, and people in the middle don’t really seem to care either way. So politically, it cost McCain nothing, his base his happy, liberals who never would have voted for him aren’t a factor, and people in the middle don’t seem to be put off by her. If he picks up a few extra women for choosing her that’s a bonus.
“No matter who wins this, we should hold their feet to the fire on their campaign promises to deliver us from the ridiculous smallness of political divisiveness, Amen.”
I actually like political contention. It serves several purposes. First it keeps government from doing *too much* which is good in my book, second it requires any side to justify when they want to do anything spend any money, raise any tax, or add any new restrictions on people’s lives.
Second, it’s phony to expect people with very different beliefs as to what should happen to the country and who are elected to enact a certain agenda are all going to get along and sing campfire songs.
“IMHO the most extreme and horrific act of real “judicial activism” of my lifetime was the 2000 decision in Bush v. Gore”
Meh, its very minor compared to Roe vs Wade.
“The same will happen with abortion.”
Says you, hasn’t happened so far. Don’t expect it will.
“insensate clump of undifferentiated cells”
Wow, no wonder you call pro unborn lifers “anti-choice” could you possibly be more insensitive?
twilightmoon, you are mixed up.
Do you have any idea how a blastocyst develops? When an egg is first fertilized it is a “stem cell”, a cell which has no set function (it could become a nerve, a muscle, a liver cell, etc.) It undergoes meiosis and divides and for the first several score divisions there is no differentiation of the cells into body parts. They are UNDIFFERENTIATED. And since no nerves have formed (indeed NO body parts have formed because the cells haven’t decided what to become yet), there are, necessarily INSENSATE. I have used these words very technically and precisely, and you have gone off and accused me of being “insensitive” again.
You’re providing a perfect example of why serious discussion of this issue is so difficult in the absence of real science. If people will insist that the moment an egg is fertilized it is no different than a fully formed adult human, that is based solely on religious conviction and not on any understanding of scientific evidence.
Also another example of framing: you clearly buy the frame that from the moment of conception “it’s a BABY!” and any discussion which doesn’t proceed from the underlying assumptions of that frame is “insensitive”.
Twilightmoon, it’s me, Hardy Har Har. I see you’ve been on that favorite exercise machine of the Republicants: the back-pedal machine! LOL!
So you respect other people’s opinion even if you don’t agree with it and can do so without bashing, eh? Let me remind you of your comment to my post a few days ago:
“Hardy Har Har: “I’ll not comment again until January and we’ll see if any of you are still pounding your chest”
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!
Bye.”
Mind you, I never singled out any particular individual on this forum with my comment but you came looking for me.
Now you say that the Democrats and others on this board are smearing what should be a personal matter for the Palin family. I call bullshizz! The RepubliNazi’s have consistently and historically said teen pregnancy is a problem of the ‘morally corrupt’, the ‘morally bankrupt’, the ‘godless’, the ‘uneducated’, the ‘lower socio-economic segments of our country, ‘minorities’, even calling it ‘an urban problem not reflective of mainstream, morally upright America’. That this is mostly an issue of single-parent homes where the father is absent and homes that don’t put God first. Such comments have been handed out from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter and Pat Robertson.
So let me ask you. Which of those colorful descriptions of the problem of teen pregnancy would you say the Palins fall under?
You see, if the ‘so-far-right-they’re-running in circles’ would stop being so condescending and all high and mighty they would have found out that NORMALLY this would not be an issue about ‘throwing stones’ but an opportunity to work on a problem that plagues ALL of America.
Frankly, it again shows a lack of judgment on the part of McCain’t because he should have known about it. If he knew about it and neglected to mention it (in effect, trying to hide it) it goes to the issue of character. Obama might not have said that but you know what? I will.
The Republicant spin machine is in full force. Poor Sarah and her family are ‘being picked on by the evil Democrats.’ ‘The evil Democrats will stoop to no low to go after her because she’s a woman.’
What’s evil is that the Republicants continue to insist that Obama is a Muslim when they know he isn’t. What’s evil is that the Republicants always play a divisive game where preying on old stereotypes is OK. Need I remind you that it’s always the Republicants that play the race card: just as they did when Harold Ford was running for Senator in Tennessee.
I’ll hold the door open for you so it doesn’t hit you on the way in because I know you’ll deny/spin/bash my comments, you’re that predictable.
“You’re providing a perfect example of why serious discussion of this issue is so difficult in the absence of real science. If people will insist that the moment an egg is fertilized it is no different than a fully formed adult human, that is based solely on religious conviction and not on any understanding of scientific evidence.
Also another example of framing: you clearly buy the frame that from the moment of conception “it’s a BABY!” and any discussion which doesn’t proceed from the underlying assumptions of that frame is “insensitive”.”
I don’t consider a fertilized egg to be the same as a fully formed human being, but we’re not merely talking about conception or a few days or weeks after that point when we’re discussing abortion. By the time abortions are performed the are not “insensate clump of undifferentiated cells”, this is why that comes across as insensitive. If we were talking about birth control and whether forms of birth control that work after an egg is fertilized then that term might be appropriate but that’s not the topic we were discussing.
I buy that some people can fairly argue that a fertilized egg cell is a human being. I respect that view, even if I don’t necessarily hold it myself.
Sarah Palin has had more executive experience than either Kennedy or Lincoln had at the time of their elections. This has nothing to do with Rove and political infighting. McCain had long interviews, extensive vetting and none of the others were nearly as qualified to be Vice President of the U.S. as Sarah Palin.
“Now you say that the Democrats and others on this board are smearing what should be a personal matter for the Palin family. I call bullshizz! The RepubliNazi’s have consistently and historically said teen pregnancy is a problem of the ‘morally corrupt’, the ‘morally bankrupt’, the ‘godless’, the ‘uneducated’,”
Are you saying that they are not? Certainly some are, and it’s frankly pretty sad. I don’t think it’s just Democrats tho, I’m sure plenty of conservatives and Republicans have chimed in too.
My point was if the media plans to give Palin’s daughter the same respect they gave to Chelsea or the because Palin is a Republican her daughter won’t get the same respectful treatment.
“The Republicant spin machine is in full force. Poor Sarah and her family are ‘being picked on by the evil Democrats.’ ‘The evil Democrats will stoop to no low to go after her because she’s a woman.’ “
Politics is spin, and this happens on both sides. But forget politics and Dem vs Repub for a second, do you think it’s right to be shoving a camera in the face of a 17 year old who made a mistake and got herself pregnant out of wedlock? Is that how you wish all 17 year old pregnant teens to be treated in this country?
“I’ll hold the door open for you so it doesn’t hit you on the way in because I know you’ll deny/spin/bash my comments, you’re that predictable.”
I didn’t see anything to bash that time. Try again.
So, still feeling comfortable with your pretty preachy VP pick? I guess she was just too busy looking out for her constituents to notice that her “abstinent” daughter just got knocked up by some local Yob?
All that preaching about abstinence and burning in hell and not one moment to explain the facts of life to her daughter? What kind of VP is this woman going to make? Spends more time looking after her career than looking after her family. Some role model.
And by the way, while she’s busy looking after 5 kids and a pregnant daughter, just when is she going to run the country?
calling conservatives “dipshits” in the next.
“All that preaching about abstinence and burning in hell and not one moment to explain the facts of life to her daughter?”
Don’t you have a church to go burn down somewhere?
“And by the way, while she’s busy looking after 5 kids and a pregnant daughter, just when is she going to run the country?”
Sexism is alive and well in this country.
Wow! Twilightmoon you really can talk without going personal. You’ve just earned my respect.
Point is that many in America have said the same thing for a long time. Stop shoving the mic in the face of the child and let’s come together as a nation to try and solve a problem that can touch anyone. Let’s stop blaming and pointing fingers and offer suggestions and solutions.
Let’s stop blaming homeowners as the primary cause of the housing crisis because the fact of the matter is that it was the greed of the banks and/or their loan officers trying to collect a fat commission and then selling the loans to the goverment or other unsuspecting banks that is the TRUE root of the problem. The last I heard, someone was supposed to show PROOF of income to qualify for a loan, not just put down a figure. Banks have access to a person’s credit history and now they want you to believe that a person who hasn’t made more than $40,000 in the last five years ‘conned’ them out of a loan for a $300,000 home.
There are real issues to be solved and blaming American citizens for not having ‘personal responsibility’ or for not having ‘high moral values’ as the root of the decline of our country is insane.
Let’s talk about how the American auto industry wants to blame the public’s perception of the ‘American’ automobile, the ‘lack of a skilled workforce’, or ‘lower labor costs’ of the competition as the reason why jobs are leaving this country. The last time I checked, while GM and Ford are closing plants in this country and taking the jobs outside of the US the competition (Toyota/Nissan/Honda) are BUILDING and EXPANDING plants in the U.S. using the same workforce that ‘American’ car makers can’t seem to make headway with. More to the point, any car BUILT IN AMERICA is an American car REGARDLESS OF THE NAMEPLATE. Any car built outside the US is an import.
Yeah, that’s right.
Republiscams are fulla shit.
How can we have a VP who’s OWN DAUGHTER is pregnant OUT OF WEDLOCK?
What kind of FAMILY VALUES are those?
no, not sexism my friend, reality!
Why don’t you go ahead and tell me how to raise a truck load of kids, one with special needs and a pregnant daughter. Oh and just for kicks, let’s have you be vice president of the greatest country in the world.
This used to be a tech blog, but it’s disintegrated into a useless partisan vehicle for the GOP. Who would have thought that MacDailyNews would champion this idiot as a savior for technology. Did anyone on the editorial board actually look at her record?
This woman is not qualified to be our vice president. This is an absolute embarasment for women, the United States and John McCane. It represents the further dumbing down of America.
To think that putting up a pretty woman to run as Vice President would placate the Far Right, the Neocons, the Evangelicals, the horny toothless men with worn-out palms, the possible undecided is one thing, but to think that you will win over Hillary Clinton Democrats is something else. No Hillary supporting Democrat in their right mind would vote for this Gun-Toting, shoot-the-animals-from-your-helicopter, moose eating sycophant who doesn’t have a clue about Darwinism or the fact that contraception prevents unwanted pregnancies. Nor would they possibly vote for someone so egotistical enough to put her career first and not pay attention to her own children. You never saw anything like this with Chelsea Clinton.
America Wake Up.
Seen from the outside (remember, there are few billions non-american out there!) this 2 parties thing is very strange and tricky… No real choice for you. Wether you like wars and you’ll go for McCain or you’ll try to be open minded and vote for the first non-white US president… But what will it change if the system itself and the real masters in the shadow aren’t replaced?
“You’re providing a perfect example of why serious discussion of this issue is so difficult in the absence of real science. If people will insist that the moment an egg is fertilized it is no different than a fully formed adult human, that is based solely on religious conviction and not on any understanding of scientific evidence.”
Then when do you draw the line. Genetically the child’s makeup and therefore a large percentage of the characteristics any eventual child will have are completely determined at that point.
Is it the “Same” as a child? probably not. But can that embryo grow into a child? Sure. Therefore it is distinctly scientifically different from the separate sperm and egg which existed seconds before. There doesn’t seem to be any later point during development which is scientifically as dramatic or determinative.
So while I would respect a woman’s right to chose, to convince her that it’s “just bunch of undifferentiated cells” is disingenuous. It is clear that something more than a few excess body cells is being disposed of.
But is a 22 week old foetus the “Same” as a child? It’s much closer and at that point have survived independent of the mother.
At this point both sides agree there is a dividing line. Few would vote to abort a 8.5 month old foetus.
Roe V Wade and subsequently Casey v Planned Parenthood are a lot about balancing the rights of the mother vs the rights of the child. It says in effect that up to a certain point the mother can favor her rights over that of the foetus. After that point the foetus’s rights prevail.
The only argument is where that dividing line lies. Today it lies with “Viability”, and that threshold is being pushed back earlier and earlier.
Science is likely to shatter this debate, because before this century ends, artificial womb technology will bring viability to the point immediately after conception, certainly to the point where most women realize that they are pregnant, thereby allowing the respecting of both the rights of the foetus and those of the mother.
At that point the argument will shift to whether a mother can abort for convenience.
If anything pro-lifers should be pouring thier efforts into sex education and contraception education (to avoid the moral question arising in the first place) and reproductive research as a backstop, knowing those things are what will eventually end any need for anything but convenience based abortions.
“Let’s stop blaming homeowners as the primary cause of the housing crisis because the fact of the matter is that it was the greed of the banks and/or their loan officers trying to collect a fat commission and then selling the loans to the goverment or other unsuspecting banks that is the TRUE root of the problem.”
Blame is at least 50/50 here, not all loans defaults were the fault of greedy and irresponsible lenders, the home owners share the blame too, and many were entirely to blame, this is likely more of a case by case situation.
“There are real issues to be solved and blaming American citizens for not having ‘personal responsibility’ or for not having ‘high moral values’ as the root of the decline of our country is insane.”
That’s too general of a statement to really comment on, but Americans have always valued personal freedom and achievement, where Europe values community more.
“Let’s talk about how the American auto industry wants to blame the public’s perception of the ‘American’ automobile, the ‘lack of a skilled workforce’, or ‘lower labor costs’ of the competition as the reason why jobs are leaving this country.”
