“I’m sure Apple is probably spending as much in developing 10.6 as they’d routinely invest in a standard feature upgrade, and some of its new capabilities may be far more meaningful in the areas where it counts, and that’s being able to get your work done faster, with greater stability,” Gene Steinberg writes for The Mac Night Owl.
“I don’t think Apple is going to suffer severely if they truly ditch the PowerPC with Snow Leopard. Understand, though, that even if the reports about the system requirements of the developer preview are true, that doesn’t mean Apple isn’t going to roll in PowerPC code between now and 10.6’s release date,” Steinberg writes. “But I doubt it. This no advantage in spending extra millions to incorporate support for an older processor platform that can scarcely benefit from Snow Leopard’s enhancements.”
“Personally, I still think Apple has to cope with user psychology. For years, new versions of software that exacted a full upgrade price contained new features to justify the purchase price. While the work Apple is doing admittedly carries equal or better value, I expect many people won’t agree,” Steinberg writes.
“If Apple were to provide Snow Leopard free, almost free, or for a modest purchase price, say $59 or $79. it wouldn’t diminish the Mac OS value equation,” Steinberg writes. “Apple would simply deliver the appropriate spin, claiming it is their gift to millions of loyal customers who have embraced the Mac platform over the years. And they’ll still make a bundle regardless.”
Full article here.
Simple Answer:
Full price to upgrade from Tiger
Discount to upgrade from Leopard
Should auto manufacturers charge extra for brakes, safety belts, and door locks?
charge $129
complainers $149
Apple’s sliding scale purchase plan
suckers $129
switchers $149
idiots $169
cretins $189
morons $209
simpletons $229
half-wits $249
imbeciles $269
pinheads $289
nitwits $309
fanbois $329
@ha ha huh?
That looks awfully similar to Microsofts…
Suckers defined as people who use hardware that works.
Comment from: no – “charge $129 complainers $149”
Perfect buisness plan!
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If Microsoft did this with Wista and their other products, prices would go sky high!
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and don’t forget Radius, microsoft fanbois paying $329 for the Windows Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
Who pays three hundred dollars for an OS?
Should Be Free! Charging for a ‘Software Update’ with a fancy name is just wrong. M$ didn’t even charge for XP SP2. Don’t tell me this is different without an explanation that makes sense. I’m not paying for patches!
Skabeetle, no soup for you!
I liked Daniel’s theory of why Snow Leopard will be regular price. Mainly, there is no need to lower it. The people that will benefit from it will happily pay $129 or more and the people that won’t benefit probably wouldn’t upgrade anyways.
@G4Dualie
True, very true. Remember Microsoft’s motto ‘ We paint our customers into a corner, and then squeeze all the cash out of them!’
Hey, Ha,Ha,Huh, Isn’t it great that Microsoft has to give away Apple iPods to get people to use their search system? God, comedy like this just can’t be invented!
Sorry, that would be Daniel Dillenger (sp?) at Roughlydrafted.com
If you don’t read Roughlydrafted.com, who are you?
@skabeetle,
There will be new features in 10.6. They just won’t be of the same magnitude as Spotlight, Dashboard, Spaces, Time Machine, etc.
They could charge for it as normal. For those who do not think it offers any value, guess what? Don’t buy it!! The following version will offer nice bells and whistles, some based on the new foundations, which people will value, and they can upgrade then. Meanwhile, developers have the foundations of future releases to build on. If any of these apps make Snow Leopard desirable after all, then buy it!
Basically it’s simple. If you like it, at release or later, buy it. If not, then don’t.
Apple may entirely expect most users not to bother.
And they don’t want users getting free Leopard upgrades through the back door. Someone said offer discount to Leopard users, but that sounds like work and also hackable. Why bother?
Everything should be free! Everything! Profit should be outlawed! Hang all corporate dogs! Confiscate the wealth of the oligarchy and distribute the money to everyone else! Socialism forever! Long live Marx, Lenin, and Che!
‘Nuff said.
Nah. They should simply have a charge for every new advertised feature.
Peace.
YES, give it away. Or sell it for $49.99. This will show that MS Windows is a total joke!
“Should auto manufacturers charge extra for brakes, safety belts, and door locks?
Sometimes they charge more for good brakes. Sometimes they charge more for Airbags. Cusre you sneeky automakers!
Really, I think $39 – $69 is acceptable. I’d be a bit annoyed at $129.