GM has some serious problems with union contracts that allow people to retire early with nearly full retirement pay. There needs to be a balance between union contracts and the profit a company makes. I don’t say this to dump on unions, but if you depend on a company making money for your retirement, its not in your self interest to drive them to bankruptcy to pay your benefits, because then you’ll get nothing. GM makes some decent cars, my dad drives a suburban, but you have to do more than make good products, you need to sell them at a profit.
I own and drive a Toyota Camry, but I have nothing against American cars. I would drive one if I felt it was superior to what I own and drive now.
“no, not sexism my friend, reality!”
Sexism because you discount the role her husband could play in raising the kids. My brother raises his son without much help from the mom. It is possible for men to be involved in this process, just fyi.
“This used to be a tech blog, but it’s disintegrated into a useless partisan vehicle for the GOP.”
One thread out of how many? You don’t want to discuss politics, I can post you some links to other threads if you are unable to find them by yourself.
“This woman is not qualified to be our vice president. This is an absolute embarasment for women, the United States and John McCane. It represents the further dumbing down of America.”
You’re welcome to your opinion, but it’s nothing more than that. Plenty disagree with you in fact.
” No Hillary supporting Democrat in their right mind would vote for this Gun-Toting, shoot-the-animals-from-your-helicopter, moose eating sycophant who doesn’t have a clue about Darwinism or the fact that contraception prevents unwanted pregnancies”
You’re on a roll here, keep talking.
Interesting the sort of prejudice and rudeness that flows easily from liberals who cry in their beers about racism, and sexism, and other isms..
So I guess being rude and disrespectful to people is ok if you’re the one doing it, is that how this works?
@ Twilightmoon
Aw c’mon! You were doing so well not long ago. I’m going to have to take back the respect points I gave you.
“Blame is at least 50/50 here, not all loans defaults were the fault of greedy and irresponsible lenders, the home owners share the blame too, and many were entirely to blame, this is likely more of a case by case situation.”
While I don’t dispute that there were INDIVIDUALS who took advantage of the situation, to assign them even 50% blame for the problem is insulting. Whenever there is a systematic collapse of ANY institution/organization the first place to look to lay blame is at the hands of those in control (the gatekeepers). Due diligence on each and every loan application would have prevented the monumental collapse we have witnessed and would have EXPOSED those trying to defraud the system. There has been case after case after documented case where documents were forged AFTER the fact of the applicant signing off on the loan where income was ‘misrepresented’. I will confidently state that after thorough examination for every SINGLE individual found to have committed fraud, there are at a minimum TWICE as many loan officers/specialists who did the same.
I wonder about your age and question your experience of this phenomenon because this is nothing but a repeat of the savings and loan crisis of the 80’s but on a larger scale. This by the way was a situation in which John McCain played a central role. In both instances, the problems were a result of a loosening of regulation standards shoveled through Washington at the hands of the Republicans.
“GM has some serious problems with union contracts that allow people to retire early with nearly full retirement pay. There needs to be a balance between union contracts and the profit a company makes. I don’t say this to dump on unions, but if you depend on a company making money for your retirement, its not in your self interest to drive them to bankruptcy to pay your benefits, because then you’ll get nothing. GM makes some decent cars, my dad drives a suburban, but you have to do more than make good products, you need to sell them at a profit.”
GM is no different than our own government. Or have you forgotten (or did not know) that during the 80’s they passed a bill that no longer required them to vote on accepting a 5% salary increase on a yearly basis but now requires them to vote on a yearly basis IF AND ONLY IF they want to REFUSE the increase. Let’s not even mention the fact that they gave themselves an increase WITHOUT the permission of the people they serve. A government of, for and by the people didn’t even get a chance to voice their objection to it.
Congressmen and senators also voted themselves FULL lifetime medical care when they retire at the expense of the American people (yes, that’s right we continue to pay the health care bill of Newt Gingrich and Patrick Leahy) as well as retirement pay equal to the FULL salary they were making in their final year of service.
All of this without the permission of the American people. Republicans are always so fast to say government should get out of the pocketbooks of Americans while doing nothing about the excesses of public servants. All of this took place while Republicans had majority control of the House and Senate and while Reagan presided over the White House. I will be the first to admit however that the Democrats put up feeble resistance (at best) to any of this.
Wanna talk about health care? The Clintons went into the White House with an agenda to reform health care because they had the foresight to see the problems we are experiencing today. The Republicans went on the offensive with the backing of the insurance industry and parties lobbying on behalf of hospitals to say that Americans don’t need the government meddling with Americans health care because it would limit choice. Today with have less choice than in 1992 at much, much higher costs. Looks like it turns out the Clintons were right.
Rush Limbaugh was famous for calling female admirers/supporters of Hillary Clinton “Feminazi’s” but when McLame picks a female VP candidate in a pathetic effort to court these supporters all of a sudden the Far Wrong gets a hard-on in delusional anticipation of pulling these “Feminazi’s” over to the RepubliCant side.
‘That’s too general of a statement to really comment on, but Americans have always valued personal freedom and achievement, where Europe values community more.’
Have I been specific on enough issues now?
Correction:
“I will confidently state that after thorough examination for every SINGLE individual found to have committed fraud, there are at a minimum TWICE as many loan officers/specialists who did the same.”
That should read: There will be TWICE as many INSTANCES where loan officers/specialists did the same.
Explain something, how can you be Pro-Life but Pro-War and Pro-NRA?
No More War,
That’s not exactly my position, but that’s pretty easy to explain.
1. pro life believes you shouldn’t kill innocent babies.
2. pro war believes should be able to defend yourself from threats.
3. same with pro NRA.
Are you suggesting that someone who is against abortion should not defend themselves?
“Rush Limbaugh was famous for calling female admirers/supporters of Hillary Clinton “Feminazi’s” but when McLame picks a female VP candidate in a pathetic effort to court these supporters all of a sudden the Far Wrong gets a hard-on in delusional anticipation of pulling these “Feminazi’s” over to the RepubliCant side.”
Feminazis are actually feminists who are militant, not all HC supporters fall into this category, but you’re close.
McLame, Far Wrong, RepubliCant… well at least your vitriol is served with a side order of humor.
Look, I don’t want to see American auto industry die off, but I don’t know if that’s preventable at this point. Blame it on the Unions, blame it on the evil Republican party, blame it on George Bush, blame it on unpatriotic American consumers.. whatever the cause, it’s sad but it could happen.
“While I don’t dispute that there were INDIVIDUALS who took advantage of the situation, to assign them even 50% blame for the problem is insulting. Whenever there is a systematic collapse of ANY institution/organization the first place to look to lay blame is at the hands of those in control (the gatekeepers).”
I’m not sure the collapse is as monumental as you say, but it was pretty ugly, the problem looks like it’s correcting itself tho. Much of the problem was driven by speculators who expected to sell their homes for a profit, I’m not comfortable blaming that portion of the problem on the lenders. To the extent that the lenders played a part in this, yes I’d blame them, but to say that people can’t be responsible for themselves, and read contracts or get help from someone who can for something as significant as a home loan..
I guess I’d poke everyone involved with the sharp stick of blame, you want it to only land on the lenders. Maybe if you worked in the mortgage industry you’d feel differently.
I love Sarah Palin!
Can’t wait to vote!
You wouldn’t seriously consider voting for this woman just because of her stand on technology — would you?
TadDavis,
Just wondering, do you refer to male candidates as “this man?”
For other Democrats,
Asking if Palin can handle her job with 5 kids is sexist unless you routinely question if men with 5 children if they can handle theirs. I doubt you do.
I’m seeing a lot of Dems making a lot of sexist statements lately.
Of course, the feminists already proved that they will ignore such things as Clinton cheating on his wife with a teenage intern, but will they stand by and ignore blatant sexism?
Will the feminists defend Palin as they should?
Back from the weekend and had to read this thread. Yup my suspicions are confirmed….the world is staffed with retards (my apologies to the very few who aren’t).
There are two distinct “Problems” at play here.
Problem 1:
There are borrowers who find themselves upside down in thier mortgages and having to sell before the market comes back. That’s 100% thier fault for borrowing more than they could sustain paying off and not considering after many boom years that prices could go down. That’s 100% their fault as any buyer of real estate needs to consider if they are paying a fair price for what they’re purchasing and to realize that the huge leverage involved in a home purchase cuts both ways, for you when prices increase and against you if prices decline.
Problem 2:
There are banks who loaned money and those to whom those loans and derived securities were sold who are finding that the assets they own are not of the quality they thought they were. That’s 100% their fault as any buyer of financial instruments needs to decide if they’re paying a fair price for what they’re purchasing or properly screening applicants and charging a fair risk premium for any money they lend.
So to that end, every-one’s 100% responsible for the situation they find themselves in.
@ @ Hardy Har Har
I agree and have stated as much that there is plenty of blame that can fall on the shoulders of many individual borrowers. No doubt about it.
The problem I have is that there is NEVER acknowledgement/admissison from the talking heads that show up on Faux News (Fair and balanced? Yeah, right!) or CNN that represent the Republican party (or are Republican ‘strategists’) of the role lenders played in all of this. They continue to bash the individual borrower as the primary cause of this problem, refusing to offer relief to many borrowers who tried to do the right thing while wasting no time to offer American taxpayer money to bail out lenders they claims are ‘victims’ in all of this because of ‘unscrupulous borrowers’
Yes, there is blame on both sides, but listening to the Republicans you’d never know it.
@Twilightmoon
‘McLame, Far Wrong, RepubliCant… well at least your vitriol is served with a side order of humor.’
Well, guilty as charged (for being humorous that is!) I try not to personally attack individuals. It’s so much more fun poking at the political parties. Believe me, I could point out just as many boneheaded moves by the Dems but I don’t won’t to arm you Republicans any more so than you already arm yourselves
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‘I guess I’d poke everyone involved with the sharp stick of blame, you want it to only land on the lenders. Maybe if you worked in the mortgage industry you’d feel differently.’
I don’t work in the mortgage industry, this is true. I also don’t blame ONLY the lenders. I just want the Republicans to just stand up for the little guy every now and then in these David vs. Goliath battles instead of always siding with the guys with deeper pockets.
Everything is cool with you and me as far as I’m concerned. You’re alright in my book.
“McBush’s second stringer’s foreign policy experience is based solely upon her geographical proximity to Russia. That’s experience we can count on….NOT!”
Joe “I don’t have an Indian accent, so I can’t go to a 7-11” Biden’s FIRST stringer’s foreign policy experience is based on his pre-teen years spent in living abroad in Indonesia (yes, that hotbed of foreign policy activity). Now THERE’S experience we can (make) believe in!
Dems are panicking as they should be. They will lose.
“They continue to bash the individual borrower as the primary cause of this problem”
Well lenders are in the business of lending to people, assessing the riskiness of loans, and modelling how many will not pay them back and setting required down payments and interest rates appropriately.
Outside of deliberate fraudulent misrepresentation by a borrower, they can hardly blame borrowers if they screwed up in that process. And nor should taxpayers be bailing them out of a self created situation.
@Wade,
“Dems are panicking as they should be. They will lose.”
Dream on. I wouldn’t be surprised if Palin took herself out of the race before the end of the month.
Fact is, most Dems are delighted with McCain’s pick of Palin as VP candidate. It’s the Reps / Conservatives who are panicking, which is why everyone is “rallying around” Palin. It surely must suck to recognize that you can’t even practice your anti sex education / pro abstinence views effectively in your own home.
@Bryan:
Joe Biden is a long-time member and current chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and has worked on resolutions concerning the Yugoslav wars and Iraq War.
Hardy Har Har: “I don’t work in the mortgage industry, this is true. I also don’t blame ONLY the lenders. I just want the Republicans to just stand up for the little guy every now and then in these David vs. Goliath battles instead of always siding with the guys with deeper pockets.”
If you think I enthusiastically support everything the Republicans do, you’re not even close.
Would be closer to say I tolerate the Republican party and despise the Democrat party. You’re right that Repubs should stick up for the little guy more, they should do a lot of things more. Heck I’d start with them actually doing what they say they are going to do, acting on their professed beliefs, the ones in Washington don’t even do that.
There’s a lot of embarrassing things about the Republican party, but they don’t even come close to the frighteningly ignorant things I see coming from Democrats, just the way they are using a 17 year old pregnant teen as a political prop is an example.
No doubt if it was their own daughter they’d be screaming for decency and privacy. It’s the general dumbing down of manners in this country which is just sad. If I had a nickel for every time someone cut me off in traffic to get half a car length ahead, or let a door slam in my face because they couldn’t spare the 3 seconds it would have took to hold it open.. I’d be rich.
“The problem I have is that there is NEVER acknowledgement/admissison from the talking heads that show up on Faux News (Fair and balanced? Yeah, right!) or CNN “
I can’t let you get away with calling Fox News fake news and assume CNN isn’t just as bias a different way. All news outlets have some bias, but Fox is no worse than CNN, you just happen to agree with CNN’s bias. Which is fine, just be honest about it.
Further if you plan to be informed you have to listen to people you don’t necessarily agree with so you can get a broader view of issues.
“Outside of deliberate fraudulent misrepresentation by a borrower, they can hardly blame borrowers if they screwed up in that process. And nor should taxpayers be bailing them out of a self created situation.”
This is just silly. All lending is on some level based on trust. The lender gives the borrower money and trusts they will pay it back based on examining their ability to pay it back.