@Ha, ha, ha
You Missed 2
China $1 to compete with pirates
Government $329,000
personally i’ve never payed for for an OS update because my company always pays for me, but i would happily pay $129 for snow leopard. If Apple is spending millions developing it, it seems more than reasonable to have to pay for it. Anyone asking for it for free just isn’t living in reality. The world is not open source and free.
Annoyed? Why annoyed? Because you want to have the benefits but don’t want to pay for it?
Then don’t buy it, be annoyed, and buy 10.7, when there ARE improvements you can justify to yourself!
Personally, I think that when they are finished, the improvements WILL be worth paying for – I like the idea of faster, smoother, more reliable code – which, by the way, ain’t cheap! And the improvements already mentioned, that are not being called new features, by the way, are already pretty good.
I’ll buy it.
Snow Leopard Home Kitty – $29.95
Snow Leopard Home Tom Cat – $29.95
Snow Leopard Professional Mama Cat – $29.95
Snow Leopard Professional Alley Cat – $29.95
BC
Do car companies charge less, or at all, when they revise one of their models? Apple Inc, like it or not is still in the business of making a profit. This means that they will probably offer Snow Leopard for some charge – afterall, after all the manhours and research that has gone into the product – why shouldn’t Apple get a return for it?
Let’s not be foolish here – Apple doesn’t exist for goodwill alone…
‘Free’ is never really free, in any case, and I expect Apple to charge for Snow Leopard within the range of $79. To me, that’s a fair deal, and I am quite happy to reward Apple for its efforts to give me a damn good OS.
“Should auto manufacturers charge extra for brakes, safety belts, and door locks?”
Actually, they do. And then they hit you for floor mats. I don’t think there is anything in the world more over priced than car dealer floor mats.
@Captain Pat
Isn’t that like the disposable shaver companies who make up the bulk of their profit on people constantly re-buying new razor blades?
It’s also the exactly same strategy Microsoft use for the Xbox (and Windows). Make people pay through the nose for the more basic OS or console, and ‘compel’ them to spend money on exorbitantly priced peripherals?
Sony, on the other hand, even on the basic PS3 model, include a wireless card and instant access to the PS Network, all without a single dime spent! (okay, apart from the console price, but still).
Apple give something away for free? Oh my god, I can’t stop laughing! Steve Snobs won’t ever do that.
“Should auto manufacturers charge extra for brakes, safety belts, and door locks?”
No, they should be part of the package.
If you get upgraded parts, you’d have to pay for them, and for the labor of upgrading.
The pathetic bitter PC fanboi static level seems to be increasing lately.
Please go back to your scroungy Vista to XP 10 year old technology downgrades please if you can’t contribute something positive.
Dear Leader already knows all of this. Just let him go non-think about it in the JobsPod. He’s probably reading all of this and laughing, figuring we’re going to keep ourselves occupied with this rumor, while keeping us off the trail of the juicy new hardware.
I do think Apple will encounter considerable resistance from their fan base if they charge $129 for an OS X upgrade that basically looks and feels exactly like Leopard. And it seems silly to abandon a source of upgrade dollars (PowerPC users) unless the cost of maintaining backward compatibility would be prohibitive. But it is doubtful that PowerPC users will be complaining much (if this turns out to be the case); and if they do: too bad. When you hold onto an old computer, you can’t expect it to be upgradable indefinitely. That’s just the facts of life.
“Should Apple just give away Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard?”
Yes Please.
MDN ask: “Should Apple just give away Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard?”
I answer: No. Apple is a publicly traded corporation and therefore has an obligation to its shareholders to make a profit.
So no, Snow Leopard won’t be free. But I personally would be pretty darned pissed off if it cost the usual upgrade price for a new version of the OS. Leopard itself (as of 10.5.4) remains remarkably buggy. AFAIAC, Snow Leopard is a massive bug fix as well as a way to introduce improved Mac technology. So keep it cheap Apple or the natives will get restless.
Size of the OS:
Apple are slimming down the entire memory footprint of Snow Leopard. People ask how this is possible. To me one answer is obvious. But for those who don’t yet comprehend:
Snow Leopard will drop all PowerPC support code. It’s Intel or nothing. (Or so I surmise).
Another answer has been in the air since Mac OS X was originally announced:
All the code in Snow Leopard will be Cocoa. No more bulky legacy Carbon code. Now of course, Apple have been claiming this was going to happen for years, and still there is Carbon code in Leopard. But this time, if only for the purpose of slimming down, I think they’re really going to finish the job.
Wow spewed: “Apple give something away for free? Oh my god, I can’t stop laughing! Steve Snobs won’t ever do that.”
Bought Mac OS X 10.0? Get 10.1 free.
QuickTime? Was always free.
iTunes? Was always free.
Stoopid ignorant anti-Mac troll excrement? Was always free.
Apple built itself the tools to compile/recompile code for both platforms. Every PowerPC Mac user knew that a day would come when their computer would no longer be able to use the latest OS. However, if a PowerPC Mac can run Leopard, why not let it run Snow Leopard? If the PowerPC is getting let go, let it go the best way possible – small, lightweight apps, no Cocoa. It’s the classy thing to do.
MDN uses “Rumor” and “Report” for some headlines. We need a term for idle discussion about what Apple “should” do. How about “Armchair CEO”?
To our resident Windroid, who obviously doesn’t care about being ritually humiliated every time it turns up…
Let’s for just one minute assume that you want to be able to actually use more than 16GB of RAM in your Barnumsoft Fister machine!
The most you can use in any of the pre-installed 32-bit versions is 4GB – you can install as much as you like, the OS just won’t bother trying to see it – so the first thing you have to do is get one of the 64-bit editions, which – with the sole exception of Ultimate Edition – requires filling in a form at Barnumsoft’s website.
Then you discover that, even if you have a 64-bit edition, that Home Premium can only address 34-bits (16GB). If you want anymore, you actually have to upgrade to Ultimate which will cost you $159.00.
So, in your world – where of course you’re not bothered with Microsoft’s business practices (convicted monopolist, conspires with partners to defraud consumers, charges consumers to install XP over the top of Vista OEM) – it’s alright if Microsoft charges you $159 just so you can use all of the resources of your system. And then you have to hope that all of your apps and drivers are 64-bit clean or your system is going to crash in a pile on the floor.
But, if Apple wants to charge $129 for giving people access to a clean truly 21st century OS capable of…
addressing 16TB of RAM
exploiting multiple cores each with multiple threads
exploiting the power of GPUs as an operating system level feature
… that’s a bad thing!
Let’s just recap: $159 just to use all of the RAM you’ve chosen to buy and install.
Or $129 to get clean, streamlined OS based on a single set of APIs as opposed to Windows which still clings to its 16-bitness because Barnumsoft don’t have the commercial courage to encourage corporate customers to upgrade or rewrite their applications.
And they don’t have the technical courage or wit to encapsulate the 16-bit environment in a virtual box so they can get rid of the 20th-century shit and move forward.
And the confidence trick doesn’t end on the desktop: want to use more than 32GB in your server?
You’ll be wanting the Enterprise edition of Windows Server 2008.
And that’ll be $3,000 for each server! Thank you for shopping with Barnumsoft, please call again.
Afib: What does it feel like to be an apologist for the most unethical, most overrated, most convicted, least imaginative, least capable software company on Earth?
Apple can’t give Snow Leopard away for free due to accounting rules and the IRS.
Why should Apple give Snow Leopard away free/less cost? Because this is Apple’s golden opportunity to remove legacy code from OS X and REALLY optimize it. The more people who pay for the upgrade and adopt, the better for Apple. Then Apple can stop supporting legacy PPC hardware sooner, which will save Apple in development costs.
However, to demand it for free is really silly. And comparing Snow Leopard to Windows XP SP2 is ridiculous.
And comparing Snow Leopard to Windows XP SP2 is ridiculous.
And yet, not as ridiculous as actually using Windows XP SP2.
There’s a line that says something about the definition of stupidity being the repetition of the same actions whilst expecting a different result.
And yet every time Barnumsoft releases a new warmed-over plate of cold puke promising that it tastes better than ever, people like Afib, Crash and the other coprophiles lap it up and beg for another helping.
I’m actually a believer in evolution as a universal truth, but some of these troglodytes actually make me wonder at times.
I’d pay $129 if I believed it to be a snappier and slimmer OS. Honestly I care more about underlying code, and I would guess that the average consumer does, but doesn’t know how to articulate it. If you could point to Snow Leopard and say “this update will keep your computer running faster for longer” (alluding to the phenomenon of buying a new snappy computer that just bogs down over time), I would think most people could grasp that.