When you drive your car, don’t you trust other drivers will not try to smash into you?
Without some foundation of trust, much of our society falls apart.
Not Bryan: “Joe Biden is a long-time member and current chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and has worked on resolutions concerning the Yugoslav wars and Iraq War.”
There’s no question that Biden understands foreign policy. The problem is he’s just wrong.
Demorats are squirming with this pick for McCain’s VP. I love it. Watch all of the hypocrisy run rampant from here on out. Demorats are complete and utter lying, phonies. Pathetic.
@Twilight moon
Further if you plan to be informed you have to listen to people you don’t necessarily agree with so you can get a broader view of issues.
True, I tend to agree with the point of view as presented by CNN more often but I don’t give them a blanket pass and have acknowledged to my Republican associates when ‘CNN just blew it’. I recognize the fact that Fox has made CNN try to be more balanced in their views as late. But you fail to recognize that I obviously spend time watching Fox as well, otherwise I wouldn’t know what the ‘other side’ was saying and thinking. To truly ‘know your opposition/enemy’ you have to spend time ‘getting to know’ them
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It’s good to know that you aren’t a staunch supporter of your party in everything they do just as I’m not a stanch supporter of mine in everything they do.
gzero = liar or moron, take your pick.
gzero lied: It surely must suck to recognize that you can’t even practice your anti sex education / pro abstinence views effectively in your own home.
Time Magazine:
“Sarah Palin is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she’s a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization. In 2002, she wrote a letter to FFL stating that she had ‘adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion.'”
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837538,00.html
@twilightmoon
“The problem is he’s just wrong.”
You left out “in my opinion”.
Why can’t we see this is no longer about Democrats and Republicans? This is our chance to stand up and say enough is enough. Our government has lead us to the beginning of the fall of the American Empire. It’s our turn to stand up and say we’ve had it, let’s reclaim our government and take back what’s ours. Let’s make America the envy of the world again.
McCain, is a lifetime politician. He brings nothing new to the table. The old way does not work, we need a change. For the first time in my life, I donated to charity after receiving a text message from the Obama side asking me to do so. I have also volunteered for the first time in my life. We need to stand together. United we stand, divided we fall.
What else are you going to do when Obama’s side sends you an email????? Pretty pathetic that that’s what it took to get you to motivate but at least you did. I really don’t understand what your getting at with your post but it seems to be a vote for Osama Obama post. McCain is so much better than Obama in every way. There is no way Obama will win. Can’t wait for McCain victory.
Factchecker – can you point me to a SINGLE instance where “Feminists for Life” has actually done anything on the “pro-contraception” side? Basically all we know about this supposedly pro-contraception group is that one sentence in an article. But as far as we know all they have ever done is the standard picketing of Planned Parenthood. Talk is cheap, and if all you do is try to shut down services where abortions could be obtained, then you can’t really label yourself a “pro-contraception” group!
Not Bryan “You left out “in my opinion””
In my opinion, it’s a fact that Biden is wrong most of the time on foreign policy.
It’s a fact that he was wrong on the Surge in Iraq.
That any better?
Chris: “I donated to charity after receiving a text message from the Obama side asking me to do so. I have also volunteered for the first time in my life.”
You sound young and idealistic. I shudder to think what exposure to the cruelties of life will do to you.
I was once young and idealistic and liberal, too.
“That any better?”
Just barely. And I disagree with your opinion. Most of them actually.
Not Bryan: “Just barely. And I disagree with your opinion. Most of them actually.”
I welcome other opinions with respect, provided you respect me for having my own. Argue your opinions with honor and respect and you might even alter my point of view.
I’ve been subjected to endless political garbage on MDN boards over the years, most of it completely off topic. At least I try to confine mine to a political thread.
Just watch the Sarah Plain video:
http://tinyurl.com/5lobp8
Can’t wait to vote for McCain/Palin!
What’s the Mac connection? Here it is:
Mac introduced cut & paste which apparently many are using to transfer simple slogans from Rush’s & Hannity’s blogs to this one.
Is this 9-page feedback the record?
Ah . . . Sorry to bother you Mr. Obama, Sir
Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean Senator Obama, sir. Um . . . know you are busy and important and stuff. I mean running for president is very important and . . . ah . . . I hate to bother you. I will only take a minute ok, sir?
See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was wondering sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me out. You know, no big deal, just some loose ends and things.
Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all the time and says boy she wishes she had digs like this you know? Is that painting real? Really? Wow. I saw something like that in a museum once!
Oh, sorry sir. I didn’t mean to get off the track. So if you could just help me out a minute and give me some details, I will get right out of your way. I want to close this case and maybe take the wife to Coney Island or something. Ever been to Coney Island ? No, I didn’t think so. . .
Well, listen, anyways, I can’t seem to get some information I need to wrap this up. These things seem to either be “locked” or “not available’. I’m sure itâb™s just some oversight or glitch or something, so if you could you tell me where these things are . . . I . . . I . . . have them written down here somewhere . . oh wait. Sorry about the smears. It was raining out. I’ll just read it to you.
Could you help me please find these things, sir?
• Your Occidental College records
• Your Columbia College records
• Your Columbia Thesis paper
• Your Harvard College records
• Your Selective Service Registration
• Your medical records
• Your Illinois State Senate records
• Your Illinois State Senate schedule
• Your Law practice client list
• A Certified Copy of your original Birth certificate
• Your embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth
• Your Harvard Law Review articles that were published
• Your University of Chicago scholarly articles
• Your Record of baptism
Oh hey . . . listen! I know you are busy! Is this too much for you now? I mean tell you what. I will come back tomorrow. Give you some time to get these things together, you know? I mean, I know you are busy, so I will just let myself out. I will be back tomorrow. And the day after. .
Great points Columbo!!! McCain has my vote!
Actually, I enjoy the exchange that I have read here. Debate is healthy, it is good to challenge each other’s point of view. However, what is worrisome is the weakness of argument from many posters. In fact it is down right scary to know some people who have posted here will cast a vote. Right or Left, I would plead that a voter really consider the differences between all the parties (there are more then the “Big Two”) before casting a vote based only what they may have heard on T.V. or radio.
My buddy Columbo with his fake eye is having a hard time seeing things for what they are. I’d like to bring some insight to this discussion…so I too have my own list of questions for Mrs. Palin….
Do you believe in evolution ?
Do you believe that god created all the animals in one day?
Did man walk among the dinosaurs ?
Did Eve really eat that apple?
Is Alaska really the last haven for the children of God when the end time approaches?
How is the abstinence education curriculum working for your family?
Are polar bears really endangered?
Is our current global warming trend due to a natural climatic cycle?
Do you are do you not support the Bridge to Nowhere?
What does it take to win a Miss Congeniality award?
How many countries have you traveled too? Being close to Russia doesn’t count.
Do hockey moms drive vans too?
Does your new energy plan include drilling and dogsled transportation?
Was the BA in Journalism Curriculum at the U of Idaho challenging?
Did you ever thank the Alaska Democratic Legislation for their work on ethics and oil tax revision?
How is Ted Stevens?
What does the VPOTUS do?
Opps…gotta run. Higgins is kicking me off of the computer.
I look forward to hearing your answers…
Aloha
Al Gore’s Democratic VP candidate in 2000, Joe Lieberman, just endorsed McCain/Palin at the Republican National Convention.
I can’t wait to see 2008’s VP loser, Joe Biden, standing at the RNC podium eight years from now endorsing Palin for President.
“Nice speech, Joe.
And I wasn’t playin’ when I got all misty….”
Sen. Joe Lieberman, Al Gore’s Democratic vice presidential pick in 2000, on Tuesday criticized his former party’s nominee as an untested candidate unwilling to challenge powerful interest groups at the Republican National Convention this evening.
Lieberman said:
Thank you for that warm welcome. I am honored to be here.
We meet tonight in the wake of a terrible storm that has hit the Gulf Coast but that hurts all of us, because we are all members of our larger American family.
At times like this, we set aside all that divides us, and we come together to help our fellow citizens in need.
What matters is certainly not whether we are Democrats or Republicans, but that we are all Americans.
The truth is, it shouldn’t take a hurricane to bring us together like this.
Every day, across our country, millions of our fellow citizens are facing huge problems.
They are worried about their homes, their jobs, and their businesses; they are worried about the outrageous cost of gas and of health insurance; and they are worried about the threats from our enemies abroad.
But when they look to Washington, all too often they do not see their leaders coming together to tackle these problems.
Instead they see Democrats and Republicans fighting each other, rather than fighting for the American people.
Our Founding Fathers foresaw the danger of this kind of senseless partisanship. George Washington himself — in his farewell address to our country — warned that the “spirit of party” is “the worst enemy” of our democracy and “enfeebles” our government’s ability to do its job.
George Washington was absolutely right. The sad truth is — today we are living through his worst nightmare, in the capital city that bears his name.
And that brings me directly to why I am here tonight. What, after all, is a Democrat like me doing at a Republican convention like this?
The answer is simple.
I’m here to support John McCain because country matters more than party.
I’m here tonight because John McCain is the best choice to bring our country together and lead our country forward.
I’m here because John McCain’s whole life testifies to a great truth: being a Democrat or a Republican is important.
But it is not more important than being an American.
Both presidential candidates this year talk about changing the culture of Washington, about breaking through the partisan gridlock and special interests that are poisoning our politics.
But only one of them has actually done it.
Only one leader has shown the courage and the capability to rise above the smallness of our politics to get big things done for our country and our people.
And that leader is John McCain.
John understands that it shouldn’t take a natural disaster like Hurricane Gustav to get us to take off our partisan blinders and work together to get things done.
It shouldn’t take a natural disaster to teach us that the American people don’t care much if you have an “R” or a “D” after your name.
What they care about is, are we solving the problems they are up against every day?
What you can expect from John McCain as president is precisely what he has done this week: which is to put country first. That is the code by which he has lived his entire life, and that is the code he will carry with him into the White House.
I have personally seen John, over and over again, bring people together from both parties to tackle our toughest problems we face —to reform our campaign finance, lobbying and ethics laws, to create the 9/11 Commission and pass its critical national security reforms, and to end the partisan paralysis over judicial confirmations.
My Democratic friends know all about John’s record of independence and accomplishment.
Maybe that’s why some of them are spending so much time and so much money trying to convince voters that John McCain is someone else.
(continued)
Lieberman’s remarks continued:
I’m here, as a Democrat myself, to tell you: Don’t be fooled.
God only made one John McCain, and he is his own man.
If John McCain was just another go-along partisan politician, he never would have taken on corrupt Republican lobbyists, or big corporations that were cheating the American people, or powerful colleagues in Congress who were wasting taxpayer money.
But he did.
If John McCain was just another go-along partisan politician, he never would have led the fight to fix our broken immigration system or to do something about global warming.
But he did.
As a matter of fact, if John McCain is just another partisan Republican, then I’m Michael Moore’s favorite Democrat.
And I’m not.
Sen. Obama is a gifted and eloquent young man who can do great things for our country in the years ahead. But eloquence is no substitute for a record — not in these tough times.
In the Senate he has not reached across party lines to get anything significant done, nor has he been willing to take on powerful interest groups in the Democratic Party.
Contrast that to John McCain’s record, or the record of the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who stood up to some of those same Democratic interest groups and worked with Republicans to get important things done like welfare reform, free-trade agreements, and a balanced budget.
Gov. Sarah Palin, like John McCain, is a reformer who has taken on the special interests and reached across party lines. She is a leader we can count on to help John shake up Washington.
That’s why the McCain-Palin ticket is the real ticket for change this year.
The Washington bureaucrats and power brokers can’t build a pen strong enough to hold these two mavericks.
And together, you can count on John McCain and Sarah Palin to fight for America and to fight for you! And that’s what our country needs most right now.
What we need most is not more party unity in America but more national unity.
Especially at a time of war, we need a president we can count on to fight for what’s right for our country — not only when it is easy, but when it is hard.
When others were silent, John McCain had the judgment to sound the alarm about the mistakes we were making in Iraq. When others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, when Barack Obama was voting to cut off funding for our troops on the ground, John McCain had the courage to stand against the tide of public opinion and support the surge, and because of that, today, our troops are at last beginning to come home, not in failure, but in honor.
Before I conclude, I ask the indulgence of those in this hall tonight, as I want to speak directly to my fellow Democrats and independents who are watching.
I know many of you are angry and frustrated by our government and our politics and for good reason.
You may be thinking of voting for John McCain, but you’re not sure. Some of you have never voted for a Republican before and in an ordinary election, you probably wouldn’t.
But this is no ordinary election, because these are not ordinary times, and John McCain is no ordinary candidate. You may not agree with John McCain on every issue.
But you can always count on him to be straight with you about where he stands, and to stand for what he thinks is right regardless of politics.
As president, you can count on John McCain to be a restless reformer, who will clean up Washington and get our government working again for you.
So tonight, I ask you whether you are an independent, a Reagan Democrat or a Clinton Democrat, or just a Democrat: This year, when you vote for president, vote for the person you believe is best for the country, not for the party you happen to belong to.
Vote for the leader who, since the age of 17, when he raised his hand and took an oath to defend and protect our Constitution, has always put our country first.
So, let’s come together to make a great American patriot our next great president.
Dialtone: “What’s the Mac connection? Here it is:
Mac introduced cut & paste which apparently many are using to transfer simple slogans from Rush’s & Hannity’s blogs to this one.”
Cut and Paste existed before the Mac, it was just application specific.
Typical of a lazy liberal who doesn’t want to argue on the issues, discount, pigeon-hole and marginalize conservatives or worse, anyone who is not liberal or conservative, just call them a neo-con if they have even a couple of conservative views on anything.
Liberalism: its the new McCarthyism.
Conservatism: it’s the same old McCarthyism.
Seriously, Paula, do you know what you are talking about?
There’s definitely ignorant conservatives, no question, but its the *Main stream* liberalism which is fascist and biggoted, and afraid to debate topics on their merit.
Look at how Sarah Palin’s family has been savagely attacked because she’s a woman. Seriously, has anyone asked if Obama can be president with young children?
In the span of only a few days, the same media which has ignored Obama’s past associations with former terrorists, communists, radical American hating biggots, has turned a 17 year old pregnant girl into a political prop savagely attacked her, Sarah’s brother and sister, her husband.. Her entire family is being burned at the stake.
No, sorry, there’s no comparison here. Conservatism is nowhere near that vicious, certainly not at the mainstream level.
Liberalism is far more vicious and personal than McCarthyism ever was.
Andrea Mitchell “Only Hillary’s Uneducated Voters will Vote for Sarah Palin”
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/08/31/nbcs-andrea-mitchell-only-hillarys-uneducated-voters-will-vote-s
This is exactly the kind of mean spirited vitriol that permeates the *main stream* of liberalism.
Here are the choices:
Democrats have a black/muslim guy with no experience who attended a racist church against whites and has the MOST liberal voting record in the senate. He claimed change, then picked the same old career politician who is a white male.
Republicans have McCain, who is the most experienced, fiscally responsible, and a war hero. He picked a female VP who is pro-life, pro guns, a political outsider and a fiscal conservative.
Pathetic try Magnum. Columbo nailed it!
Magnum PI
1 Do you believe in evolution ?
Cue Christian bashing…
2 Do you believe that god created all the animals in one day?
….more bashing
3 Did man walk among the dinosaurs ?
…yet more bashing..
4 Did Eve really eat that apple?
…nice, keep it up!
5 Is Alaska really the last haven for the children of God when the end time approaches?
…Ooo, now we’re bashing both Christians AND Alaskans.. two for one special.
6 How is the abstinence education curriculum working for your family?
…fantastic! You managed to be a jerk, pick on women, and a 17 year old non-candidate in same breath! You going to pick on the father too? Or are you just a hypocritical mean spirited misogynistic ass?
7 Are polar bears really endangered?
…Nope.
8 Is our current global warming trend due to a natural climatic cycle?
…Get back to you on that one, debate is still raging over this. By the way were you aware, Mr. Global Warming Expert™ that we had the first significant period of no sunspot activity recently? This is likely to have some impact on the Earth’s climate.
9 Do you are do you not support the Bridge to Nowhere?
…”The Alaskan state government cancelled the project in September 2007.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge
10 What does it take to win a Miss Congeniality award?
…More misogyny
11 How many countries have you traveled too? Being close to Russia doesn’t count.
…”she visited members of the Alaska National Guard” in Kuwait. She also traveled to Germany to visit wounded soldiers.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
12 Do hockey moms drive vans too?
…Do you still beat your wife sir? Heck, have you ever kissed a girl?
13 Does your new energy plan include drilling and dogsled transportation?
…Do you drive a car? Does it use gasoline? Just asking…
14 Was the BA in Journalism Curriculum at the U of Idaho challenging?
…translation: “Are you just another stupid bimbo?”
15 Did you ever thank the Alaska Democratic Legislation for their work on ethics and oil tax revision?
…Here’s a list of Sarah Palin’s Energy and Oil related activities, statements, and efforts:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_Palin_Energy_+_Oil.htm
16 How is Ted Stevens?
…How is this relevant to Sarah Palin exactly?
17 What does the VPOTUS do?
…Out of 17 “questions” this is perhaps your only relevant one. Here’s a link to an interview when she was asked this question:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-july-2008-i-dont-even-know-what-the-vice-president-does/
—
So lets see, 17 questions, 16 of which involved cheap shots on on Christians(5), Personal attacks on non candidate family members(1), Alaska(2), vitriolic misogyny(4), and numerous cases of easily answered questions via internet search.
For starters, stop bashing on women, second, stop bashing on Christians, third leave a candidate’s family out of the discussion of their qualifications.
After you do that, learn how to do an internet search.
Finally, pull your head out of your ass.
Cheers.
Link on the no sunspot activity:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080609124551.htm
To twilightmoon: you certainly win a prize for energy (and apparently for having a LOT of free time)! I would only point out to you (and others) that not all Christians accept creationism as a valid account of life on earth. So to attack someone’s belief in creationism is not necessarily to attack Christianity.
I would come back as well to the original news item that sparked this debate. It seemed to be endorsing Palin for election because, among other things, she uses a Blackberry. It may be heresy in this group to suggest this, but there are more important issues facing the Republic at the moment than someone’s attitude toward personal computer technology. Has anyone noticed, for example, that the Cold War is starting to re-ignite?
To the “Osama/Obama” poster (I don’t remember whose quip that was): you should be ashamed of yourself.
to whoever it was a couple of pages back:
Tip O’Neill would disagree with you about Republicans controlling the House during the 80’s.
I gather from the comments on this page that the “failure” of abstinence-only education in Sarah Palin’s family indicates that it should be dropped in general.
Do you really want to view one failure as an indictment against the whole program? Do you really want to open up that argument?
One failure? maybe not. But a consistent, statistical pattern of failure? Definitely. And that’s what we have. Look at the statistics. Abstinence only has failed everywhere it is tried. The most Bible-thumping red states that LUUUUV abstinence only consistently have the highest teen pregnancy rates.
Meanwhile, bluer states, not to mention Europe which has sexually active teens but which approaches sex ed and contraception with some modicum of reason, has lower preganancy rates.
Facts.
Deal with them.
@failure of abstinence only
I think that teaching abstinence only does a severe disservice to our children. Teaching abstinence as part of a comprehensive health program is certainly warranted. When you provide no additional information you are putting your children at risk of STD’s and unwanted pregnancy. Sexual behavior is part of who we are, let’s get over this puritan BS.
“Has anyone noticed, for example, that the Cold War is starting to re-ignite?”
Don’t worry Tad. Obama will have all nations singing kum-ba-ya and living in peace by Christmas.
“Has anyone noticed, for example, that the Cold War is starting to re-ignite?”
Don’t worry Tad. McCain will use Bush’s strategy and bomb them into submission.
“My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” – Ronald Reagan
“Sexual behavior is part of who we are, let’s get over this puritan BS.”
Fundamentalist churches need to start offering a 2 for 1 deal on Sin. If you’re going to commit the sin of Fornication, you should be allowed to throw in the sin of Contraception for free.
Hahaha! That is pure win, Blue Light!
Funny, and at the same time kind of revives the old Catholic doctrine of “indulgences” (except this time instead of paying cash up front, it’s kind a boinking twofer!)
And it’s uncanny how sometimes the security word is related to the post… considering that the selling of Indulgences kicked off the Protestant Reformation in Europe, that’s my security word!
TadDavis: “To twilightmoon: you certainly win a prize for energy (and apparently for having a LOT of free time)! I would only point out to you (and others) that not all Christians accept creationism as a valid account of life on earth. So to attack someone’s belief in creationism is not necessarily to attack Christianity.”
I type fast, and I mutli task. I do a lot of work on my computer so I’m already online in front of my computer a lot.
Attacking creationism is attacking Christianity even if some Christians do not believe in it.
Would you make the same argument if I attacked Muslims for traveling to Mecca if I was able to point out some Muslims who don’t make that journey?
Rheinhard “And it’s uncanny how sometimes the security word is related to the post… “
Register already! It’s for your protection so people don’t spoof your name and make bogus posts pretending to be you. It’s for your own protection.
Question, are there any liberals here that are offended by the sexist nature of the questions about Sarah Palin?
“How can she be a VP with 5 kids?”
No one asks if Biden can be a VP with kids, with the mom dead. No one asks if Obama can be President with kids and a working wife.
“Only uneducated women will vote for Sarah Palin”
Only uneducated blacks will vote for Obama… see how offensive that is?
Do you have to be anti-liberal to be offended by this bullshit? I consider myself more anti-liberal than conservative, tho I’ll happily accept the label neocon or conservative if if keeps me far away from being called a liberal.
Intrade, the political futures market, was offering gamblers convinced that Palin will withdraw 8.3-to-1 odds: that anyone betting $12 dollars that Palin would be off the ticket before November 4 would get $100 back if they were proved right.
@twilghtmoon
“Attacking creationism is attacking Christianity even if some Christians do not believe in it.”
That is complete BS. Most Christians that I know don’t believe that the earth is only 4000 years old and that human beings were around when the dinosaurs walked the earth. You have cited scientific articles in your posts, surely you can’t believe this tripe.
-twilightmoon,
How much time do you have on your hands? You’ll take a bite on any comment, hook line and sinker. You are a troll’s wet dream.
BTW, the haven in Alaska question comes from the fact that minister of the pentecostal church that helped shape Palin’s views of the world believes that during the last days, Alaska will be a safe haven for the children of God…this was not a generalized statement. They also believe that Palin’s selection as Govenor and now POTUS running mate was an act of God. That’s just the tip of the iceberg with regards to the extreme evangelicals that have helped shape Palin’s world view.
To answer some of your questions directed towards me:
I am a philoginistic ass.
I only beat my wife during sex. If my wife counts as a girl, then the answer is yes.
Girls don’t kiss guys without cars…dipshit.
Who is Ted Stevens?….misinformed dipshit.
You don’t know anything about me, but based on your multiple posts, you sir (and I use the term lightly) are a zealous, passive aggressive, self righteous, patronizing, know it all
Get off of your soapbox. Stop taking things so personally. . You’re embarrassing yourself. Please enjoy wasting your life trying to convince others of your intellectually superior debating prowess. P*ssywhipped dipshit..
I’m off like Bristol Palin’s prom dress. Aloha (with theme song music bed playing in the background)
Remember John Belushi in the SNL horror spoof sketch, “The Thing That Wouldn’t Leave”?
Welcome to “The Thread That Will Not Die!”
MUHAHAHAHAHAH ! ! ! <cue Jane Curtin screaming>
Magnum is a liberal – commie – dirt ball.
Looking forward to Palin’s speech tonight. Anyone else here planning to watch it?
I doubt many of the people read will bother to tune into Palin’s speech, most already have decided what to think of her, and really don’t want any facts to mess up their opinions.
“but based on your multiple posts, you sir (and I use the term lightly) are a zealous, passive aggressive, self righteous, patronizing, know it all”
wow, looking in the mirror when you can up with that..??
@flash – What would cause you to anticipate facts during her speech? It’s just another Republican with a microphone and an agenda. Just as McCain of 2000 is not McCain of 2008, she will say what ever she thinks will result in the most votes.
Let the press finish their job, report some facts and then we’ll be able to figure out if we’ll fall for this distraction. I think war, energy, health care and the economy are much more salient topics than any of the current frenzy.
This started as a discussion of her perceived position on tech issues. It’s clear she puts personal belief above science. I think that is the end of the story.
you are commie scum!
Just switched from watching Giuliani speak to watching bull riding. At least bulls only crap from one end. After watching Huckabee shame himself bearing false witness, I just got tired of it.
Why do they feel it necessary to keep chanting “USA, USA”?
Are they insecure?
Are we in competition with some other country here, at the Rep. conv.?
Hey, the old man just tottered out onstage!
Man the republicans sure get all jacked up over nothin’, don’t they?
There they go again. “USA USA USA”.
?
Good speech. Very good.
Always Right: “Man the republicans sure get all jacked up over nothin’, don’t they?”
Yikes, do you ever have fun doing anything that doesn’t involve negativity?
Cheer up a little.
And it’s ok to be proud of your country, you have my permission.
lurker: “Just switched from watching Giuliani speak to watching bull riding. At least bulls only crap from one end. After watching Huckabee shame himself bearing false witness, I just got tired of it.”
I’ll definitely give you points for trying. I hope you do watch her speech tho, very well delivered speech. Maybe hard for a liberal to watch, so I’ll understand if you are not up to it.
It’s over. The Republicans win. Again.
Sarah Palin is simply a phenom.
It was actually funny to flip around the channels afterwards and hear the “she was too smug and sarcastic” Democrat talking points being immediately spewed from the fscking MSNBC, CBS, NBC, etc. Lib reporters and Democrat operatives.
The Libs just got fscked up the ass hard. Many of them like that, I hear.
The U.S. is 51% women. Many of whom are mothers for whom safety outweighs “choice” or whatever they think they’re supposed to believe in. Many of them will flock to McCain/Palin.
Let’s call them “Obama to Mac Switchers,” okay?
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Only 12.4% of the total population is black and some of them are even women who will identify, too.
Barring any massive gaffes, mathematically, it’s over.
Rudy Giuliani: “How dare they ask if Sarah Palin has the time to run for Vice President and look after her children! When do they ask a man the same question? When??”
pwnd.
“Barring any massive gaffes, mathematically, it’s over.”