Apple is good at explaining technology to non-technical people; let ’em do their thing and we’ll judge later.
p.s. MDN, get rid of the retarded pop-up ads. Safari instantly closes them for me, but the fact that you employ them makes me think less of you (I’ve been pretty critical of the childish, nameless MDN editors in the past, so take this advice for what it’s worth).
Hey, ha ha ha ha, you should go talk to Zune Thang, that way the two of you can make a full wit. He would be able to fill you in on what you are missing…that Apple is copying Vista’s sliding scale plan.
Remember those?
Too glued to the reruns of Captain Kirk ENTERPRISE Edition: At a price going where no Zune has gone before.
The Business Edition: Giving new meaning to FUD (Full Upfront Delivery)
The Home Basic Edition: For people who have four walls.
The Home Premium Edition: Allowing people to have four walls and two sets of windows.
The Ultimate: For people who can afford a computer system that will actually run Vista (first born children accepted as a down payment).
Which part of . . .
“I’m sure Apple is probably spending as much in developing 10.6 as they’d routinely invest in a standard feature upgrade”
didn’t you understand?
If it has value, Apple should be able to charge for it.
Those people who will only pay for “oooooo, shinny things” are already paying through the nose for Vista.
“If you don’t read Roughlydrafted.com, who are you?”
Somebody with a brain. RoughlyDrafted represents one fanboy’s view of the way he wishes the world was, weaving in things that happened in the actual real word to try to give is alternative interpretation of reality credibility.
“I like the idea of faster, smoother, more reliable code -“
It’s a pity Leopard is such slow, bumpy and unreliable code.
It’s a great business model on Apple’s part. Ship a broken OS and charge $129 to fix it.
And we all know that by the time Snow Job Leopard rolls around you will have all convinced yourself that 3 new screen savers are radical new features that justify spending $129.
“There’s a line that says something about the definition of stupidity being the repetition of the same actions whilst expecting a different result.”
Like perhaps a fanboy continually posting about how great Mac OS X is and how bad Windows is, while knowing that Microsoft will continue to control the market.
Even if you have to pay $159 extra for 64 Ultimate or Business (Which is only true if you buy it retail rather than get it bundled), you can actually buy a Windows desktop today and a desktop OS which will let you put 128GB of memory in it and buy use it.
The extra $50-100 you pay for the OS over the home version will seem insigficant compared to the cost of 128GB of memory.
Such a product from Apple is vapourware.
“Apple can’t give Snow Leopard away for free due to accounting rules and the IRS.”
Apple can give away anything they like when it’s a new product. There are some issues with adding features to existing software, but that too you can do for free to the customer if you account for it properly. When were you last charged for iTunes or Safari, or a Windows service pack which often adds significant new functionality?
@MCCFR spewed: “… Like perhaps a fanboy continually posting about how great Mac OS X is and how bad Windows is, while knowing that Microsoft will continue to control the market.”
Right.
So the phrase “Give me liberty or give me death!” has no meaning for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_liberty_or_give_me_death
So if you were living in Stalinist Soviet Union and the only party you could vote for was the party that made the biggest mass murderer in human history their leader, you’d just go along for the ride.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
So if you were living in Jonestown and Jim Jones hands you a cup of Kool Aid and you know there’s deadly poison in it, but hey everyone else in the tent is drinking it, you’d drink it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
You have fun there buddy with your Windows box.
Been there, done that since 1988, still do for clients, hated it, still hate it.
Even if you have to pay $159 extra for 64 Ultimate or Business (Which is only true if you buy it retail rather than get it bundled), you can actually buy a Windows desktop today and a desktop OS which will let you put 128GB of memory in it and buy use it.
And thank you for playing Windows Jeopardy!
If you go to the Dell site and configure a machine, but opt for Vista Ultimate rather than Vista Home Premium (maximum RAM, even under 64-bit, is 16GB), you get charged an extra $150.00, which is only $9 less than retail but at least someone has done the hard yards for you.
So you pay your $150, and now you’ve – hopefully – got your 64-bit media, because you’ve acquired a copy of Ultimate.
So like I wrote earlier: want to use more than 16GB of RAM. Pay $150.00. Which is still – no matter which way you cut it – a tax on being able to use your system the way you want. I find it strange that, when it suits your case, $150 is “insignificant” as a percentage of the cost of purchasing the RAM.