This is just getting started, she did a great speech but it was to a cheering crowd of rabid supporters.
The real test will be on October 2nd when she faces Dem VP candidate Biden. I suspect that will be the most heavily watched VP debate in US history, and the first VP debate with a chance to swing the election.
Always Right…
“Clarice, your problem is you need to get more fun out of life.”
Obama’s limping around today now that Palin has his balls in a jar.
She absolutely nailed the fact that even she with her modest experience is better qualified than Obama for the top job.
Good stuff
“Man the republicans sure get all jacked up over nothin’, don’t they?”
Yeah, speaking of NOTHING, isn’t something to watch dems get excited about a nothing ever accomplished B.H. Obama?
Rudy Giuliani used great humor to take a few gentle jabs at Obama. Perhaps he should have tried a bit more of that early in the Republican primary.
Only 12.4% of the total population is black….”
Yes, but it is a locked up 12.4%. A black voter will likely vote for another black no matter if a poor a leader, no matter if they would represent their views, no matter what.
exact – so let me get this straight.
Your demeaning and racist fantasy: all black Americans will always vote for a black candidate regardless of any other qualifications, even if he or she is a poor leader and wouldn’t represent their views and that’s BAD.
Your equally silly fantasy: all former Hillary voters will vote for right-wing God-bot Sarah Palin, despite being diametrically opposed to all her policies, because she also has a hoo-hah = GOOD.
I really am looking forward to hollow Repubican husk drying up and blowing away after November…
After watching her last night, Sarah Palin makes me ashamed to be Republican and an American. I am now voting for Obama. This will be the first time I’ve voted for a Democrat in my 35 years of voting. We should all be ashamed.
exact is a liberal democrat. Always Wrong is a scum bag, totally clueless scum bag. Lurker is disgusting. You freaks will be totally defeated again and it will be fun knowing it will make you creeps squirm.
Peter,
You are full of shit you lifelong liberal democrat. No one is buying your BS post. Up yours tool.
4 more years of Republican rule. I LOVE IT!!!!!! There is nothing wrong with being very proud of your country you liberal idiots.
Congratulations to exact for the most racist post of this thread.
It’s exactly what’s expected from right wing fascists.
You’re in good company with many other posters here.
2008 Democrat National Convention
Schedule of Events
7:00 pm OPENING FLAG BURNING
7:15 pm PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.N.
7:20 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
7:25 pm NONRELIGIOUS PRAYER AND WORSHIP – Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton
7:45 pm CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING – Darryl Hannah
7:55 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
8:00 pm HOW I INVENTED THE INTERNET – Al Gore
8:15 pm GAY WEDDING PLANNING – Rosie O’Donnell
8:35 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
8:40 pm OUR TROOPS ARE WAR CRIMINALS – John Kerry
9.00 pm MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM AND HIS SONS – Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
10:00 pm ANSWERING MACHINE ETIQUETTE – Alec Baldwin
11:00 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
11:05 pm COLLECTION FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FUND – Barbara Str eisand
11:15 pm FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY – Sean Penn
11:30 pm OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS – William Jefferson Clinton
11:45 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
11:50 pm HOW GEORGE BUSH BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS – Howard Dean
12:15 am TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD – Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore
12:25 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
12:30 am SATELLITE ADDRESS – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
12:45 am NOMINATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA – Nancy Pelosi
1:00 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
1:05 am CORONATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
1:30 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home
exact is a liberal if you look back at his earlier posts. get your act together. liberals are the most racist group out there. conservatives actually care about everyone.
why were you you ashamed? 35 years of not voting Democrat and you now decide to vote for zerObama? You sound like a seminar caller.
MW: “party” hack
Great post Eddie. It would be funny if it wasn’t so true.
Liberalism is a terrible, terrible, disease.
Yes, my right wing apprentices! I can feel your anger. It gives you focus, makes you stronger. Your hate has made you powerful. You have done well.
agreed. exact is a liberal and was trying to be positive (for the Democrats) in talking about zerObama locking up the black vote.
Subject: The post turtle analogy
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was
caught in a gate while working cattle, the city doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.
Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.
The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is just an ole ‘post turtle’.
Not being familiar with the term, the city doc asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.
The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come
across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.’
The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued…
‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there,
he doesn’t know what to do up there, and you have to wonder what kind
of a dumb ass put him up there!
Why do people continue to support this racist man
Think you know who this man is?
This possible President of the United States!! Read Below and
ask yourselves, is this REALLY someone we can see as the
President of our great nation!!!!
Below are a few lines from Obama’s books; In his words!
From Dreams of My Father: ‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’
From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’
And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’
* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the time to Do so!!!! We CANNOT have someone with this type of mentality running our nation!! I don’t care whether you a Democrat or a Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this type of character in a President. PLEASE help spread the word.
And just as DS would speak truth but twist it, you’re directing your comments at the wrong group. It is the liberals who are so full of hate and anger. Just compare the two conventions. Which was full of boiling hate and anger? Which was full of energy and excitement? (answers: 1. Democrat Convention; 2. Republican Convention)
Speaks for itself….
Idiot Quote of the Century
” My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world ! I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it. ”
Barack Obama
why were you you ashamed? 35 years of not voting Democrat and you now decide to vote for zerObama? You sound like a seminar caller.
MW: “party” hack
Are we all blind? Every speech last night lacked substance and completely ignored the last 8 years. It was one of the most hateful nights of TV I’ve seen in awhile. It makes me want to go bomb some more countries, just to get some anger out.
The Obama “experience problem” is not his lack of it, it’s the American public’s lack of experience with him. Who really knows who the guy is or what he believes in?
There is an old adage that you never talk religion and politics. I think that
if you don’t talk religion and politics, your ability to do so may be taken
away. I am not an avid McCain supporter but I am definitely not and BO
supporter. The next election could change the course of world history. It is
that important.
I am sending this to friends–I do not know all our your political leanings,
so no offense is intended. Some I know I will never sway but I must try. You
know who you are!
Obama’s ‘Not Exactly’s’
1.) Selma got me born…
NOT EXACTLY: your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had
no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
(Google <http://www.google.com> ‘Obama Selma’ for his full March 4, 2007
speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) My Father Was A Goat Herder . .
NOT EXACTLY: he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work
with the Kenyan Government.
3.) My Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter . . .
NOT EXACTLY: he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments
Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom . . .
NOT EXACTLY: your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in
attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the
first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American
but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your
half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga’s follower. You interrupted your New
Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the
following link for verification of that and for more.
Obama’s cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia
Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers
burned Christians’ homes as well as men, women and children alive in a
Christian church where they took refuge. Obama supported his cousin before
the election process here started. (Google ‘Obama and Odinga’)
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian . . .
NOT EXACTLY: she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM according to her own
interviews. Christianity would not have supported her being one of 14 wives
to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili . . .
NOT EXACTLY: your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means
‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first
Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein
Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side, and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25%
African Negro from his father’s side.
While Barack Hussein Obama’s father was from Kenya, his father’s family were
mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama’s father was only 12.5% African Negro
and 87.5% Arab (his father’s birth certificate states he’s Arab, not African
Negro). From….and for more….go to…..
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-America
n,_only_6.25%_African
7.) I Never Practiced Islam . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as
a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years — until you changed the year
before running for public office.
4-3-08 Article ‘Obama was ‘quite religious in Islam”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in
Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: ‘Mr. Obama
recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a
first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll
give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as
‘one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.’ This is just one example
of what Pamela is talking about when she says ‘Obama’s narrative is being
altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.’
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian . . .
NOT EXACTLY: not one former teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I lived In Indonesia, I have more foreign experience . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and could not speak
the language.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs . . .
NOT EXACTLY: except for Africa and the Middle East, you have never been
anywhere else on the planet and have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no
mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify. Your classmates
said you were just fine.
13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office . . .
NOT EXACTLY: Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It
doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life .
NOT EXACTLY: Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It
doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ’08 . . .
NOT EXACTLY: here you are, despite saying live on TV that you would not have
enough experience by then — and you are all about ‘having experience first
‘.
16.) Voting ‘Present’ is Common In Illinois Senate . . .
NOT EXACTLY: common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) I Was A Professor Of Law . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
18.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
20.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass . . .
NOT EXACTLY: it took just 14 days from start to finish.
21.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill . . .
NOT EXACTLY: your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and
lack of all regulation — mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from
which David Axelrod came.
22.) I Have Released My State Records . .
NOT EXACTLY: as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have
yet to be released, including all the special interests pork hidden within.
23.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld
Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself in your books.
24.) My Economics Bill Will Help America . .
NOT EXACTLY: your 111 economic policies were combined into a proposal which
lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
25.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois . .
NOT EXACTLY: even your own supporters characterize your actions as careful
rather than bold.
26.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year . . .
NOT EXACTLY: they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you after their
creation by a fellow Senator, ‘to assist you in a future bid for higher
office’.
27.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA . . .
NOT EXACTLY: the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the
conversation your campaign had with them.
28.) I Am Tough On Terrorism . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good
friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.
29.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write.
30.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against
you.
31.) I Don’t Take PAC Money . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you take loads of it.
32.) I don’t Have Lobbyists . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you have 47 lobbyists on staff, and counting.
33.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad . . .
NOT EXACTLY: your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple
<http://www.apple.com> in one afternoon.
34.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq . .
NOT EXACTLY: you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to
fund it every single time.
You have a serious screw loose! Amigo.
To @Darth Sidious:
You obviously haven’t read many of the posts here.
According to Snopes.com, Princeton was requested to put a ‘restriction’
on distribution of any copies of the thesis of Michelle Obama (a/k/a/ Michelle laVaughn
Robinson) saying it could not be made available until November 5, 2008 but when it was published on a political website they decided they would lift the restriction.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp
Subj: Thesis – Michele Obama aka Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
OBAMA’S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED
In her senior thesis at Princeton , Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama
stated that America was a nation founded on ‘crime and hatred’.
Moreover, she stated that whites in America were ‘ineradicably racist’. The
1985 thesis, titled ‘Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community’ was
written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.
Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to ‘Whites at Princeton , it often
seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first…’ However, it was reported
by a fellow black classmate, ‘If those ‘Whites at Princeton ‘ really saw Michelle
as one who always would ‘be Black first,’ it seems that she gave them that
impression’.
Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms ‘separationist’ and
‘integrationist’ when describing the views of black people.
Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a ‘separationist’ view of race.
‘By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as
a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation
of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an
integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.’
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to
her ‘further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure
that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full
participant.’
Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but
she elevates black over white in her world.
Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:
‘There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black
community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize
all of my present and future resources to benefit the black
community first and foremost.’
What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she’s first
lady that will elevate black over white in America ?
The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action
policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.
‘Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically
designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of
their enrollments.’
The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.
Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni concludes that other black students
at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than
celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common
American culture more than they value the color of their skin. ‘I hoped that
these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of
identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational
path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a
certain level of identification with the black community. However, these
findings do not support this possibility.’
Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire?
Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.
Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see
Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted
with one another.
The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama’s thoughts and
world view seen through a race-based prism. This is a very
divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold
damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama
administration.
Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all
Americans pause for deep concern.
Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to
grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously
racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.
PS: We paid for her scholarship.
Now, we are making this about race. This is disgusting
Excellent! More hatred. More! More! Feel the Dark Side entering your soul!
Is it true that McCain’s Social Security number is 4?
Some have mentioned how she fought the wastefull bridge project.
LOL RETARDS
She was for it before she was against it
The Democrats with Ossama Obama at the helm have been making this about race all along. Look at Obama’s own quotes from his own books. Maybe you were targeting Democrats with your last post Peter. Because is sure isn’t Republicans making it an issue.
I’ve read ever post in this thread. And I watched the Dem Conv and am watching the Rep Conv.
Please share with others who can make a difference.
Subject: TAXES — V E R Y I M P O R T A N T ! !
INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
Spread the word…..
This is something you should be
aware of so you don’t get blind-sided.
This is really going to catch a lot
of families off guard. It should
make you worry.
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000
per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing
home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your
home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you
make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the
elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6%
How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock
market, IRA, mutual funds,
college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays
or reinvests dividends, you will now
be paying nearly 4 0% of the money
earned on taxes if Obama become president.
The experts predict that ‘higher
tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market yet
do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K – tax $4,500
Single making 50K – tax $12,500
Single making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 125K – tax $31,250
OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K – tax $8,400
Single making 50K – tax $14,000
Single making 75K – tax $23,250
Married making 60K – tax $16,800
Married making 75K – tax $21,000
Married making 125K – tax $38,750
Under Obama your taxes will
more than double!
How does this affect you? No explanation
needed. This is pretty
straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX</ SPAN>
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families
have lost businesses,
farms and ranches, and homes
that have
been in their families
for generations because they could not
afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved
ones will not only lose them to< BR>these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on
homes that are more than
2400 square feet
* New gasoline taxes (as if
gas weren’t high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resources
consumption (heating
gas, water, electricity)
* New taxes on retirement accounts
and last but not least….
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
so we can receive the same
level of medical care as other
third-world countries!!!
My fellow Americans:
As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor’s relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush’s youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
I would also like to thank the Kennedy’s for coming out in support of me. There’s a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the V ietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a female employee with whom he was having an extra marital affair and who was pregnant with his child. And I’m not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.