Surely, if $150 is insignificant to use more than 16GB, than $129 is even less significant to have the ability to use up to 16TB of memory or as a percentage of the cost of the Macintosh.
Or is there some strange logical or philosophical construct that I’m failing to understand.
“So the phrase “Give me liberty or give me death!” has no meaning for you.”
That”s really funny. Your “Liberty” consists of buying an overpriced PC from a single vendor of hardware. Mac users are the ones who need liberty.
And as for the personality cult and cool aid references, well you do know those are the textbook examples used to explain the Cult of Mac, not Windows?
Wow the windroid paid-for-by-MS trolls are out in force today.. the dramatic shift away from Vista by people in the know, developers, consumers, college students.. even businesses towards alternatives (primarily Macs) has to be sand in the jock shorts of you guys.
I hope Microsoft is paying you guys well.. or is it 1 person posting with 3 names? I notice you trolls aren’t even bothering to register.
Poorly
Snow Job Leopard
@MCCFR
@derekcurrie
SAME PERSON.
Paid Microsoft Astroturfer?
Or just a common No Life Troll?
You decide.
Poorly should read “Poorly Drafted”
“If you go to the Dell site and configure a machine, but opt for Vista Ultimate rather than Vista Home Premium (maximum RAM, even under 64-bit, is 16GB), you get charged an extra $150.00, which is only $9 less than retail but at least someone has done the hard yards for you.”
You’re a bit dated in your knowledge. Under SP1 Microsoft Vista Business and Vista Ultimate support 128GB RAM. Home Premium (the most common choice) supports 16GB. And depending on which Dell you configure the premium can be as low as $50 extra to get Vista Business.
“$129 is even less significant to have the ability to use up to 16TB of memory or as a percentage of the cost of the Macintosh.”
I’ll repeat it for you again. there are NO Macs which can use 16TB of memory. Still NO Macs which can use even 128GB of memory. There are precious few which can handle more than 4GB. Yet on the Windows and Linux side, desktop machines which can take 128GB or memory and an OS which can use it are shipping now. Exactly how is this OS upgrade going to work around your hardware limitations?
Face the facts. With available memory, the Windows world is there today where you claim this breakthrough OS X upgrade and as yet unreleased Apple hardware will take you tomorrow.
twilightmoon,
I confess, Microsoft pays me $850,000 annually to post here at MDN, I type my posts on a Dell, and I am currently running Vista with 8 GB of RAM.
Why register?
@ Ha ha ha,
No, I’m not!
I’ve always said that Vista Business and Vista Ultimate can support more than 16GB so long as you implement the 64-bit versions. I’ve also made it clear that unless you buy Ultimate, you don’t get the 64-bit version of the media unless you fill in a form on Barnumsoft’s website.
If I’m out of date, why does it say this very thing at Microsoft’s own website here and here.
Also, here’s a quote from Microsoft’s own page on SP1.
“SP1 doesn’t add features or require you to learn anything new—it simply makes your PC more reliable, run more smoothly, and even more enjoyable to use, all at no charge.” Wow, no charge – that’s big of them.
As for your $50 canard, the problem is that if I buy the $50 version of Vista Business that you mention, how do I get all the stuff that I might have wanted that isn’t in Business, but might be in either Home Premium or Ultimate? Why can’t I have BitLocker or the Media Center stuff on the Business version? Why can’t I have Fax and Scan on Home Premium?
On a Mac, there is one fully-featured version of the OS. It runs 32-bit and 64-bit programs side-by-side. It doesn’t need to be upgraded to run more memory or more processors. I don’t need to fill in a form to get the 64-bit media.
On Windows Vista, if I want to run more than 4GB of RAM I need a 64-bit edition. But if my applications or hardware/peripheral drivers are not available in a 64-bit form, I can’t run a 64-bit edition because Barnumsoft – which is too busy trying to become a web advertising powerhouse – can’t work out how to deliver 32-bit and 64-bit support side-by-side. So my upgrade might be only $50, but I might have to pay another couple of hundred to upgrade my apps and peripherals and, when all is said and done, I might not have all the functionality that I’d like.
As for your point about there being a lack of Mac workstations shipping with support for 128GB of RAM, my response is that – if one were simply copying HP – this is a simple engineering issue: inserting more slots on a motherboard is hardly rocket science, so one would hope that you and your kind aren’t leaning on something that thin for competitive leadership.
It probably hasn’t occurred to something as intellectually simple as the WinDroid collective that there may be more than one way to acquire the ability to address 16TB of memory (or even 1TB) that doesn’t necessarily require simply packing a single box with more RAM slots than you can shake a stick at.
Because, if you think that Apple would design an OS with 16TB support but not have an accompanying hardware strategy, you obviously haven’t been following the way the company thinks. Or maybe, you’re just a little scared and you’re whistling in the dark.
By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes!
“On a Mac, there is one fully-featured version of the OS”
How can it be fully featured when we just established it does a subset of what Windows Vista does?
“can’t work out how to deliver 32-bit and 64-bit support side-by-side. “
You can run 32 bit apps on 64 bit Windows (You can even run 16 bit Windows apps and DOS ones should you choose). Oh, and Unix apps. Sure you might need some new 64 bit kernel device drivers.
“Because, if you think that Apple would design an OS with 16TB support but not have an accompanying hardware strategy, you obviously haven’t been following the way the company thinks.”
Firstly that’s all future, hypothetical, not today. If you want 128GB of memory today in a desktop OS, you’re buying a Dell, HP or similar PC and running Windows or Linux on it.
Actually it’s very common for Apple to quote theoretical limits that don’t work in the real world. Who do you know who is storing 8 Exabyte files on 16 Exabyte HFS+ volumes, using allocation units which are 1GB in size? I don’t recall Apple introducing a disk array with 16 Exabyte capacity, can you point me to it? According to you, because of they way they think they must have done so shortly after releasing a 16 exabyte capable file system a decade ago.
Or is the way they think that they publish this big number which gets idiots like you who don’t know any better salivating and waiting for their 16TB desktop, knowing all the time that any OS/Hardware combination they ship next year will never support that configuration.
As previously noted, the ignorant trolls are out in force. The summer is here in the northern hemisphere, outside its sunny and cheerful. Trolls hate that.
As the saying goes, never argue with a crazy mind, aka a troll. Their entire point in posting is to state the stoopid in order to enrage others and make them suffer, aka sadomasochism.
So: “@derekcurrie”, you are insane. Why argue with you.
Now let’s move on to the merely misinformed:
@MCCFR (why do people use these dopey anonymous nicks? Who are you?) sez:
“You can run 32 bit apps on 64 bit Windows”.
This is slightly incorrect. You can run 32 bit apps on 64 bit Windows Vista. In spite of this minor error, this statement gets a big DING DING DING!!! from me because many people have been mislead by idiotic faux ‘technology journalists’ who thought there was no 32 bit capability in 64 bit Vista. So bravo ‘@MCCFR’! whoever you are.
Then anonymous sez: “(You can even run 16 bit Windows apps and DOS ones should you choose).”
Sorry, but this one gets the buzzer. BZZZZZZZZT!!! Wrong. Go do your homework. 16 bit anything is dead and gone forever in 64 bit Windows Vista.
“Oh, and Unix apps.”
BZZZZZZZZZZT!!! Wrong.
“Sure you might need some new 64 bit kernel device drivers.”
Yes indeed you will! Otherwise you’re totally hosed. The drivers issue is the big kick in the balls about 64 bit Vista. Even 32 bit drivers have been a kick in the balls about Vista. The big fat reason why is that driver developers are sick to death of being leached by Microsoft. Having to pay Microsoft over a thousand dollars, per driver, to have them ‘certified by Microsoft’ and not subject to the overbearing doom of security protocols in Vista, is utterly insane. Driver developers say screw Microsoft. I agree.
Now, to clarify when you actually could use 16 bit old legacy apps or Unix apps in 64 bit Vista, you’d need to do it in virtualization. So go get VMWare etc. and run an OS that is compatible with the apps of interest. I run Parallels virtualization in Mac OS X regularly so I can watch NetFlix movies over the Internet. (NetFlix was dumb enough to fall for Microsoft’s proprietary .WMV DRM-infected file format, making this contortion necessary). Oh, and I run Windows XP. Windows Vista is a DRM mine field. Vista is user-hostile. Or as a troll would put it: Vista sux.
fuck these PC cocksuckers.. it’s so nice to see that they have to spend their time on a website that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.. maybe it’s that being on a fucking PC is so fucking lame that you need to follow Mac people to think your cool… here’s one thing fuckers.. us mac people wouldn’t waste a nanosecond giving two shits about a operating system that sucks dick and a company that is ran by fucking clowns… face it.. macs destroy your lame-ass world you live in and jealousy of the unknown eats at you… noone can argue that a company that builds a OS to work on slop boxes are better than a OS that was made for the hardware it lives in…
the PC guys are mad because they will have to wait till 2011 for microshit to hack the code to rip it off and come out with something close to the OSX
dont you pricks have viruses to take care of and anti-virus software to attend to?