And I’d like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.
Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement, but because I make people feel good.
Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.I say things that sound meaningful, but don’t really mean anything becauseAmericans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them.
Americans are tired of thinking.It’s time to shut down the brain and open up the heart.So when you go to vote, remember don’t think, just do.And do it for me.
Thank You.
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
How’s this for a gunshot survivor… Linda Burnett , 23, a resident of San Diego , was visiting her in-laws and while there went to a nearby supermarket to pick up some groceries. Several people noticed her sitting in her car with the windows rolled up and with her eyes closed, with both hands behind the back of her head. One customer who had been at the store for a while became concerned and walked over to the car. He noticed that Linda’s eyes were now open, and she looked very strange. He asked her if she was okay, and Linda replied that she had been shot in the back of the head, and had been holding her brains in for over an hour. The man called the paramedics, who b roke into the car because the doors were locked and Linda refused to remove her hands from her head. When they finally got in, they found that Linda had a wad of bread dough on the back of her head. A Pillsbury biscuit canister had exploded from the heat, making a loud noise that sounded like a gunshot, and the wad of dough hit her in the back of her head. When she reached back to find out what it was, she felt the dough and thought it was her brains. She initially passed out, but quickly recovered. Linda is a blonde and a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that could be irrelevant.
DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?
HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA . WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.
HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS . WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?
HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WENT BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WAS HIS FATHER WEALTHY?
HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .
WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE WITH HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL. HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY . HOW? WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?
HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALT HY FUNDRAISER. HOW?
HE ‘WORKED’ AS A CI VIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . HE HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED AND/OR TAYPAYER SUPPORTED.
THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES; ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON’T CUT IT.
HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.
HE IS PROUD OF HIS ‘AFRICAN HERITAGE’ (A FATHER WHO GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).
WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS ‘WHITE HERITAGE’? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).
SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY.
HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN ‘AFRO-CENTRIC’ CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD’S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREAT ING THE AIDs VIRUS IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).
HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA .
HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ? YEAH RIGHT!!
DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE HE HAS MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD OUT OF THE ONE HUNDRED MEMBERS.
HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES. HE HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL AMERICA ‘S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.
BUT, HE IS A GOOD ORATOR. ISN’T THAT A COMFORT?
YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.
I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOG ETHER.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET ME IN TRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW CHIEF PILOT.HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE, IN FACT HE HAS NEVER EVEN SAT IN THE COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE HE WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS FLIGHT.
PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN? THE HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT?
THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY OBAMA!
HOPEFULLY YOU WILL SEND THIS TO YOUR EMAILS FRIENDS!!
IF YOU DON’T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS,
PLEASE, FEEL FREE…
TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !!!
‘From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator,
To the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee,
He logged 143 days of experience in the Senate..
That’s how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be
Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of
Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days.
I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.’
Columnist Cheri Jacobus
Walking Eagle
Senator BARACK OBAMA was invited to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nation two weeks ago in upstate New York. HE spoke for almost an hour on HIS future plans for increasing every Native American’s present standard of living, should HE one day become the President. HE referred to his career as a Senator,how he had signed ‘YES’ for every Indian issue that came to his desk for approval. Although the Senator was vague on the details of his plan, he seemed most enthusiastic about his future ideas for helping his Red sisters and brothers?. At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented the Senator with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name – Walking Eagle. The proud Senator then departed in his motorcade, waving to the crowds. A news reporter later inquired to the group of chiefs of how they came to select the new name had given to the Senator. They explained that Walking Eagle is the name given to a bird so full of shit it can no longer fly.*
Pat Buchanan’s message to Barack
Pat Buchanan is one of the few in the media who has the guts to tell it like it is, I.e., no political correctness here.
My hope is that you are not offended.
A Brief for Whitey
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted 03/21/2008 ET
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.
Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America?
Is it really white America ‘S fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 Percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. IsBarack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black!— on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseum from the Reverend Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena.
And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 4 trillion tax dollars ago.
“She initially passed out, but quickly recovered. Linda is a blonde and a Democrat, and an Obama supporter, but that could be irrelevant.”
Your post is a lie (and not even a good one) but you knew that.
We’ve learned to expect lies and hatred from right wing extremists like you. Thanks for playing.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/safety/biscuit.asp
What seems to be the problem??? Such a nice young man.
Evaluate and JUDGE for yourself. MAY WE ALL PRAY FOR WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT AND PRAY FOR EACH OTHER AS WE MAKE THIS DECISION OF A LIFETIME! OUR LIVES, CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN’S LIVES WILL BE CHANGED FOREVER BECAUSE OF OUR CHOICE THIS ELECTION. MAY GOD BE WITH US ALL!
God help us if this man is elected!! But it is all stated in the Bible and it will happen sooner or later. This is from Darlene Millican, wife of the pastor of Trinity Bapt. Church here in Sun City . I have felt for sometime now that Obama is the one person that ‘Frightens Me’. I believe the Bible has warned us that ‘A man will come from the East that will be charismatic in nature and have proposed solutions for all our problems and his rhetoric will attract many supporters!’ When will our pathetic Nation quit turning their back on God and understand that this man is ‘A Muslim’….First, Last and always….and we are AT WAR with the Muslim Nation, whether our bleeding-heart, secular, Liberal friends believe it or not. This man fits every description from the Bible of the ‘Anti-Christ’! I’m just glad to know that there are others that are frightened by this man! Who is Barack Obama? Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice.If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts…this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States…better heed this and pray about it and share it.
snopes.com
<http://snopes.com>’ confirms this is factual. Check for yourself. Who is Barack Obama? Probable U. S. presidential candidate, BarackHussein Obama was born in Honolulu ,Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas Obama’s parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia . When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a Catholic school.Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim . He is quick to point out that, ‘He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.’Obama’s political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical. Obama’s introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son’s education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham,introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta .Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States , Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts,Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Do you want someone like this as your PRESIDENT? Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected presidential candidacy.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level – through the President of the United States, one of their own! The Bible says ‘He will come from among you!’
‘We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and
keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times.. and then just
expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not
leadership. That’s not going to happen’.
Say what?
Guess this Fellow thinks our Nation should do what others tell us !!!
Do you want this man leading our country?
WITHOUT GOD, WE ARE NOTHING
TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO READ THIS LETTER. THESE ARE STRONG, POWERFUL AND
COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED COLONEL. AND READ
WHAT LINCOLN HAD TO SAY AT THE END.
33 Senators voted against English as America’s official language on
June 6, 2007. Of the 33, only one is a Republican, two are
Independents, and the rest are Democrats!
On Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 23:35:23, Colonel Harry Riley, USA-Ret.
wrote:
“Senators:
Your vote against an amendment to Immigration Bill 1348 to make English
America’s official language is astounding. And on D-Day, no less, when
we honor those who sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character
and principles of America. I can only surmise your vote
reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens.
I don’t much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether
you’re black, white, or some other color, male or female, Democrat,
Republican or Independent. But I do care when you’re a United States
Senator representing citizens of America, and you vote against English
as the official language of the United States.
Your vote reflects betrayal and political surrender. It violates your
Pledge of Allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects
patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you
unfit to serve as a United States Senator. Impeachment, recall or other
appropriate action is warranted or possibly even worse.
Four of you voting against English as America’s official language are
current or former presidential candidates: Senator Biden, Senator
Clinton, Senator Dodd and Senator Obama. You are and were four
Senators vying to lead America. But you won’t, or don’t, have the
courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America’s official
language when 91% of American citizens want English officially
designated as our language. This is the second time in the last
several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as
‘political hacks’ unworthy of being Senators, and certainly unqualified
to serve as the President of the United States.
If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning
it will literally ‘rock you out of your pants’ and, preferably, totally
out of the United States Senate. The entire immigration bill is a
farce. Your actions only confirm this really isn’t about America; it’s
about self-serving politics. And it’s despicable at best. It has been
said, ‘Never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their
level!’
The following Senators voted against making English the official
language of America:
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE) (Un successfully ran for President)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY) (Wants to be President)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT) (Unsuccessfully ran for President)
Domenici (R-NM) (Coward. Protecting his Senate seat.)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI) (Not unusual for him!)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) (Unsuccessfully ran for President)
Kohl (D-WI))
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (I-CT) (Disappointment here)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama &nb;sp; (D-IL) (Wants to be President)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV) (Senate Majority Leader)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
President Abraham Lincoln stated, ‘Congressmen who willfully take
actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military
are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged!'”
John McCain’s remarks about the Pledge of Allegiance
In light of the recent appeals court ruling in California, with respect to the Pledge of Allegiance, the following recollection from Senator John McCain is very appropriate:
‘The Pledge of Allegiance’ – by Senator John McCain
‘As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.
This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.
One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian.
Mike came from a small town near Selma , Alabama . He didn’t wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.
As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.
Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt.
Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike’s shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.
I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.
One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike’s shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it.
That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours. Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could.
The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room.
As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.
So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world. You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.’
‘I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all.’
PASS THIS ON… And on… And on! You can even send it back to me, I don’t mind, because its worth reading again.
oh…….and then you have this clown, who refuses to place his hand on his heart and say the pledge……
Subject: Remember this picture on election day!
Let’s all remember this on election day…if you have family serving in the military, make sure you send it along. I don’t care for Hillary, but at least she shows respect for the country she lives in! I had heard about this but a picture is definitely worth 1000 words! God save us!!!
Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama’s photo (that’s his real name)…..the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE……how in the hell can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief
I thought it was funny. However, the Democrat part was unnecessary and the story would’ve actually been funnier without it given the content of this thread.
John McCain’s Sons
Talk about putting your most valuable where your mouth is! Apparently this was not “newsworthy” enough for the media to comment about. Can either of the other presidential candidates truthfully come close to this? … Just a question for each of us to seek an answer, and not a statement.
You see…character is what’s shown when the public is not looking. There were no cameras or press invited to what you are about to read about, and the story comes from one person in New Hampshire .
One evening last July, Senator John McCain of Arizona arrived at the New Hampshi re home of Erin Flanagan for sandwiches, chocolate-chip cookies and a heartfelt talk about Iraq . They had met at a presidential debate, when she asked the candidates what they would do to bring home American soldiers – –
soldiers like her brother, who had been killed in action a few months earlier.
Mr. McCain did not bring cameras or press. Instead, he brought his youngest son, James McCain, 19, then a private first class in the Marine Corps about to leave for Iraq . Father and son sat down to hear more about Ms. Flanagan’s brother Michael Cleary, a 24-year-old Army First Lieutenant killed by an ambush … a roadside bomb.
No one mentioned the obvious: In just d ays, Jimmy McCain could face similar perils. ‘I can’t imagine what it must have been like for them as they were coming to meet with a family that ……’ Ms. Flanagan recalled, choking up. ‘We lost a dear one,’ she finished.
Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq . What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son, who spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province and learned of his father’s New Hampshire victory in January while he was digging a stuck military vehicle out of the mud.
Two of Jimmy’s three older brothers went into the m ilitary. Doug McCain, 48, was a Navy pilot. Jack McCain, 21, is to graduate from the Naval Academy next year, raising the chances that his father, if elected, could become the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower with a son at war.
I chose to share this with those who I believe will pass it on, to others who will pass it on. We hear so much inflated trash out there. How about a simple act of kindness … and dedication to others placed above oneself?
Has anybody heard if Barack Hussein Obama has served in The American Armed Services?
This is for all you Barack voters.
From Barack’s book, Audacity of Hope:
“I will stand with th e Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
HE DID NOT SAY STAND WITH AMERICANS!!!!!
George Will’s Questions for Barack Obama
~ Senator, concerning the criteria by which you will nominate judges, you said: “We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old.” Such sensitivities might serve an admirable legislator, but what have they to do with judging? Should a judge side with whichever party in a controversy stirs his or her empathy? Is such personalization of the judicial function inimical to the rule of law?
~ Voting against the confirmation of Chief Justice John Roberts, you said: “Deciding ‘truly difficult cases’ should involve ‘one’s deepest values, one’s core concerns, one’s broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one’s empathy.” Is that not essentially how Chief Justice Roger Taney decided the Dred Scott case? Should other factors – say, the language of the constitutional or statutory provision at issue – matter?
~ You say, “The insurance companies, the drug companies, they’re not going to give up their profits easily when it comes to health care.” Why should they? Who will profit from making those industries unprofitable? When pharmaceutical companies have given up their profits, who will fund pharmaceutical innovations, without which there will be much
preventable suffering and death? What other industries should ‘give up their profits’?
~ ExxonMobil’s 2007 profit of $40.6 billion annoys you. Do you know that its profit, relative to its revenue, was smaller than Microsoft’s and many other corporations’? And that reducing ExxonMobil’s profits will injure people who participate in mutual funds, index funds and pension funds that own 52 percent of the company?
~ You say John McCain is content to “watch Americans’ home prices decline.” So, government should prop up housing prices generally? How? Why? Were prices ideal before the bubble popped? How does a senator know ideal prices? Have you explained to young couples straining to buy their first house that declining prices are a misfortune?
~ Telling young people “don’t go into corporate America,” your wife, Michelle, urged them to become social workers or others in “the helping industry,” not “the moneymaking industry.” Given that the moneymakers pay for 100 percent of American jobs, in both public and private sectors, is it not helpful?