MCCFR,
“SP1 doesn’t add features or require you to learn anything new—it simply makes your PC more reliable, run more smoothly, and even more enjoyable to use, all at no charge.” Wow, no charge – that’s big of them.
SP1 = Sno’ Leopard, unless Apple charges for Sno’ Leopard, then it proves that Apple is providing similar product as Microsoft only at a vastly inflated price.
“Now, to clarify when you actually could use 16 bit old legacy apps or Unix apps in 64 bit Vista, you’d need to do it in virtualization”
True, But you can do it. Unix apps can also be compiled and run through SUA.
“come out with something close to the OSX”
XP is regarded as “Good enough” by most companies. They’re not going to Vista because they don’t see that the extra eye candy makes their people any more productive, and they already have good security on XP without taking advantage of Vista’s improvements in that area. Many businesses also felt the same about the Windows 2000 to XP transition and eventually only went to XP after it had some years in the marketplace.
“come out with something close to the OSX”
OS X is already close enough to XP that nobody except Mac fanboys care about the differences. These days it’s all about applications not the underlying OS.
Three words for you. “No New Features”. Apple has all but told you that Mac OS X is at the end of the road for desktop use.
And despite all it’s bad press, Vista is absolutely hammering Mac OS X in the marketplace.
Most Mac users like yourself already run a Microsoft operating system and Apple has made sure that you can switch to Windows easily if OS X were ever dropped.
OS X is being re-purposed for devices like iPhone and iPod Touch. Apple knows where it’s future is and is focusing it’s resources there.
Whatever it is, when 10.6 comes out, I am not installing it for at least 8 months. I was one of those idiots who went to get Leopard on launch day, and installed it immediately, only to have a few weeks of pain, particularly the first night when I spent a few hours trying to get through to Apple Help Desk, with the prospect of losing a decade’s worth of data. Now, you’d have to PAY ME to install a new Apple OS before at least its .3 or .4 update, as Leopard is now. Once bitten twice shy. All you guys have a great time installing 10.6.0, 10.6.1 and 10.6.2 — tell me about it.
Point #1 of 2:
Anonymous, aka ‘@MCCFR’, sez:
“OS X is already close enough to XP that nobody except Mac fanboys care about the differences. These days it’s all about applications not the underlying OS.”
Only on Windows. That’s because Windows users are used to the stagnation in the GUI thanks to Microsoft’s lack of interest in user-friendliness. In fact I would go so far as to say many Windows users (including me) avoid having to interact with the OS as it is such a PITA. Vista is extraordinary, even for Microsoft, in that it is actually HARDER to configure than XP. And my clients have to pay for ALL my time working on their machines. That means Vista makes me more money. But being a rabid futurist, it makes me ill when I see things go backwards in quality. Thus I complain, despite my gain, in money that is.
“Three words for you. “No New Features”. Apple has all but told you that Mac OS X is at the end of the road for desktop use.”
No stoopid. You can go over to Apple’s site right this moment and read through several NEW FEATURES in Snow Leopard. What has your balls crossed is the fact that the main point of Snow Leopard is NOT in the GUI, but under the hood. See if you can get this clue:
Windows Vista actually runs SLOWER than Windows XP on the same computer. Meanwhile, Mac OS X Leopard runs FASTER than Mac OS X Tiger on the same computer. Apple like that. All of we the ‘fanboys’ like that too. Now with Snow Leopard Apple are going to take OUT a lot of unnecessary code that is not used on Intel Macs. That makes the OS storage footprint smaller. Apple are also optimizing the remaining code so it runs FASTER on Intel Macs. Apple are also adding new APIs to allow more programming features for developers to use in Snow Leopard. They are also placing in foundation code to allow new API features to be added in the NEXT version of Mac OS X AFTER Snow Leopard.
So you think Mac OS X is coming to the end of some road you imagine in your vacuous head? Nope. BZZZZZZZZZZT!
And what computer platform is GAINING market share right now and has been for the last two and a half years plus? Macintosh. And what computer platform has been LOSING market share to Macintosh? The Windows PC.