~ Michelle, who was born in 1964, says that most Americans’ lives have “gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl.” Since 1960, real per capita income has increased 143 percent, life expectancy has increased by seven years, infant mortality has declined 74 percent, deaths from heart disease have been halved, childhood leukemia has stopped being a death sentence, depression has become a treatable disease, air and
water pollution have been drastically reduced, the number of women earning a bachelor’s degree has more than doubled, the rate of homeownership has increased 10.2 percent, the size of the average American home has doubled, the percentage of homes with air conditioning has risen from 12 to 77, the portion of Americans who own shares of stock has quintupled … Has your wife perhaps missed some pertinent developments in this country that she calls “just downright mean”?
~ You favor raising the capital gains tax rate to “20 percent or 25 percent.” You say this will not “distort” economic decision making. Your tax returns on your 2007 income of $4.2 million show that you and Michelle own few stocks. Are you sure you understand how investors make decisions?
~ During the ABC debate, you acknowledged that when the capital gains rate was dropped first to 20 percent, then to 15 percent, government revenues from the tax increased and they declined in the 1980s when it was increased to 28 percent. Nevertheless, you said you would consider raising the rate “for purposes of fairness.” How does decreasing the government’s financial resources and punishing investors promote fairness? Are you
aware that 20 percent of taxpayers reporting capital gains in 2006 had incomes of less
than $50,000?
~ You favor eliminating the cap on earnings subject to the 12.4 percent Social Security tax, which now covers only the first $102,000. A Chicago police officer married to a Chicago public-school teacher, each with 20 years on the job, have a household income of $147,501, so you would take another $5,642 from them. Are they under taxed? Are they rich?
~ This November, electorates in four states will vote on essentially this language: “The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin in the operation of public
employment, public education or public contracting.” Three states-California, Washington and Michigan-have enacted such language. You made a radio ad opposing the Michigan initiative. Why? Are those states’ voters racists?
~ You denounce President Bush for arrogance toward other nations. Yet you vow to use a metaphorical “hammer” to force revisions of trade agreements unless certain weaker nations adjust their labor, environmental and other domestic policies to suit you. Can you define cognitive dissonance?
~ You want “to reduce money in politics.” In February and March you raise $95 million. See prior question.
Subject: Cindy McCain
This is an interesting article as not much was known about her. She was
on Leno the other night and it was an interesting interview. It turns out that she is a character as she is or has been a race car driver and is also a pilot. She flies John around the country to his rallies. After hearing that about her and reading this I now have a lot of respect for her.
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Election 2008: Cindy Hensley McCain has been disparaged as a trophy wife, a Barbie, an heiress with fancy purses, even the Paris Hilton of politics. But there’s more to the picture than meets the eye.
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Yes, Mrs. McCain is the perfectly coifed blonde standing dutifully behind the senator during his speeches. And yes, she wears stylish clothing and carries a Prada purse And it’s true she doesn’t say much.
But feminist critics who write her off as a “stand-by-your-man”shrinking violet are selling her short. In many ways, Cindy McCain stacks up sturdier than Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama. And she’d make a more impressive first lady.
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Mrs. McCain: More than meets the eye.
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While Obama’s wife has been hat ing America, complaining about the
war and undermining our troops serving in Afghanistan, McCain’s wife has
been worrying about her sons who actually are fighting or planning to fight in the war on terror. One, in fact, was until a few months ago deployed in Iraq during some of the worst violence.
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You don’t hear the McCain’s talk about it, but their 19-year-old Marine, Jimmy, is preparing for his second tour of duty. Their 21-year-old son, Jack, is poised to graduate from Annapolis and also could join the Marines as a second lieutenant. The couple made the decision not to draw attention to their sons out of respect for other families with sons
and daughters in harm’s way.
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Cindy also says she doesn’t want to risk falling apart on the campaign trail talking about Jimmy who was so young when he enlisted she had to sign consent forms for his medical tests before he could report for duty and potentially upsetting parents of soldiers who are serving or have been killed.
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The McCain’s want to make sure their boys get no special treatment. Same goes for their five other children, including a daughter they adopted from Bangladesh. During a visit to Mother Teresa’s orphanage there, Cindy noticed a dying baby. The orphanage could not provide the medical care needed to save her life. So she brought the child home to America for the surgery she desperately needed. The baby is now their< /FONT>
healthy, 16-year-old daughter, Bridget.
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Though all seven McCain children including two Sen. McCain adopted from his first marriage are supportive of their father, they prefer their privacy to the glare of the campaign trail. Another daughter, Meghan, 23, helps him behind the scenes.
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Cindy McCain not only cherishes her children, but also her country, which in an election year filled with America-bashing, is a refreshing novelty. She seethed when she heard Michelle Obama’s unpatriotic remarks that she only recently grew proud of America. “I am very proud of my country,”Mrs. McCain asserted.
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She also may be tougher than th e other women in the race. While Hillar thinks she’s come under sniper fire on mission trips abroad, Cindy has actually seen violence. She witnessed a boy get blown up by a mine in Kuwait during a trip with an international group that removes land mines from war-torn countries.
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Mrs. McCain also is a hands-on philanthropist. She sits on the board of Operation Smile, which arranges for plastic surgeons to fix cleft palates and other birth defects. She also has helped organize relief missions to Micronesia.
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During a scuba-diving vacation to the islands, Mrs. McCain took a friend to a local hospital to have a cut treated. She was shocked, and saddened, by what she saw. “They opened the door to the OR, where the supplies were, and there were two cats and a whole bunch of rats climbing out of the sterile supplies,” she recalled. “They had no
X-ray machine, no beds. To me, it was devastating because it was a U.S. trust
territory.” As soon as she returned home, she arranged for medical equipment and teams of doctors to be sent to treat the island children.
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Michelle Obama may contribute to CARE, which fights global poverty and works to empower poor women. Cindy sits on its board.
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While the Democrat women talk about helping the poor and needy, Cindy McCain actually rolls up her sleeves and does it. Who’s the out-of-touch elitist?
Wow great posts. I was going to vote for Obama. But no way now. McCain/Palin have my vote.
Obama is a FRAUD!!!!!
What kind of loser would post as Darth Sidious?????
I’m not voting for Obama either any more.
Extremely difficult for a lib to combat those damning posts.
What a bunch of pathetic and hateful liars and whiners. The last thing the U.S. needs is four more years of Bush politics.
Obama/Biden ’08
“Extremely difficult for a lib to combat those damning posts.”
Especially coming from right wing anonymous cowards with enough spare time to vomit lies, spin stories and continue the politics of fear so skillfully perfected by Bush and Cheney.
“Who’s the out-of-touch elitist?”
You.
great comebacks libs. Yori was right.
“great comebacks libs.”
And that was poetry? Aren’t you late for gym class?
A politician is a politician. The difference is Obama inspires me to want better for the country, McCain inspires me to want to go to war. So much hatred from the Republican party…it’s hard to stomach.
Good one Steve. Just put your head in the sand and hope the boogy man leaves you alone. You libs are something else.
cute post, really cute
“A politician is a politician. The difference is Obama inspires me to want better for the country, McCain inspires me to want to go to war. So much hatred from the Republican party…it’s hard to stomach.”
Amen, Steve. Well said.
“Just put your head in the sand”
They usually bury the entire soldier.
The boogy man is created by us…maybe if we kept our heads out of the sand the boogy man wouldn’t exist. That’s a whole new debate though.
This entire thread can be summed as follows:
“Are too!”
“Are not!”
“Are too!”
“Are not!”
I hope most of these posters aren’t Mac users. What a disgrace.
As long as we all agree
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How long with this thread go on?
Speaking of Macs…. oh wait…
Watch this video, it’s funny.
Jon Stewart is the best and did more research in this clip than most “news sources” do in one year.
AN APOLOGY FROM THE MEDIA:
On behalf of the elite media, I would like to say we are very sorry.
We have asked questions this week that we should never have asked.
We have asked pathetic questions like: Who is Sarah Palin? What is her record? Where does she stand on the issues? And is she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?
We have asked mean questions like: How well did John McCain know her before he selected her? How well did his campaign vet her? And was she his first choice?
Bad questions. Bad media. Bad….
[W]e should never have strayed into the other stuff. Like when The Washington Post recently wrote: “Palin is under investigation by a bipartisan state legislative body. … Palin had promised to cooperate with the legislative inquiry, but this week she hired a lawyer to fight to move the case to the jurisdiction of the state personnel board, which Palin appoints.”
Why go there? What trees does that plant?
Fourth, we should stop making with all the questions already. She gave a really good speech. And why go beyond that? As we all know, speeches cannot be written by others and rehearsed for days. They are true windows to the soul.
Unless they are delivered by Barack Obama, that is. In which case, as Palin said Wednesday, speeches are just a “cloud of rhetoric.”
@Rheinhard – this thread has been taken over by one ore more cut and pasters with too much time and too little supervision. I’m thinking middle school study hall or just bandwidth wasters that didn’t have internet access away from work who are stealing time at their workplaces to dish up the last two pages of crap. Where’s twilightmoon when you need him?
As far as the Gov goes, when, as mayor, you fire the town librarian because she won’t follow your orders to remove books from the library that don’t fit you Christianist views and you fire the town police chief because he is taking actions to reduce drunk driving and traffic accidents that are upsetting your political backers (the bar owners), that pretty well illuminates who you are. Bush protects his moneyed friends and discards people who won’t do things his way. She wouldn’t even back her own mother-in-law for mayor of We-silly because her MIL wanted all women to be able to chose to keep their babies (see, when the government choses for you, you haven’t chosen) Who needs more of that.
I’m afraid I liked McCain better with Joe Lieberman keeping him on track. This is a train wreck.
OOPs that should have been Wee-Silly, Alaska
All you libs and Russians-Iranians-N Koreans-EuroTrash, etc. think every bad thing that happens in the world is caused by the US. Complete and utter BS. If it weren’t for the US there wouldn’t be any freedoms in the world. It would be like the 1600s still. Get a clue. Thank god for the US. Most of us are very proud of our country and will vote in John McCain! lurker – your name fits you perfectly.
Democrats, the true party of hate and lies.
Obama inspires me to want better for the country, too. He makes me want someone better than Obama. Of course, that’s not hard. Hillary would be better than Obama
“Democrats, the true party of hate and lies.”
That’s pretty funny coming from a right wing fascist who wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on the ass.
Subj: Joe Biden
This came from a reliable personal contact……draw your own conclusions… If you are a crook, people will find out.
Family,
I feel an obligation to honesty and truth to share with you some facts. My Father and Mother instilled in me the values and morals of treating people fairly and always being honest. If you purchase something, you pay for it. If you borrow something, you give it back.
I have been “stiffed” three times in my 30 year professional career by someone who I rendered services to, gave a finished product to, but who refused to pay for those services even though they acknowledged the services and products were correct, were what they asked for, and were never challenged for not being correct. I am lucky in having only three, but those three hurt badly.
Joe Biden was one of those people. I worked on his 1988 Presidential campaign financial disclosure engagement. I busted it for him and got everything right. He stiffed me for over $15,000 worth of work. He refused to pay once he dropped out of the race. I did similar Capitol Hill campaign financial disclosure work for Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, and a Democratic candidate for Ambassador to New Zealand . All of those folks paid even though they lost the election or did not get the appointment. That type of work is very demanding and very tedious because your efforts are scrutinized by Congress. Biden did not care.
I am on the Board of Directors of a company that owns a majority position in a private jet management company in Northern Virginia . They manage jets for businesses and rich folks. They also charter planes to the public. This past winter John Thompson chartered over $250,000 worth of air time. He paid every penny.
Joe Biden, in his latest unsuccessful run for President, chartered over $150,000 worth of air time. He PAID ZERO. He continues to refuse to pay stating his race is over and he is out of money. He never once complained about his flights. Joe Biden is a rich man. He could pay.
Joe Biden is a liar and a cheat. I know it first hand. Character is what life is all about. Joe Biden is a man of bad character and sets a bad example for America .
I feel compelled to share this dark side of a man who asks for your vote and trust.
“Most of us are very proud of our country and will vote in John McCain!”
Another delusion and lie. Not surprising. The U.S. is split in half much like the last two elections. Again the election will be close and the Supreme Court will make yet another disastrous ruling.
This election will not be close. McCain will win. Watch and cry commie!
@Brucie
Look up the Keating Five some time. Asshat.
@ @got your clue
You must be a small child, senile or drunk. Check the polls.
“Watch and cry commie!”
WTF? Get help.
got your clue is going to need some serious couch time with the shrink after the dem loss this year.
Liberal judges are ruining the US. Double Asshat!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Antoine, you’re going to miss the short bus home. Hurry up now, little girl.
“Liberal judges are ruining the US.”
See. Another good reason why teens shouldn’t sniff paint thinner.
Jesus Christ – Community Organizer
Pontius Pilate – Governor (maybe Porky Palin)
Liberals are disgusting losers who can’t compete on their own so they try to take away from successful people. Losers. Nothing wrong with helping people who are disabled. But nothing right about helping the lazy.
Ok, I can cut’n’paste too.