And Apple utilizing Mac OS X as an operating system on other computerized devices has what impact on the rising future of the Mac? None! Non sequitur! That does not compute buddy. Apparently it is beyond your comprehension that a full computer OS could be successfully ported over to a hand-held computer for other purposes. You’re thinking about Windows versus WinCE (and its descendents) on hand-helds aren’t you. This isn’t Windows. Mac OS X doesn’t suck when you move it to a hand-held and change its name to simply OS X. Changing the name of an OS does not equate to abandoning the original hardware it was designed for.
— I’m wasting my time with this guy, aren’t I. Yawn.
Point #2 of 2:
OK. Peetz sez:
“… you’d have to PAY ME to install a new Apple OS before at least its .3 or .4 update, as Leopard is now. Once bitten twice shy. All you guys have a great time installing 10.6.0, 10.6.1 and 10.6.2 — tell me about it.”
I’m with you!
The Leopard transition is at least going better than the Tiger transition, thankfully. Even Tiger 10.4.11 STILL has some annoying little bugs in it. With Leopard we’re up to version 10.5.4 and some BIG annoying bugs still remain, but the OS is only about 9 months old. I’m running Leopard because I am learning the new features in Leopard Server. Otherwise I do most of my work in 10.4.11 on a different partition of my boot drive.
The fact is that operating systems have become absolutely MASSIVE, as in EXPONENTIALLY GROWING with time. It is impossible for any one person to comprehend an entire operating system any longer. I’m talking about a USER. Now consider what it is like for the developers of the OS. We know perfectly well that one big reason Vista sucks so bad is that it is the product of a bunch of disconnected committees over at MS. Sad to say this phenomenon DOES happen with Mac OS X as well. My favorite example is the legacy 32 character file naming code from way back in Mac OS 7 (circa 1991) that Apple stoopidly ported forward into Mac OS X all the way through to 10.2 Jaguar. OMG what a pain it was to try to rename files on a Mac OS X Server machine from across the network. You were forced to use 32 character names despite the fact that the Mac OS was SUPPOSED to allow 256 character names since Mac OS 8, circa 1997! Someone should be shot for that.
So yes, Apple make major blunders too, just not nearly as badly, as often or as consistently as Microsoft.
One thing Snow Leopard is designed to do is REDUCE the amount of complexity in Mac OS X in order to improve its usability in the future. Would Microsoft consider doing this? Yes! DUH! They have claimed they were going to do it a number of times! They said they were going to do it in 1996 with the successor to Windows 95! Did it happen? NO. Then there was the transition from DOS as the basis of Windows to the NT base code for consumer Windows. Was that successful? Only sort of. DOS live on under the hood folks, and I don’t mean as an accessory. It runs, for example, the still lame-as-hell memory management in ALL versions of Windows to this very day. (Go do your homework if you disagree). Then MS were supposed to rewrite Windows ‘from the ground up’ in Vista. That slipped a number of years, but Vista finally arrived. So did MS actually clean up Windows? FRICKIN’ NO! That is exactly the reason why Vista is so incredibly slow, particularly on ‘older’ hardware, as in hardware sold the very day Vista was released.
This is called ‘Shoddy Software Development’ and Microsoft are the masters. Smile! You know I’m right.
Apple’s Snow Leopard, on the other hand, focuses specifically on getting the OS cleaned out, sped up and modernized.
When you buy a car, do you buy it for looks? Some goofy people do. Have fun! Or do you look under the hood and check out the engine? Do you look at the horse power in the engine specs? Do you check out its speed and mileage capabilities? YES! I sure do! So do I want Snow Leopard? DAMNED RIGHT! But as Peets sez, I’ll wait a few revisions down the line until the bugs in the initial release are ironed out.
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I am pretty sure that Apple will NOT charge $129 for this upgrade. There are 2 reasons for this belief:
1) The name Snow Leopard. This relates it too much to Leopard, as opposed to marking it as a completely new OS.
2) “No new features”. Remember, Steve Jobs was the one who said this, when in fact it is not true. There are few user visible features (not 0. Exchange support?) and many other features which are available to developers. However, Apple is deliberately downplaying expectations for this OS upgrade. They cannot downplay expectations and then expect to charge the same amount. Snow Leopard will be cheaper than Leopard for sure, and might even be free (i.e. Leopard for the Intel folks).