1 Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is “God’s task.” She’s even admitted she hasn’t thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, “I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq.” 2
Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to “keep up the good work” and “wished the party luck on what she called its ‘inspiring convention.'” 3
Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn’t made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact. 4
Palin doesn’t believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, “I’m not one though who would attribute it to being manmade.” 5
Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP. 6
Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn’t even support abortion in the case of rape or incest. 7
Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She’s said she will only support abstinence-only approaches. 8
As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, “news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving “full support” to the mayor.” 9
She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said “thanks, but no thanks” to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks “while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”
SShhh everybody.
Poor little twilight moon petered out.
3 nonstop days with no sleep, tapping out his messages.
Poor little fella’s asleep!
Lurker: “I’m afraid I liked McCain better with Joe Lieberman keeping him on track. This is a train wreck.”
I find that a very refreshing endorsement of McCain.
You liberals cannot stand the fact that McCain might win despite running in an election year with a very unpopular president from his same party. You can’t stand that you’re anointed “historic” candidate cannot just walk freely into his rightful seat in the White House.
You hate how Obama actually has to prove his case, including how he is qualified to become president, when this was already decided at the moment of his glorious birth into a fortunate Earth that should bow down before his styrofoam greek columns and kiss the astroturf beneath his feet.
“Poor little twilight moon petered out.”
Naw I figured you’d carry the torch for me with your mad cut-n-paste™ skills. I honor you sir.
As for Palin, keep talking. She’s an inspiration to a lot of Americans, she’s re-ignited a dispirited Republican party in a way that few conservatives can remember, including impressing many women who normally would not vote for a Republican.
Whether she wins this election or not, she’s going to be a force to be reckoned with for a long time I suspect.
It will be even worse for you liberals if McCain wins.
The bloom is off the rose for Obama, he’s no longer seen as a messiah figure. How many women faint in front of his speeches now?
If he wants to enter the White House as anything other than a guest, he’s going to have to earn it now. He blew his chance to clinch the election by tapping Hillary for his running mate, and now the election could be slipping away from him.
This is going to be a very entertaining next few months to watch. The game is on.
What?? “Watch this video, it’s funny.
John Stewart is a liberal hack, but I will have to give it to him that video was funny if a little one sided. It’s not terribly difficult to pull clips and play edited sections of them out of context to distort someone’s messages and make them sound contradictory. This is an old trick.
Regardless of what O’Reily said, the personal attacks on Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter are disgusting and disgraceful.
Regardless of what was said about Hillary crying about being picked on, the attacks on Sarah Palin were very personal, involved members of her family, and have already started to backfire and turn an already jaded public even more against the liberal media.
They won’t be able to rip her apart like they are used to doing with good people who aren’t toe tag liberal elitists like themselves. Many of Hillary’s supporters are already angry about how Hillary was treated by the media, seeing the same thing done to Sarah Palin will only help endear her to the public.
I heard the figure 37 million viewers watched Sarah Palin’s speech. That’s only one million less than those who watched Obama’s Styrofoam Greek Temple Speech. Palin’s speech was widely considered to be a home run. The first speech given by her on a national stage, and it already has Obama’s campaign reeling on the defensive.
I can’t wait for the debate.
btw who wants to lay odds that this thread will still be going on October 2nd?
by the way, I find it hilarious that Biden who is considered a consummate debater is already terrified of meeting Palin and is trying to dumb down expectations of his performance.
Where are your testicles sir? Do you want me to ask Palin if she’s lend them back to you?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/04/biden-lowers-expectations-in-upcoming-debate-against-palin/
Terrified?
Nice hyperbole. Take your meds.
Biden is a war criminal!
The other day I went downtown to run a few errands. I went into the local coffee shop for a snack. I was only there for about 5 minutes, and when I came out, there was this cop writing out a parking ticket.
I said to him, ‘Come on, man, how about giving a retired person a break’?
He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. His insensitivity annoyed me, so I called him a ‘Nazi.’ He glared at me and then wrote out another ticket for having worn tires. So I proceeded to call him a ‘doughnut eating Gestapo. ‘
He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first.
Then he wrote a third ticket when I called him a moron in blue.
This went on for about 20 minutes. The more I talked back to him the more tickets he wrote.
Personally, I didn’t really care. I came downtown on the bus, and the car that he was putting the tickets on had one of those bumper stickers that said, ‘Obama in ‘ 08.’
I try to have a little fun each day now that I’m retired. The doctor tells me that it’s important to my health.
I love this one!
Ooops..
Polls are in!
Palin is now more popular than Obama and McCain..
Nice try.
[Sept. 1, 2008 (CBS News)]
“Democratic nominee Barack Obama’s lead over Republican John McCain has grown after the Democratic convention, which 71 percent of Americans say they watched. Obama and his running mate Joe Biden now lead McCain and Sarah Palin 48 percent to 40 percent, according to the latest CBS News poll.
This is the first CBS News poll to include the vice presidential candidates in the horserace question.
The eight-point lead for the Democratic ticket is up from Obama’s three-point lead before the convention. But there are still a significant number of voters who have yet to firmly make up their minds.
Before the Democratic convention, McCain enjoyed a 12-point advantage with independent voters, but now Obama leads among this group 43 percent to 37 percent. Obama’s lead among women has also grown to 14 points (50 percent to 36 percent), and the Democrat maintained the lead he had before the convention among voters who supported Senator Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries.
The poll shows an increase in the number of Obama voters who are enthusiastic about him. Sixty-seven percent of Obama voters say they enthusiastically support him, which is up from 48 percent who said so before the convention. About a quarter of McCain’s backers are enthusiastic about him–unchanged from before the Democratic convention.
Sixty-three percent of registered voters say Obama understands their needs and problems, while just 41 percent say that about McCain. And after the Democratic convention, 58 percent of voters say Obama is “tough enough,” which is up from 48 percent in early August.”
September 3, 2008
CNN Poll: Obama widening lead in battleground states
Posted: 04:10 PM ET
From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser
Obama is up in key battleground states.
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) — A new poll suggests that Barack Obama is widening his lead over John McCain in two battleground states but indicates the race is dead even in Ohio, the state that decided the last presidential election.
In a CNN/Time/Opinion Research Corp. survey out Wednesday afternoon, 55 percent of Iowa registered voters who were questioned said that Obama, D-Illinois, is their choice for president, with 40 percent backing McCain, R-Arizona.
That’s more than double the lead that Obama had in a University of Iowa poll taken early last month.
“Obama is winning in all regions of the state — even in the western counties where George W. Bush beat John Kerry by 17 points,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Obama is winning rural voters in Iowa — not something you see in many other states.”
By: jcgiii
From: John Gedney’s PowerBook
Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 12:39 PM
TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO READ THIS LETTER. THESE ARE STRONG, POWERFUL AND
COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED COLONEL. AND READ
WHAT LINCOLN HAD TO SAY AT THE END.
33 Senators voted against English as America’s official language on
June 6, 2007. Of the 33, only one is a Republican, two are
Independents, and the rest are Democrats!
On Wednesday, June 6, 2007, at 23:35:23, Colonel Harry Riley, USA-Ret.
wrote:
“Senators:
Your vote against an amendment to Immigration Bill 1348 to make English
America’s official language is astounding. And on D-Day, no less, when
we honor those who sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character
and principles of America. I can only surmise your vote
reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens.
I don’t much care where you come from, what your religion is, whether
you’re black, white, or some other color, male or female, Democrat,
Republican or Independent. But I do care when you’re a United States
Senator representing citizens of America, and you vote against English
as the official language of the United States.
Your vote reflects betrayal and political surrender. It violates your
Pledge of Allegiance, dishonors historical principle, rejects
patriotism, borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you
unfit to serve as a United States Senator. Impeachment, recall or other
appropriate action is warranted or possibly even worse.
Four of you voting against English as America’s official language are
current or former presidential candidates: Senator Biden, Senator
Clinton, Senator Dodd and Senator Obama. You are and were four
Senators vying to lead America. But you won’t, or don’t, have the
courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America’s official
language when 91% of American citizens want English officially
designated as our language. This is the second time in the last
several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as
‘political hacks’ unworthy of being Senators, and certainly unqualified
to serve as the President of the United States.
If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning
it will literally ‘rock you out of your pants’ and, preferably, totally
out of the United States Senate. The entire immigration bill is a
farce. Your actions only confirm this really isn’t about America; it’s
about self-serving politics. And it’s despicable at best. It has been
said, ‘Never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their
level!’
The following Senators voted against making English the official
language of America:
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE) (Un successfully ran for President)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY) (Wants to be President)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT) (Unsuccessfully ran for President)
Domenici (R-NM) (Coward. Protecting his Senate seat.)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI) (Not unusual for him!)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) (Unsuccessfully ran for President)
Kohl (D-WI))
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (I-CT) (Disappointment here)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama &nb;sp; (D-IL) (Wants to be President)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV) (Senate Majority Leader)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
President Abraham Lincoln stated, ‘Congressmen who willfully take
actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military
are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged!'”
CBS poll, what a freaking joke.
It’s long been the case that what really gets the Republican base excited is anything that pisses off liberals. There are genuine policy differences, of course, but to get an audience of Republicans on their feet and really cheering you need to mention something, no matter how pointless, which pisses of liberals. Hate is the glue that keeps them together.
OK, if you don’t like CBS, how about Gallup (Obama over McCain 49%- 42%)?
I mean, I know it’s not as “balanced” as FOX News and all, but….
Rheinhard: ” Hate is the glue that keeps them together.”
I’m sorry were you talking about liberals or conservatives?
A note on polls, I said Palin was more popular than Obama or McCain. It’s interesting how liberals are unable to read or comprehend simple English..
Palin, not McCain.
You’re looking up the wrong polls about something I didn’t even mention.
Try again.
Obama’s pure pain:
“MDN Magic Word” = “woman.” (That’s some scary magic.)
Palin is Dick Cheney in drag but with better aim.
Obama was talking about his Muslim faith over the weekend……
Tsk, tsk, Karen. Such an obvious liar. That’s what we’ve learned to expect from right wing fascists. Has McCain ever slipped up? No?
“She’s a partner and a soul-mate.” — John McCain on his vice presidential pick, Sarah Palin, whom he had met only once before offering her the job, “FOX News Sunday” interview, Aug. 31, 2008
I’ll bet Cindy loved that line.
And now the truth about Obama’s slip of the tongue:
He was discussing false rumors when he slipped up
September 8, 2008
A verbal slip by Barack Obama, in which he made a reference to “my Muslim faith,” unleashed a barrage of Internet attacks Sunday.
The Democratic presidential candidate appeared on ABC’s “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos, which aired Sunday morning.
Obama was — ironically — addressing the false rumors that he is Muslim. He suggested that Republican rival John McCain was behind them, according to ABC News.
Obama was reminded that McCain denied spreading the rumors.
“You’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith,” Obama said, before being corrected by Stephanopoulos.
Obama pointed the finger at “the Republican camp.”
The quote became a magnet for comments on the YouTube.com video site and by bloggers as the day went on. Some seized on it as confirmation of their suspicions and some ridiculed it as a gaffe.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton bristled. “Printing a blogger suspecting that Obama is a Muslim is pretty irresponsible and below the standards that we’re used to out of the Sun-Times,” he wrote in an e-mail.
Obama is a Muslim, period!
Larry is on his period? And he’s a Nazi? Figures.
So, Palin is Pentecostal. Everyone but them are saved, Everyone else is the enemy and damned.
Great pick, John.
“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Lets get that straight,” Biden said in Clinton’s defense.
“She’s easily qualified to be vice president … and quite frankly, might have been a better pick than me.”
Palin’s a much better pick than a muslim, period!
“Palin’s a much better pick than a muslim, period!”
Typical right wing racist pig.
Nice word to use, “pig”. How fitting for you hypocrite liberals. You’re going to lose. Can’t wait.
A few fun facts about the train wreck Sarah Palin:
1) She is opposed to abortion even in cases of rape and incest (even if victims are children)
2) She offered a bounty of $150 for each right front leg of freshly killed wolves
3) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power
4) She strongly supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
5) She is a champion for big oil and her campaign slogan has become “Drill, baby, drill!”
6) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools
7) She believes man-made global warming is a farce
8) She is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species because it might limit oil exploitation
9) While mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire the city librarian because the librarian refused to censor books
10) She supports aerial hunting of wolves and bears even though Alaskans voted twice to ban the practice
11) She used $400,000 of state money to fund a propaganda campaign in support of aerial hunting
12) As mayor of Wasilla, she made rape victims pay for their own forensic evidence kits
13) She obtained her first passport just last year (2007)
“You’re going to lose. “
You’re obviously the expert on being a loser and blatant liar. You must be proud to support the collapse and destruction of the U.S. during Bush’s third term.
Nice going, ass breath.
“Nice word to use, “pig”.”
You must be referring to the numerous times McCain used the expression lipstick on a pig last year, for example, as a comparison to Clinton’s health plan. Hypocrisy abounds.
You’re going to miss gym class, little boy.
McCain and Palin are provoking a Cold War with Russia
http://web.me.com/chme/Blog/Home/Entries/2008/9/12_Why_is_McCain_Provoking_Another_Cold_War_with_Russia.html
wow this thread is still going?
“You must be referring to the numerous times McCain used the expression lipstick on a pig last year, for example, as a comparison to Clinton’s health plan. Hypocrisy abounds.”
McCain would never do that.
Oops. PWNED.